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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Askold on March 28, 2013, 01:06:30 am
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http://americablog.com/2013/03/violent-protest-paris-gay-marriage.html
“On met les enfants devant! On met les enfants devant!” TRANSLATION: “Put the kids in front! Put the kids in front!” a father yells to other protesters, as he approaches the police line with his three year old child perilously perched on his shoulders in order to challenge the police who had just used tear gas and batons to push back the protesters who had just attacked them.
Wait what!?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/maxwell_smart__confused.gif)
And these are the people who claim to be doing this for the sake of their children and family values. I'm not suprised to hear that it was the protesters who have been the first to throw a punch in these protests.
"Sure I love my kids, I often hide behind them and use their bodies to soak up bullets." -Said by no loving parent ever.
Jumalauta. Don't they see how crazy this is? Don't they see how this is not only wrong but also conflicts with their message?
So far I've only seen one person support this act. And that was on the basis that "cops are evil and anything that is done against them is ok." Which is a whole other issue I hate.
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Wow, I wonder what the kids thought of that. And why is it that the groups who claim to be the most "pro-family" are always the worst to children? I recall another story about a woman who was a prominent member of an anti-gay hate group who was discovered to have made lesbian sex tapes with her underage daughter. "The brighter the image, the darker the negative" indeed.
Also, just as a side note, what does "Jumalauta" mean? ???
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Goddamn, I think.
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Wow, I wonder what the kids thought of that. And why is it that the groups who claim to be the most "pro-family" are always the worst to children? I recall another story about a woman who was a prominent member of an anti-gay hate group who was discovered to have made lesbian sex tapes with her underage daughter. "The brighter the image, the darker the negative" indeed.
Also, just as a side note, what does "Jumalauta" mean? ???
Probably a dude's name.
Ironbite-also...THE HOLY FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!?
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Also, just as a side note, what does "Jumalauta" mean? ???
It's just a swear. Kinda like goddammit except this one literally means "help me God."
Hmm... After reading a bit more about the protests it is possible that the most violent protestors aren't so much concerned about gay marriage as they are about using the unrest to protest against the president.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/24/wrd-france-same-sex-marriage-law-protests-paris.html
And for some reason all the articles about the kids being used as shields link to the original one I posted. I'd like to see some other sources verify this by themselves.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/25/1768751/french-anti-equality-protesters-challenge-police-barricades-using-children-as-shields/
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Attention protestors: This is not Dwarf Fortress. STOP.
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Fuck you, you fucking fucks!
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I'm going to use insane troll logic in tying this in with pro-life, but they are only pro-life so they have more human shields to use in cases like these.
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Protestor: Yes, we are very much family values. In that I value my son as the best sort of shield against police attacks!
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Attention protestors: This is not Dwarf Fortress. STOP.
I shouldn't have, but I laughed.
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Told my sister about this. She was amazed at the irony of the French not only fighting, but being anti-gay.
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Attention protestors: This is not Dwarf Fortress. STOP.
I shouldn't have, but I laughed.
Good, because I did too.
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Told my sister about this. She was amazed at the irony of the French not only fighting, but being anti-gay.
Yeah, what's next? Are they going to renounce baguettes, wine, striped shirts, berets and Jerry Lewis movies?
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I hope this is a small minority of French folks because I always envisioned them as rather progressive, artsy kind of people. My mind is blown!
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I hope this is a small minority of French folks because I always envisioned them as rather progressive, artsy kind of people. My mind is blown!
According to surveys, 60% of the French support gay marriage and I doubt that all of the remaining 40% are as strongly against it as these protestors.
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Yeah, this reeks of an anti-Hollande movement, a la American Tea Party = Anti-Obama-even-if-he-does-something-good-he's-bad-goddammit!
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Holy mother of fuck.
At least it looked like the other protesters were trying to protect the kid.
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You know, I use my kids for my own selfish purposes all the time. If I want to get out of, say, a family event I can say I'd love to but one of the kids is sick. Or I'll pinch a baby when waiting for the car to get fixed or something. I've used them to get the local power company over to fix my furnace. But there has to be a line between piddly crap and dumbfuckery.
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I recall reading about pro-lifers who'll tote their brats to abortion protests outside of clinics to basically use as props. I think the French are just taking this a step further and...it frightens me, honestly.
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Told my sister about this. She was amazed at the irony of the French not only fighting, but being anti-gay.
Yeah, its not like they had any forces fighting against (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_French_Forces) the Nazis during WW2. And they certainly didn't have anyone fighting against the Nazis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance) in occupied France.
They all just curled up and accepted it, yeh.
::)
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Look anypony could ignore the French Resistance. Most American history classes not only gloss over them, they out right ignore them.
Ironbite-it's just something we have to correct without being an ass about it.
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Told my sister about this. She was amazed at the irony of the French not only fighting, but being anti-gay.
Yeah, its not like they had any forces fighting against (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_French_Forces) the Nazis during WW2. And they certainly didn't have anyone fighting against the Nazis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance) in occupied France.
They all just curled up and accepted it, yeh.
::)
They certainly didn't repeatedly beat the shit out the Germans the first time, either.
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Your senses of humor appear to have fallen off.
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France is a terrible country to accuse of surrendering all the time. Pick a country where your insults actually make sense.
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France is a terrible country to accuse of surrendering all the time. Pick a country where your insults actually make sense.
MY insults?
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Sorry, that was unfair.
France is a terrible country to accuse of surrendering all the time. Pick a country where the Neoconservative dogma that you spouted actually makes sense.
Much better.
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Sorry, that was unfair.
France is a terrible country to accuse of surrendering all the time. Pick a country where the Neoconservative dogma that you spouted actually makes sense.
Much better.
Are you intentionally flamebaiting?
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Fred, I didn't even read chitoryu's sister's comment as being in regard to WW II, but her being aghast that any French people would be so ignorant as to not only be fighting against gay rights, but even being upset about it at all in the first place. It is a nation with a great history of breeding some of the best philosophers of modern era, after all.
If indeed she was making an offhand, ill-informed joke about the war, well, that is her problem, and she should consider correcting it be reading up on history. But, she is not a member of this forum. So, nu? Chillax, 'k?
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Even those who understand the history can still make a cheese-eating surrender monkeys joke. Just because you tell a joke doesn't mean that you believe the punchline is literally true.
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France is a terrible country to accuse of surrendering all the time. Pick a country where your insults actually make sense.
I did pick another but then France surrendered to it.
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Wait. What the fuck? You don't mean this metaphorically? They're literally using kids as human shields? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!
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That poor child was probably scared shitless.
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France is a terrible country to accuse of surrendering all the time. Pick a country where your insults actually make sense.
I did pick another but then France surrendered to it.
Exactly.
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As a french person, I have to say that this movement is viewed with a lot of contempt by quite a large proportion of the population. They've been mocked as being "the first morons in french history to march in order to keep people from having rights".
Unfortunately, they are LOUD idiots, so... yeah.
And this is indeed a new low if it's more than a single dumb-as-a-rock father (I'd love to give him a taste of his own medecine... quel enfoiré!).
As for the joke about surrendering cheese eating monkeys... :evil grin: Yeah, keep joking, 'Murica. It's not like we even need to prove you wrong. Don't worry, we won't mention your "war of independance" in public.
Edit : But yeah, violent protests in France are dime a dozen. Tear gaz on the news is a common enough sight. It's just the very first protest in (litteraly) decades where the religious right is in the street!
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Thank you LeTipex!
It is completely out of character, so to say, to see any French people acting ignorant and being loud, thick headed fundies.
And, thank you to your forefathers for helping a very young and vulnerable US continue to exist. And thank you to your grand fathers - all 1.3 million of them - who fought from within ally armies to win WW II.
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It is completely out of character, so to say, to see any French people acting ignorant and being loud, thick headed fundies.
How about how they banned the Burqua? Most Muslim communities don't treat it as mandatory, you idiots.
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Good point, but burquas are not required by the Quran. They are a traditional way to treat women as property.
Now, banning the hijab (not the face veil type) is oppressive, as it would be equivalent to banning yarmulkes.
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Good point, but burquas are not required by the Quran. They are a traditional way to treat women as property.
Now, banning the hijab (not the face veil type) is oppressive, as it would be equivalent to banning yarmulkes.
Some women choose to wear burqas. Hijab is a general modesty requirement that applies to men too. With women, there are varying degrees of hijab - the typical headscarves, burqas, niqabs, etc.
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Look anypony could ignore the French Resistance. Most American history classes not only gloss over them, they out right ignore them.
Ironbite-it's just something we have to correct without being an ass about it.
Anypony?
Well, welcome to the herd, Ironbite!
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Look anypony could ignore the French Resistance. Most American history classes not only gloss over them, they out right ignore them.
Ironbite-it's just something we have to correct without being an ass about it.
Anypony?
Well, welcome to the herd, Ironbite!
Oh sweet jesus it's spreading...
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He's been saying that for a while now.
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Ever notice who I say it to?
Ironbite-I haven't been assimilated yet...TRANSFORMERS!
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I spotted this link (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/03/26/children-elderly-gassed-as-1-4-million-march-in-paris-against-gay-marriage-57953) on Facebook telling a different story.
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I spotted this link (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/03/26/children-elderly-gassed-as-1-4-million-march-in-paris-against-gay-marriage-57953) on Facebook telling a different story.
Judging by the titles of their other articles, this site seems to be about as trustworthy as Fox News and CNN.
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As a french person, I have to say that this movement is viewed with a lot of contempt by quite a large proportion of the population. They've been mocked as being "the first morons in french history to march in order to keep people from having rights".
Unfortunately, they are LOUD idiots, so... yeah.
And this is indeed a new low if it's more than a single dumb-as-a-rock father (I'd love to give him a taste of his own medecine... quel enfoiré!).
As for the joke about surrendering cheese eating monkeys... :evil grin: Yeah, keep joking, 'Murica. It's not like we even need to prove you wrong. Don't worry, we won't mention your "war of independance" in public.
Edit : But yeah, violent protests in France are dime a dozen. Tear gaz on the news is a common enough sight. It's just the very first protest in (litteraly) decades where the religious right is in the street!
I always found all that Francophobic "Cheese-eating surrender monkey" crap irritating as hell. The French don't bother me one bit. They helped my country achieve independence, for crying out loud!
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I tease the French sometimes as the whole surrender a lot thing, but I recognize they are a proud country with a long history when I'm being serious. Though I think I respected them more after taking the big blue blob to space in EU3.
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As a french person, I have to say that this movement is viewed with a lot of contempt by quite a large proportion of the population. They've been mocked as being "the first morons in french history to march in order to keep people from having rights".
Unfortunately, they are LOUD idiots, so... yeah.
And this is indeed a new low if it's more than a single dumb-as-a-rock father (I'd love to give him a taste of his own medecine... quel enfoiré!).
As for the joke about surrendering cheese eating monkeys... :evil grin: Yeah, keep joking, 'Murica. It's not like we even need to prove you wrong. Don't worry, we won't mention your "war of independance" in public.
Edit : But yeah, violent protests in France are dime a dozen. Tear gaz on the news is a common enough sight. It's just the very first protest in (litteraly) decades where the religious right is in the street!
I always found all that Francophobic "Cheese-eating surrender monkey" crap irritating as hell. The French don't bother me one bit. They helped my country achieve independence, for crying out loud!
My country helped the French fight the English. Says a lot about them that they still remember honour the Scots who fight for them.
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I tease the French sometimes as the whole surrender a lot thing, but I recognize they are a proud country with a long history when I'm being serious. Though I think I respected them more after taking the big blue blob to space in EU3.
It's just too much fun to get them riled up over it.
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The French surrendered once. They (as a nation, regimes have changed) did get beaten up in other wars in history but they have spent much time kicking ass and spilling blood. If anything I would assume that they would have gotten a stereotype of being uncontrollable bloodthirsty warriors, with a distinct lack of concern for the lives of their own troops.
I mean, Agincourt? Grecy? Their uniforms in WW1? They were killing their own troops out of arrogance or sheer stupidity but no signs of cowardice to be seen. (If only they had been able to control their knights and their temper.) And Napoleon did a good show of kicking ass as wel, too bad that age and all the accumulated illnesses took out his best edge.
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The French surrendered once. They (as a nation, regimes have changed) did get beaten up in other wars in history but they have spent much time kicking ass and spilling blood. If anything I would assume that they would have gotten a stereotype of being uncontrollable bloodthirsty warriors, with a distinct lack of concern for the lives of their own troops.
I mean, Agincourt? Grecy? Their uniforms in WW1? They were killing their own troops out of arrogance or sheer stupidity but no signs of cowardice to be seen. (If only they had been able to control their knights and their temper.) And Napoleon did a good show of kicking ass as wel, too bad that age and all the accumulated illnesses took out his best edge.
Yeah, but WWII is the one that's freshest (relatively speaking) in people's minds. Also they got their butt kicked in Vietnam.
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I tease the French sometimes as the whole surrender a lot thing, but I recognize they are a proud country with a long history when I'm being serious. Though I think I respected them more after taking the big blue blob to space in EU3.
It's just too much fun to get them riled up over it.
Pretty much this.
Guys, it's a joke. Not even really an offensive joke, since most people telling it (especially here) know the truth pretty well. I find it ironic that people who have gotten upset about it in this thread have no problems insulting OTHER countries, especially the United States. I know, you'll respond with "But the US really is like that, so it's okay!" Doesn't mean that an American would have any less right to get irritated by it.
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The French surrendered once. They (as a nation, regimes have changed) did get beaten up in other wars in history but they have spent much time kicking ass and spilling blood. If anything I would assume that they would have gotten a stereotype of being uncontrollable bloodthirsty warriors, with a distinct lack of concern for the lives of their own troops.
I mean, Agincourt? Grecy? Their uniforms in WW1? They were killing their own troops out of arrogance or sheer stupidity but no signs of cowardice to be seen. (If only they had been able to control their knights and their temper.) And Napoleon did a good show of kicking ass as wel, too bad that age and all the accumulated illnesses took out his best edge.
Yeah, but WWII is the one that's freshest (relatively speaking) in people's minds. Also they got their butt kicked in Vietnam.
You know, I wouldn't mention Vietnam (or Indochine as the French called it). They weren't the only country to lose there.
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The French surrendered once. They (as a nation, regimes have changed) did get beaten up in other wars in history but they have spent much time kicking ass and spilling blood. If anything I would assume that they would have gotten a stereotype of being uncontrollable bloodthirsty warriors, with a distinct lack of concern for the lives of their own troops.
I mean, Agincourt? Grecy? Their uniforms in WW1? They were killing their own troops out of arrogance or sheer stupidity but no signs of cowardice to be seen. (If only they had been able to control their knights and their temper.) And Napoleon did a good show of kicking ass as wel, too bad that age and all the accumulated illnesses took out his best edge.
Crecy is the French using what was the perceived logic of the time that Heavy Cavalry could defeat anything, despite the lesson learned at Bannockburn 30 years earlier. In WWI they were (at first) wearing the same style of uniforms they had used in their wars in the 19th century. When it came back the uniforms were causing more casualties, they changed to something more practical.
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The French surrendered once. They (as a nation, regimes have changed) did get beaten up in other wars in history but they have spent much time kicking ass and spilling blood. If anything I would assume that they would have gotten a stereotype of being uncontrollable bloodthirsty warriors, with a distinct lack of concern for the lives of their own troops.
I mean, Agincourt? Grecy? Their uniforms in WW1? They were killing their own troops out of arrogance or sheer stupidity but no signs of cowardice to be seen. (If only they had been able to control their knights and their temper.) And Napoleon did a good show of kicking ass as wel, too bad that age and all the accumulated illnesses took out his best edge.
Yeah, but WWII is the one that's freshest (relatively speaking) in people's minds. Also they got their butt kicked in Vietnam.
You know, I wouldn't mention Vietnam (or Indochine as the French called it). They weren't the only country to lose there.
I'm Canadian, and whatever Ann Coulter would have you believe, we weren't in Vietnam. Some guys south of the border got their asses whupped, but whatever.
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The French surrendered once. They (as a nation, regimes have changed) did get beaten up in other wars in history but they have spent much time kicking ass and spilling blood. If anything I would assume that they would have gotten a stereotype of being uncontrollable bloodthirsty warriors, with a distinct lack of concern for the lives of their own troops.
I mean, Agincourt? Grecy? Their uniforms in WW1? They were killing their own troops out of arrogance or sheer stupidity but no signs of cowardice to be seen. (If only they had been able to control their knights and their temper.) And Napoleon did a good show of kicking ass as wel, too bad that age and all the accumulated illnesses took out his best edge.
Yeah, but WWII is the one that's freshest (relatively speaking) in people's minds. Also they got their butt kicked in Vietnam.
You know, I wouldn't mention Vietnam (or Indochine as the French called it). They weren't the only country to lose there.
I'm Canadian, and whatever Ann Coulter would have you believe, we weren't in Vietnam. Some guys south of the border got their asses whupped, but whatever.
Totally whupped to be precise, despite what Hollywood thinks.