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Enemy Expatriation Act
« on: January 07, 2012, 09:42:22 pm »
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/new-bill-known-as-enemy-expatriation-act-would-allow-government-to-strip-citizenship-without-conviction/

Admittedly, I'm not sure about the reliability of the source. According to it, this bill was proposed by Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA). It would grant the nation power to strip citizenship of anyone in the US without a conviction of being "hostile" according to the article. I heard there was mention of due process in the comments, but it isn't by the same standards of criminal trial. It is by "preponderance of the evidence."

Now, if this isn't a reliable source, I apologize now. But if not, let's all think about this in combination with the NDAA.


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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 09:45:47 pm »
Might as well move to Canada if we're not allowed to be American citizens in the first place.

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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 09:56:38 pm »
I see we have another reason to hate Lieberman

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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 10:11:55 pm »
^You act like we need a reason in the first place. He's definitely provided no lack of reasons.

That said, I'm more than a little alarmed with this POS bill. Citizenship revocation, if it must be implemented, must require far more than "preponderance."


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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 10:22:35 pm »
The great thing is if they do it, it's not like they did anything to a citizen. Of any country!
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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 10:30:18 pm »
Obama said he would never use NDAA on an American citizen and then this comes along. Way to fucking lawyer civil liberties.

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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 10:36:42 pm »
Because this really worries me I looked it up to see what else there is on it. From what I can tell it has been introduced, but has not passed the house or the senate. (link) Full text of the short thing can also be found here. This was also proposed back in October, long before Obama talked about not applying NDAA to American citizens.
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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 11:29:38 pm »
Thanks, Oriet. It's definitely a cause for concern.


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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 11:34:25 pm »
Well, there goes Obama's attempts to choose the lesser of two evils.

Instead we get the lesser of two evils, and now another evil approaches that, when combined, make it back to the greater evil again.
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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 09:58:48 am »
If you get stripped of your citizenship, what happens?  Are you deported and if so, to where?
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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2012, 10:56:17 am »
If you get stripped of your citizenship, what happens?  Are you deported and if so, to where?
I would guess to either Guantanamo or the country they were assisting (or from where whichever group was assisted resides).
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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2012, 10:59:43 am »
I'd suspect Guantanamo or some other form of military holding. Probably the government would only revoke citizenship for someone suspected of terrorism, or ties to terrorists. In which case all that bullshit holding people without charge(s), holding them incommunicado, etc can kick in.

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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 11:52:53 am »
Then if it gets passed hopefully the Supreme Court will strike it down.

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Re: Enemy Expatriation Act
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2012, 02:40:29 pm »
How would the Supreme Court ever see it? I'm genuinely asking, not trying to be sarcastic. If John Doe is arrested and sent to Guantanomo(sp?), as a non-citizen, with no right to trial, to an attorney, to anything, he'll never appear in a court, there will be no appeals, nothing. Doesn't there have to be a trial before it can be appealed to a higher court?