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Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« on: January 15, 2012, 02:46:23 am »
Four Marine snipers were videotaped urinating on the corpses of Taliban members in yet another PR nightmare for the U.S. (Don't worry, there's no actual video in the link and everything is censored.) The four are pretty much guilty of not only monumental stupidity (seriously, having it filmed and putting it online?!) but also breaching the laws of armed conflict which prohibit "defiling, desecrating, mocking, photographing or filming for personal use insurgent dead." Oops.

As disrespectful and disgusting as this was, however, Hamilton Nolan of gawker.com puts everything in the proper perspective.

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 03:08:27 am »
Gotta go with what Mr. Nolan said.

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 04:58:59 am »
Well a corpse is essentially just an inanimate object, and as such I don't have any ethical/moral issues with this. It is, however, monumentally stupid since these people are essentially representing America over there and since the locals largely don't share my views on the (lack of) importance of dead bodies. In any occupation, endearing yourself and by extension your country to the locals is just as, if not more important than fighting insurgents.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 06:11:20 am »
Yeah, when I first heard about this I couldn't help by slam my head against a wall.  THESE are the people the insurgents will remember.  Not the soldier that kicked around a ball with some of the local children.  Just another way the idiots in our country just give these people more ammo.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 08:40:42 am »
Well a corpse is essentially just an inanimate object, and as such I don't have any ethical/moral issues with this.

Dude.  A corpse is not the same thing as a brick.  You do not disrespect the dead.  Even if they were your enemies in life, once they die, they are what YOU will eventually become.  To defile a corpse is to doubly defile yourself.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 10:42:15 am »
Dude.  A corpse is not the same thing as a brick.  You do not disrespect the dead.  Even if they were your enemies in life, once they die, they are what YOU will eventually become.  To defile a corpse is to doubly defile yourself.

A corpse is just dead meat. There is nothing clean or respectful about a corpse; they twitch, burp, fart, shit, sit up, slough off their skin, and otherwise embarrass themselves perfectly well on their own. Whatever there was of the person within dissipated with the cessation of brain activity; respect for the memory of the dead is one thing, but the corpse itself is insensate.

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 10:48:45 am »
Dude.  A corpse is not the same thing as a brick.  You do not disrespect the dead.  Even if they were your enemies in life, once they die, they are what YOU will eventually become.  To defile a corpse is to doubly defile yourself.

A corpse is just dead meat. There is nothing clean or respectful about a corpse; they twitch, burp, fart, shit, sit up, slough off their skin, and otherwise embarrass themselves perfectly well on their own. Whatever there was of the person within dissipated with the cessation of brain activity; respect for the memory of the dead is one thing, but the corpse itself is insensate.

I must politely disagree with you.  How we treat our dead is a reflection of who we are as a society. How we treat the "enemy" dead even more so. What they did was extremely taboo in the society they are currently in. It reflects badly on the United States as a whole. Even if it didn't reflect badly on us politically it was still insensitive and down right inhumane in the eyes of the people of the region.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 11:20:18 am »
I'm pretty sure that if the snipers viewed the corpse as a pile of meat, they wouldn't have urinated upon it. Even if you believe that it's just an inanimate object at that point, it's pretty clear the soldiers in question intended to insult the deceased (and possibly their family and friends).

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 01:34:52 pm »
How dare you disrespect our troops! These are all necessary strategic maneuvers and sacrifices needed to keep our country safe from Islamists! You don't want the Islamists to take over, do you? /freeper
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 02:18:48 pm »
Pissing on the corpse doesn't cause much direct damage, but it's a powerful symbolic gesture (much like, say, burning a few copies of a book in the post-printing press era). And people being what they are (that is, stupid), they can attribute more meaning to (and be more outraged about) pissing on the corpse than turning a person into the corpse.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 02:21:17 pm »
Well a corpse is essentially just an inanimate object, and as such I don't have any ethical/moral issues with this.

Dude.  A corpse is not the same thing as a brick.  You do not disrespect the dead.  Even if they were your enemies in life, once they die, they are what YOU will eventually become.  To defile a corpse is to doubly defile yourself.

If you want to actually prove otherwise (with actual logic and/or evidence), I'm all ears.

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 02:30:24 pm »
Well a corpse is essentially just an inanimate object, and as such I don't have any ethical/moral issues with this.

Dude.  A corpse is not the same thing as a brick.  You do not disrespect the dead.  Even if they were your enemies in life, once they die, they are what YOU will eventually become.  To defile a corpse is to doubly defile yourself.

If you want to actually prove otherwise (with actual logic and/or evidence), I'm all ears.

This is a brick:

This is a corpse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaver (linked to err on the side of caution)

The first is a brick. It has been a brick from the moment of its creation. It is nothing more than a building block.

The second was, at one point in time, a living, breathing human being. When it was alive it had friends and family that loved it. When it died it was mourned by those it left behind. Social species that we are, no one dies truly alone. There will always be one other human being who noticed their passing. Who now misses them.

When you piss on a corpse you are symbolically saying "Your loved one is unworthy of respect. This person that you cared about is now no more than my latrine."

And the L was correct. You might never be a brick (some freaky cremation aside) but we will all one day be a corpse. To disrespect your fellow man in such a manner is to disrespect yourself.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 02:50:36 pm »
Throw the book at them. Preferably the hardcover large print version.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 03:36:39 pm »
Question: has there been any known incidents of Taliban doing the same or similar to American corpse?
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 04:33:28 pm »
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