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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2012, 04:44:19 am »
Meh, it lacks class, but its hardly the worst atrocity we should be worried about. While I'm not actually that worried about the sensibilities of terrorists, I believe the Golden Rule should always apply to combatants... i.e. don't do stuff to their guys you wouldn't like to see done to ours. Therefore, no torture, cruel or inhumane treatment, or corpse desecration, unless you are happy to see it done to your own guys when they are casualties or PWs.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2012, 09:38:21 am »
Meh, it lacks class, but its hardly the worst atrocity we should be worried about. While I'm not actually that worried about the sensibilities of terrorists, I believe the Golden Rule should always apply to combatants... i.e. don't do stuff to their guys you wouldn't like to see done to ours. Therefore, no torture, cruel or inhumane treatment, or corpse desecration, unless you are happy to see it done to your own guys when they are casualties or PWs.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2012, 04:44:19 pm »
Just reading an article in my local newspaper stating that we shouldn't be bashing these Marines since the bodies were of 'mass murdering terrorists', and that Obama should be ashamed for not supporting these troops. It was the Left-wing Media that was blowing this out of proportion (Like they did with Abu-dahb prison)  This newspaper also stated that Obama was horrible for cutting spending .....to the Defense budget.


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This is basically an editorial by our country wide 'true voice of the people' newspaper chain.   I'd actually read it more if they were actually civil, like the National Post.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2012, 05:03:09 pm »
Do they have a website by any chance? I'd love to read this article.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2012, 05:16:22 pm »
I realize I'm probably not going to garner much love when I say this, but I actually did support the war in Afghanistan. Why? It's quite simple: Osama killed my countrymen and I wanted that fucker dead. Naturally, the only source of information we were given (the idiots in GWB's cabinet) told us he was there, and I wanted revenge, so I supported it. Even when Bush started severely fucking up the search for bin Laden, I was hoping that at least the soldiers, who were more competent than their Commander in Chief, would find him even by accident. Well, 10 years after the fact, he's dead. I'm satisfied, and I'd like to see the troops pull out as soon as doing so won't finish ruining the country we invaded. Unfortunately, as some random asshole with an internet connection without being privvy to the info Obama gets from the CIA, I have no friggin' clue when that'll be. Hopefully soon; we've been at war for just under half my life now, and I'd like it to end.

As for the troops in general: I have a ton of respect for the men and women who volunteer to fight for the US, much more so than I have for the wars we're fighting. Basically if I could sum up my thoughts on the military situation, I consider the wars Bush got us into "a damn waste of incredible talent". If only we had committed to fighting real enemies instead of the imaginary ones we've been chasing for a decade... maybe we'd actually get shit done somewhere. Don't get me wrong, Saddam was a fundie dictator and murderer, and I'm not sorry he's gone, but... goddamn did we fuck up two countries (three if you count our budget now) that did not need the kind of "strategy" Bush used.

As for these soldiers in particular... I do not support them. Call it a holdover from my childhood indoctrination, but I do have more respect for a dead body than that, even if it was an enemy. Doing that just inspires an equal lack of respect from them should they kill our troops, and it brings us no closer to ending the conflict... why would you even bother with it? You killed the bastard; move on.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2012, 05:29:35 pm »
I supported the war in Afghanistan, and the one in Iraq. You're allowed to rethink these things or disagree with the way they're conducted when more data become avalailable.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2012, 07:53:58 pm »
Enilad, he was in Afghanistan.  We know because, among other things, the Taliban told us he was there.  He just didn't stay there after we went in.

The intel on Iraq is, of course, another matter entirely.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2012, 07:57:18 pm »
Enilad, he was in Afghanistan.  We know because, among other things, the Taliban told us he was there.  He just didn't stay there after we went in.

The intel on Iraq is, of course, another matter entirely.

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2012, 09:53:44 pm »
Blows your mind eh?

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2012, 10:29:59 pm »
You have to understand, when the US was attacked I was 10 and still living with both my parents, in my father's fact-proof conservative fundie bunker as it were. So some of my actual knowledge of the era when the wars began consists solely of old Daily Show/Colbert Report episodes. So facts like that were sadly lost on me when it was all happening.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2012, 11:45:03 pm »
I think most people in the West supported the war in Afghanistan. I did, as well as the war in Iraq. Now, I'm unsure about Iraq. I still think Afghanistan was both justified and necessary. Should we be out by now? Yes, because 10 years is enough time for the United States military to finish beating the crap out of just about anyone.
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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2012, 01:22:41 am »
I was against both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #72 on: January 20, 2012, 01:34:14 am »
I'm with Rabbit. I was against both wars.

With Iraq there was never any real justification. The Saddam was a bad guy justification was an ex post facto one given that no one gave a shit until they figured out the Weapons of Mass Destruction were a complite lie. (A complete lie that killed the career of one of the few Republicans I respect in Colin Powell).

Afghanistan, we knew he was there but really is getting one guy sufficient reason to go to war against a whole country and fuck it up badly. Personally I think the bad guy justification was much more warranted in Afghanistan where the Taliban were fucking awful. Including the destruction of statues carved into mountains which were thousands of years old with RPGs because they represented idolatory. But war is never going to improve things. At least Saddam took care of all the Babylonian artefacts which were in his possession - which is more than you can say for the allied forces.


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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2012, 02:10:02 am »
I am/was against both wars as well. The Taliban offered to give up bin Laden to a third party, but the US refused. Now before people talk about how shit the Taliban is, their enemy (and the side the US helped), the Northern Alliance, were no better. The Taliban weren't really popular anyway among the Afghans as most of the Taliban were foreigners imposing a theocracy. But Afghanistan borders China and Iran, another airbase can't be a bad thing.

The Iraq war was complete bullshit and everyone knew it. The WMDs did not exist, Al Qaeda and Saddam hated each other, Iran and Iraq hated each others. But another airbase next to Iran and near Russia can't be terrible.
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As regards to the Marines desecrating the corpses, I'm not surprised, neither are the military establishment.

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Re: Marines Desecrate Afghan Corpses
« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2012, 02:38:51 am »
I would just like to add my two cents here.

I am not suggesting that I am ok with the actions of these Marines.

There are factors that must be taken into consideration. We take young men and train them to be killers. Standard Infantry, especially Marine Infantry, is by no means soft in any way. They teach you to be able to become monsters. We cannot be surprised that out of our entire Armed Forces that there will be some that will behave in this fashion. It's just a matter of statistics.

Additionally, in regards to the urination on the corpse, that could be a case of severe disrespect or it could be a way that these soldiers are dealing with the trauma they experience on the battlefield. Obviously, this isn't a healthy or appropriate vent, but I know that when I was in the shit and dealing with getting shot at and killing I had things I did to vent.

We had games we would play among different units. These were always in the form of stories from being out on patrol...Funniest Sound at Point of Death, Most Surprised Expression at Sight of a Flash Bang. Most Embarassing Kill. Stuff like that. Some of you may view that as sick, but frankly, I don't care. When you're in that situation you MUST add humor to the situation. Anything to take away from the fact that you're dealing with incoming fire, killing and seeing close friends die in explosions and gun fights. In short, these men are traumatized. They need help. Everything they did was still very inappropriate though.

On the subject of corpses. To me, a corpse is just a sack of meat. If someone called me right now and said someone had dug up my grandmother and was having sex with the remains, I would be more concerned about the guy getting captured so he could have his head examined. Once the brain stops, and the central nervous system shuts down...it's just a pile of organic mass that will decompose. I don't like the idea of grave yards. I feel they are a bit uneccissary.

If you want to remember someone, do it with the memories you had and shared with that person. Tell your friends, children, anyone...That way, the memory of that person lives on for as long as the stories are told. While I understand that people want to be able to visit a specific spot to "visit", I would rather they go to my favorite spot in Gambril State Park and sit on the rock I always sit on. I definitely wouldn't want to be buried in a field with a bunch of other people in caskets after being pumped full of chemicals.

When a corpse decomposes in a coffin, it's a very slow process. In the end, it winds up being this horrifying black sludge that just fills the container. I truly don't understand why we do this. If I could be just tossed in a forest somewhere to decompose or be eaten by scavengers, that would be just delightful. At least my corpse would give something back at the end of my existance. Yet, since we have actual laws stating how we can be disposed of, I will have to settle for cremation.

After that, I don't care what they do with it. Throw it away. Bake it in a cake and give it to someone you don't like and don't tell them. Shoot me out of a cannon. "Antique" someone with me. I don't give a hoot.

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