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Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« on: December 06, 2013, 02:38:55 pm »
Yes another run a long line of "We may need to have a violent uprising against people having health care" that seem to be popping up more and more.

But this time from a "mainstream" think tank in a  congressional hearing:

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Testifying before a Congressional hearing Tuesday on the President’s Constitutional powers, Michael Cannon the Cato Institute’s Director of Health Policy Studies, suggests that as a last “resort” the U.S. Government should be “overthrown” because President Barack Obama overstepped his executive powers implementing the Affordable Car Act. And Congressman Trey Gowdy (R-SC) who was questioning Mr. Cannon, agreed.

http://www.examiner.com/article/cato-institute-suggests-an-overthrow-of-u-s-government-is-needed?cid=db_articles

Now besides all the other "stuff" this guys claims, I see two problems with his arguments.

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“That is a very dangerous sort of thing for the president to do, to wantonly ignore the laws,” Cannon concluded, “to try to impose obligation upon people that the legislature did not approve.”

Uhh wasn't the affordable care act passed by the Legislature?  And then later ruled on by the SCOTUS as constitutional?

Wouldn't the fact that the congress passed the bill by definition mean the law was approved by the Legislature?

Am I just confused on that? OR is this guy full of shit?

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Cannon said. “Abraham Lincoln talked about our right to alter our government or our revolutionary right to overthrow it.”

Can anyone find me  the Lincoln quote where allegedly talked about this?  Maybe it's me but it seems Lincoln would have been very biased against the idea of a right to over throw the government.

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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 03:00:46 pm »
Yeah, Libertarians, you go ahead with that armed rebellion.

Just don't pretend you're any different than the "initiators of force" before you that tore functioning societies apart. The chances of getting a better system of governance out of that bloodbath is very tiny.
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 04:03:31 pm »
I love seeing these types just letting the crazy all hang out! Keep it up, Tealiban Turkeys! It helps us AND it's entertaining!

And I doubt Abraham "Mr. Must-Preserve-The-Union" Lincoln said that. CATO Weirdo is either mis-attributing or pulling that quote from a Bizarro-Lincoln who resides in his bowels!

Also, we have the most overblown & overfunded military on the planet! The rebellion would be over in two seconds!


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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 04:15:39 pm »
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 04:19:34 pm »
What these morons who pretend to be Republicans fail to realize is that the army, the most overfunded, overbloated mass is not loyal to them.  They're loyal to the President.  If they attempt to instigate a rebellion, the army will put it down and put it down hard.

Ironbite-and then we'll have a military dictatorship.

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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 04:31:26 pm »
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"We may need to have a violent uprising against people having health care"

Dead people don't need health care, after all.

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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 05:51:03 pm »
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 06:07:52 pm »
Their position is essentially that you have a right to gun down a government that does things you don't like. My question is: are we allowed to gun down the CATO institute, for encouraging (and actually successfully achieving) government activity that I do not like?
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 06:59:17 pm »
The problem with these "revolutions" is the fact that they seem to think they can just seize the government and then everything will be all wine and roses. I doubt many of them can even figure out how to work a power grid.
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 07:17:57 pm »
The problem with these "revolutions" is the fact that they seem to think they can just seize the government and then everything will be all wine and roses. I doubt many of them can even figure out how to work a power grid.

They probably can't even figure out how to work a bloody toilet.
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 08:40:37 pm »
Does this guy come from a parallel universe where Obama declared the ACA to be law by executive decree? Because otherwise I have no idea why he thinks Obama exceeded his powers or ignored the legislature.
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2013, 08:49:42 pm »
They honestly do believe he's done this by degree rather then properly.  And he's got a lot of people convinced of that.

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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2013, 08:56:26 pm »
Does this guy come from a parallel universe where Obama declared the ACA to be law by executive decree? Because otherwise I have no idea why he thinks Obama exceeded his powers or ignored the legislature.

Laws are only legitimate if Republicans vote for them.
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2013, 12:35:12 am »
The problem with these "revolutions" is the fact that they seem to think they can just seize the government and then everything will be all wine and roses. I doubt many of them can even figure out how to work a power grid.
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Re: Cato Institute:Over throw of government may be needed
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 05:00:22 am »
Christ, first the Tea Party, now the Libertairians.  Every time we get a somewhat-sensible alternative to the right and left, some rgith-wing assholes take it over and twist it into some fucked-up group that it's previous supporters still rabbidly support for no goddamn reason! 

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