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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2014, 11:52:20 am »
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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2014, 12:03:09 pm »
Now, that's a train wreck! Did the bridge collapse cause it? Anyway, someone somewhere will pick up the slack in re ISS transport vehicles. Six years can bring a lot of new developments.
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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2014, 07:55:10 pm »
It's just like old times. Back when going from the ISS to Harry Potter within a single page was business as usual.

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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2014, 09:49:01 am »
It's just like old times. Back when going from the ISS to Harry Potter within a single page was business as usual.

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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2014, 04:56:27 pm »
Sorry to be the derailer, now I'll put the train back on track.....

So! How 'bout them petulant Ruskies & the ISS?!

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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2014, 01:36:18 pm »
As many others have said, hopefully this will get our government up off its lazy ass when it comes to the space program. Hopefully the Russians holding out on us will fire up the spirit of competition in us and get us off this rock, sending people into orbit by our own virtue and merit, rather than just hitching a ride.
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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2014, 02:05:54 pm »
I've seen it put that a big problem with the US space program is that every President comes in with a different vision of what it should be, and so the wheel keeps being reinvented. In Russia, they've just kept using the same design since they started.
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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2014, 04:45:58 pm »
I've seen it put that a big problem with the US space program is that every President comes in with a different vision of what it should be, and so the wheel keeps being reinvented. In Russia, they've just kept using the same design since they started.

That's quite true.  The American Apollo program was cut short by a combination of the expenses of the Vietnam War, and (reportedly) Richard Nixon's desire to stamp out something associated with JFK (who of course beat his ass in the 1960 election).  Werner Von Braun's ambitious Apollo Applications Program was chopped down to Skylab, and the United States didn't make a single manned space flight from mid 1975 through April 1981 because NASA was developing Nixon's darling, the Space Shuttle.  Hell, two complete Saturn 5s and two complete Saturn 1Bs went completely unflown (you can see components of them at Cape Canaveral, Houston, and Huntsville)

During the Duhbya Administration, Project Constellation was announced to be the post-Space Shuttle manned space flight program.  In 2010 the Obama Administration cancelled Constellation, and announced the Space Launch System.

The Russians, meanwhile, have been using essentially the same Vostok launch vehicle since 1961 (modified and modernized over time, but essentially the same).  The Soyuz spacecraft that ferry cosmonauts and astronauts to the ISS has gone through three design upgrades, but is essentially the same spacecraft that first flew in 1967, about the same time Apollo was getting ready for its first mission.

So, yeah, NASA's been a poliitical football for a long time.  If Obama's successor is a Republican, the SLS will undoubtedly be cancelled and replaced with something else.  If Obama's successor is a Democrat, well, it might still be cancelled and replaced with something else.
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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2014, 01:00:43 am »
I've seen it put that a big problem with the US space program is that every President comes in with a different vision of what it should be, and so the wheel keeps being reinvented. In Russia, they've just kept using the same design since they started.

That's quite true.  The American Apollo program was cut short by a combination of the expenses of the Vietnam War, and (reportedly) Richard Nixon's desire to stamp out something associated with JFK (who of course beat his ass in the 1960 election).  Werner Von Braun's ambitious Apollo Applications Program was chopped down to Skylab, and the United States didn't make a single manned space flight from mid 1975 through April 1981 because NASA was developing Nixon's darling, the Space Shuttle.  Hell, two complete Saturn 5s and two complete Saturn 1Bs went completely unflown (you can see components of them at Cape Canaveral, Houston, and Huntsville)

During the Duhbya Administration, Project Constellation was announced to be the post-Space Shuttle manned space flight program.  In 2010 the Obama Administration cancelled Constellation, and announced the Space Launch System.

The Russians, meanwhile, have been using essentially the same Vostok launch vehicle since 1961 (modified and modernized over time, but essentially the same).  The Soyuz spacecraft that ferry cosmonauts and astronauts to the ISS has gone through three design upgrades, but is essentially the same spacecraft that first flew in 1967, about the same time Apollo was getting ready for its first mission.

So, yeah, NASA's been a poliitical football for a long time.  If Obama's successor is a Republican, the SLS will undoubtedly be cancelled and replaced with something else.  If Obama's successor is a Democrat, well, it might still be cancelled and replaced with something else.

It's more a problem with Congress insofar as NASA's budget has to be approved every year. Space exploration isn't as popular as war profiteering for the big wigs so NASA inevitably has to accept drastic budget cuts. After several decades of budget cuts, many long-term missions get canned or repurposed and the public eventually notices a few differences.

Not to mention this is perhaps the most hostile Congress in recent history for budget proposals (again, war profiteering notwithstanding.)
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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2014, 08:43:55 am »
I'm sure, if we could phrase it in nothing but baby talk, that they'd pour a tonne of money into it if we said we could use it to intimidate the nasty brown countries.
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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2014, 02:56:13 pm »
I'm sure, if we could phrase it in nothing but baby talk, that they'd pour a tonne of money into it if we said we could use it to intimidate the nasty brown countries.

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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2014, 05:08:27 pm »
I'm sure, if we could phrase it in nothing but baby talk, that they'd pour a tonne of money into it if we said we could use it to intimidate the nasty brown countries.
That or the Russkies.  After all, Putin seems hell-bent on restarting the Cold War.

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Re: Russia won't let USA use the ISS after 2020
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2014, 10:06:08 pm »
I'm sure, if we could phrase it in nothing but baby talk, that they'd pour a tonne of money into it if we said we could use it to intimidate the nasty brown countries.
That or the Russkies.  After all, Putin seems hell-bent on restarting the Cold War.

He's, likely incorrectly, assuming we give a fuck about his antics beyond the human rights violations.  Outside that, the man's a pathetic fucking clown.
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