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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2017, 03:44:05 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends

"With hindsight I should have picked slightly different wording".  Is the wording really the most offensive thing here?


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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2017, 03:51:15 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends

"With hindsight I should have picked slightly different wording".  Is the wording really the most offensive thing here?

When you're trying to broker a peace between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah, you can't call them out because they're likely to just up and walk away from the table. You have to use diplomatic language.

If I were ever elected to Parliament, it would be as an NDP MP. If I were then to speak of a Conservative MP as my "friend," it would be in that diplomatic sense, not because I agree with him or her on (almost) anything, and probably not because we're personal friends despite our disagreements.
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2017, 06:45:06 pm »
This must be very difficult for the Contrarian. His party drove the country into recession and played footsie with the racist right to hold government - a decision that caused catastrophe. And now a resurgent firmly left-wing Labour has crushed them horribly in an election they arrogantly thought they had in the bag. The public doesn't want any more of his ignorant thieving bullshit any more. Thatcherism is dead. The public killed it at the ballot box. Everything he believes is wrong and has always been wrong.
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2017, 03:54:53 am »
Well, none of this seems to have hurt him in the election. Quite the result, eh Conty?

Moar salt pls.

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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2017, 03:58:35 am »
Well, none of this seems to have hurt him in the election. Quite the result, eh Conty?

Moar salt pls.

Eh, what'll probably end up happening is that the Tories form a government with either a formal coalition with the DUP or an informal working arrangement.

The big question is whether they'll commit regicide against May. ("The Tory Party is an absolute monarchy moderated by regicide.") They can turn on their leaders ferociously and viciously.
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2017, 04:12:12 am »
Could someone explain the results to me?

So the Conservatives still are the biggest party but not big enough to win every vote without help from the others and this is seen as a disaster?

Are all the other parties so opposed to them that they can't make a deal with them, maybe throw the occasional bone and keep on doing what they did before?
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2017, 05:07:48 am »
Well, none of this seems to have hurt him in the election. Quite the result, eh Conty?

Moar salt pls.

Eh, what'll probably end up happening is that the Tories form a government with either a formal coalition with the DUP or an informal working arrangement.

The big question is whether they'll commit regicide against May. ("The Tory Party is an absolute monarchy moderated by regicide.") They can turn on their leaders ferociously and viciously.
It's not a good result for Brexiters though, the DUP has only spoken in support of a "soft Brexit". They do not want to nuke the Good Friday agreement or have a hard border with Ireland. If the EU comes back and says it's hard Brexit or nothing it'll get very interesting.

Could someone explain the results to me?

So the Conservatives still are the biggest party but not big enough to win every vote without help from the others and this is seen as a disaster?

Are all the other parties so opposed to them that they can't make a deal with them, maybe throw the occasional bone and keep on doing what they did before?

A hung parliament means you get odd kingmakers because the person who holds the balance of power gets a lot of power relative to the number of seats they hold. Australia has had a couple. Which again, is why the DUP holding the Tories by the balls doesn't bode well for Brexit fans.
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2017, 05:26:35 am »
It's just that in Finland it is the norm that you have more than one party in the government and that they have to make compromises.

Sometimes a party will storm out and leave because they can't have their way or at least threaten to do so, usually it all works out though.
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2017, 07:01:58 am »
Compromise? In government? What's that?
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2017, 08:02:56 am »
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2017, 08:05:55 am »
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No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2017, 09:23:01 am »
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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2017, 04:53:51 am »
Compromise? In government? What's that?

I think I read about that in a mythology book once. Right after the page on Unicorns.

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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2017, 02:28:45 pm »
This must be very difficult for the Contrarian. His party drove the country into recession and played footsie with the racist right to hold government - a decision that caused catastrophe. And now a resurgent firmly left-wing Labour has crushed them horribly in an election they arrogantly thought they had in the bag. The public doesn't want any more of his ignorant thieving bullshit any more. Thatcherism is dead. The public killed it at the ballot box. Everything he believes is wrong and has always been wrong.

Who got crushed?  Last I heard Corbyn's Comrades were still in a distant second.

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1979 - Callaghan won 269 seats, he admitted defeat & resigned.
1992 - Kinnock won 271 seats, he admitted defeat & resigned.
2017 - Corbyn wins 262 seats, claims victory and orders the winner to resign.

But yeah don't let a pesky thing like reality get in the way of your marxist fervour.


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Re: A Vote for Jeremy Corbyn is a vote against the Jew
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2017, 02:33:07 pm »
1979: Callaghan lost 50 seats and the Prime Ministership, and Thatcher won a majority.

1992: Kinnock gained 42 seats, but was expected to win; instead John Major won a shock majority.

2017: Corbyn gained 30 seats even though he had been expected to be wiped out, and May was reduced from a majority to a minority.

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1979: Labour received 36.9% of the popular vote to the Conservatives' 43.9%, a 7-point gap.

1992: Labour received 34.4% of the popular vote to the Conservatives' 41.9%, a 7.5-point gap.

2017: Labour received 40% of the popular vote to the Conservatives' 42.4%, a 2.4-point gap.

Further, a big factor that neither Callaghan nor Kinnock had to contend with, but Corbyn did, was the SNP. Labour majorities were often based on their winning most of the seats in Scotland, a task made much harder by the rise of the SNP in recent years, and this time even harder due to the Scottish Conservatives having a popular leader in Ruth Davidson. (As one SNP supporter noted, it really was true in a lot of ridings that "A vote for Labour is a vote for the Conservatives" because those ridings had become SNP-Conservative battlegrounds.)
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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