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Title: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 11:18:46 am
Niam will have to edit his story so that King Michael is the son of another King. The reason why is because I previously made a mistake when tracing who the legitimate heir to the Kingdom of England, Lordship of Ireland, and Duchy of Normandy. I traced the line of Cognatic primogeniture from the descendants of Adela of Normandy’s son Theobald II Count of Champagne. However I realized that Theobald II was not Adela’s oldest son and that her oldest son was William Count of Sully. I used geni.com to trace his descendants through cognatic primogeniture and got to https://www.geni.com/people/Princess-Marie-Jeanne-de-Rohan/6000000062292375821?through=6000000024846857843

Her children are private on the site, but I found them here. http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00017698&tree=LEO

I will contact the family on the site and tell them about what they are heirs to. If they do not pursue the claims to the throne, then in the future, a future child of one of the heirs can be kidnapped and raised to pursue the throne. The youngest heir is Marie Jeanne de Rohan’s grandson Pierre Naquet. So Niam should edit his story to make King Michael’s father Pierre Naquet.

Since the heirs are not the heirs to other Kingdoms, the Empire in Niam’s story that spans Europe and the Holy Land should be part of England instead of being called the Europan Kingdom. Europe would eventually be conquered by England in the reclamation wars because the European countries would fight against the heirs pursuing the thrones of England, Ireland, and Normandy.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: dpareja on August 11, 2018, 11:52:36 am
Somehow, I think niam cares even less than I do.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 11:59:11 am
Somehow, I think niam cares even less than I do.

But it affects his story.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: dpareja on August 11, 2018, 12:01:17 pm
Somehow, I think niam cares even less than I do.

But it affects his story.

No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 12:12:51 pm
Somehow, I think niam cares even less than I do.

But it affects his story.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does, because he had the King be from the line of succession that I considered legitimate.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: dpareja on August 11, 2018, 12:14:17 pm
Somehow, I think niam cares even less than I do.

But it affects his story.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does, because he had the King be from the line of succession that I considered legitimate.

You really don't get how it doesn't affect his story, do you.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 12:47:14 pm
Somehow, I think niam cares even less than I do.

But it affects his story.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does, because he had the King be from the line of succession that I considered legitimate.

You really don't get how it doesn't affect his story, do you.

How would it not affect his story. He had King Michael be the son of Jaime of Bourbon Two Siciles and now I discovered that Jaime is not the true heir. He will have to change who King Michael’s father is.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: dpareja on August 11, 2018, 01:04:07 pm
Damn but you are completely clueless.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 11, 2018, 01:09:17 pm
So that's, what, the fifth "true heir" you've dug up thus far? I guess we can expect a new one sometime in the next fortnight or so.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 01:11:18 pm
Damn but you are completely clueless.

Explain
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 01:11:44 pm
So that's, what, the fifth "true heir" you've dug up thus far? I guess we can expect a new one sometime in the next fortnight or so.

This time I’m sure I found the right one.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: dpareja on August 11, 2018, 01:27:50 pm
Damn but you are completely clueless.

Explain

NIAM IS MOCKING YOU.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 01:44:57 pm
Damn but you are completely clueless.

Explain

NIAM IS MOCKING YOU.

That was probably his original intent when writing the story, but it seems like he really got into the story, so he would care about the accuracy.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 01:59:26 pm
My parallel self from a parallel universe appeared just now, used a wand, and drained my soul out of my body and into his causing our souls to merge and for me to have memories from the parallel universe where Pierre Naquet became King of England. To promote the legitimacy cause in this universe I will make an animation documenting what happened and the cuckold incident that brought disaster to teach a moral lesson about extramarital sex. Seems like the advanced time travelling aliens who create parallel timelines in their spare time created a universe based on some of my previous ideas.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: niam2023 on August 11, 2018, 04:56:51 pm
Chapter 9 and 10 are coming out tonight.

I've revealed little enough about King Michael that I don't blame Jacob for assuming something needs to be altered.

And to basically say what is going on with these stories - I intend for there to be a bit of contrast between my offerings and what Jacob is typing out. So more or less - I'm mocking him by writing his own universe better than he does.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 11, 2018, 05:23:16 pm
Chapter 9 and 10 are coming out tonight.

I've revealed little enough about King Michael that I don't blame Jacob for assuming something needs to be altered.

And to basically say what is going on with these stories - I intend for there to be a bit of contrast between my offerings and what Jacob is typing out. So more or less - I'm mocking him by writing his own universe better than he does.

There is one reference to King Jaime in chapter 3

“This would not be what Jaime would have done, Gabriel tried to tell himself.”

So you will have to replace the word Jaime with Pierre.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: dpareja on August 11, 2018, 10:07:46 pm
No he won't, it trolls you just fine either way.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 11, 2018, 11:42:01 pm
So that's, what, the fifth "true heir" you've dug up thus far? I guess we can expect a new one sometime in the next fortnight or so.

This time I’m sure I found the right one.

Of course you are.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: dpareja on August 12, 2018, 12:02:48 am
And of course he still hasn't gotten the point that the "right one" is the current Queen, since she is the rightful heir of Sophia of Hanover via male-preference primogeniture, as per the Act of Settlement passed by the representatives of the people in Parliament.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on August 12, 2018, 01:41:03 am
He changes who the true heir is ore than most people change their socks.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: niam2023 on August 12, 2018, 01:41:46 am
...I am reasonably sure the next one will be East European somehow.

Also, isn't Excalibur's Return entirely based on the idea of Jaime being King? There are multiple references to him in it.

And the whole conceit of it is Jacob's experience of a vision of a parallel universe where JAIME is the King. So unless the parallel universe he supposedly speaks of changes its legitimate new king whenever Jacob finds a new totally legit heir...

Ergo I think the current version will do just fine.

Also, gonna have to put off chapter 9 and 10 until tomorrow - got to head to bed early for an appointment tomorrow. But I do have a teaser for Chapter 10.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 12, 2018, 02:21:19 am
So that's, what, the fifth "true heir" you've dug up thus far? I guess we can expect a new one sometime in the next fortnight or so.
It almost makes me feel sorry for the toffs, the poor bastards keep getting harangued by a weird little bastard called Jacob Harrison!
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 12, 2018, 07:32:55 am
...I am reasonably sure the next one will be East European somehow.

Also, isn't Excalibur's Return entirely based on the idea of Jaime being King? There are multiple references to him in it.

And the whole conceit of it is Jacob's experience of a vision of a parallel universe where JAIME is the King. So unless the parallel universe he supposedly speaks of changes its legitimate new king whenever Jacob finds a new totally legit heir...

Ergo I think the current version will do just fine.

Also, gonna have to put off chapter 9 and 10 until tomorrow - got to head to bed early for an appointment tomorrow. But I do have a teaser for Chapter 10.

(click to show/hide)

So maybe you should add a chapter where I discover who the true rightful heir is and replace King Michael with the son of Pierre Naquet. After Michael’s death, the new King marries Iva. Since I am sure I found the true heir, the story should be based on who I consider the legitimate heir.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 23, 2018, 10:20:18 am
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I traced the line of Cognatic primogeniture from the descendants of Adela of Normandy’s son Theobald II Count of Champagne.
Oh, by the way, you did it wrong yet again. England didn't have cognatic succession until very recently, and changes to succession laws don't apply retroactively. As such, you need to trace the heir using the succession laws of the time, not the laws that exist today.

So yeah, have fun with that.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 23, 2018, 11:23:43 am
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I traced the line of Cognatic primogeniture from the descendants of Adela of Normandy’s son Theobald II Count of Champagne.
Oh, by the way, you did it wrong yet again. England didn't have cognatic succession until very recently, and changes to succession laws don't apply retroactively. As such, you need to trace the heir using the succession laws of the time, not the laws that exist today.

So yeah, have fun with that.

Cognitive primogeniture is male primogeniture which was the law of succession at the time.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 23, 2018, 11:52:24 am
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I traced the line of Cognatic primogeniture from the descendants of Adela of Normandy’s son Theobald II Count of Champagne.
Oh, by the way, you did it wrong yet again. England didn't have cognatic succession until very recently, and changes to succession laws don't apply retroactively. As such, you need to trace the heir using the succession laws of the time, not the laws that exist today.

So yeah, have fun with that.

Cognitive primogeniture is male primogeniture which was the law of succession at the time.

Nope, that's agnatic premogeniture. Also bear in mind that England used agnatic-cognatic primogeniture later on in its history (females can inherit, but only if there are no males of the same lineage) for a few hundred years before switching over to absolute cognatic a few years ago.

So yeah, have fun with that.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 23, 2018, 04:25:28 pm
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I traced the line of Cognatic primogeniture from the descendants of Adela of Normandy’s son Theobald II Count of Champagne.
Oh, by the way, you did it wrong yet again. England didn't have cognatic succession until very recently, and changes to succession laws don't apply retroactively. As such, you need to trace the heir using the succession laws of the time, not the laws that exist today.

So yeah, have fun with that.

Cognitive primogeniture is male primogeniture which was the law of succession at the time.

Nope, that's agnatic premogeniture. Also bear in mind that England used agnatic-cognatic primogeniture later on in its history (females can inherit, but only if there are no males of the same lineage) for a few hundred years before switching over to absolute cognatic a few years ago.

So yeah, have fun with that.
Well then I used agnatic-cognatic primogeniture when tracing the rightful heir because the line went through females if someone did not have any sons.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 23, 2018, 04:48:23 pm
Well then I used agnatic-cognatic primogeniture when tracing the rightful heir because the line went through females if someone did not have any sons.
For the entirety of the line, or just when England actually had agnatic-cognatic succession?
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 23, 2018, 07:30:05 pm
Well then I used agnatic-cognatic primogeniture when tracing the rightful heir because the line went through females if someone did not have any sons.
For the entirety of the line, or just when England actually had agnatic-cognatic succession?

By the time of Henry II, England’s had Agnatic-cognatic succession because Henry II was the son of Henry II’s Matilda. I traced what should have been the agnatic cognatic succession after him.
Title: Re: Something very important that you and Niam should know
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 23, 2018, 08:27:29 pm
Well then I used agnatic-cognatic primogeniture when tracing the rightful heir because the line went through females if someone did not have any sons.
For the entirety of the line, or just when England actually had agnatic-cognatic succession?

By the time of Henry II, England’s had Agnatic-cognatic succession because Henry II was the son of Henry II’s Matilda. I traced what should have been the agnatic cognatic succession after him.

Righto then.