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Title: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: wrightway on July 26, 2013, 03:39:40 pm
The human rights watch is reporting once again on Operation Zeus, a Greek program meant to clean up the problem of undesirables in the country. They started with immigrants, moved on to drug users, then forcibly testing sex workers for HIV, now they're after transgender individuals. They're holding suspected undesirables in internment camps, because that's worked so well before.

 I may have my issues with my home country's track record for the LGBT community, but at least it's not this.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 26, 2013, 04:03:20 pm
Since there isn't a link (http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/12/greece-abusive-crackdown-migrants)

More recent (http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/09/xenios-zeus-and-true-meaning-greek-hospitality)

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Operation Xenios Zeus aimed to re-seal the country’s borders, and weed out the illegal aliens, while bringing order to troublesome neighborhoods.

The fact that it's almost a year old operation is really disconcerting. Arizona can no longer say they have horrible immigration reform.

Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 26, 2013, 05:18:24 pm
I'm for mandatory testing for HIV and similar diseases, but not like that!
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 26, 2013, 06:45:20 pm
What the fuck Greece?

This law is so blatantly bigoted I'm amazed it's been going on for as long as it has.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: ironbite on July 26, 2013, 06:49:02 pm
Greece is....just special right now.

Ironbite-simply special./
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Meshakhad on July 26, 2013, 07:19:21 pm
At this point, I say we let Turkey conquer them. Or Macedonia.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: guizonde on July 26, 2013, 08:51:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo37vW2SW-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVX2-RRkH8A

marginally related, but yeah... not a pretty picture in greece currently...
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 26, 2013, 11:10:26 pm
Almost everything is horrible, but mandatory testing for prostitutes? I find it terrifying that they didn't already have that.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: niam2023 on July 27, 2013, 02:27:37 am
So essentially the Golden Dawn party has abandoned all senses of subtlety in favor of screaming "WE'RE NAZIS DAMMIT!!"
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Valerius on July 27, 2013, 02:57:17 am
Honestly, I'm not surprised. Remember a year or two ago when the country pretty much went bankrupt and had the EU bail them out, and there were riots and much turmoil across the country pretty much? That's when the far-right crazies came out of the woodwork and started gaining power.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 27, 2013, 05:50:14 am
If I'd known this shit was going on a few months ago I wouldn't have wanted to go to Greece on holiday (went sailing around the Cyclades, had a great time).
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 27, 2013, 08:49:09 am
Greece, the birthplace of Democracy, has basically gone fascist.  Gee, that's going to end well.  I mean, its not like the Nazi leadership had multiple attempts on their lives that persisted until they were systematically eradicated.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 27, 2013, 09:16:11 am
Honestly, I'm not surprised. Remember a year or two ago when the country pretty much went bankrupt and had the EU bail them out, and there were riots and much turmoil across the country pretty much? That's when the far-right crazies came out of the woodwork and started gaining power.
Precisely. When times are bad, suddenly everyone is a lot more open-minded about extremism in all its various flavours.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Askold on July 27, 2013, 09:27:27 am
Honestly, I'm not surprised. Remember a year or two ago when the country pretty much went bankrupt and had the EU bail them out, and there were riots and much turmoil across the country pretty much? That's when the far-right crazies came out of the woodwork and started gaining power.
Precisely. When times are bad, suddenly everyone is a lot more open-minded about extremism in all its various flavours.
When things are bad it is easier to believe that someone else is to blame. During the bankrupcy crisis the Greeks were blaming Germany and other EU countries of ruining them financially  ::) and when someone shows up during a moment like that and starts pointing fingers at foreigners and refugees they more support than they normally would.

I mean it can't be my/our fault... I'ts just those damn darkies or gypsies or commies/bourgeois or whatnot that are ruining everything. So rather than do something complicated and uncomfortable like increasing taxes, striking against the moonlighting that is reducing the goverments tax gains or whatever we could just throw those foreigners out and then everything will be alright.

Similar problems have always given a rise to extremists and xenophobes.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: nickiknack on July 27, 2013, 09:44:43 am
Not shocked, given that being a fascist fucknugget seems to be the it thing right now there. One has to wonder how worse this stuff in Greece is going to get.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Barbarella on July 27, 2013, 10:13:54 am
Things will probably get epically bad before folks come to their senses. However, I'm sure it'll end sometime & Greece will be nice, again. The Germans were in the exact same situation, were defeated, learned their lesson & are much better off, a much freer, prosperous country that is deeply anti-Nazi/Fascist/extremist.

I'm sure there are plenty of Greeks who are disgusted as we are. It ain't over...it never is. Evil & injustice may win many battles but goodness will win in the end....eventually.

I also find it rather silly that they're targeting LGBTs & sex-workers while naming their operation after a pansexual deity that humped anything that moved. I know he was the big kahuna of Greece's ancient ancestral pantheon but still....
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: ironbite on July 27, 2013, 06:40:39 pm
The only reason why Germany under Hitler was able to get anywhere was because it had a nice mechanical industry that suddenly saved it's ass with making a billion war machines.  Greece not only doesn't and will never have that, the second it starts building up it's military like me playing Civ V, they will get smacked down.

Ironbite-Greece is totally hosed and they only have themselves to blame.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 27, 2013, 06:43:17 pm
Things will probably get epically bad before folks come to their senses. However, I'm sure it'll end sometime & Greece will be nice, again. The Germans were in the exact same situation, were defeated, learned their lesson & are much better off, a much freer, prosperous country that is deeply anti-Nazi/Fascist/extremist.

Germany lost a war that killed several million people. I don't think Greece is about to declare war on the rest of Europe, so we shouldn't expect things to progress in the same way.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 27, 2013, 07:39:52 pm
I knew about the Golden Dawn getting more and more power, and that Greece's economy crashed and burned, but I wasn't aware they'd gone full retard nazi. Why haven't I heard of this thing before? Why's this operation not been major news?

I looked up the Golden Dawn page on Wikipedia to get an image of their flag and found that it says they give help to the poor and victims of crimes. Naturally, the catch is that they have to be ethnic Greek and give the Golden Dawn unconditional allegiance. The police apparently also support the GD since they tell people to go to them for help if they've been the victim of a crime, particularly if the crime was committed by an immigrant.

Here's the flag. They also put up full on Swastika banners at their convention or whatever.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Meandros_flag.svg/405px-Meandros_flag.svg.png)

*SNIP*

Germany lost a war that killed several million people. I don't think Greece is about to declare war on the rest of Europe, so we shouldn't expect things to progress in the same way.

From the Golden Dawn Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)), Section titled "Stance toward other countries":

"In 2012, the party leader, Nikolaos Mihaloliakos, said during an election meeting in Thessaloniki that "We will take İstanbul, İzmir as well as the Black Sea back." Earlier, Mihaloliakos had said that one day the "Queen City" (Istanbul) will be "liberated". These regions once had significant Greek populations until the Treaty of Lausanne. He criticized Thessaloniki's mayor for wanting to name one of the city's streets after Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

In January 2013, a group of supporters of Golden Dawn attacked the car of the Turkish Consul General, Osman İlhan Şener, in Komotini during an anti-Turkey protest. The party members also insulted Atatürk during the attack.

Mihaloliakos has also called for the "liberation" of Northern Epirus, which is today part of southern Albania, has a substantial Greek population and is claimed by Greek irredentists. His party also supports the annexation of Cyprus. Election adverts for Golden Dawn depicted the burning of US and Israeli flags."
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 27, 2013, 08:06:51 pm
The reason you aren't hearing about it is because it's being done against 'undesirables'. And people wanting to turn a blind eye to it.

It's like when a serial killer goes after prostitutes and the homeless. They're invisible to most people until a large enough chunk goes missing and then winds up dead in a gutter from a slit throat or something.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 27, 2013, 08:17:09 pm
Did you just reference Jack the Ripper?
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: ironbite on July 27, 2013, 08:28:16 pm
No he was referencing Harry Potter

Ironbite-*baps*
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 27, 2013, 09:48:18 pm
Goddammit, Golden Dawn was never trying to hide their neo-Nazi fuckery from the start. I mean, really:

(http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/golden-dawn.jpg)

However, from what I understand, before Greece's economy bluescreened, they were essentially more of a fringe party known for their thinly-veiled racist policies and sympathies toward Adolf Hitler. They've only recently risen to prominence because many Greeks are desperate. Apparently they are especially popular with the Greek police.

ETA: While searching "Golden Dawn", I also found this (SFW, spoilered for size):

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 27, 2013, 09:52:54 pm
Did you just reference Jack the Ripper?

To be honest, it hadn't been on my mind when I wrote my post. Lots of cases have the same parts to it as the Jack the Ripper case. I was mostly just drawing from my criminal justice studies when I made the post. lol
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Barbarella on July 27, 2013, 11:16:55 pm
Goddammit, Golden Dawn was never trying to hide their neo-Nazi fuckery from the start. I mean, really:

(http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/golden-dawn.jpg)

However, from what I understand, before Greece's economy bluescreened, they were essentially more of a fringe party known for their thinly-veiled racist policies and sympathies toward Adolf Hitler. They've only recently risen to prominence because many Greeks are desperate. Apparently they are especially popular with the Greek police.

ETA: While searching "Golden Dawn", I also found this (SFW, spoilered for size):

(click to show/hide)

About that spoiler...that's a different Golden Dawn (an occult order).
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:17:49 pm
You know, as soon as they fuck around, the UN will make them shit themselves. Mainly because Germany isn't going to bail out the new Nazi party. Also, am I the only one that thinks that their name sounds like someone stole it from a bunch of vampire hunters or mages from a fantasy universe?
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 27, 2013, 11:20:32 pm
The other way around, actually, since the Golden Dawn (not the neo-Nazi one) is an occultic society that's been around for... a fair amount of time.

They're basically like the Freemasons except, well, Egyptian instead of Judaic.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 27, 2013, 11:29:10 pm
Also, am I the only one that thinks that their name sounds like someone stole it from a bunch of vampire hunters or mages from a fantasy universe?
It sounds like the name of a porno to me.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Meshakhad on July 28, 2013, 01:20:29 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 28, 2013, 02:20:25 am
You know, as soon as they fuck around, the UN will make them shit themselves. Mainly because Germany isn't going to bail out the new Nazi party. Also, am I the only one that thinks that their name sounds like someone stole it from a bunch of vampire hunters or mages from a fantasy universe?

It always makes me think of the Mythic Dawn, the cult from Oblivion that tries to destroy the world and build their own.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 11:10:26 am
You know, as soon as they fuck around, the UN will make them shit themselves. Mainly because Germany isn't going to bail out the new Nazi party. Also, am I the only one that thinks that their name sounds like someone stole it from a bunch of vampire hunters or mages from a fantasy universe?

It always makes me think of the Mythic Dawn, the cult from Oblivion that tries to destroy the world and build their own.
Yeah, that might actually be the ones that were knocking in the back of my head.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Old Viking on July 28, 2013, 04:05:30 pm
Great salad!
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Valerius on July 28, 2013, 11:05:32 pm
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

I almost want this to happen just so I can see them get bitch-slapped by the rest of Europe for their douchebaggery. Almost.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 28, 2013, 11:33:39 pm
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 29, 2013, 11:49:41 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 29, 2013, 11:50:46 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.
...I don't think leaving the EU works that way.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 29, 2013, 11:56:57 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.
...I don't think leaving the EU works that way.
I know, but if they owed major money and went full Nazi, the EU might not be too happy.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 30, 2013, 09:09:43 am
I know, but if they owed major money and went full Nazi, the EU might not be too happy.
This isn't the middle ages. You can't declare war over unpaid loans*. In fact, Germany in particular can't declare war over anything short of self defense.

*As long as you're not America. When your military budget is almost equal to the rest of the world combined, you can generally do whatever the fuck you want. Though I can't imagine America would be too bothered with Greece.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 30, 2013, 10:07:37 am
Let 'em leave.  Either they'll go into massive ruin, and subsequently MASSIVE social upheaval, or they'll attack Turkey and get the entire Western world shoved up their ass.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Lt. Fred on September 05, 2013, 12:56:23 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.

Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: chad sexington on September 05, 2013, 05:09:55 am
From the Golden Dawn Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)), Section titled "Stance toward other countries":

"In 2012, the party leader, Nikolaos Mihaloliakos, said during an election meeting in Thessaloniki that "We will take İstanbul, İzmir as well as the Black Sea back." Earlier, Mihaloliakos had said that one day the "Queen City" (Istanbul) will be "liberated". These regions once had significant Greek populations until the Treaty of Lausanne. He criticized Thessaloniki's mayor for wanting to name one of the city's streets after Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

In January 2013, a group of supporters of Golden Dawn attacked the car of the Turkish Consul General, Osman İlhan Şener, in Komotini during an anti-Turkey protest. The party members also insulted Atatürk during the attack.

Mihaloliakos has also called for the "liberation" of Northern Epirus, which is today part of southern Albania, has a substantial Greek population and is claimed by Greek irredentists. His party also supports the annexation of Cyprus. Election adverts for Golden Dawn depicted the burning of US and Israeli flags."

If they remembered more than five minutes ago, they'd know that was what caused the collapse of the last dictatorship in Greece, back in the seventies.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Yla on September 05, 2013, 05:25:47 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I think you're mixing up EU and eurozone, which is not the same thing. To devalue the currency they need to leave the euro, which is an idea that has been bandied about multiple times over the last years. It would be a clusterfuck on its own; whether it'd be worse than the ongoing clusterfuck I'm not judging.
But leaving the euro doesn't automatically mean leaving the EU, too. It might be done in addition, but it's a whole other business. Though I'm pretty sure the GD would be all for it.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 05, 2013, 05:49:52 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.

Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Askold on September 05, 2013, 05:55:06 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.

Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.
Yes, we've been trying to talk to you about that.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Lt. Fred on September 05, 2013, 06:10:19 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.

Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.

Slaughter people for fun and profit!
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 05, 2013, 06:11:01 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.

Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.
Yes, we've been trying to talk to you about that.
My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 05, 2013, 07:28:33 am
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Askold on September 05, 2013, 07:46:56 am
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.
This right here is the weakpoint in  democracy.


Still better than the alternatives though...
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: ironbite on September 05, 2013, 11:40:39 am
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.

Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.

Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.
Yes, we've been trying to talk to you about that.
My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.

And as I said before, never go into politics.

Ironbite-you will be eaten alive.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: SCarpelan on September 05, 2013, 03:00:42 pm
My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.
So, you wish for brutal bloodshed where thousands of innocent people die just because a vocal minority in Greece - some of whom are in a position of power - is transphobic. When it comes to homosexuality most Greeks who are under 50 years old support accepting it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Greece#Public_opinion) so I assume this reflects also their attitude towards transgender people.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 05, 2013, 03:33:14 pm
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.
Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: ironbite on September 05, 2013, 05:55:03 pm
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.
Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.

See you say things like that...then you say things like:

My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.

It's not hard to see that we don't exactly catch your meaning.  But please, keep saying stupid shit like that.

Ironbite-First Amendment rights and all that.  You're just not free to be called a flaming dipshit and treated accordingly.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 05, 2013, 06:02:16 pm
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.
Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.

See you say things like that...then you say things like:

My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.

It's not hard to see that we don't exactly catch your meaning.  But please, keep saying stupid shit like that.

Ironbite-First Amendment rights and all that.  You're just not free to be called a flaming dipshit and treated accordingly.
I don't see how they contradict each other. It's what I wish. It's not possible. However, my wishes aren't going to be influenced by laws. It's like wishing I had infinite pot or could try panda meat.
Title: Re: Operation Zeus (when did Greece lose its mind?)
Post by: Lt. Fred on September 05, 2013, 06:17:20 pm
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.
Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.

You fail to realise why this is so: because the opposite is retarded.