Operation Xenios Zeus aimed to re-seal the country’s borders, and weed out the illegal aliens, while bringing order to troublesome neighborhoods.
Honestly, I'm not surprised. Remember a year or two ago when the country pretty much went bankrupt and had the EU bail them out, and there were riots and much turmoil across the country pretty much? That's when the far-right crazies came out of the woodwork and started gaining power.Precisely. When times are bad, suddenly everyone is a lot more open-minded about extremism in all its various flavours.
When things are bad it is easier to believe that someone else is to blame. During the bankrupcy crisis the Greeks were blaming Germany and other EU countries of ruining them financially ::) and when someone shows up during a moment like that and starts pointing fingers at foreigners and refugees they more support than they normally would.Honestly, I'm not surprised. Remember a year or two ago when the country pretty much went bankrupt and had the EU bail them out, and there were riots and much turmoil across the country pretty much? That's when the far-right crazies came out of the woodwork and started gaining power.Precisely. When times are bad, suddenly everyone is a lot more open-minded about extremism in all its various flavours.
Things will probably get epically bad before folks come to their senses. However, I'm sure it'll end sometime & Greece will be nice, again. The Germans were in the exact same situation, were defeated, learned their lesson & are much better off, a much freer, prosperous country that is deeply anti-Nazi/Fascist/extremist.
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Germany lost a war that killed several million people. I don't think Greece is about to declare war on the rest of Europe, so we shouldn't expect things to progress in the same way.
Did you just reference Jack the Ripper?
Goddammit, Golden Dawn was never trying to hide their neo-Nazi fuckery from the start. I mean, really:
(http://greece.greekreporter.com/files/golden-dawn.jpg)
However, from what I understand, before Greece's economy bluescreened, they were essentially more of a fringe party known for their thinly-veiled racist policies and sympathies toward Adolf Hitler. They've only recently risen to prominence because many Greeks are desperate. Apparently they are especially popular with the Greek police.
ETA: While searching "Golden Dawn", I also found this (SFW, spoilered for size):(click to show/hide)
Also, am I the only one that thinks that their name sounds like someone stole it from a bunch of vampire hunters or mages from a fantasy universe?It sounds like the name of a porno to me.
You know, as soon as they fuck around, the UN will make them shit themselves. Mainly because Germany isn't going to bail out the new Nazi party. Also, am I the only one that thinks that their name sounds like someone stole it from a bunch of vampire hunters or mages from a fantasy universe?
Yeah, that might actually be the ones that were knocking in the back of my head.You know, as soon as they fuck around, the UN will make them shit themselves. Mainly because Germany isn't going to bail out the new Nazi party. Also, am I the only one that thinks that their name sounds like someone stole it from a bunch of vampire hunters or mages from a fantasy universe?
It always makes me think of the Mythic Dawn, the cult from Oblivion that tries to destroy the world and build their own.
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
...I don't think leaving the EU works that way.I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I know, but if they owed major money and went full Nazi, the EU might not be too happy....I don't think leaving the EU works that way.I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
I know, but if they owed major money and went full Nazi, the EU might not be too happy.This isn't the middle ages. You can't declare war over unpaid loans*. In fact, Germany in particular can't declare war over anything short of self defense.
I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
From the Golden Dawn Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)), Section titled "Stance toward other countries":
"In 2012, the party leader, Nikolaos Mihaloliakos, said during an election meeting in Thessaloniki that "We will take İstanbul, İzmir as well as the Black Sea back." Earlier, Mihaloliakos had said that one day the "Queen City" (Istanbul) will be "liberated". These regions once had significant Greek populations until the Treaty of Lausanne. He criticized Thessaloniki's mayor for wanting to name one of the city's streets after Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
In January 2013, a group of supporters of Golden Dawn attacked the car of the Turkish Consul General, Osman İlhan Şener, in Komotini during an anti-Turkey protest. The party members also insulted Atatürk during the attack.
Mihaloliakos has also called for the "liberation" of Northern Epirus, which is today part of southern Albania, has a substantial Greek population and is claimed by Greek irredentists. His party also supports the annexation of Cyprus. Election adverts for Golden Dawn depicted the burning of US and Israeli flags."
I think you're mixing up EU and eurozone, which is not the same thing. To devalue the currency they need to leave the euro, which is an idea that has been bandied about multiple times over the last years. It would be a clusterfuck on its own; whether it'd be worse than the ongoing clusterfuck I'm not judging.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
Yes, we've been trying to talk to you about that.My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.Yes, we've been trying to talk to you about that.My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of howThis right here is the weakpoint in democracy.internationalpolitics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.
My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.Yes, we've been trying to talk to you about that.My lack of care about what's legal vs. what I want is astonishing.I want Greece to leave, default on their loans, get war declared on them for it by the EU (therefore dragging America in) and Greece be slaughtered. Just to piss off people who are on Greece's side.If the Golden Dawn actually takes power and starts with racist bullshit, I expect they'll be swiftly expelled from the EU.
Greece wants to leave the EU. The EU doesn't want to let them leave. If Greece leaves the EU (defaulting on their loans as they go, of course) they can engage in the kind of external devaluation the Euro won't allow. Then maybe they can export their way out of the recession. Complete disaster for Germany of course- no more easy access to uncompetitive Southern markets for you to impoverish.
Gunboat diplomacy has been illegal for a century.
My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.So, you wish for brutal bloodshed where thousands of innocent people die just because a vocal minority in Greece - some of whom are in a position of power - is transphobic. When it comes to homosexuality most Greeks who are under 50 years old support accepting it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Greece#Public_opinion) so I assume this reflects also their attitude towards transgender people.
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.
My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.
I don't see how they contradict each other. It's what I wish. It's not possible. However, my wishes aren't going to be influenced by laws. It's like wishing I had infinite pot or could try panda meat.It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.
See you say things like that...then you say things like:My point is, it's what I wish would happen. I'm not going to change my wishes based on laws.
It's not hard to see that we don't exactly catch your meaning. But please, keep saying stupid shit like that.
Ironbite-First Amendment rights and all that. You're just not free to be called a flaming dipshit and treated accordingly.
It's amazing how you can be so ignorant of how international politics works, yet be so opinionated at the same time.Dude, it's like wishing for a million dollars or for Obama to use the PATRIOT Act to remove all Republicans from power. It's not going to happen and never can happen.