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Title: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 04, 2016, 09:43:02 pm
Personally, I'd rather they not be forced to accommodate gay people. The more people that Christians (and every other religion for that matter) alienate, the better.
Ah, beating the "religion is evil" drum again?  I could explain why that's a ludicrously simplistic viewpoint, but you'd probably just plug your ears.
Not "evil", but it is an inherently bad thing.
How so?
Because it's a worldview that's based solely on blind faith for the sake of blind faith. That's the problem. It not only makes massive claims about everything from the origin of the universe to how you should behave in your day to day life based on nothing of any sort of substance, but it also fosters a culture where beliefs based on blind faith rather than critical thinking and evidence is something that should be not just respected, but even admired. Ergo, religion is indeed a bad thing, and humanity as a whole would indeed be better off without it.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 04, 2016, 09:46:34 pm
Personally, I'd rather they not be forced to accommodate gay people. The more people that Christians (and every other religion for that matter) alienate, the better.
Ah, beating the "religion is evil" drum again?  I could explain why that's a ludicrously simplistic viewpoint, but you'd probably just plug your ears.
Not "evil", but it is an inherently bad thing.
How so?
Because it's a worldview that's based solely on blind faith for the sake of blind faith. That's the problem. It not only makes massive claims about everything from the origin of the universe to how you should behave in your day to day life based on nothing of any sort of substance, but it also fosters a culture where beliefs based on blind faith rather than critical thinking and evidence is something that should be not just respected, but even admired. Ergo, religion is indeed a bad thing, and humanity as a whole would indeed be better off without it.

Do you think we'd be better off still living as hunter-gatherers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-brad-hirschfield/did-religion-create-civil_b_865500.html)?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 04, 2016, 10:20:02 pm
Personally, I'd rather they not be forced to accommodate gay people. The more people that Christians (and every other religion for that matter) alienate, the better.
Ah, beating the "religion is evil" drum again?  I could explain why that's a ludicrously simplistic viewpoint, but you'd probably just plug your ears.
Not "evil", but it is an inherently bad thing.
How so?
Because it's a worldview that's based solely on blind faith for the sake of blind faith. That's the problem. It not only makes massive claims about everything from the origin of the universe to how you should behave in your day to day life based on nothing of any sort of substance, but it also fosters a culture where beliefs based on blind faith rather than critical thinking and evidence is something that should be not just respected, but even admired. Ergo, religion is indeed a bad thing, and humanity as a whole would indeed be better off without it.

Do you think we'd be better off still living as hunter-gatherers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-brad-hirschfield/did-religion-create-civil_b_865500.html)?

Red herring. You assume that's a hard fact, rather than yet another competing theory on the origin of cities. Even assuming it is fact for a moment, you still assume religion is the only possible mechanic by which cities could form. That without it, there's be no other means for early humans to build cities.

As is standard fare for you, you've not actually addressed anything I've said. Let me simplify it for you. Tell me why blind faith for the sake of blind faith is not an inherently bad thing to base one's worldview on.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2016, 10:21:49 pm
Do you think we'd be better off still living as hunter-gatherers (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-brad-hirschfield/did-religion-create-civil_b_865500.html)?
That's an interesting thesis, religion however predates urban civilisation.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 04, 2016, 10:36:27 pm
For the record, UP has been banned. So, will not be responding to this thread anymore.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 04, 2016, 10:53:54 pm
Really? Why has he been banned?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Ironchew on July 04, 2016, 11:02:54 pm
It's the end of an era.

Shame it had to be right now, though. I always got a kick out of the anti-theism threads.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 04, 2016, 11:05:53 pm
Really? Why has he been banned?

Me being tired of his bullshit.

More specifically, I have good reason to believe he used sockpuppets. And is generally annoying to deal with in various ways to the point my giving him the benefit of the doubt on that ran short.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: dpareja on July 04, 2016, 11:08:08 pm
I guess that means we'll have to start talking about things that aggravate old British Tories, then.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Skybison on July 04, 2016, 11:18:21 pm
I can't deny that part of me will miss paragon.

Well not really, but I will miss mocking him.  Him and his LIEberals, cousinbrother, emotional typing...

Ah well I'm sure he'll fine some other group to harass and annoy.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2016, 11:21:29 pm
Sigma, dude. Now we'll have to start talking about things that matter.

Coherently even, and not while drunk.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 04, 2016, 11:25:33 pm
Really? Why has he been banned?

Me being tired of his bullshit.

More specifically, I have good reason to believe he used sockpuppets. And is generally annoying to deal with in various ways to the point my giving him the benefit of the doubt on that ran short.

By "good reason", do you mean actual proof? Because if not, why was he not banned back when he created his account? Because plenty of people had good reason to believe he was Dynamic Dragon returned.

As for him being annoying, how is that relevant? Please don't be the kind of admin who looks for excuses to ban anyone they don't like. We got enough of that bullshit under Keiro's illustrious reign.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 04, 2016, 11:40:32 pm
Really? Why has he been banned?

Me being tired of his bullshit.

More specifically, I have good reason to believe he used sockpuppets. And is generally annoying to deal with in various ways to the point my giving him the benefit of the doubt on that ran short.

By "good reason", do you mean actual proof? Because if not, why was he not banned back when he created his account? Because plenty of people had good reason to believe he was Dynamic Dragon returned.

As for him being annoying, how is that relevant? Please don't be the kind of admin who looks for excuses to ban anyone they don't like. We got enough of that bullshit under Keiro's illustrious reign.

I had passable reasons then, but I was willing to see how things went. I got better reasons over time, and more so recently. There was no sharp moment of deduction that pushed me over the edge, but eventually I took stock of the situation and realised that if I'd known all I know now when he first showed up I would have banned him right then.

Him annoying me is what pushed me to examine everything above and ask myself why I was putting up with him and realise I had no good reasons left. Maybe I'm biased against UP. I'm not ruling that out. I'm also not losing sleep over it, to be perfectly honest.

I continue to not ban people just because they annoy me, though.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2016, 11:42:28 pm
So his annoyingness was the impetus behind your taking stock of the evidence, but it wasn't the reason for the ban? More or less right?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: davedan on July 05, 2016, 01:20:00 am
Well if he was either DD or using sock-puppets we can expect him back when he get's sufficiently bored.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 05, 2016, 01:27:42 am
Sad to see him go. His endless attempts to convince the forum of GamerGate's righteousness were wonderfully entertaining after a long day of work.

I expect you all to provide equal entertainment in the future. Mark my words.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 05, 2016, 01:43:37 am
This is a wake isn't it, is it a wake?

We are gathered here today to mourn the passing of a true liberals profile here, not like you LIEberal bastards with no ethics! Your cousinbrothercatsbestmate would be ashamed.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 05, 2016, 07:19:18 am
I am gonna miss him but now we can actually discuss images instead if having him spam  so fast no one gets a word in edgewise.

Ironbite-let us have a moment of silence for the man who's head was always up his own ass
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Even Then on July 05, 2016, 09:30:25 am
I wake up and check FQA. I have a private message from UP. I try to respond, but can't. Then I find out that UP got banned.

Wow, what a morning.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Sleepy on July 05, 2016, 09:52:12 am
Are you willing/able to give us more details on the sockpuppets he used, Sigma? People here have been debating that for ages, and it'd be interesting to know the extent of his dishonesty.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 05, 2016, 11:39:37 am
I propose that we all get along like the mentally stable and well behaved adults we are and rather than pick on someone we use the forum to discuss matters of interest and occasionally debate them in a firm but polite manner.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 05, 2016, 12:19:08 pm
Mentally stable?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 05, 2016, 12:37:29 pm
I object!
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 05, 2016, 12:42:37 pm
Mentally stable?

What?
(http://www.ascrewsloose.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Horse_Stables.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 05, 2016, 01:48:37 pm
I propose that we all get along like the mentally stable and well behaved adults we are and rather than pick on someone we use the forum to discuss matters of interest and occasionally debate them in a firm but polite manner.

I propose no

Also, which sockpuppets was he using? I really don't recall many posters here that seemed to be in cahoots with him. And what is this recent evidence you got that pushed him into the world of ban-land?

Not that I am objecting to his ban: I still believe he's dynamic dragon based on the same evidence I had that Brain fritz was Chi (similar posting styles, argued the same points, similar writing, and from the same state as the prior handle). But to I was under the impression that the mods didn't care about the new handle and were content to cover for him not being Dynamic Dragon.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 05, 2016, 02:12:53 pm
I propose that we all get along like the mentally stable and well behaved adults we are and rather than pick on someone we use the forum to discuss matters of interest and occasionally debate them in a firm but polite manner.

I propose no

Also, which sockpuppets was he using? I really don't recall many posters here that seemed to be in cahoots with him. And what is this recent evidence you got that pushed him into the world of ban-land?

Not that I am objecting to his ban: I still believe he's dynamic dragon based on the same evidence I had that Brain fritz was Chi (similar posting styles, argued the same points, similar writing, and from the same state as the prior handle). But to I was under the impression that the mods didn't care about the new handle and were content to cover for him not being Dynamic Dragon.

The sockpuppets were Dynamic Dragon et al. I suspected but was not sure that they were the same person, which is why I didn't ban him then.

He has other fake identities (e.g. leonardofernando, the guy on KiA that outed Even) but I'm not banning him for those. They just convinced me that continuing to assume all the similarities were coincidences was not plausible.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 05, 2016, 02:17:40 pm
I propose that we all get along like the mentally stable and well behaved adults we are and rather than pick on someone we use the forum to discuss matters of interest and occasionally debate them in a firm but polite manner.

I propose no

Also, which sockpuppets was he using? I really don't recall many posters here that seemed to be in cahoots with him. And what is this recent evidence you got that pushed him into the world of ban-land?

Not that I am objecting to his ban: I still believe he's dynamic dragon based on the same evidence I had that Brain fritz was Chi (similar posting styles, argued the same points, similar writing, and from the same state as the prior handle). But to I was under the impression that the mods didn't care about the new handle and were content to cover for him not being Dynamic Dragon.

The sockpuppets were Dynamic Dragon et al. I suspected but was not sure that they were the same person, which is why I didn't ban him then.

He has other fake identities (e.g. leonardofernando, the guy on KiA that outed Even) but I'm not banning him for those. They just convinced me that continuing to assume all the similarities were coincidences was not plausible.

Fair enough. Though, what dark arts and black magic did you use to find out he was LeonardoFernando of KiA?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 05, 2016, 02:29:40 pm
I propose that we all get along like the mentally stable and well behaved adults we are and rather than pick on someone we use the forum to discuss matters of interest and occasionally debate them in a firm but polite manner.

I propose no

Also, which sockpuppets was he using? I really don't recall many posters here that seemed to be in cahoots with him. And what is this recent evidence you got that pushed him into the world of ban-land?

Not that I am objecting to his ban: I still believe he's dynamic dragon based on the same evidence I had that Brain fritz was Chi (similar posting styles, argued the same points, similar writing, and from the same state as the prior handle). But to I was under the impression that the mods didn't care about the new handle and were content to cover for him not being Dynamic Dragon.

The sockpuppets were Dynamic Dragon et al. I suspected but was not sure that they were the same person, which is why I didn't ban him then.

He has other fake identities (e.g. leonardofernando, the guy on KiA that outed Even) but I'm not banning him for those. They just convinced me that continuing to assume all the similarities were coincidences was not plausible.

Fair enough. Though, what dark arts and black magic did you use to find out he was LeonardoFernando of KiA?

The entrails of a goat.

Also found someone under the same name repeating UP's points on tumblr, active at the same times. Who cares so much about UP he spontaneously decided to claim they weren't the same person, even though I had not told him anything about suspecting they were, I had just told UP to reflect about our previous interactions. And when asked who he actually is failed to produce an answer, even though we know he has an account on FQA.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: SCarpelan on July 05, 2016, 02:33:29 pm
He was LeonardoFernando? Huh. I didn't think he could be any more disappointing. With all the other lies I could understand his motivations but in this case it still was illogical if he truly believed everything he said about his cause. Based on his stubbornness on the issue I assume he is one and not just a troll. A true believer's mind truly is an enigma. On the other hand, so is a true idiot's. When you combine those two...
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: niam2023 on July 05, 2016, 02:43:13 pm
How utterly disappointing. I was expecting some grand schism and crisis of faith on his part, but I suppose after "LeonardoFernando" failed to post back the answer should have become radiantly obvious.

Farewell to this idiotic nonsense then. And good riddance - It That Shall Not Be Dignified With A Name has FAR overstayed its welcome.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 05, 2016, 03:39:11 pm
Yeah now we can get back to the real mission of FQA.

Ironbite-cannibalism!

ETA:  Just had to link this just to prove how pathetic he really is.

http://ironbite4.tumblr.com/post/146959631508/ultimate-paragon-here-ive-apparently-been

Ironbite-amazing.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: davedan on July 05, 2016, 06:02:46 pm
Feel free to hate me crackers.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Svata on July 05, 2016, 06:13:26 pm
Just don't hate the cannibalism
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 05, 2016, 06:38:52 pm
Feel free to hate me crackers.

Who can hate a cute little avatar like yours?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: dpareja on July 05, 2016, 06:56:19 pm
Feel free to hate me crackers.

Hardtack sucks.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 05, 2016, 07:29:03 pm
A guy who uses multiple sockpuppets to dishonestly convince us that a notorious army of sockpuppet users are on the side of the angels, cherry on top he also sanctimoniously argues for Christian virtue.

Also, he's likely reading this thread plotting his next move...
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 05, 2016, 08:46:41 pm
rip in pieces

now who the fuck is supposed to make all the threads now?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: davedan on July 05, 2016, 08:59:18 pm
Feel free to hate me crackers.

Hardtack sucks.

What the fuck is hardtack you maple syrup drinking moose fucker

Feel free to hate me crackers.
Chipmunks are assholes.

I concur. Chipmunks fuck me off. Nothing a squirrel hates more than a chipmunk. I mean I prefer Canadians to Chipmunks or even Lizards.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 05, 2016, 09:44:51 pm
Guize, Guizes! I havs a confession. I two am a dynamic dragon sockpuppet.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: niam2023 on July 05, 2016, 10:07:30 pm
You all ran right for UltimateParagon, and yet you missed the most influential foe in your history!

TIS I, SKYFIRE!!!!!
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: SCarpelan on July 05, 2016, 10:09:47 pm
(Accidentally posted to LGBT thread)

I'm starting to suspect this forum is just Dynamic Dragon's sockpuppets arguing with each other to fuck with lurkers.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: niam2023 on July 05, 2016, 10:13:08 pm
...psst, you're not supposed to say that outloud, Paragon.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: davedan on July 05, 2016, 10:25:40 pm
Given Sigma's revelation, I think these two posts are now my favourites from UP, even though they weren't made on our forum;

Quote
[–]Ultimate_Paragon 1 point 9 days ago

Who the fuck are you? I want you to 'fess up, right now!

See, your screenshots came from a part of the site that can only be viewed by registered users. So I know you have an account there.

Quote
[–]Ultimate_Paragon 1 point 9 days ago

Goddammit, I wanted to see how this went! I want to know who you are on FQA, you bastard.

I find it particularly funny as Dynamic Dragon also argued with his own sockpuppet.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: SCarpelan on July 05, 2016, 10:31:44 pm
I found it amusingly overblown and theatrical even when I gave him the benefit of a doubt that he wasn't Leonardo. He was so obviously playing to us who were lurking in the thread.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 05, 2016, 11:03:16 pm
Given Sigma's revelation, I think these two posts are now my favourites from UP, even though they weren't made on our forum;

Quote
[–]Ultimate_Paragon 1 point 9 days ago

Who the fuck are you? I want you to 'fess up, right now!

See, your screenshots came from a part of the site that can only be viewed by registered users. So I know you have an account there.

Quote
[–]Ultimate_Paragon 1 point 9 days ago

Goddammit, I wanted to see how this went! I want to know who you are on FQA, you bastard.

I find it particularly funny as Dynamic Dragon also argued with his own sockpuppet.

Yeah, that was something I noticed too: the tough guy act seemed so...Not-paragon. It definitely raised a red flag.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 06, 2016, 12:25:16 am
...And now he is pestering Sigmaleph on Tumblr. UP has been given so many fresh chances and he has always gone back to the same old tricks again and again. At some point it does not matter how much you beg and swear that you've changed your ways, crying wolf too many times means that you will never again be seen as trustworthy.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: dpareja on July 06, 2016, 12:31:14 am
...oh, man, that's pathetic.

I don't know if you can read this, UP or Leonardo or whatever name you prefer, but give it up. Seriously.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2016, 01:32:31 am
...And now he is pestering Sigmaleph on Tumblr. UP has been given so many fresh chances and he has always gone back to the same old tricks again and again. At some point it does not matter how much you beg and swear that you've changed your ways, crying wolf too many times means that you will never again be seen as trustworthy.

Quote
mysteriousconcernedcitizen asked: Okay, I got an account to talk about FQA with you. Just thought I'd let you know.

"Mysterious concerned citizen", gawd he continues to be comedy gold even after his wake. What does that remind me of, hang on.

(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/frozen-memes-let-it-go/let-it-go-frozen.png)
That's it.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 06, 2016, 01:49:19 am
Quote
mysteriousconcernedcitizen asked: Okay, I got an account to talk about FQA with you. Just thought I'd let you know.

"Mysterious concerned citizen", gawd he continues to be comedy gold even after his wake. What does that remind me of, hang on.

(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/frozen-memes-let-it-go/let-it-go-frozen.png)
That's it.

Ah yes, that reminds me of the time I told him this gem (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=6993.msg289920#msg289920) about goobergate

Quote from: The Queen
Paragon, do me a favor: beg your mom for $20, ride your bicycle to Wal-mart, go to the electronics section, purchase the movie Frozen, ride your bicycle home, wait until your mom goes to bed, put the movie in your DVD player, watch it, and LET IT GO

If only he'd listen :'(
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 06, 2016, 04:37:22 am
...And now he is pestering Sigmaleph on Tumblr. UP has been given so many fresh chances and he has always gone back to the same old tricks again and again. At some point it does not matter how much you beg and swear that you've changed your ways, crying wolf too many times means that you will never again be seen as trustworthy.

Quote
mysteriousconcernedcitizen asked: Okay, I got an account to talk about FQA with you. Just thought I'd let you know.

"Mysterious concerned citizen", gawd he continues to be comedy gold even after his wake. What does that remind me of, hang on.

(http://www.relatably.com/m/img/frozen-memes-let-it-go/let-it-go-frozen.png)
That's it.

Oh that's not UP/DD.  That's Lizard trying to get old people back for...reasons.

Ironbite- reasons I have no idea about
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Even Then on July 06, 2016, 08:14:53 am
Welp, UP found my Tumblr too. (http://bendin-in-the-wind.tumblr.com/post/146991976827/paragon-is-now-banned-on-fqa-and-gamergate-is-now)
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 06, 2016, 08:29:58 am
Mine as well
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Even Then on July 06, 2016, 08:41:29 am
And now he's trying to deflect with something he said on another forum like a year ago. (https://leonandofernardo.tumblr.com/) What even is his rationale anymore?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 06, 2016, 08:50:09 am
He di bring up a good point though, we could reallow GG discussions now if anyone bothers to talk about it.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2016, 09:21:11 am
He di bring up a good point though, we could reallow GG discussions now if anyone bothers to talk about it.
Unless it makes the news again, not sure why we should bother. Meaning the actual GG thread.

Question though, if Art's Ethical Issues in Gaming thread stumbles on any of the usual suspects in the great ongoing GG soap opera, Sarkeesian, Quinn, Jimquisition et al can they be mentioned in that thread if it's topical? In discussing writers and bloggers who have critiqued social issues in gaming or ethical practices on Steam Greenlight for example.

Pretty sure it isn't going to go boom without a resident GG zealot to throw a shitfit.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 06, 2016, 09:45:11 am
Makes me glad I either don't have a Tumblr, or I've long since forgotten if I even had one, at all.  If he somehow manages to bug me on the other places I frequent, I'm...gonna be a little irate.  Especially if he tries thru friggin FF.net.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 06, 2016, 09:49:27 am
Mine as well

To be fair to him, you didn't exactly make it hard.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 06, 2016, 10:18:51 am
I don't make any of my social media hard to find.

Ironbite-like at all
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2016, 10:29:29 am
Signed on to tumblr about a year ago, keeps on saying it's sending me a confirmation email that never gets through. Ah well.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Random Gal on July 06, 2016, 01:40:48 pm
Just don't hate the cannibalism

*noms on Svata*
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 06, 2016, 06:02:00 pm
I think the best part of his message to me is he thinks GooblyGook will no longer be discussed.  I guess he couldn't figure out that it was because of him it got restricted to Flame and Burn and now can flurish free where we can just ignore it even more!
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2016, 07:18:41 pm
I think the best part of his message to me is he thinks GooblyGook will no longer be discussed.  I guess he couldn't figure out that it was because of him it got restricted to Flame and Burn and now can flurish free where we can just ignore it even more!
Nah, it's just a rather tragic "I meant to do that". Poor git.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 06, 2016, 08:44:24 pm
I think the best part of his message to me is he thinks GooblyGook will no longer be discussed.  I guess he couldn't figure out that it was because of him it got restricted to Flame and Burn and now can flurish free where we can just ignore it even more!
Nah, it's just a rather tragic "I meant to do that". Poor git.

My response to Paragon's banning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiIwQr5QdZk

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Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 06, 2016, 11:47:58 pm
And now he's bringing up my ex and also stating I'm in a game dropping pipe bombs for XP run by someone in a happy marriage.  That's half true actually.  Magicdealer is in a happy marriage but I'm throwing acid as I'm a Wizard not an Alchemist.

Ironbite-also Sigma you might wanna do a more through bug cleaning as UP/DD still has sock puppets running loose.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 06, 2016, 11:57:49 pm
And now he's bringing up my ex and also stating I'm in a game dropping pipe bombs for XP run by someone in a happy marriage.  That's half true actually.  Magicdealer is in a happy marriage but I'm throwing acid as I'm a Wizard not an Alchemist.

Ironbite-also Sigma you might wanna do a more through bug cleaning as UP/DD still has sock puppets running loose.

Wow, what a punk bitch.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: niam2023 on July 07, 2016, 12:16:44 am
You think he was even telling the truth about his religion?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 07, 2016, 01:50:34 am
You think he was even telling the truth about his religion?
That Gamergate, Christianity or True Liberalism?

I'm still unclear at this point.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: niam2023 on July 07, 2016, 02:01:25 am
You think he was even telling the truth about his religion?
That Gamergate, Christianity or True Liberalism?

I'm still unclear at this point.

Yes.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 07, 2016, 02:19:20 am
You think he was even telling the truth about his religion?
That Gamergate, Christianity or True Liberalism Lieberalism?

I'm still unclear at this point.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: fancy_kitten on July 11, 2016, 01:42:29 pm
Awh did Ultimate Paragon seriously get banned?  He was one of the people I was looking forward to seeing.

Welp time to disappear for two years again.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: fancy_kitten on July 11, 2016, 01:54:06 pm
Hello Lizard, I'm pretty sure I remember you too since I just read through my own post history.  Over two years I've given up my cringey allegiance to SJ and learned grammar, how are you?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 11, 2016, 02:42:32 pm
Awh did Ultimate Paragon seriously get banned?  He was one of the people I was looking forward to seeing.

Welp time to disappear for two years again.

Weren't you that person who proposed having a massive forum meet-up in a hotel room to do a shit ton of drugs?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 11, 2016, 02:53:02 pm
Well I got radicalized by Ferguson and cringe at myself constantly.

Edit: heck, I'm probably one of, if not the most embarrassing member of this forum.

No I am! I'm weeb trash, a college failure in a dead end job, and worst of all, I liked Final Fantasy XIII.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 11, 2016, 02:58:59 pm
Awh did Ultimate Paragon seriously get banned?  He was one of the people I was looking forward to seeing.

Welp time to disappear for two years again.

Weren't you that person who proposed having a massive forum meet-up in a hotel room to do a shit ton of drugs?
Wouldn't that apply to, like, half our membership?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: fancy_kitten on July 11, 2016, 03:03:03 pm
Well I got radicalized by Ferguson and cringe at myself constantly.

Edit: heck, I'm probably one of, if not the most embarrassing member of this forum.

I can relate, don't feel too bad though.

Weren't you that person who proposed having a massive forum meet-up in a hotel room to do a shit ton of drugs?

I'm glad that this is what people remember me for rather than my strong SJW tendencies.  Yeah that was me, I was kind of joking though.  I say "kind of" because I really did believe that if I opened with something big I might be able to entice at least a couple of you to come smoke weed with me.  That offer is still good, btw.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 11, 2016, 04:10:56 pm
I wouldn't be opposed to holding an FQA meet up. It might be neat to put some faces to the names here (or I could just read the member picture thread.... that I've posted in myself), but obviously randomly meeting up in a hotel is a bit on the sketchy side.

That said:

I liked Final Fantasy XIII.

Ugh, I can't believe I liked you and thought you were a contributing member of our community.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: fancy_kitten on July 11, 2016, 04:18:06 pm
I wouldn't be opposed to holding an FQA meet up. It might be neat to put some faces to the names here (or I could just read the member picture thread.... that I've posted in myself), but obviously randomly meeting up in a hotel is a bit on the sketchy side.


I think my original plan was to meet somewhere in the wilderness of Colorado.

Edit: Also, it just occurred to me that since I'm just now showing up after UP got banned it's possible that I could be suspected of being him.  Oops?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Ironchew on July 11, 2016, 04:47:37 pm
Edit: Also, it just occurred to me that since I'm just now showing up after UP got banned it's possible that I could be suspected of being him.  Oops?

It's a little eyebrow-raising if you keep your posts centered around UP, but we have a more simple litmus test:

fancy_kitten, what are your opinions on feminism and the state of political correctness in America?

EDIT: Not a direct question. Just that if you were UP risen again, you'd be chomping at the bit to expound on those two things.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: fancy_kitten on July 11, 2016, 04:55:32 pm
Edit: Also, it just occurred to me that since I'm just now showing up after UP got banned it's possible that I could be suspected of being him.  Oops?

It's a little eyebrow-raising if you keep your posts centered around UP, but we have a more simple litmus test:

fancy_kitten, what are your opinions on feminism and the state of political correctness in America?

EDIT: Not a direct question. Just that if you were UP risen again, you'd be chomping at the bit to expound on those two things.

Lol yeah I was kind of half-joking about that.  My main reason for being interested in this thread has to do with one of my reasons for liking this board in general: even though it's generally based around religious skepticism, we're generally cool with/willing to hang out with people of faith as long as they aren't asshats, ergo I was a little concerned about why exactly he was banned. 

That being said, now that I've had a few minutes to do my research on him, pedochan and the gaming movement which shall not be named can both eat a soggy nut. 

If that doesn't convince you, I'm pretty sure that fact that my rural Ohio IP address is nothing like his and isn't commonly used as a proxy should do the trick.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 11, 2016, 05:18:55 pm
Edit: Also, it just occurred to me that since I'm just now showing up after UP got banned it's possible that I could be suspected of being him.  Oops?

It's a little eyebrow-raising if you keep your posts centered around UP, but we have a more simple litmus test:

fancy_kitten, what are your opinions on feminism and the state of political correctness in America?

EDIT: Not a direct question. Just that if you were UP risen again, you'd be chomping at the bit to expound on those two things.

To complicated: the real test is "Do you post here?" Because believe it or not, we are all Ultimate paragon sockpuppets.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Ironchew on July 11, 2016, 05:45:21 pm
Edit: Also, it just occurred to me that since I'm just now showing up after UP got banned it's possible that I could be suspected of being him.  Oops?

It's a little eyebrow-raising if you keep your posts centered around UP, but we have a more simple litmus test:

fancy_kitten, what are your opinions on feminism and the state of political correctness in America?

EDIT: Not a direct question. Just that if you were UP risen again, you'd be chomping at the bit to expound on those two things.

To complicated: the real test is "Do you post here?" Because believe it or not, we are all Ultimate paragon sockpuppets.

True. But I'll still deny it at every opportunity.

Truce?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 11, 2016, 06:06:30 pm
Wait I have to go make another thread screaming at another sock puppet.  Because 1 wasn't enough.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 30, 2016, 12:25:54 pm
What's the word on UP? Has he given up on us or is he still crying over Tumblr begging for another chance?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Even Then on July 30, 2016, 07:32:34 pm
Latest post is this (https://leonandofernardo.tumblr.com/post/147152056617/ultimate-paragon-here-ive-apparently-been#notes). Leonando "Definitely Not UP" Fernardo is currently trying to pass off a screenshot of the forum as some sort smoking gun (of whom, I've no idea - he seems to have deleted some of his posts)... while conspicuously blocking the "(X visible)" bit from the user tracker.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 30, 2016, 09:47:20 pm
What's the word on UP? Has he given up on us or is he still crying over Tumblr begging for another chance?

When have you ever known Paragon to give up on something?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: davedan on July 30, 2016, 10:09:10 pm
I don't really speak 'Tard but is he suggesting that Leonardo Fernando is one of Ironchew, Eki-mun or Dpareja?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 30, 2016, 11:04:55 pm
I don't really speak 'Tard but is he suggesting that Leonardo Fernando is one of Ironchew, Eki-mun or Dpareja?

Yes, despite having clearly whited out the "hidden users." I know that since his ban, he has been on the forums at time, and I also know that Miles' profile is hidden. I doubt Miles would do this, so yeah, Paragon is.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: georgemilson on July 30, 2016, 11:21:11 pm
I'm just gonna be a butt real fast for a second and break my lurking to ask...why is my account being watched? I'm not going to lie and hide my intentions - I promised myself that I would never post here again, but seeing how things continue has been...interesting and cathartic, to say the least. I'm thankful that people have respected my wishes to be left alone (unlike last time), but seeing this has put me at a mite of unease.

I'm not assuming that you're doing anything wonked with the info, and I genuinely don't want to sound accusatory (if anything, I would be angrier at whoever told you than you, and if you guys are having sockpuppet issues then I guess it would be understandable) but I would honestly like to know... Queen, why do you know that I've been browsing here hidden?

(also going to take a moment to state the obvious - I'm not Leonardo, my main purpose in lurking here is to pop in every now and again before work to see if something silly has happened or popping in if a friend has mentioned something silly happening. Otherwise my attachment to this place has basically become nil and I spend more time playing anime trash games or watching Gordon Ramsay than anything else.)
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 30, 2016, 11:26:31 pm
I'm just gonna be a butt real fast for a second and break my lurking to ask...why is my account being watched? I'm not going to lie and hide my intentions - I promised myself that I would never post here again, but seeing how things continue has been...interesting and cathartic, to say the least. I'm thankful that people have respected my wishes to be left alone (unlike last time), but seeing this has put me at a mite of unease.

I'm not assuming that you're doing anything wonked with the info, and I genuinely don't want to sound accusatory (if anything, I would be angrier at whoever told you than you, and if you guys are having sockpuppet issues then I guess it would be understandable) but I would honestly like to know... Queen, why do you know that I've been browsing here hidden?

(also going to take a moment to state the obvious - I'm not Leonardo, my main purpose in lurking here is to pop in every now and again before work to see if something silly has happened or popping in if a friend has mentioned something silly happening. Otherwise my attachment to this place has basically become nil and I spend more time playing anime trash games or watching Gordon Ramsay than anything else.)

I was looking for a post of yours a while back via your profile, and I noticed that you were on more recently than I remembered (IDK why, but the names at the bottom of the page stick out to me). That, combined with the rarity of hidden posters nowadays made me realize that you were one of them. Then, after seeing LeoDouchebag FernAsshole's post a while back, I made my profile hidden just to see whether it was what the white box would hide (which it was). Just something I stumbled upon and remembered for no odd reason in particular.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 30, 2016, 11:27:10 pm
Miles, you're a good guy. I think you'd be just about the LAST person we'd assume was a Dragon/Paragon/Leonardo sockpuppet.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: georgemilson on July 30, 2016, 11:36:14 pm
I'm just gonna be a butt real fast for a second and break my lurking to ask...why is my account being watched? I'm not going to lie and hide my intentions - I promised myself that I would never post here again, but seeing how things continue has been...interesting and cathartic, to say the least. I'm thankful that people have respected my wishes to be left alone (unlike last time), but seeing this has put me at a mite of unease.

I'm not assuming that you're doing anything wonked with the info, and I genuinely don't want to sound accusatory (if anything, I would be angrier at whoever told you than you, and if you guys are having sockpuppet issues then I guess it would be understandable) but I would honestly like to know... Queen, why do you know that I've been browsing here hidden?

(also going to take a moment to state the obvious - I'm not Leonardo, my main purpose in lurking here is to pop in every now and again before work to see if something silly has happened or popping in if a friend has mentioned something silly happening. Otherwise my attachment to this place has basically become nil and I spend more time playing anime trash games or watching Gordon Ramsay than anything else.)

I was looking for a post of yours a while back via your profile, and I noticed that you were on more recently than I remembered (IDK why, but the names at the bottom of the page stick out to me). That, combined with the rarity of hidden posters nowadays made me realize that you were one of them. Then, after seeing LeoDouchebag FernAsshole's post a while back, I made my profile hidden just to see whether it was what the white box would hide (which it was). Just something I stumbled upon and remembered for no odd reason in particular.

Makes sense. Forgive me if I came across as standoffish, but past experience has made me wary of this sort of thing...I suppose I'm still very paranoid. Either way, I really appreciate the upfront answer and I thank you for being forthcoming. It puts my mind at ease.

I suppose I should probably go back to just lurking again, or else the tantrum I threw when I last left is gonna pop back into my head. Thank you again for letting me know, Queen.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 30, 2016, 11:59:00 pm
There's quite a bit of paranoia going around because of our dear departed UltiemateDragoFernando.

I don't doubt that UP won't let this go, but I'd also caution against suspecting every lurker or new poster of being UP. Yes, UP is obsessive but he's also not particularly bright. If (or when) he does sneak back in here he'll stand out like dogs balls while trying to look surreptitious.

Or, he'll figure out that there's an entire internets worth of Disqus/Twitter/Reddit type sites where he can concern troll about alt-right manufactured outrages to folks who he'll never convince and who'll give him the verbal abuse he so craves. In any case, why give him the satisfaction of fighting each other over him? I'm pretty sure we can find plenty else to talk about.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 12:53:32 am
There's quite a bit of paranoia going around because of our dear departed UltiemateDragoFernando.

I don't doubt that UP won't let this go, but I'd also caution against suspecting every lurker or new poster of being UP. Yes, UP is obsessive but he's also not particularly bright. If (or when) he does sneak back in here he'll stand out like dogs balls while trying to look surreptitious.

Or, he'll figure out that there's an entire internets worth of Disqus/Twitter/Reddit type sites where he can concern troll about alt-right manufactured outrages to folks who he'll never convince and who'll give him the verbal abuse he so craves. In any case, why give him the satisfaction of fighting each other over him? I'm pretty sure we can find plenty else to talk about.

I will be honest, I crave to discover what ever it is that makes him tick. You would think after a few weeks of being everybody's intellectual bitch all the time, he'd give up and move on. But no, he stayed for 3 years doubling down on the stupid every chance he got.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2016, 01:21:40 am
Latest post is this (https://leonandofernardo.tumblr.com/post/147152056617/ultimate-paragon-here-ive-apparently-been#notes). Leonando "Definitely Not UP" Fernardo is currently trying to pass off a screenshot of the forum as some sort smoking gun (of whom, I've no idea - he seems to have deleted some of his posts)... while conspicuously blocking the "(X visible)" bit from the user tracker.

He deleted some of his posts because his claims of having been just a random Redditer who found this site when googling for EvEv didn't work because some of the timeline was messed up and he revealed knowing stuff that he wasn't supposed to know when he made up some other lie.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: SCarpelan on July 31, 2016, 06:44:04 am
While my level of caring about him and the whole minor drama is near to zero I was curious enough to make a simple google search back when he was banned. I don't think anyone is surprised that this is not the first forum he was banned because of his GG obsession - his nick came up in a wiki about another forum. I have no idea how he took that ban since I didn't care enough to make the effort to try to find out.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 01:10:44 pm
While my level of caring about him and the whole minor drama is near to zero I was curious enough to make a simple google search back when he was banned. I don't think anyone is surprised that this is not the first forum he was banned because of his GG obsession - his nick came up in a wiki about another forum. I have no idea how he took that ban since I didn't care enough to make the effort to try to find out.

I couldn't find any wiki, but I found this thread that likes to mock us. (https://kiwifar.ms/threads/fqa-frequently-questioned-answers.20321/) The board appears to be a bunch of pro-gamergate, lolbertarian edgelords. They say that I can't be a good law-person because I don't explain stuffs very good. Little do they know, I am not a lawyer, but a layperson paying a lawyer $250 an hour to give me good legal jargon to drop in conversation to make me feel smart. Jokes on them.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Skybison on July 31, 2016, 01:48:55 pm
I noticed they used the phrase "Chimp Out" which I'm only familiar with from a defunct racist website full of unimaginably terrible people. 

Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: SCarpelan on July 31, 2016, 02:34:40 pm
Yeah, I found that kiwifarms thread, too. I think I considered posting about it somewhere on this forum but thought it might just cause needless drama.

The wiki page I meant is http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php?id=offtopic:black_october

The actual search result that referred me there is a Gator hub thread (http://gamergate.community/t/alternatehistory-net-bans-gamergate-supporters-and-forbids-discussion-of-it/852) with a dead link to the page. I found current URL to the page with the wiki's search function.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 02:42:01 pm
Yeah, I found that kiwifarms thread, too. I think I considered posting about it somewhere on this forum but thought it might just cause needless drama.

The wiki page I meant is http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php?id=offtopic:black_october

The actual search result that referred me there is a Gator hub thread (http://gamergate.community/t/alternatehistory-net-bans-gamergate-supporters-and-forbids-discussion-of-it/852) with a dead link to the page. I found current URL to the page with the wiki's search function.

Wow, he really couldn't stop talking about it, could he?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2016, 02:42:45 pm
Well I agree with the Kiwi's that we have had a history of infighting and some horrible people on the forums as well. But that's about it. They complain that we aren't as racist and islamophobic as they are and then they suddenly go and claim that we are too arrogant and holier-than-thou while doing just the same.

...Which even if it does have a point is really ironic when you see how they act.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Zygarde on July 31, 2016, 02:44:22 pm
I'm just glad they didn't mention me. (maybe I'm not that big to be a blip on the radar.)
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 02:52:23 pm
I'm just glad they didn't mention me. (maybe I'm not that big to be a blip on the radar.)

Kind of goes with my answer in the question thread; you don't rock the boat and you know how to play well with others, which I do not.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: dpareja on July 31, 2016, 02:58:34 pm
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...Sigmaleph was left as the forum admin (The aforementioned genderweird autistic who thinks 'autisgender' actually has merit).
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Zygarde on July 31, 2016, 03:05:18 pm
I never got why these people think being autistic is such a bad thing. (this coming from a person with Aspergers.)
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 31, 2016, 03:13:26 pm
I never got why these people think being autistic is such a bad thing. (this coming from a person with Aspergers.)

Consider that KiwiFarms began as the CWCki, and you may see why.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2016, 03:14:52 pm
They also seem to be saying that being trans is bad and were horrified at Spuki talking about her fantasies. There were also other points where they seem to think that having fetishes or writing about them is automatically bad.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 31, 2016, 03:20:40 pm
They also seem to be saying that being trans is bad and were horrified at Spuki talking about her fantasies. There were also other points where they seem to think that having fetishes or writing about them is automatically bad.

Kiwifarms has a culture of "not sharing too much information" or, as they call it, powerleveling. Putting information about your fantasies or fetishes on the internet is, to them, quite mockable, since a skilled enough social engineer can trace that back to your real name and do some damage.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Svata on July 31, 2016, 03:21:12 pm
Yeah, noticed a lot of hate for transpeople. Don't understand that.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 31, 2016, 03:25:22 pm
Yeah, noticed a lot of hate for transpeople. Don't understand that.

If you lurk around for a bit, you'll find that the majority of their experience with transgender individuals is with, from their perspective (and you can argue otherwise if you want, I'm not getting into that discussion), unrepentant assholes who happen to reside on Tumblr. Dragondicks is the main example that comes to mind, along with the ever popular idislikecispeople and purplekecleon.

You will also notice many people there claiming to be trans themselves. Your mileage may vary on whether that's true or not. Again, I'm not getting into that discussion.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2016, 03:34:15 pm
They also seem to be saying that being trans is bad and were horrified at Spuki talking about her fantasies. There were also other points where they seem to think that having fetishes or writing about them is automatically bad.

Kiwifarms has a culture of "not sharing too much information" or, as they call it, powerleveling. Putting information about your fantasies or fetishes on the internet is, to them, quite mockable, since a skilled enough social engineer can trace that back to your real name and do some damage.

Meh, "hiding your powerlevel" is a silly concept. Kink-shaming is bad and if someone digs up my porn preferences and the erotic fiction that I have written and emails it to my boss or relatives then who's the creepy one here: Me or the dude who scoured internet for my embarrassing writings and then went through the trouble to find my acquaintances and share that info with them?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 31, 2016, 03:41:01 pm
They also seem to be saying that being trans is bad and were horrified at Spuki talking about her fantasies. There were also other points where they seem to think that having fetishes or writing about them is automatically bad.

Kiwifarms has a culture of "not sharing too much information" or, as they call it, powerleveling. Putting information about your fantasies or fetishes on the internet is, to them, quite mockable, since a skilled enough social engineer can trace that back to your real name and do some damage.

Meh, "hiding your powerlevel" is a silly concept. Kink-shaming is bad and if someone digs up my porn preferences and the erotic fiction that I have written and emails it to my boss or relatives then who's the creepy one here: Me or the dude who scoured internet for my embarrassing writings and then went through the trouble to find my acquaintances and share that info with them?

I ain't defending, I'm explaining.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2016, 03:49:28 pm
I know, didn't mean to attack you. Sorry if it seemed like that.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 03:52:15 pm
I know, didn't mean to attack you. Sorry if it seemed like that.

Quit bullying Eiki. You don't know how to play well with others; you're in time out, Mister!

/me does the time-out, ref hand-gesture and promises cool points to peeps catching the reference.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2016, 03:55:58 pm
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/02/14/117D243B000005DC-0-image-a-11_1449066619445.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 31, 2016, 04:34:50 pm
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...Sigmaleph was left as the forum admin (The aforementioned genderweird autistic who thinks 'autisgender' actually has merit).


Not sure why they claim I identify as autistic tbh.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2016, 04:37:50 pm
Oh, Kiwi Farms, how you never cease to amuse me with your existence. It's ironic that in some ways, they become exactly what they like to mock: people that are easy to laugh at because of how they use the Internet.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 04:38:51 pm
Oh, Kiwi Farms, how you never cease to amuse me with your existence. It's ironic that in some ways, they become exactly what they like to mock: people that are easy to laugh at because of how they use the Internet.

You mean, the forum isn't dedicated to breeding Aussies? Well rustle my jimmies.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2016, 04:48:15 pm
Oh, Kiwi Farms, how you never cease to amuse me with your existence. It's ironic that in some ways, they become exactly what they like to mock: people that are easy to laugh at because of how they use the Internet.

You mean, the forum isn't dedicated to breeding Aussies? Well rustle my jimmies.

OH NO! Kiwis are from New Zealand, not Australia. I think confusing the two is a horrible insult in those regions. You may have to watch out for drop bears or Hobbits or whatever the New Zealanders have that they use as weapons.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2016, 04:49:52 pm
Wait, according to Kiwi Farms, shouldn't we be at each other throats over that and rage quitting?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 31, 2016, 04:53:35 pm
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!  They bring up me trolling the forums after Nappygate in order to get bonus XP for a game Nappy was running that died pretty damn quick after awhile.  Like 2 weeks after that.

Ironbite-oh boy that's funny.  Also Buck Bumblefuck is UP.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 04:55:35 pm
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!  They bring up me trolling the forums after Nappygate in order to get bonus XP for a game Nappy was running that died pretty damn quick after awhile.  Like 2 weeks after that.

Ironbite-oh boy that's funny.  Also Buck Bumblefuck is UP.

I wouldn't go around willy nilly calling people Paragon. Even if they're the same poster, that's a mean thing to call Mr. Buck
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 31, 2016, 05:06:56 pm
True.

Also a lot of his information is so outdated/flat out wrong that it's not funny.  Like Gomer and Lady Rene never actually lived with one another as far as I know.  Just did Thespian Talk together for a bit before she kinda...vanished into the ether.  The whole Kiero stuff as well can only be remembered by old members.  The Sugergate stuff and of course the screenshots of Flame and Burn.  Makes me wonder exactly who he is.

Ironbite-I mean besides the obvious Dynamic Paragon link.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2016, 05:08:04 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if he was Paragon, but I'm gonna need more than your word, Ibbles.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 31, 2016, 05:11:30 pm
Yeah so would I.  It just feels...right ya know?

I mean UP was only banned what a few weeks ago and this fuck comes up with a thread on May 3rd.  So if it was Ultimate Dragon, he had to have known his welcome was about to be worn out and he'd be given the boot or something.  But we all know Dynamic Paragon loves to make socks in order to stalk.  So whoever Bumblefuck is, he's either a looooooooooooooooooooooong time lurker or another Dynamic sock.

Ironbite-time will tell if he ever comes over here to defend himself.  Or we get "raided"
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 05:30:16 pm
Yeah so would I.  It just feels...right ya know?

I mean UP was only banned what a few weeks ago and this fuck comes up with a thread on May 3rd.  So if it was Ultimate Dragon, he had to have known his welcome was about to be worn out and he'd be given the boot or something.  But we all know Dynamic Paragon loves to make socks in order to stalk.  So whoever Bumblefuck is, he's either a looooooooooooooooooooooong time lurker or another Dynamic sock.

Ironbite-time will tell if he ever comes over here to defend himself.  Or we get "raided"

God dammit, I hope we don't get raided. We just got rid of paragon, do we really need this drama?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 31, 2016, 05:31:46 pm
Would liven the place up a bit.

Also if Bumblebuck isn't UP, he's definitely Leo the Carpet Bagger.  That guy who showed up claiming to have planned UP's ultimate defeat or whatever.  Just smells right to me.

Ironbite-but I admit I have no evidence as of yet.  If I can be assed, I'd look into it but as of right now it's an amusing distraction on the road to the grave.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2016, 05:32:35 pm
Jumping to the conclusion that he's Paragon would be like if we jumped to the conclusion that he's Nappy. Nappy has a grudge with FQA and has admitted to lurking for the sake of laughing at us in the past. So, while I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be Paragon, I doubt he is and will do so until I see actual proof.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 31, 2016, 05:33:59 pm
Nappy honestly could give shit 2 about us these days.  I think he's more focused on his schooling and being a good husband to....Aqua I wanna say?  Forget who he married.

Ironbite-Though if he turns out to be Dynamic Paragon I will laugh and laugh and laugh all the way to beating his fool head in.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 05:36:42 pm
Jumping to the conclusion that he's Paragon would be like if we jumped to the conclusion that he's Nappy. Nappy has a grudge with FQA and has admitted to lurking for the sake of laughing at us in the past. So, while I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be Paragon, I doubt he is and will do so until I see actual proof.

Naw, Nappy doesn't do that. I think Lithp just said that as a joke because a lot of people thought Nappy was up to something, and Lithp wanted to have some fun because in Lithp's words he didn't have a duty to assuage the board's paranoia. That thread is highly critical of Vene, Myself, Oriet, and Magni. Definitely not anyone from HRG section.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2016, 05:42:50 pm
However, my point stands. I'm not accusing anyone of being Buck Bumble. I just think it's conclusion jumping to assume he's Paragon.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 31, 2016, 05:49:53 pm
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So, who's up for a raid? These guys sound like they could be fun to flame, given how autistic they are with recognizing sarcasm.

Yes, we'll be totally wrekt by edgy, spotty dorks showing up and trying to "trigger" is saying le edgy things like "chimp out". Oh...noes.

Wankers.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 05:53:57 pm
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So, who's up for a raid? These guys sound like they could be fun to flame, given how autistic they are with recognizing sarcasm.

Yes, we'll be totally wrekt by edgy, spotty dorks showing up and trying to "trigger" is saying le edgy things like "chimp out". Oh...noes.

Wankers.

God dammit, are we really gonna get rationalized?
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2016, 05:55:15 pm
At this point, I kind of HOPE they try to raid us. We've gotten to the point where all that'll happen is that the forum will have a few dozen spam threads until Sigma shows up and deletes them. It would be a pain in the ass for her, but the rest of us would just be mildly annoyed.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 05:56:57 pm
At this point, I kind of HOPE they try to raid us. We've gotten to the point where all that'll happen is that the forum will have a few dozen spam threads until Sigma shows up and deletes them. It would be a pain in the ass for her, but the rest of us would just be mildly annoyed.

Yeah, but then they'll talk about Gamergate, and I thought that was behind us.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 31, 2016, 06:00:14 pm
Yeah, but then they'll talk about Gamergate, and I thought that was behind us.

True, but the attempts at trolling would probably be so obvious that it wouldn't do anything for anyone except annoy us with spam.

Side note: I'd love to be able to discuss GamerGate with people of varying opinions on the matter because it is a subject that continues to fascinate me, but we've seen how toxic discussions regarding it pretty much always devolve to being and how irritating it is when the brick wall decides that he's completely right and everyone else just needs to be educated on it.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 31, 2016, 06:06:46 pm
At this point, I kind of HOPE they try to raid us. We've gotten to the point where all that'll happen is that the forum will have a few dozen spam threads until Sigma shows up and deletes them. It would be a pain in the ass for her, but the rest of us would just be mildly annoyed.

Yeah, but then they'll talk about Gamergate, and I thought that was behind us.
The original GG thread was squished but I suppose they could.

And end up covering themselves in as much glory as the original representative from GGs Foreign Office.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: The_Queen on July 31, 2016, 06:07:06 pm
Yeah, but then they'll talk about Gamergate, and I thought that was behind us.

True, but the attempts at trolling would probably be so obvious that it wouldn't do anything for anyone except annoy us with spam.

Side note: I'd love to be able to discuss GamerGate with people of varying opinions on the matter because it is a subject that continues to fascinate me, but we've seen how toxic discussions regarding it pretty much always devolve to being and how irritating it is when the brick wall decides that he's completely right and everyone else just needs to be educated on it.

Yeah, but like you said, it always winds up the same with GynophobicGuys crying that Anita is a lying slut, Brianna Wu is a tranny, Zoe is a cheating whore who took five guys at once on Gjoni's mother's grave on the anniversary of her death, and Leslie Jones is a "fat black bitch" who is violating Milo's Freeze Peach.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on July 31, 2016, 06:23:53 pm
Yeah, but then they'll talk about Gamergate, and I thought that was behind us.

True, but the attempts at trolling would probably be so obvious that it wouldn't do anything for anyone except annoy us with spam.

Side note: I'd love to be able to discuss GamerGate with people of varying opinions on the matter because it is a subject that continues to fascinate me, but we've seen how toxic discussions regarding it pretty much always devolve to being and how irritating it is when the brick wall decides that he's completely right and everyone else just needs to be educated on it.

The Gooblygook squashing was pretty much because of Dynamic Paragon.  It was just clogging up way to much of the forum with stupid shit and an inability to admit ones point wasn't meshing with reality.  I mean I suppose we can get back to discussing it like rational adults but does anybody really care about it?  I don't.  And if Ultimate Dragon hadn't posted about it I'm pretty sure none of us would even have cared about it.

Ironbite-as is I do find it amusing some of it's more strident supporters happen to be black holes of suck and don't realize it.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 31, 2016, 07:57:38 pm
At this point, I kind of HOPE they try to raid us. We've gotten to the point where all that'll happen is that the forum will have a few dozen spam threads until Sigma shows up and deletes them. It would be a pain in the ass for her, but the rest of us would just be mildly annoyed.

Yeah, but then they'll talk about Gamergate, and I thought that was behind us.

Ha. Good joke.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 31, 2016, 08:41:35 pm
GG's just a permanent staple of the web right now, it's like those banner ads of flashing gifs and comely women they just sort of exist hanging there malevolently.

And just like banner ads the more dodgy the corner of the internet is, the more they take over the page.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: Skybison on August 01, 2016, 01:35:07 am
I mean UP was only banned what a few weeks ago and this fuck comes up with a thread on May 3rd.  So if it was Ultimate Dragon, he had to have known his welcome was about to be worn out and he'd be given the boot or something.

I don't think he had enough self awareness to realize that.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: davedan on August 01, 2016, 05:32:15 am
I know this is a bit sad but could they bring back Nautical? I miss chatting to a guy who was going to exorcise people over the internet.

Edit: Also I don't think Buck Bumble is Paragon because he seems to be really focused on stuff that happened long before. Bit weirded out how he got screenshots of texts between Cait and Damen. Makes me glad that I am in fact a biscuit in real life.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: ironbite on August 01, 2016, 05:53:10 am
Cait and Damn have a Tumblr through which they post their wacky text convos about shit.

Ironbite- it's fun
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: davedan on August 01, 2016, 05:58:13 am
Ok that's a relief so its just from someone obsessing hard over them.
Title: Re: Ultimate Paragon vs. Antitheism: Round 2
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 01, 2016, 07:24:34 am
To be fair, some of those texts (I skimmed em) were kinda cringey.