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Title: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on December 29, 2015, 07:44:34 pm
I thought I'd go ahead and restart the Things People Say thread (with a slightly more accurate name, although I'll change it back into the old one if that bugs people), since apparently it died?

Quote from: tumblr user mr-cappadocia
Because the original statement wasn’t even just “should” have gay characters.. but WELL WRITTEN.

And that’s well written… according to who again?

See how that handful of soil isn’t just a handful anymore? Now… now there’s expectations… and there’s “well written”… and what’s next? What other “reasonable demand” is going to be made to suit “social expectations”?

(some other shit)

But see… if you think writers need to be “taught to write respectfully-written characters” then you’re the fucking enemy and I don’t think there’s much of any way to reach you.

I learned something today. I learned that it is morally abhorrent to say that mainstream fiction could stand to improve in the field of non-heterosexual representation, and that asking for well-written non-hetero characters is unreasonable.

(Context (http://rationalsjdiscussions.tumblr.com/post/136125829829/fun-fact-you-can-and-should-always-include-well))
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on December 29, 2015, 07:47:07 pm
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10462486_1711646502408435_3954810386743479068_n.jpg?oh=69cf7c11bdfc1711134d96f277b0bc4c&oe=57118A18)

i thought phrenology died out in the XIXth century...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 29, 2015, 11:06:36 pm
Negroidoid.  ;D
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on December 29, 2015, 11:08:57 pm
The original drawing and descriptions are really old, but legit; it's how forensic techs and anthropologists begin to identify bodies. Male and female skull morphology differs, too.

And, note how much BIGGER the "Negroidoid" brain case is? Funny, the racist twit who wrote the diss lacked the cranial capacity to see that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on December 30, 2015, 09:57:46 am
Negroidoid.  ;D

I remember learning about the formal names for the different groups in school back in the 80's.  The teacher started listing them and the guy sitting beside me pipes up with "I'm a Chinkazoid."  ;D As you can imagine, that joke stuck around for a while... like years.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on December 30, 2015, 10:22:18 am
And, note how much BIGGER the "Negroidoid" brain case is? Funny, the racist twit who wrote the diss lacked the cranial capacity to see that.

Or he's not getting enough oxygen.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 30, 2015, 12:46:12 pm
I read that as "Negrodroid"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 30, 2015, 02:43:04 pm
"Negrodroid"

...That better be the name of a cheap blacksploitation SciFi film.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on December 30, 2015, 02:58:57 pm
I don't really get what "blaxploitation" means as a genre. I tried to look it up and apparently it's a subgenre of "exploitation films"... but "exploitation films" is so broad that I'm even more confused.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2015, 03:01:17 pm
I think the basic premise of a blaxploitation movie is that the character is black to make them appear cool.  Bonus points for having them use the term "jive suckah."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on December 30, 2015, 03:09:36 pm
Yay something I know a good deal of info about! So blaxploitation a sub-genera of exploitation films is basically a weird invention of the 70's It was based off the rather prevalent crime subculture that existed in Black culture and often had themes of a lone person going against "the man" or more specifically either corrupt and racist cops (something that black people had to and still deal with.)  Or some other person in a position of power, it also involved creation of black version of classic films such as Blacula and Blackenstein being the most famous examples.  It sort of died down by the mid 80's but it had a rather large impact on black culture even in modern times.

Blaxplotation also gave us Dolomite which is just...weird. So yeah that's all I know and remember from looking stuff up about the sub genera
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: lord gibbon on December 30, 2015, 03:18:12 pm
Wasn't the most popular of the films Shaft?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 30, 2015, 04:28:31 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2eaqaef.jpg)

Because it makes perfect sense that Chris Farley would fake his own death so he could take part in a false flag fifteen years later.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on December 30, 2015, 04:40:04 pm
I have been vocally ranting at my computer screen for 15+ minutes because this shit is just so bad. (Very long, read only if you didn't feel like being happy today)

(click to show/hide)

What's worst about this is that some of it actually touch upon issues that men face. It's just that that, along with the rest of it, is coated in puerile MGTOW garbage.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 30, 2015, 04:59:15 pm
Wasn't the most popular of the films Shaft?
Yeah, those were the classics that started the genre.


...Then it was followed by a bunch of really cheap and bad films. Which was not the intention.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 30, 2015, 05:16:27 pm
Wasn't the most popular of the films Shaft?
Yeah, those were the classics that started the genre.


...Then it was followed by a bunch of really cheap and bad films. Which was not the intention.

Not all of them were bad.  Black Caesar was pretty good.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on December 30, 2015, 09:07:49 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2eaqaef.jpg)

Because it makes perfect sense that Chris Farley would fake his own death so he could take part in a false flag fifteen years later.

Yeah, like someone who wanted to fake his death would not change his hairdo but would reshape his skull. Uh huh.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 01, 2016, 12:47:51 am
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/2lkd8rc.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 01, 2016, 12:52:58 am
Who's the person on the left?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 01, 2016, 12:55:23 am
Who's the person on the left?

Serena Williams, I think.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Murdin on January 03, 2016, 04:52:15 am
The whole purpose of saying blacks can only be prejudiced is for the persual of an anti-white agenda. Its just one part of a larger movement to attack whites for nearly everything
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 03, 2016, 10:50:11 pm
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My sentiment towards trannies is thusly.

You're sick.

"You need help. Instead of cutting off your dick or sewing your cunt shut, why don't you try, I don't know, taking some of the appropriate hormonal augmentation as per what you ARE, as opposed to what you FEEL LIKE as a direct result of your PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER."

Why is that trans people are so keen on altering their bodies instead of altering their minds?

Is it that you're afraid you won't be 'you' anymore once the problem is fixed, once your sickness is cured?

You don't have to be afraid.

Your whole argument falls apart from there - its not about changing your bodies to suit your mind, you should try changing your mind to suit your body.

We have technology.

You don't have to be sick anymore Anon.

We can help you, without any surgery at all.

You are sick.

You FEEL like something that you are NOT, and will NEVER be, BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK.

Instead of STAYING SICK and surgically/hormonally altering yourself to FEED INTO YOUR SICKNESS, you should get WELL, by taking hormonal augmentation that will OVERCOME YOUR SICKNESS and let you FEEL like what you ARE.

Face it transfags…

You're just upset that people don't support you mutilating yourself for the sake of your psychological disorder, and instead urge you to take medication that will FIX THE PROBLEM.

(Its because you don't want to admit you have a problem. Like a fucking addict.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 04, 2016, 01:15:24 am
me, skating past this skidmark while drinking a gogurt: gender is a social construct (and while I'm at it, so is the concept of either/or binary sex), but what is not a social construct is the fact you're being a piece of shit to people whose experiences don't affect you in the slightest
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 04, 2016, 02:29:54 am
Gender roles are a social construct. Gender itself is not, and sex most certainly is not.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 04, 2016, 10:42:05 am
(http://i.imgur.com/bSAPx82.png)

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Add blacklivesmatter to it, seriously. It's mostly white people with a guilt conscious of shit they didn't even fucking do....
Then the crap of disrupting colleges and pulling shit like the KKK were allowed on campus and throw bricks at them with a police escort. That fucking movement did more to hurt race relations than anything in 50 years.

The first thing is mostly alright.  I disagree with some of it (3rd wave feminism is unfairly demonized, there are legitimate reasons for trigger warnings and safe spaces, and I don't have a problem with moderate fat acceptance activism), but it's not that bad.

The second, on the other hand, is just plain ridiculous.  Yes, some people involved in Black Lives Matter suck, but that doesn't make the entire movement bad.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on January 04, 2016, 10:50:03 am
Yeah, I mostly featured it for the second.

Even if I didn't like BLM I'm still not dumb enough to say it was worse than the drug war or southern strategy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 04, 2016, 11:31:11 am
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My sentiment towards trannies is thusly.

You're sick.

"You need help. Instead of cutting off your dick or sewing your cunt shut, why don't you try, I don't know, taking some of the appropriate hormonal augmentation as per what you ARE, as opposed to what you FEEL LIKE as a direct result of your PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER."

Why is that trans people are so keen on altering their bodies instead of altering their minds?

Is it that you're afraid you won't be 'you' anymore once the problem is fixed, once your sickness is cured?

You don't have to be afraid.

Your whole argument falls apart from there - its not about changing your bodies to suit your mind, you should try changing your mind to suit your body.

We have technology.

You don't have to be sick anymore Anon.

We can help you, without any surgery at all.

You are sick.

You FEEL like something that you are NOT, and will NEVER be, BECAUSE YOU ARE SICK.

Instead of STAYING SICK and surgically/hormonally altering yourself to FEED INTO YOUR SICKNESS, you should get WELL, by taking hormonal augmentation that will OVERCOME YOUR SICKNESS and let you FEEL like what you ARE.

Face it transfags…

You're just upset that people don't support you mutilating yourself for the sake of your psychological disorder, and instead urge you to take medication that will FIX THE PROBLEM.

(Its because you don't want to admit you have a problem. Like a fucking addict.)

I am fascinated by this asshole who thinks "we have the technology". Mate, we can't even modify sexual orientations reliably and you think giving extra T to a transwoman will somehow make her a cis man.

(also terrified by the idea of "fix your mind, not your body". I am my mind. Replacing it with a sufficiently different mind is not fundamentally different from killing me)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 04, 2016, 06:40:32 pm
(http://i2.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/starwarscuckballCensored2900.png)

Just to be clear the white squares cover porn showing the similarities between Rey's stick and black penis.  Because WHITE GENOCIDE!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 04, 2016, 06:44:18 pm
Ah yes, who can forget the leading stars of African-American representation that are Luke Skywalker and Han Solo.

Ah, when will the Star Wars franchise feature a role model for that most undercut of groups; the white male?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 04, 2016, 06:50:32 pm
their fascination with black penises makes me uncomfortable for some reason... i've never seen somebody drool so hard on penises outside of pornhub before.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 04, 2016, 07:16:32 pm
In case anyone can't read the text in the picture:

"The white female audience is conditioned to identify with the heroic female with her 'cuck staff' shaped like a large black member grasped at hand at all times.  They must be conditioned to become attracted to the Black male lead."

"Who is the white male audience supposed to identify with?  Simple, the little white CUCK BALL.  The nebbish quiet white beta orbiter character attaches itself to the white female lead but is almost sold off (unsuccessfully) at one point.  It is forced to watch the romance unfold."

"A generation of young girls will dress up as Rey with her black staff, psychologically priming them to seek men like the black male lead.  Millions of future white babies will be wiped out by this and all other cultural conditioning assault as white males are demonized.  White males = Angry pathological white supremacists/christian villains."

What I'm getting from this is they wanted Rey to bang the robot ball because it was painted white, or something.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 04, 2016, 07:36:07 pm
"Cuck" as a word has lost all of its meaning. And if this particular subset of straight white male audience is drawn to balls, maybe there's another issue lying within.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 04, 2016, 08:12:40 pm
God damn it, is it really too much to ask for spoilers? AGAIN, some of us haven't seen the god-damned movie yet!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 04, 2016, 08:53:46 pm
God damn it, is it really too much to ask for spoilers? AGAIN, some of us haven't seen the god-damned movie yet!

don't worry, aside from the images, it's just white supremacists masturbating. no spoilers.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 04, 2016, 09:03:55 pm
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 04, 2016, 09:44:03 pm
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cataclysm on January 04, 2016, 11:34:35 pm
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THIS IS A REAL TWEET PEOPLE.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GroverNorquist/status/683425783470239744
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 04, 2016, 11:43:03 pm
In all fairness to Gov. Norquist, we speak English the way Hatians speak French.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 04, 2016, 11:50:17 pm
In all fairness to Gov. Norquist, we speak English the way Hatians speak French.

Gov.? I don't believe Norquist's been Governor of anything.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 04, 2016, 11:52:04 pm
In all fairness to Gov. Norquist, we speak English the way Hatians speak French.

if i may be a pedant, the main difference between american and british is accent...

regarding the tweet: XD politicians... the things they say...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 05, 2016, 12:23:45 am
I thought it was kind of clever... wait, he IS being sarcastic, no?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 05, 2016, 12:30:57 am
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 05, 2016, 12:58:17 am
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I wasn't complaining just pointing out that the character didn't fit the narrative that the poster was trying to portray.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 05, 2016, 03:41:21 am
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I wasn't complaining just pointing out that the character didn't fit the narrative that the poster was trying to portray.

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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 05, 2016, 04:16:16 am
Clearly this means that the white race is being cucked by society.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 05, 2016, 08:20:44 pm
(https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/944337_989364534456752_7405357692580389659_n.jpg?oh=9a933410b1be64797c09560d086f8574&oe=570D7ED6)

THIS IS A REAL TWEET PEOPLE.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GroverNorquist/status/683425783470239744

*facenovas*
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 05, 2016, 08:28:05 pm
I thought it was kind of clever... wait, he IS being sarcastic, no?

never underestimate the lack of intelligence in government officials and politicians. until somebody proves that this was said in jest, i'm believing he believes that firmly.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 05, 2016, 08:55:35 pm
I don't know Grover's position on Gun Control, if he follows the rest of his party it wasn't very clever sarcasm but rank stupidity. This is the guy who came up with the republican pledge not to raise taxes.

Edit: However it isn't much of a surprise that Grover turned out to be a dedicated shill. I mean given his parents clearly hated him something was bound to happen.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on January 05, 2016, 09:54:45 pm
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12438978_10153727286511163_1249209706067299662_n.jpg?oh=013454261c27e74f944f42c099deee3a&oe=5747DA72)

Not shown for the top picture: The literally THOUSANDS of peaceful protesters, the disproportionate police response, the unarmed man murdered by police officers, the comments making racist comments and trying to say that Grey deserved to die and was justly punished without a trial, the media completely ignoring the peaceful protests, the literally centuries of racial tension.

Not shown for the bottom picture: The excessive favor from the federal government the ranchers already receive, the treasonous occupation of a federal building with practically no police or military response, the practically non-existent media coverage, what little coverage there is being completely watered down.

Not to mention that this is a blatant false equivalency.

Isn't it funny what context can do to show how idiotic these kinds of things are?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 07, 2016, 11:58:00 pm
Here's some asswipe trying to justify child sexual abuse:

https://archive.is/fNuQO (https://archive.is/fNuQO)

For those who can't use the archive, here you go:

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But in simple terms the answer to your question is no. Infact the main study that attempted to answer a clearly defined version of your question concluded that child sex abuse does not cause intense & pervasive harm & is in numerous cases positive

I really hope this is a troll.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 08, 2016, 06:43:19 pm
I know I don't respond to UP's posts all that often but didn't we have a moron arguing that child porn was a victimless crime on the forums at one point?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 08, 2016, 06:47:34 pm
I know I don't respond to UP's posts all that often but didn't we have a moron arguing that child porn was a victimless crime on the forums at one point?
Did we? I've heard the argument that hentai depicting kids is a victimless crime (the argument being that drawn/cgi porn depicting things that would be illegal in real life let the people who have a fetish for them blow out some steam without harming real people) but I'm not sure if we had someone saying that real child porn is a victimless crime. (But now that you mention it, it does ring a bell...)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 08, 2016, 08:27:47 pm
TIGERHUNTER!  THAT'S WHO IT WAS!

http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=2891.msg100878#msg100878

Ironbite-I didn't make this thread it just got credited to me because of how the split worked.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sleepy on January 09, 2016, 10:24:30 am
I think Tiger's other argument was that child porn images should not be removed from the internet because they serve to satisfy people who are looking for them and lessen the demand for new images. Something like that? It was a dark thread.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 09, 2016, 02:24:10 pm
He was for creating a child porn industry because molesting a child was wrong but distributing images of the molestation was not
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 09, 2016, 07:17:32 pm
He was for creating a child porn industry because molesting a child was wrong but distributing images of the molestation was not

... that raises the question of how the hell he wanted to create the cp industry without molesting children, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 09, 2016, 07:19:05 pm
He was for creating a child porn industry because molesting a child was wrong but distributing images of the molestation was not

... that raises the question of how the hell he wanted to create the cp industry without molesting children, doesn't it?

It's an ouroboros of unlogic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 10, 2016, 06:52:53 pm
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Of course the mockery of the Victims of the Dresden Holocaust is beyond despicable, but you just gotta realize these worthless people will say anything outrageous for attention. People so stupid should have no access to your emotions.

Though as the article wanders, the Third Reich is referred to here as "monstrously inhuman tyranny". That doesn't sound like alternative-right, that sounds like mainstream kosher-right.

I'm just curious if you think Bolshevik Communism was bad, and National Socialism was bad, then what exactly would you like to see emerge? You can't just complain about everything and then call it a day. There must be some constructiveness brought to the conversation.

Had Germany become the continental superpower and not the Soviet Union, I think the world would be a much better place today.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on January 10, 2016, 11:27:48 pm
Some of the comments in response to this girl's video are frustrating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0cXBxpjQfw

tldr; she was staying with some host family in Japan who kicked her out because she broke some arbitrary curfew... by 20 minutes... on her first day.  This happened because she took the wrong train, but the woman she was staying with wouldn't hear it.  While most people think the hosts were total cuntnuggets, she has a surprising number of those calling her a spoiled princess who thinks the rules don't apply to her.  As if she's the one being unreasonable and not the hosts being so unflexible with their arbitrary rules. 

Edit: Fixed Link. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on January 11, 2016, 12:23:31 am
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Of course the mockery of the Victims of the Dresden Holocaust is beyond despicable, but you just gotta realize these worthless people will say anything outrageous for attention. People so stupid should have no access to your emotions.

Though as the article wanders, the Third Reich is referred to here as "monstrously inhuman tyranny". That doesn't sound like alternative-right, that sounds like mainstream kosher-right.

I'm just curious if you think Bolshevik Communism was bad, and National Socialism was bad, then what exactly would you like to see emerge? You can't just complain about everything and then call it a day. There must be some constructiveness brought to the conversation.

Had Germany become the continental superpower and not the Soviet Union, I think the world would be a much better place today.

I dunno. How about not mass-murdering?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 11, 2016, 03:10:33 am
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Of course the mockery of the Victims of the Dresden Holocaust is beyond despicable, but you just gotta realize these worthless people will say anything outrageous for attention. People so stupid should have no access to your emotions.

Though as the article wanders, the Third Reich is referred to here as "monstrously inhuman tyranny". That doesn't sound like alternative-right, that sounds like mainstream kosher-right.

I'm just curious if you think Bolshevik Communism was bad, and National Socialism was bad, then what exactly would you like to see emerge? You can't just complain about everything and then call it a day. There must be some constructiveness brought to the conversation.

Had Germany become the continental superpower and not the Soviet Union, I think the world would be a much better place today.

I dunno. How about not mass-murdering?
Aside from everything else that is wrong here I wish to point out that people have no obligation to always have a solution to a problem when they notice a problem. I mean, if I were to notice that the engine in my car is making a funny noise and take it to repair the repairman is not going to insist that I tell him how to fix it. And if I notice that the Super-SS are rounding up people and killing them based on ethnicity I could complain, that this ain't right, and even if I don't have a perfect plan for a better kind of government it would still be a legitimate complaint about the politics in my country.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 11, 2016, 12:01:47 pm
I love the implication that the only two systems that can exist are Bolshevik Communism and National Socialism. Yeah, that sure describes the world today doesn't it.

The alt-right is weird. Fascinating, but weird.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on January 11, 2016, 05:09:51 pm

This is one of many comments to that girl who's host family in Japan kicked her out over being 20 minutes late. 

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And why did the mistress treat you so rudely when you broke her curfew?  Because inconsiderate gaijin like you think they know the transit line but don't and get in late.  She has a schedule to keep but instead, you made her keep yours.  She was responsible for you and most assuredly, fairly used to sassy, disobedient, tourists like you.  Sorry doesn't cut it in the real world where you are expected to respect the rules and accept them like an adult.  So she was overbearing and unforgiving.  To her, you.....were......typical.  Gathering your wits at the police station, you cry because you are feeling sorry for yourself.  "In what world..." you question.  In the REAL world.  You're so smart, you leave the house less than 2 hours you're supposed to be back at and you have no idea where you're going and how to get back.  (smile, giggle, snicker, snigger!)  You can do no wrong.  Who solves your problem?  Daddy and another Japan national who was put out so that little princess can have the nicest room she's ever been in.  Typical reward for your mistakes.  Everyone else pays but you.  Only the woman who clearly spelled out the rules, is wrong!  Nothing but your standard, Westerner brat mentality of, "POOR MEEEE!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 11, 2016, 07:34:03 pm
That comment brings great dishonour to his/her family
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 11, 2016, 08:56:09 pm

This is one of many comments to that girl who's host family in Japan kicked her out over being 20 minutes late. 

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And why did the mistress treat you so rudely when you broke her curfew?  Because inconsiderate gaijin like you think they know the transit line but don't and get in late.  She has a schedule to keep but instead, you made her keep yours.  She was responsible for you and most assuredly, fairly used to sassy, disobedient, tourists like you.  Sorry doesn't cut it in the real world where you are expected to respect the rules and accept them like an adult.  So she was overbearing and unforgiving.  To her, you.....were......typical.  Gathering your wits at the police station, you cry because you are feeling sorry for yourself.  "In what world..." you question.  In the REAL world.  You're so smart, you leave the house less than 2 hours you're supposed to be back at and you have no idea where you're going and how to get back.  (smile, giggle, snicker, snigger!)  You can do no wrong.  Who solves your problem?  Daddy and another Japan national who was put out so that little princess can have the nicest room she's ever been in.  Typical reward for your mistakes.  Everyone else pays but you.  Only the woman who clearly spelled out the rules, is wrong!  Nothing but your standard, Westerner brat mentality of, "POOR MEEEE!"

A comment from a weeaboo defending a living stereotype?  Not surprised.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on January 12, 2016, 01:40:50 am
Yeah, the "it's their culture to be colossal twats" defense. 

There's also the assumption that because she's a middle class white girl, she's sheltered and doesn't know what real hardship is.  Then when she experiences does hardship (such as being lost in a foreign country), they consider it a taste of brutal reality.  Makes me wonder how they adopted such a cynical viewpoint.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 12, 2016, 09:17:46 am
Yeah, the "it's their culture to be colossal twats" defense. 

There's also the assumption that because she's a middle class white girl, she's sheltered and doesn't know what real hardship is.  Then when she experiences does hardship (such as being lost in a foreign country), they consider it a taste of brutal reality.  Makes me wonder how they adopted such a cynical viewpoint.

They're bored, middle class white kids turned edgelords.  It makes them feel relevant.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2016, 03:15:09 pm
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I know how Brazil could have been better:

1) No colonization by anyone from the Iberian Peninsula, or any Catholic nation. Is there any Catholic former colony that isn't a poverty-striken dump?

2) Instead colonized by ideally the British, or alternatively the Dutch or French. Ideally not the Belgiums or other small time powers like the Danes, who won't have the power to rule such a territory, nor take it successfully through a peacefully transition to Dominion status.

3) Settled by non-Mediterranean European protestant stock, Brits, French, Dutch, Germans, etc. What is it about the Catholics, sun and kind weather that makes a man settle for corrupt government and layabout living?

These three above would put Brazil on track to become a normal, western-type nation akin to Canada or Australia. Meanwhile, every nation south of Texas colonized by Iberians is a corrupt, poverty-striken sh#thole. With possible exception of Costa Rica, as their founders had the sense to eschew the establishment of a national military, with its fat, power-seeking generals et al.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 12, 2016, 03:28:17 pm
why am i not surprised that this idiot doesn't know france is catholic? or that for half their life the dutch were a spanish dominion, and thus technically catholic as well? granted, not to the extent of france or spain, but still, it was catholic on paper, with a big tolerance edict towards protestantism. not to mention that protestantism dates back to barely 1529. this means that according to these fools, technically all of the americas are indeed catholic. the usa included, because you know... the louisiana purchase (catholic), the fact that spain owned 2/3rd of the continental usa... the germans were unified in the XIXth century, so that makes no sense whatsoever, and even in 1618, you were hard-pressed to call all of germany protestant. (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantisme#/media/File:HolyRomanEmpire_1618.png)

this took me typing "protestantism" on google and reading the first article. geez... so much hate for the catholics. big talk coming from heretics that less colonized and more fled in terror.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on January 12, 2016, 03:35:00 pm
geez... so much hate for the catholics.

And that's a bad thing?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 12, 2016, 03:50:55 pm
Guizonde, minor nitpick but Protestantism began in Germany by Martin Luther, it just took a while to really spread. (Ok, there were other important figures involved as well but being a Lutheran, a sect of Christianity that was inspired by Martin Luther I kinda think of him as a "big deal.")

So whoever that guy UP quoted was they did pick countries that eventually became heavily protestant but in order to be colonized by protestants Brazil would have had to be colonized at a later time or the colonization would have had to been done by early protestants. (That latter bit might have actually been possible if they had been fleeing Europe to settle somewhere with less Catholics. Hmm... Alternate history story material? I'm not sure how big a difference it would have made but seeing as Catholic church is influential in South America it does get my interest. Orthodox Christian settlers colonizing America could have also made the countries quite different.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 12, 2016, 03:58:04 pm
geez... so much hate for the catholics.
And that's a bad thing?
In this case, yes, due to it being nothing more than religious dick waving.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 12, 2016, 04:23:27 pm
Guizonde, minor nitpick but Protestantism began in Germany by Martin Luther, it just took a while to really spread. (Ok, there were other important figures involved as well but being a Lutheran, a sect of Christianity that was inspired by Martin Luther I kinda think of him as a "big deal.")

So whoever that guy UP quoted was they did pick countries that eventually became heavily protestant but in order to be colonized by protestants Brazil would have had to be colonized at a later time or the colonization would have had to been done by early protestants. (That latter bit might have actually been possible if they had been fleeing Europe to settle somewhere with less Catholics. Hmm... Alternate history story material? I'm not sure how big a difference it would have made but seeing as Catholic church is influential in South America it does get my interest. Orthodox Christian settlers colonizing America could have also made the countries quite different.)

no argument here, the picture i linked to showed that even nearly 100 years after protestantism was born, the holy roman empire was still not fully protestant. granted, that same pic did show the majority of it was. i just didn't think it was necessary to remind people of that fact. but i didn't ignore it. ok, maybe a little, but it wasn't intended.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 12, 2016, 04:55:23 pm
Warning! Spoilered due to size and the amount of insanity it contains!


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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 12, 2016, 06:14:41 pm
0.o duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 12, 2016, 10:40:48 pm
geez... so much hate for the catholics.

And that's a bad thing?

Yes it is. You'd not hold a person from Arizona in suspicion because the government there is bat shit crazy. You're mixing up people and institutions. It's a fairly easy trap to fall into.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on January 12, 2016, 11:17:17 pm
geez... so much hate for the catholics.

And that's a bad thing?

Yes it is. You'd not hold a person from Arizona in suspicion because the government there is bat shit crazy. You're mixing up people and institutions. It's a fairly easy trap to fall into.

I'm deliberately mixing them up to make a point a little further on.

Guizonde gives Catholics and the RCC a lot more deference than he seems to give Jehovah's Witnesses; as an ex-JW myself I enjoy unraveling that inconsistency.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: guizonde on January 13, 2016, 07:16:29 am
geez... so much hate for the catholics.

And that's a bad thing?

Yes it is. You'd not hold a person from Arizona in suspicion because the government there is bat shit crazy. You're mixing up people and institutions. It's a fairly easy trap to fall into.

I'm deliberately mixing them up to make a point a little further on.

Guizonde gives Catholics and the RCC a lot more deference than he seems to give Jehovah's Witnesses; as an ex-JW myself I enjoy unraveling that inconsistency.

if that's how i came across, i apologize. not my intent. ok, the catholics and i have less bad blood than the witnesses and i do, but let's get this out of the way: i don't like either. i have however, studied the catholic church for the best part of my school life, so i like to think i've got a good understanding of them. and my scholarly understanding of them is (sorry if i employ technical jargon): they suck. donkey balls. covered in tar.

now why do i talk like i do about the church? let's face it, the usa still has a hate-on for catholics that hasn't changed much since jfk was president (remember it nearly cost him the election?). i just find it funny to play devil's advocate to a mostly american protestant crowd, having been raised atheist but with both protestant and catholic teachings. oh, and regarding protestantism, i'm surprised the reform didn't happen two or three centuries earlier. there were some undercurrents back then, but it didn't catch on. if you guys are interested, i can pull my notes for you. in the context of medieval and renaissance europe, the reform was a good thing. insomuch as organized religion can be a good thing.

and if i don't give deference to the witnesses, two reasons: a) i haven't studied their history (yeah, i know, i'll get around to it) and b): the aforementioned bad blood leaves a sour taste in the mouth. once burned, twice shy and all that.

hope that clears that up.

@lizard: i don't hate, but i give have a ton of misgivings. too similar for you?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on January 14, 2016, 08:26:19 am
A couple more comments from the Japanese host family video.

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I think I would have treated you the same way. your arrogant retarded expectations of his they should treat you is like some special education baby who should kill themselves. you expect special treatment and get yourself into a situation to allow yourself to be late. they gave you rules and you immediately break them and they are the bad guys? you obviously just want fun and games and not to learn the true Japanese culture or you would have respected their wishes and not been such a bitch, you complain about two host stays but ever conciser your wild expectations of them treating you like a princess isn't reasonable you fucking annoying がじん piece of shit. you bring great shame to the west bimbo fuckface go seppuku you cuntI think

So not expecting to be kicked out at the drop of a hat is "special treatment?".   ::)  How little do these commentators think of themselves and others?

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You know what? Im just gonna say my sister said it best, "First world problems." Cause I was gonna sit here and elaborate in great detail about what a moron you are. Youre bitching about what is commonly known as "first world problems" which basically means thinsg that dont even almost fucking matter, in a country that is NOT a first world country, that you traveled to to LEARN ABOUT THE COUNTRY. And instead of even getting to the point you elongate the speech in an attempt to add dramatic flair. Youre basically complaining about common life in Japan, in Japan. The heat and hot water thing is a bit strange, but its so disgustinly ironic that youre claiming that one house is the HOUSE FROM HELL and only bitching about STUPID SHIT that deosnt even matter, and small living spaces ARE COMMON IN JAPAN YOU RETARD. Get the fuck over yourself. If you want to learn about the world then LEARN about it. You need so much schooling on life.

Wait, Japan isn't a first world country?

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 14, 2016, 10:31:52 am
Oh my god it gets dumber.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 14, 2016, 12:10:07 pm
There has been a certain debate in Finland for a while now. First some women (and a few men) started using a hashtag to spread stories of sexual harassment. Then a bunch of (almost only) men started to complain how this is all exaggeration, women should just be proud when men show "interest" in them, those were just "jokes" and "women have no sense of humour", that this was a cheap ploy by the feminists to "create" scandals because their movement had already gained true equality and was becoming useless and so on.

Then when there was a story about a Finnish woman who was raped by a refugee the same bunch of men who had complained about feminism now suddenly became defenders of women's rights (but went back to defending sexual assaults the next time they heard of an incident where the offenders were Finns.)

There are two particular quotes from these that I felt compelled to translate:

(http://blogit.image.fi/sininenkirjahylly/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2016/01/pihtarit.png)
This was a comment directed at a feminist commune. Rough translation:
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it remains as a mystery when it would be acceptable to touch a woman, I guess we should always ask for a permission? So that there won't be misunderstandings.

This might seem as a perfectly reasonable comment, but this guy is absolutely amazed at the idea that you might need a permission to touch another person. He is either really bad at reading signals or simply cannot comprehend that women might not want to get touched by him.

Number 2:
(http://blogit.image.fi/sininenkirjahylly/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2016/01/jouni.png)
This one is quite hard to translate, but some of the clumsiness in the wording was already in the original text.
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Raping local women is also opression of the indigenous men, like a declaration of war! It is a direct challenge to the indigenous men by the strangers who came from primitive cultures. They are showing to the indigenous men that they are so weak that they cannot even defend their women and children!

This is why these foreign mass rapists rapes and robberies directed at women and children must not be left without retaliation by the men of the indigenous population, if they are men at all? It is a challenge and that is why we need the street patrols.... Otherwise the word will spread abroad that in the north there is a country where you can rape blond women while the weakling "men" look helplessly.

The comment about street patrols refers to "Sons of Odin" who are organizing patrols that would defend Finns from the refugees. They had strict rules on how to act politely towards Finns (but only Finns. And even then anyone who even looks like a foreigner, even if they family has been in the country for generations, is at risk.) and not to go beating up foreigners "just for fun." ...Most of the leaders in the movement have criminal background and connections to Neo-Nazis.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 14, 2016, 12:35:55 pm
Sons of Odin? But the Finnish people weren't even Norse...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 14, 2016, 12:45:45 pm
Sons of Odin? But the Finnish people weren't even Norse...
I KNOW!

...People have joked about that a lot. (Also, the name is in English, which is not our native tongue.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on January 14, 2016, 06:35:15 pm
Sons of Odin? But the Finnish people weren't even Norse...
Honorary Aryans thou.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on January 15, 2016, 01:55:11 am
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I'm all for multiculturalism. But the fact remains that there is a problem:

http://chromatism.net/current/images/skincolormap.jpg

Being near the poles = lighter skin tone.

Why don't we take a story taking place in some African tribe, and arbitrarily plop a random white guy or two in there. I dare ANYONE to watch that without raising an eyebrow. lol

Oh absolutely. I was just happily pointing out to anyone who is stupid enough to call you insensitive that no, a bunch of light skinned people near the poles is NOT culturally or racially insensitive. I mean my gosh. I'm all for ya know, acknowledging that something can be multicultural and the likes. But come the fuck on. There are limits to absurdity.But then... based upon some of these movies you've reviewed... Well... 

These were comments on a review of a fucking Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer movie (the middle comment was actually the reviewer himself).  One of the first things that he bitched about was that the magical fairies and elves were multicultural, but pulled the "I'm not against multiculturalism, it just doesn't make geographical sense" defense.  Magical fairies and elves in Santa's village.  I guess black and Asian people just physically can't exist in the north or something.  We're not even talking about the "historical accuracy" defense, it's just "what are all these non-whites doing so far up north?"  The majority of the elves are already white anyway. 

And in the review itself he goes on to say that "with as rare and isolated as elves are, there shouldn't be that much genetic diversity" and "the entire point of Rudolph was being mocked for being different, so everyone needs to look the same to hammer in that point or else the story doesn't make sense".  I guess the USA must be a utopia free of social issues, then. 

I knew there was a reason I stopped watching this guy.  This review was made in November 2014, but the above comment was made last April, so I'm not holding out for some recent major change of opinion.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 15, 2016, 02:45:20 am
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I'm all for multiculturalism. But the fact remains that there is a problem:

http://chromatism.net/current/images/skincolormap.jpg

Being near the poles = lighter skin tone.

Why don't we take a story taking place in some African tribe, and arbitrarily plop a random white guy or two in there. I dare ANYONE to watch that without raising an eyebrow. lol

Oh absolutely. I was just happily pointing out to anyone who is stupid enough to call you insensitive that no, a bunch of light skinned people near the poles is NOT culturally or racially insensitive. I mean my gosh. I'm all for ya know, acknowledging that something can be multicultural and the likes. But come the fuck on. There are limits to absurdity.But then... based upon some of these movies you've reviewed... Well... 

These were comments on a review of a fucking Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer movie (the middle comment was actually the reviewer himself).  One of the first things that he bitched about was that the magical fairies and elves were multicultural, but pulled the "I'm not against multiculturalism, it just doesn't make geographical sense" defense.  Magical fairies and elves in Santa's village.  I guess black and Asian people just physically can't exist in the north or something.  We're not even talking about the "historical accuracy" defense, it's just "what are all these non-whites doing so far up north?"  The majority of the elves are already white anyway. 

And in the review itself he goes on to say that "with as rare and isolated as elves are, there shouldn't be that much genetic diversity" and "the entire point of Rudolph was being mocked for being different, so everyone needs to look the same to hammer in that point or else the story doesn't make sense".  I guess the USA must be a utopia free of social issues, then. 

I knew there was a reason I stopped watching this guy.  This review was made in November 2014, but the above comment was made last April, so I'm not holding out for some recent major change of opinion.

Kind of a tangent, but that colour map reeks of bullshit. People from Kyushu and Shikoku (Japan's two southernmost islands) are not as dark as humans can possibly get. If anything, the opposite is the case.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 15, 2016, 02:49:40 am
Also, some of the people in the north have darker skin. Like some Eskimos and Sami for example.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 15, 2016, 02:51:03 am
And indigenous Siberian people like the Nenets. OP is full of crap, is the point.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 15, 2016, 03:00:10 am
I mean the chart does have some accuracy but it's not perfect and people move around faster than the evolution would make the colour of skin adapt.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 15, 2016, 04:33:01 am
Yuppers.

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Why don't we take a story taking place in some African tribe, and arbitrarily plop a random white guy or two in there. I dare ANYONE to watch that without raising an eyebrow. lol

False equivalency powers, activate!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 15, 2016, 10:35:31 am
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I'm all for multiculturalism. But the fact remains that there is a problem:

http://chromatism.net/current/images/skincolormap.jpg

Being near the poles = lighter skin tone.

Why don't we take a story taking place in some African tribe, and arbitrarily plop a random white guy or two in there. I dare ANYONE to watch that without raising an eyebrow. lol

Oh absolutely. I was just happily pointing out to anyone who is stupid enough to call you insensitive that no, a bunch of light skinned people near the poles is NOT culturally or racially insensitive. I mean my gosh. I'm all for ya know, acknowledging that something can be multicultural and the likes. But come the fuck on. There are limits to absurdity.But then... based upon some of these movies you've reviewed... Well... 

These were comments on a review of a fucking Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer movie (the middle comment was actually the reviewer himself).  One of the first things that he bitched about was that the magical fairies and elves were multicultural, but pulled the "I'm not against multiculturalism, it just doesn't make geographical sense" defense.  Magical fairies and elves in Santa's village.  I guess black and Asian people just physically can't exist in the north or something.  We're not even talking about the "historical accuracy" defense, it's just "what are all these non-whites doing so far up north?"  The majority of the elves are already white anyway. 

And in the review itself he goes on to say that "with as rare and isolated as elves are, there shouldn't be that much genetic diversity" and "the entire point of Rudolph was being mocked for being different, so everyone needs to look the same to hammer in that point or else the story doesn't make sense".  I guess the USA must be a utopia free of social issues, then. 

I knew there was a reason I stopped watching this guy.  This review was made in November 2014, but the above comment was made last April, so I'm not holding out for some recent major change of opinion.

Kind of a tangent, but that colour map reeks of bullshit. People from Kyushu and Shikoku (Japan's two southernmost islands) are not as dark as humans can possibly get. If anything, the opposite is the case.

I tried to check the source (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.10263/abstract) for that map, but it's paywalled. It looks like the map is based on a different map which is a model attempting to predict skin colour via UV exposure and possibly other things. So basically it's actually a map of environmental factors, not specifically of skin colour.

I think, anyway. Like I said, paywalled, and I'm on vacation so I can't try to get access through university computers.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on January 15, 2016, 01:29:55 pm
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I'm all for multiculturalism. But the fact remains that there is a problem:

http://chromatism.net/current/images/skincolormap.jpg

Being near the poles = lighter skin tone.

Why don't we take a story taking place in some African tribe, and arbitrarily plop a random white guy or two in there. I dare ANYONE to watch that without raising an eyebrow. lol

Oh absolutely. I was just happily pointing out to anyone who is stupid enough to call you insensitive that no, a bunch of light skinned people near the poles is NOT culturally or racially insensitive. I mean my gosh. I'm all for ya know, acknowledging that something can be multicultural and the likes. But come the fuck on. There are limits to absurdity.But then... based upon some of these movies you've reviewed... Well... 

These were comments on a review of a fucking Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer movie (the middle comment was actually the reviewer himself).  One of the first things that he bitched about was that the magical fairies and elves were multicultural, but pulled the "I'm not against multiculturalism, it just doesn't make geographical sense" defense.  Magical fairies and elves in Santa's village.  I guess black and Asian people just physically can't exist in the north or something.  We're not even talking about the "historical accuracy" defense, it's just "what are all these non-whites doing so far up north?"  The majority of the elves are already white anyway. 

And in the review itself he goes on to say that "with as rare and isolated as elves are, there shouldn't be that much genetic diversity" and "the entire point of Rudolph was being mocked for being different, so everyone needs to look the same to hammer in that point or else the story doesn't make sense".  I guess the USA must be a utopia free of social issues, then. 

I knew there was a reason I stopped watching this guy.  This review was made in November 2014, but the above comment was made last April, so I'm not holding out for some recent major change of opinion.

Kind of a tangent, but that colour map reeks of bullshit. People from Kyushu and Shikoku (Japan's two southernmost islands) are not as dark as humans can possibly get. If anything, the opposite is the case.

They're describing a real phenomenon, at least. A human population in isolation for several thousand years will change its skin color in response to sunlight exposure, which is mainly determined by latitude.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 16, 2016, 07:16:15 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Zq6P4dP.png)

Or it could just be a stylized falcon.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 18, 2016, 10:41:32 pm
White Supremist vs MRA, ready FIGHT

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European women deserve protection from violent, raping Arabs who see them as subhuman
#SaveEurope from #rapefugees

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No they don't.  They vote left and pro-multiculturalism all the time and spit in their men's faces.  They deserve it.

The winner is no one, we all lose.

PS the MRA is a self published ebook author.  If you want to know if he's any good, he also tweeted this

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Real authors don't fret over punctuation or grammar.  Only worthless English majors do that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2016, 11:29:14 pm
White Supremist vs MRA, ready FIGHT

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European women deserve protection from violent, raping Arabs who see them as subhuman
#SaveEurope from #rapefugees

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No they don't.  They vote left and pro-multiculturalism all the time and spit in their men's faces.  They deserve it.

The winner is no one, we all lose.

PS the MRA is a self published ebook author.  If you want to know if he's any good, he also tweeted this

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Real authors don't fret over punctuation or grammar.  Only worthless English majors do that.

Maybe we should put them in a boxing ring, let them duke it out.

And while we're at it, let's take people with abhorrent political beliefs and strand them on an island somewhere.  It might make a good Reality TV show.  Jihadis vs Maoists!  Sovereign Citizens vs. the Animal Liberation Front!  Christian Identity vs. Nazi Neopagans!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on January 19, 2016, 12:34:41 am
People who choose an incredibly idiotic hill to die on vs. people who have refuse to consider that they might be wrong? Oh, wait, those are the same thing.

EDIT: Don't worry, I'll play nice.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2016, 04:45:52 pm
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/2udu6nn.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 19, 2016, 09:46:58 pm
Did you that FDR didn't personally storm the beaches of Normandy?!!  He hated America!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on January 19, 2016, 09:57:16 pm
What slander is this?

I just read in a very interesting Japanese Manga that FDR personally stormed Normandy, fought Himmler and Goering's humongous mecha together with Truman in THEIR mechas, and then fought the forces of the Nazi SS in the air fortresses of France!

...

That wasn't a historical graphic novel, was it...?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on January 20, 2016, 03:07:15 pm
I have no words for this bullshit.

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Bisexuality doesn't exist, at the very least in men. Look at this bitch trying to prove it does, though.

https://bitchmedia.org/post/isnt-he-lovely-male-bisexuality-doesnt-existoh-wait-it-does

That 2009 column argued that pop culture "bromances" were bringing male bisexuality into the mainstream, but that thesis was tenuous at best. The "bro" in "bromance" offered a linguistic cue that any guy pals labeled as such were merely platonic, not gettin' physical like Oliva Newton John. And not until earlier this year has scientific research dismantled the whole "gay, straight, or lying" sexual stereotype imposed on men.

For those of us who are into science however, there is proof that bisexuality is a myth.

Rieger, G., Chivers, M. L., & Bailey, J. M. (2005). Sexual arousal patterns of bisexual men. Psychological science, 16(8), 579-584, as discussed in the NY Times:

A study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists, at least in men. People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, are usually homosexual, but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted.  In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men. The study is the largest of several small reports suggesting that the estimated 1.7 percent of men who identify themselves as bisexual show physical attraction patterns that differ substantially from professed desires.

Basically, while men reported being bisexual, their actual physical arousal (their true disposition towards one or another) was towards one sex. Here is a link to the study

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/J_Bailey2/publication/7658643_Sexual_arousal_patterns_of_bisexual_men/links/0deec518bc045a1076000000.pdf

Rosenthal, A. M., Sylva, D., Safron, A., & Bailey, J. M. (2011). Sexual arousal patterns of bisexual men revisited. Biological Psychology, 88(1), 112-115.

The researchers, probably pressured by political correctness, replicated the prior study, however this time they recruited from places where they would be more likely to find bisexual men. Basically, they went to places where they would find sexual deviants and people with different paraphilia.

In order to satisfy SJWs they had to go to places of sexual deviancy, so their findings in 2011 should be rejected because they did not control for general sexual addiction or other elements that would prove the person to be a general deviant. Below is a link to the 2011 study.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/J_Bailey2/publication/51496686_Sexual_arousal_patterns_of_bisexual_men_revisited/links/0046352cb3d20053af000000.pdf

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 20, 2016, 03:31:38 pm
So they went to recruit from places where they'd be likely to find the bisexual men that, according to you, don't exist. LOGIC, MOTHERFUCKER! CAN YOU USE IT?

oh and also apparently a man being into dudes isn't deviancy, a man being into chicks isn't deviancy, but a man being into dudes AND chicks is, why not, peanut butter and jelly chemically react to make human faeces now

Kinsley? lol who's that
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on January 20, 2016, 04:06:18 pm
So they went to recruit from places where they'd be likely to find the bisexual men that, according to you, don't exist. LOGIC, MOTHERFUCKER! CAN YOU USE IT?

oh and also apparently a man being into dudes isn't deviancy, a man being into chicks isn't deviancy, but a man being into dudes AND chicks is, why not, peanut butter and jelly chemically react to make human faeces now

Kinsley? lol who's that
Thanks bro. I needed that. I'm not good at refuting bullshit myself unless it's standard fundie BS. Like if it's a person comparing homosexuality to bestiality or child molestation all I have to say is "informed consent, motherfucker, DO YOU KNOW IT" but I guess I'm not cut out for countering the more subtle bullshit. The kind of bullshit that seems intellectual and scientific but it's bullshit all the same.

Sorry if I'm rambling. I drank copious amounts of alcohol after reading the post I quoted.

I think the KiwiFarms just aren't for me.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 20, 2016, 04:33:03 pm
I'm glad I can occasionally manage to word vomit something that people appreciate. And if I had to guess, these "studies" are either hugely biased or intensely narrow.

And KiwiFarms from what I've seen is a festering fuckpile anyway, you're not missing much.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: LeTipex on January 20, 2016, 05:22:25 pm
I have no words for this bullshit.

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Bisexuality doesn't exist, at the very least in men. Look at this bitch trying to prove it does, though.

https://bitchmedia.org/post/isnt-he-lovely-male-bisexuality-doesnt-existoh-wait-it-does

That 2009 column argued that pop culture "bromances" were bringing male bisexuality into the mainstream, but that thesis was tenuous at best. The "bro" in "bromance" offered a linguistic cue that any guy pals labeled as such were merely platonic, not gettin' physical like Oliva Newton John. And not until earlier this year has scientific research dismantled the whole "gay, straight, or lying" sexual stereotype imposed on men.

For those of us who are into science however, there is proof that bisexuality is a myth.

Rieger, G., Chivers, M. L., & Bailey, J. M. (2005). Sexual arousal patterns of bisexual men. Psychological science, 16(8), 579-584, as discussed in the NY Times:

A study casts doubt on whether true bisexuality exists, at least in men. People who claim bisexuality, according to these critics, are usually homosexual, but are ambivalent about their homosexuality or simply closeted.  In the new study, a team of psychologists directly measured genital arousal patterns in response to images of men and women. The psychologists found that men who identified themselves as bisexual were in fact exclusively aroused by either one sex or the other, usually by other men. The study is the largest of several small reports suggesting that the estimated 1.7 percent of men who identify themselves as bisexual show physical attraction patterns that differ substantially from professed desires.

Basically, while men reported being bisexual, their actual physical arousal (their true disposition towards one or another) was towards one sex. Here is a link to the study

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/J_Bailey2/publication/7658643_Sexual_arousal_patterns_of_bisexual_men/links/0deec518bc045a1076000000.pdf

Rosenthal, A. M., Sylva, D., Safron, A., & Bailey, J. M. (2011). Sexual arousal patterns of bisexual men revisited. Biological Psychology, 88(1), 112-115.

The researchers, probably pressured by political correctness, replicated the prior study, however this time they recruited from places where they would be more likely to find bisexual men. Basically, they went to places where they would find sexual deviants and people with different paraphilia.

In order to satisfy SJWs they had to go to places of sexual deviancy, so their findings in 2011 should be rejected because they did not control for general sexual addiction or other elements that would prove the person to be a general deviant. Below is a link to the 2011 study.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/J_Bailey2/publication/51496686_Sexual_arousal_patterns_of_bisexual_men_revisited/links/0046352cb3d20053af000000.pdf
Apparently I'm a mythical creature.
Gaze upon my un-existence, ye mighty, and despair!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 20, 2016, 05:26:40 pm
Ballpoint my old mug, he's not saying you don't exist but rather he knows your sexuality better than you. He thinks you are probably lying and are gay or are a sexual deviant. Who are you to disagree with how he feels about your sexuality.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 20, 2016, 06:07:43 pm
And in case anyone needed convincing that SJW as a descriptor is a nonsense word, apparently it now includes people being aware that bisexuality is a thing. Fuck, Undertale actually is an SJW game!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on January 21, 2016, 05:16:17 pm
I know Reddit is kind of low-hanging fruit, but this guy's (http://www.reddit.com/user/sematrix) entire post history.

If I put as much energy into my Russian language study as this guy does into hating Jews, I'd probably be fluent by now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 21, 2016, 05:35:11 pm
DELIRIUM'S BACK!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 22, 2016, 07:28:11 am
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Some girl bit down on him during sex? That sounds hot to me, biting all part of the fun! Did she ever ACTUALLY ask him to stop? These ‘groupies’ should know they are playthings, not potential girlfriends/future wives, expectation leads to dissapoitment which turns to bitterness & then exaggerated stories circulate on gossip blogs to paint a darkened picture of the celebrity that they feel so rejected by.

Context. (http://contemptor.com/2015/07/28/another-cosby-a-reminder-that-several-women-have-accused-jared-leto-of-sexual-assault/)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 22, 2016, 11:27:30 am
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The end game of feminism is to make it impossible for a female to do any wrong, absolving her from all responsibility for her actions, no matter how reprehensible. The fact that a human being has a vagina will soon mean that she can not make a bad decision about anything. Punishing or criticizing a woman for her life choices will be abolished.

Roosh doesn't understand feminism part 1,385.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2016, 09:05:01 pm
Just in case you thought the only cranks on Tumblr were leftist:

http://thisisrealwhiteculture.tumblr.com/post/116934961372/nazi-auschwitz-camp-officer-93-to-face-trial (http://thisisrealwhiteculture.tumblr.com/post/116934961372/nazi-auschwitz-camp-officer-93-to-face-trial)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on January 29, 2016, 10:21:58 am
One of my friends on Facebook...

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The mere idea that there is a concerted feminist effort to grant special privilege to women and to decry any voice of equality as hate-speech should indicate full and well to all of you that women are exactly as capable of behaving like entitled fucking ignorant children as men and deserve no such special treatment. If you are a feminist, do me a favor: end your pathetic charade and fucking kill yourself for the good of the gene pool.

Yeah, no. That isn't what feminism is.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on January 30, 2016, 12:39:04 am
I would have submitted this to the main site but I am shit at HTML. Spoilered for size:
(click to show/hide)

That's right, Jesus dying on the cross was literally worse than the Holocaust. This guy also thinks that the Holocaust didn't happen (but he probably wish it did).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on January 30, 2016, 01:57:10 am
Pretty sure the omnipotent controller of the universe could've, you know, prevented the crucifixion of Christ if he'd been that offended.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 30, 2016, 02:09:12 am
...Maybe I should reread the Bible but I thought the Romans were the ones who crucified Jesus?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 30, 2016, 02:09:30 am
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on January 30, 2016, 02:40:37 am
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.


Which would (should, anyway) make Judas, who got him arrested, directly leading to his execution, a hero, not a villain, correct? Whatever. 's all made up anyway.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 30, 2016, 05:43:27 am
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.


Which would (should, anyway) make Judas, who got him arrested, directly leading to his execution, a hero, not a villain, correct? Whatever. 's all made up anyway.
That was one version of the story. It was dropped from the official Bible, though.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 30, 2016, 09:26:13 am
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.


Which would (should, anyway) make Judas, who got him arrested, directly leading to his execution, a hero, not a villain, correct? Whatever. 's all made up anyway.
That was one version of the story. It was dropped from the official Bible, though.

It's not so much a version as it is an interpretation, though? Given that Judas is instrumental to the crucifixion, and given that the crucifixion is needed to save mankind from Hell (two things most of the Bible fandom agrees on), it's fairly straightforward to say Judas 'betraying' Jesus was a good thing. I don't know how you can drop that from the Bible.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on January 30, 2016, 12:42:25 pm
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert in early Christianity.

If you wanted to be a pedantic asshole you could argue that the Jewish authorities were technically responsible because they turned Jesus in to the authorities, but the Romans were the ones who actually carried out the execution. Jesus also posed a threat to the Romans because he preached against the Roman occupation of Judea and thus the Romans would have had a reason to execute him. There were a ton of Jewish sects and messiah claimants at the time and the Jews didn't go around executing everyone who disagreed with them. The "Jews killed Jesus" canard came about around the time Christianity started gaining popularity with gentiles, so I'm guessing we can blame Paul for this.

Then again, we're trying to apply logic to a flyer made by someone who thinks serial killers are part of an occult conspiracy to the goddess Ceres, Germans are persecuted, Jewish people worship the Holocaust and are trying to push "Holocaustianity" on everyone, and that Mel Gibson sold out to the Jews (among other insane things). "Jews killed Jesus" is probably the least ridiculous thing he believes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 30, 2016, 01:02:35 pm
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.


Which would (should, anyway) make Judas, who got him arrested, directly leading to his execution, a hero, not a villain, correct? Whatever. 's all made up anyway.

Um, the historical consensus is that there really was a Jesus of Nazareth who was born within the vicinity of 1 CE, got baptized, started a religious movement when he was about thirty, and was crucified by Pontius Pilate.  Everything else is up for debate, but that much is agreed upon.

What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert in early Christianity.

If you wanted to be a pedantic asshole you could argue that the Jewish authorities were technically responsible because they turned Jesus in to the authorities, but the Romans were the ones who actually carried out the execution. Jesus also posed a threat to the Romans because he preached against the Roman occupation of Judea and thus the Romans would have had a reason to execute him. There were a ton of Jewish sects and messiah claimants at the time and the Jews didn't go around executing everyone who disagreed with them. The "Jews killed Jesus" canard came about around the time Christianity started gaining popularity with gentiles, so I'm guessing we can blame Paul for this.

Then again, we're trying to apply logic to a flyer made by someone who thinks serial killers are part of an occult conspiracy to the goddess Ceres, Germans are persecuted, Jewish people worship the Holocaust and are trying to push "Holocaustianity" on everyone, and that Mel Gibson sold out to the Jews (among other insane things). "Jews killed Jesus" is probably the least ridiculous thing he believes.

I was always taught that Christian anti-Semitism didn't start until later, when official persecutions began under Nero.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on January 30, 2016, 01:24:42 pm
Um, the historical consensus is that there really was a Jesus of Nazareth who was born within the vicinity of 1 CE, got baptized, started a religious movement when he was about thirty, and was crucified by Pontius Pilate.  Everything else is up for debate, but that much is agreed upon.

I'm surprised you aren't sharing this knowledge in the Mythicism thread. Suffice to say, that's a lot more detail than the historical consensus and it's all up for debate.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 30, 2016, 09:04:44 pm
Something else to consider. The word messiah around that time period carried with it the implication of military. And the saviour part, coupled with a military word, could cause the Romans to, say, take interest.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 30, 2016, 09:17:17 pm
Something else to consider. The word messiah around that time period carried with it the implication of military. And the saviour part, coupled with a military word, could cause the Romans to, say, take interest.

Especially considering Judea was a notoriously restive province.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 31, 2016, 08:22:10 am
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.
Which would (should, anyway) make Judas, who got him arrested, directly leading to his execution, a hero, not a villain, correct? Whatever. 's all made up anyway.
That was one version of the story. It was dropped from the official Bible, though.
It's not so much a version as it is an interpretation, though? Given that Judas is instrumental to the crucifixion, and given that the crucifixion is needed to save mankind from Hell (two things most of the Bible fandom agrees on), it's fairly straightforward to say Judas 'betraying' Jesus was a good thing. I don't know how you can drop that from the Bible.
According to the Gospel of Judas Jesus directly told Judas to "betray" him.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 31, 2016, 09:48:31 am
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/mt9hyf.jpg)

Personhood isn't dependent on size, but planethood is.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 31, 2016, 04:47:49 pm
I....I think you fail to see what this person is actually saying.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 31, 2016, 04:49:17 pm
I am honestly confused as to what this person is saying.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 31, 2016, 05:00:50 pm
What is this whole "the Jews killed Jesus" nonsense anyway? It was the Romans who crucified him.

Besides, I thought the whole point of Jesus existing was to get crucified in the first place. Basically, God sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself in order to save us all from himself.
Which would (should, anyway) make Judas, who got him arrested, directly leading to his execution, a hero, not a villain, correct? Whatever. 's all made up anyway.
That was one version of the story. It was dropped from the official Bible, though.
It's not so much a version as it is an interpretation, though? Given that Judas is instrumental to the crucifixion, and given that the crucifixion is needed to save mankind from Hell (two things most of the Bible fandom agrees on), it's fairly straightforward to say Judas 'betraying' Jesus was a good thing. I don't know how you can drop that from the Bible.
According to the Gospel of Judas Jesus directly told Judas to "betray" him.

The gospel of Judas (at least the one we have found) is no more connected to any first hand account than any of the synoptic gospels. Like them it was written many years after the time Jesus was supposed to have died and was not written, or even dictated, by the person whose name it bears. Mark for instance doesn't even claim to be written by Mark.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 01, 2016, 03:23:21 am
The gospel of Judas (at least the one we have found) is no more connected to any first hand account than any of the synoptic gospels. Like them it was written many years after the time Jesus was supposed to have died and was not written, or even dictated, by the person whose name it bears. Mark for instance doesn't even claim to be written by Mark.
I'm not making that claim either. I was just making the point that the interpretation of Judas as a heroic figure is not a new one.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 01, 2016, 03:42:08 am
No but then again the only logically consistent view is that Judas is a hero. When you think about it, his suffering was going to be greater too as he would have known that he would be reviled.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 01, 2016, 03:55:42 am
That's just like your opinion man.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 01, 2016, 03:59:16 am
Well if it took Jesus's sacrifice to redeem mankind, how can Judas be anything other than a hero?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: R. U. Sirius on February 01, 2016, 09:16:53 am
This brings to mind an early-90s movie called "The Judas Project" that I watched in prison, basically trying to set the story of Jesus in modern times to make it more relatable. Problem was, it was set in America in a time of relative peace (the Cold War had ended just a few years before), so Jesse's (the Jesus character) threat to those in power was pretty much summed up as "he's causing unrest", with no indication of what kind of unrest shown in the movie itself. In the movie, the crucifixion is carried out in secret, pretty much like a Mafia hit, as opposed to having the backing of law that it did in the Bible itself. The Pilate character also left after telling the priest, "if you want him dead, do it yourself," so the priest (who had the most stereotypically Jewish features I've ever seen) stage-managed the whole thing and ended up fried with a fireball from Heaven for his trouble.

Fact is, though, that crucifixion wasn't a common form of execution for the Romans. Its use varied depending on time and place, but for the most part, it was reserved for those the Romans felt were a threat to their power. So while the story in the Bible tries to portray it as Jesus' execution being arranged by Caiaphas and the other priests for blasphemy, it really only makes sense for Pilate to engage in that form of execution if he felt that A) Jesus was engaging in sedition against the Roman state or B) that killing Jesus would quell the unrest that was stirring up AGAINST him, thus helping to maintain order. If it were as simple as a blasphemy charge, he would have told the priests, "Why don't you just stone him the way you do for other blasphemers?"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 01, 2016, 04:50:56 pm
I made the mistake of eyeing through some of the comments on the newer Deadpool trailer.

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Could the "badguy" chick in this have been anymore like a man?  What an uber "Strap-on Bull dyke".  That 3rd wave of feminism encourages this sort of "could not back that shit up in the real world" crap.  Violence against her will be one for the women's movement. The young Gen Z girl is also one for the women's movement I suppose.  Big and Little Mangina do not have an ounce of femininity between them.  Another pseudo feminist crap movie I will never watch.  Hollywood is run by Pussies.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 01, 2016, 05:16:49 pm
I made the mistake of eyeing through some of the comments on the newer Deadpool trailer.

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Could the "badguy" chick in this have been anymore like a man?  What an uber "Strap-on Bull dyke".  That 3rd wave of feminism encourages this sort of "could not back that shit up in the real world" crap.  Violence against her will be one for the women's movement. The young Gen Z girl is also one for the women's movement I suppose.  Big and Little Mangina do not have an ounce of femininity between them.  Another pseudo feminist crap movie I will never watch.  Hollywood is run by Pussies.

He's right about Hollywood being "run by pussies," but not for the reasons he thinks.  Look at how much the studios pander to China.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on February 01, 2016, 05:50:17 pm
Look at how much the studios pander to China.

What does that mean? What do you think entertainment executives should be doing?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 01, 2016, 06:09:40 pm
Well if it took Jesus's sacrifice to redeem mankind, how can Judas be anything other than a hero?

YOU STOLE THAT FROM MASH!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 01, 2016, 08:50:03 pm
Well if it took Jesus's sacrifice to redeem mankind, how can Judas be anything other than a hero?

YOU STOLE THAT FROM MASH!

Did I? if I did it was subliminal.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on February 01, 2016, 09:15:26 pm
Well if it took Jesus's sacrifice to redeem mankind, how can Judas be anything other than a hero?

YOU STOLE THAT FROM MASH!

Did I? if I did it was subliminal.

14 syllables before the comma; 14 syllables after.

It had a lyrical meter to it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on February 01, 2016, 11:35:37 pm
You sure? I count 15 before.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 01, 2016, 11:40:12 pm
You sure? I count 15 before.

Take out the Well.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on February 01, 2016, 11:53:29 pm
Yeah, I was counting the well.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 02, 2016, 02:38:46 am
Look at how much the studios pander to China.

What does that mean? What do you think entertainment executives should be doing?

Red dawn remake. They replaced Chinese invaders with Korean's. ...So either they were afraid of losing Chinese customers or they thought that the US military can be beaten and destroyed by North Korea.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on February 02, 2016, 02:57:00 am
Look at how much the studios pander to China.

What does that mean? What do you think entertainment executives should be doing?

Red dawn remake. They replaced Chinese invaders with Korean's. ...So either they were afraid of losing Chinese customers or they thought that the US military can be beaten and destroyed by North Korea.

Ahh, I figured it would be about not properly othering China in our propaganda films.

Either nation invading the U.S. in a land war is a ludicrous concept.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 04, 2016, 04:29:38 am
Quote from:  youtube user Adam Post
"Throughout the history of American society, non-whites have been made to feel inferior to their white counterparts. "Pride" in your ethnicity is a response to that."

That kind of response will continue to perpetuate inequality, thus make it ironically self defeating. I get what you're saying, but that's just an excuse to give in to our immature instinctual tribalism. It's a very regressive response to a regressive problem. That is not going to somehow result in progress. Just my 2c.

Hear that, marginalized groups? By cultivating solidarity and self-love, you're perpetuating your own social inequality!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 04, 2016, 09:36:39 am
President Niinistö held a speech about the refugee crisis and the public TV YLE televised it. Unfortunately due to a technical error audio was lost from the transmission for a bit over a minute. Somebody was not happy. (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154054995492189&set=a.48306727188.72092.666767188&type=3&theater)

Quote from: translated
YLE censored President Niinistö's speech. Pull a muslimnigger's shitty pussy on your head, fucrking[sic] shitwhores! :)You'll hear about this yet you fucking assholes.

The random smiley is just precious. Is the person posting this so tone deaf that they think "just joking" makes this kind of message any more acceptable or less hateful?

By the way, YLE has both a transcript of the speech and a recording with fixed audio available on their website but that's probably just a cover-up to hide the censorship.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 04, 2016, 09:43:44 am
...literally "vetäkää muslimin******n paskainen vittu päähänne"? That's... a new one.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 07, 2016, 10:39:39 pm
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...I have no words.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheL on February 08, 2016, 04:05:57 pm
"Lifts index finger."

Pointing upward is now a Muslim thing?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 08, 2016, 04:08:40 pm
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...I have no words.

...Do they think this is pro-muslim or anti-muslim propaganda? I don't have enough tinfoil in my hat for this kind of bullshit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on February 08, 2016, 10:30:18 pm
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So women can run around naked with "Doesn't Mean Rape Me" across their chest but a man can't show his dick? The hypocrisy.
About a guy exposing himself at an anti-rape rally.

These assholes care more about "sticking it to bitching women" than actual issues.  He didn't even bring up an actual problem, like men getting thrown on the sex-offender registry for drunkenly urinating in public.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 09, 2016, 02:04:57 am
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So women can run around naked with "Doesn't Mean Rape Me" across their chest but a man can't show his dick? The hypocrisy.
About a guy exposing himself at an anti-rape rally.

Well... Women also expose themselves at some anti-rape rallies...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 09, 2016, 02:42:33 am
I expose myself pretty much everywhere.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 09, 2016, 04:59:06 am
There was an article about cultural appropriation in Finnish. One of the things that was complained about was that a WHITE person wrote a story that had Jewish people and other racialized* people. Because it is cultural appropriation to write about people who aren't from the same ethnic group as you are and double bad when it is done by a white writer who therefore is oppressing people. The writer also complained that the book had a bit of text written in Hebrew but it was TRANSLATED later into Finnish. This was a horrible crime because to the it meant that "people who understand both Hebrew and Finnish" aren't considered a good enough target group for writing a book only for them... They also complained that being a Jewish person who suffered from anorexia (like the main character of the book) it is horrible that a white person turns this very interesting character into a tool of oppression by writing about it even though they are a white Finn.



*Apparently the term comes from the fact that "human races" do not exist and those are a tool of oppression that was created by the WHITE people (and because you gotta have hypocrisy white people are always referred to as a separate race.) and therefore "racialized" (rodullistettu in Finnish) is used as a term much like "Persons of Colour" is used by SJWs from USA.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 09, 2016, 06:47:06 am
*Apparently the term comes from the fact that "human races" do not exist and those are a tool of oppression that was created by the WHITE people (and because you gotta have hypocrisy white people are always referred to as a separate race.) and therefore "racialized" (rodullistettu in Finnish) is used as a term much like "Persons of Colour" is used by SJWs from USA.
Huh? I was under the impression that rodullistettu/racialized means that the people see a person of a different ethnicity more as a representative of their "race" than as an individual. Then again, I've only encountered the term a couple of times and that's the way I interpreted the meaning from the context, not an actual definition.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 09, 2016, 07:33:59 am
That was how it was explained to me but getting a definition is not easy because asking questions is a bannable offense in feminist groups. "What did I do wrong?" *permaban* "It's not our job to educate you. You should have known what you did."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 09, 2016, 08:05:55 am
Hmm... Parsing through the explanation given to you it is pretty much a more radical way of expressing the interpretation I made.

As a side note: I once read an opinion by a Finnish geneticist who claimed that if you want to divide humans into races as defined in genetics you'd actually get several racial groups inside Africa and all the people outside Africa would be a single race. Besides sounding logical due to our species being from Africa I have no idea how accurate this actually is, though.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 09, 2016, 08:49:21 am
I've heard the same story. Another fun fact, genetically speaking the closest ethnic group to the Saami are Berbers. Who live in Africa.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 09, 2016, 04:03:11 pm
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So women can run around naked with "Doesn't Mean Rape Me" across their chest but a man can't show his dick? The hypocrisy.
About a guy exposing himself at an anti-rape rally.

Well... Women also expose themselves at some anti-rape rallies...
1. Women show there nipples at anti rape rallies, the point being to de-Sexualize female mammaries as well as to make a statement about consent
2. It's not common practice for people to blame guys for getting raped because they had a prominent crotch bulge
3. The guy was clearly attempting to harass the women, not make a political statement.

Gotta say, your second statement is... pretty ignorant.  There is victim-blaming regarding male rape, mostly using the "logic" of "he had an erection, he must've wanted it."

Also, I'd like a link to the event.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 09, 2016, 04:18:31 pm
Except Lizard didn't say "male rape victims never get victimblamed", they said "male rape victims don't commonly get victimblamed for dressing in a specific way".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on February 09, 2016, 04:59:01 pm
Gotta say, your second statement is... pretty ignorant.

(http://i.imgur.com/NRDK9Y1.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 09, 2016, 05:05:23 pm
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So women can run around naked with "Doesn't Mean Rape Me" across their chest but a man can't show his dick? The hypocrisy.
About a guy exposing himself at an anti-rape rally.

Well... Women also expose themselves at some anti-rape rallies...
1. Women show there nipples at anti rape rallies, the point being to de-Sexualize female mammaries as well as to make a statement about consent
2. It's not common practice for people to blame guys for getting raped because they had a prominent crotch bulge
3. The guy was clearly attempting to harass the women, not make a political statement.

Gotta say, your second statement is... pretty ignorant.  There is victim-blaming regarding male rape, mostly using the "logic" of "he had an erection, he must've wanted it."

Also, I'd like a link to the event.

There is no such thing as victim-blaming men for dressing too provocatively, which is what Lizard was talking about.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 09, 2016, 05:14:37 pm
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So women can run around naked with "Doesn't Mean Rape Me" across their chest but a man can't show his dick? The hypocrisy.
About a guy exposing himself at an anti-rape rally.

Well... Women also expose themselves at some anti-rape rallies...
1. Women show there nipples at anti rape rallies, the point being to de-Sexualize female mammaries as well as to make a statement about consent
2. It's not common practice for people to blame guys for getting raped because they had a prominent crotch bulge
3. The guy was clearly attempting to harass the women, not make a political statement.

Gotta say, your second statement is... pretty ignorant.  There is victim-blaming regarding male rape, mostly using the "logic" of "he had an erection, he must've wanted it."

Also, I'd like a link to the event.

There is no such thing as victim-blaming men for dressing too provocatively, which is what Lizard was talking about.

"No such thing?"  Yeah, I'm sure it's a lot rarer, but I seriously doubt that it never happens.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on February 09, 2016, 05:20:47 pm
Oh great let's parse that one down to the electron scan micro scale...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 09, 2016, 05:22:26 pm
Oh great let's parse that one down to the electron scan micro scale...

What can I say?  I'm pedantic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on February 09, 2016, 05:57:48 pm
Oh great let's parse that one down to the electron scan micro scale...

What can I say?  I'm pedantic.

"Spin doctor" is closer to the correct term.

You're looking for ammo to use against feminists and you think you've found some.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 09, 2016, 06:36:34 pm
Oh great let's parse that one down to the electron scan micro scale...

What can I say?  I'm pedantic.

"Spin doctor" is closer to the correct term.

You're looking for ammo to use against feminists and you think you've found some.

No, he can't be, he's a feminist, remember?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 09, 2016, 08:31:16 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EjJopdb.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on February 09, 2016, 08:44:06 pm
Oh great let's parse that one down to the electron scan micro scale...

What can I say?  I'm pedantic.

What you can say is a recognition that isn't pedantic but a lot closer to ignorant. You do understand that something can have such a miniscule chance of probability that for a practical purpose you can call it an impossibility without having to qualify said miniscule probability. You know this, yet made your comment. And went for flippant afterwards. To put it in shorthand, ignorant. Knock it off.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 09, 2016, 08:53:26 pm
Oh great let's parse that one down to the electron scan micro scale...

What can I say?  I'm pedantic.

What you can say is a recognition that isn't pedantic but a lot closer to ignorant. You do understand that something can have such a miniscule chance of probability that for a practical purpose you can call it an impossibility without having to qualify said miniscule probability. You know this, yet made your comment. And went for flippant afterwards. To put it in shorthand, ignorant. Knock it off.

Don't be a dick.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on February 09, 2016, 08:57:33 pm
Chuckle.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 09, 2016, 09:16:54 pm
I will point out I specified common practice.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on February 09, 2016, 09:32:42 pm
Oh great let's parse that one down to the electron scan micro scale...

What can I say?  I'm pedantic.

What you can say is a recognition that isn't pedantic but a lot closer to ignorant. You do understand that something can have such a miniscule chance of probability that for a practical purpose you can call it an impossibility without having to qualify said miniscule probability. You know this, yet made your comment. And went for flippant afterwards. To put it in shorthand, ignorant. Knock it off.

Don't be a dick.


Pot, meet the fucking kettle.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on February 10, 2016, 12:21:52 am
That was the joke, Svata. He's telling other people not to be a dick despite past behavior. I thought it was funny, UP. Certainly warranted the chuckle I gave it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 10, 2016, 12:30:48 am
I will point out I specified common practice.

Fair enough.

Do you mean fair as in you are saying therefore that Rookie and or Lizard is fair of face aka calling them handsome and or beautiful or are you saying fair enough as in specifying the definition of fair as in a clear and impartial judgement being made, or did you mean fair as in an admission of defeat within the context of the argument?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on February 10, 2016, 01:45:12 am
That was the joke, Svata. He's telling other people not to be a dick despite past behavior. I thought it was funny, UP. Certainly warranted the chuckle I gave it.


Oh, ok. Given his obtuseness on matters before, I missed that. Carry on.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 13, 2016, 10:53:58 am
Here's some red pill dumbassery:

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Not pussyfooting around this one. Title is literal.

If anything could ever be classified as a Feminist's Nightmare, it's the irreconcilable notion that women are extremely aroused at the thought of being able to make a high value man so lustful that he loses control and has to have her. Many women have struggled with this concept. Some have cleverly come up with positive terminology to deflect from the dissonance; they'll use terms like "ravishment" to doll it up, as if simply assigning a new word takes away from the reality of what's going on.

Here in TRP we do not shy from these realities. What goes through a woman's head when she contemplates being ravished is that she is of such high SMV that men lose their control just to have her. This is a level of validation few women get to truly experience. The male equivalent would be a pair of beautiful women demanding that you have a threesome with them.

I've no doubt this type of post causes SJW's to froth at the mouth, but their impotent rage doesn't invalidate reality. Consider the success of 50 Shades of Grey. The basic synopsis is that a powerful, rich, alpha man completely lusts and forcefully dominates a perfectly boring average woman. You'd think this banal concept would only sell to a fringe that gets off on this kink, but the book sold 70 million copies in 8 months. That's more than any Harry Potter novel. And now that the movie is out I guarantee it will be a box-office hit. Let women scream and "Wow, just wow" at you all they want -- their words mean nothing in relation to their actions. Women want to be taken by force by a high value man.

So when is it rape instead of ravishment? Aside from obvious cases of drugging someone or having sex with the unconscious (for the feminazi retards: No one here condones these instances of legitimate rape) the difference is strictly in the disparity of your SMV's. The stranger-in-the-bush is often characterized as some seedy low-life thug. This evokes intense fear. Being forcefully held down in bed by the muscular CEO of a Fortune 500 company does not evoke this fear. No woman alive is comfortable by the idea that she enjoys rape, so she needs to reframe it. Be aware of that.

So how does the average TRP'er benefit from this? If you're already sexually active with a woman, discuss the concept of a safeword. Even though women love the idea of being taken, there's always the chance that she may be in one of those emotional frames where she genuinely isn't up for sex, this is a failsafe. Once you've established that, next time you're looking to sexually escalate simply ignore her token attempts to refuse. She turns her lips away from a kiss, you force her against a wall and take it. She tries to push you off, you squeeze her. You grab her and throw her onto the bed, then lay into her with your weight so she can't get away. And so on.

Paradoxically this creates intense arousal and pair-bonding in women. I encourage you to try this. Of all the women I've had sex with only ~5% genuinely hated rough, aggressive sex. The other 95% beg for more afterwards. Surprising how many victims offer to make food and drink after their "trauma".

I wouldn't be surprised if this asshole was on an FBI watchlist.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on February 16, 2016, 12:50:39 am
So, I watch an urban explorer called Adam the Woo, and he posted a video a month ago about his breakup with his girlfriend.  While the majority of comments are good and uplifting, I came across these gems:

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I was very let down when a girl i loved married a much older man in his 40's and she is in her early 30's. He is more educated then i am and as a high paying job at a hospital.  Life is unfair sometimes.

Sounds like she was more interested in money than love.

most women are programmed that way - looks and age don't matter, it's the bank balance that matters!

[First Commenter]

That is what gets them hated so much to.

. . .

She was a single parent and had a lot of work load. I suppose i couldn't give her what that older guy can give her. Who had a high paying job at a hospital. They both worked at the same hospital. He must be a boss or something.


I agree, I hate most women. Most women are pure cunts, even women don't like being friends with other women, most jealous nasty creatures in the world.. Thank fuck my wife is one of the good ones!

I'm sorry, but it sounds like he wasn't even in a relationship with this girl, and is just pissed that she didn't fall for a Nice Guy like him.   It doesn't help that further down, I found a couple guys promoting MGTOW and suggesting that Adam watch their videos because "they will help you out".  It kind of puts the above comments into perspective, even if they were from different guys.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 18, 2016, 04:56:38 pm
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Sweden desperately needs a Holocaust to cleanse itself of poz like feminism and multiculturalism.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on February 24, 2016, 12:05:29 am
I pointed out to someone in Facebook that the news article he linked had a flawed analysis of the study it discussed. In the following discussion a friend of his made this interesting statement (translated from Finnish):

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[My name], studies have been published forever. Scientific community evaluates them in one way or other. Nowadays peer review has entered the humanities not least because it is part of the scoring and funding system.

Issues about society and for example history are luckily still published as just books. Peer review is not always a superior apparatus. In my opinion [it] fits better to natural sciences due to their exact nature.

I started this particular discussion trying to keep it very limited and have no energy to lengthy and involved debates. Sigh. Now if I want to make my point clear I have to first establish the necessity of peer review for someone who is apparently a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Edit: Fuck. I wonder why I always pick up my grammatical errors after only after posting despite using the preview.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 24, 2016, 02:23:40 pm
Spoilered because I still don't know how to easily adjust the size of images.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 24, 2016, 03:42:47 pm
Spoilered because I still don't know how to easily adjust the size of images.
(click to show/hide)

Think this fits better in WoSJ.

Also, have you tried tinypic?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sylvana on February 25, 2016, 07:34:14 am
I think the final reply said it best: "We are done being friends now."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 25, 2016, 09:21:51 pm
Awaiting a certain angry post...

Well in my opinion, this shows just how clique-ish some of the parts of the fat acceptance movement can be. I fully support anyone actively trying to lose weight - its the people who say things like Diabetes / heart disease is NOT connected to weight who are promoting an unhealthy idea.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on February 25, 2016, 09:27:23 pm
Awaiting a certain angry post...

Well in my opinion, this shows just how clique-ish some of the parts of the fat acceptance movement can be. I fully support anyone actively trying to lose weight - its the people who say things like Diabetes / heart disease is NOT connected to weight who are promoting an unhealthy idea.

Dude, you are like, so edgy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 26, 2016, 12:02:31 am
Awaiting a certain angry post...

Well in my opinion, this shows just how clique-ish some of the parts of the fat acceptance movement can be. I fully support anyone actively trying to lose weight - its the people who say things like Diabetes / heart disease is NOT connected to weight who are promoting an unhealthy idea.

Dude, you are like, so edgy.

This post kind of strikes me as an utter non sequitur.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on February 26, 2016, 08:27:20 am
I'm indifferent whether people are trying to lose weight or not; nunnamuhbidniss.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 26, 2016, 03:58:48 pm
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dear Black Tumblr
You did not come first.
You did not invent the wheel.
You did not invent the concept of eating food.
You are not God’s gift to the universe.
You are not better than white people or any people, period.
Yes, their is prejudice and racism. But you do not have the right to decide what that is.
You are 50 times more racist than any KKK organization I’ve heard crop up in the past few years. At least I don’t hear them talking about lynching black people in the streets, while black Twitter and Tumblr are always talking about how they want to kill all white people violently and repulsively.
MLK would be ashamed of you.
You did not invent dreadlocks. Hair tangles, and people of hundreds of different cultures and races were using it LONG before you idiots even became the sperms that won. Quit acting like you know everything just because seeing the hairstyle on white people rustles your jimmies.
The police are NOT targeting you. Fight against the mentally disturbed officers and leave the decent ones alone.
Your stupid kids couldn’t go to school and eat during the riots. Remember who started those riots? YOU.
When you’re crowding up malls and blocking highways and airports, you are putting black lives and everyone else’s lives in danger. What if there was a black person who needed to get to work or to a business meeting, but couldn’t because you people thought pushing your agenda was more important than letting people go about their lives? What if he got fired because of it?
Your “black lives matter” argument falls a bit flat when you’re inconveniencing the people you’re so violently trying to protect.
Your individual shade of brown does NOT make you fucking superior to someone else with a different shade of brown. You are pathetic.
And finally, your mothers did not carry you for nine months for you to turn into very thing the people of her time fought to prevent.
Fuck. Off.

Some of these statements aren't so bad in and of themselves.  However, implying that black people on Tumblr are some kind of hive mind is unfortunate, to say the least.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 27, 2016, 07:48:37 am
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dear Black Tumblr
You did not come first.
You did not invent the wheel.
You did not invent the concept of eating food.
You are not God’s gift to the universe.
You are not better than white people or any people, period.
Yes, their is prejudice and racism. But you do not have the right to decide what that is.
You are 50 times more racist than any KKK organization I’ve heard crop up in the past few years. At least I don’t hear them talking about lynching black people in the streets, while black Twitter and Tumblr are always talking about how they want to kill all white people violently and repulsively.
MLK would be ashamed of you.
You did not invent dreadlocks. Hair tangles, and people of hundreds of different cultures and races were using it LONG before you idiots even became the sperms that won. Quit acting like you know everything just because seeing the hairstyle on white people rustles your jimmies.
The police are NOT targeting you. Fight against the mentally disturbed officers and leave the decent ones alone.
Your stupid kids couldn’t go to school and eat during the riots. Remember who started those riots? YOU.
When you’re crowding up malls and blocking highways and airports, you are putting black lives and everyone else’s lives in danger. What if there was a black person who needed to get to work or to a business meeting, but couldn’t because you people thought pushing your agenda was more important than letting people go about their lives? What if he got fired because of it?
Your “black lives matter” argument falls a bit flat when you’re inconveniencing the people you’re so violently trying to protect.
Your individual shade of brown does NOT make you fucking superior to someone else with a different shade of brown. You are pathetic.
And finally, your mothers did not carry you for nine months for you to turn into very thing the people of her time fought to prevent.
Fuck. Off.

Some of these statements aren't so bad in and of themselves.  However, implying that black people on Tumblr are some kind of hive mind is unfortunate, to say the least.
Eh, I couldn't give a rats arse who invented dreadlocks but the BLM movement seems to be definitely on to something about the tendency of US police officers to disproportionately shoot black people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadlocks#Judaism_and_Christianity).

Also, whatever else that individual said they pre judge black kids to be stupid as a given so it renders the rest of their screed moot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 27, 2016, 08:40:01 am
Also, has anyone ever unironically stated that black people invented the concept of eating food?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 27, 2016, 10:33:25 am
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dear Black Tumblr
You did not come first.
You did not invent the wheel.
You did not invent the concept of eating food.
You are not God’s gift to the universe.
You are not better than white people or any people, period.
Yes, their is prejudice and racism. But you do not have the right to decide what that is.
You are 50 times more racist than any KKK organization I’ve heard crop up in the past few years. At least I don’t hear them talking about lynching black people in the streets, while black Twitter and Tumblr are always talking about how they want to kill all white people violently and repulsively.
MLK would be ashamed of you.
You did not invent dreadlocks. Hair tangles, and people of hundreds of different cultures and races were using it LONG before you idiots even became the sperms that won. Quit acting like you know everything just because seeing the hairstyle on white people rustles your jimmies.
The police are NOT targeting you. Fight against the mentally disturbed officers and leave the decent ones alone.
Your stupid kids couldn’t go to school and eat during the riots. Remember who started those riots? YOU.
When you’re crowding up malls and blocking highways and airports, you are putting black lives and everyone else’s lives in danger. What if there was a black person who needed to get to work or to a business meeting, but couldn’t because you people thought pushing your agenda was more important than letting people go about their lives? What if he got fired because of it?
Your “black lives matter” argument falls a bit flat when you’re inconveniencing the people you’re so violently trying to protect.
Your individual shade of brown does NOT make you fucking superior to someone else with a different shade of brown. You are pathetic.
And finally, your mothers did not carry you for nine months for you to turn into very thing the people of her time fought to prevent.
Fuck. Off.

Some of these statements aren't so bad in and of themselves.  However, implying that black people on Tumblr are some kind of hive mind is unfortunate, to say the least.
Eh, I couldn't give a rats arse who invented dreadlocks but the BLM movement seems to be definitely on to something about the tendency of US police officers to disproportionately shoot black people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadlocks#Judaism_and_Christianity).

Also, whatever else that individual said they pre judge black kids to be stupid as a given so it renders the rest of their screed moot.

You're right on both counts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on February 27, 2016, 02:34:44 pm
Also, has anyone ever unironically stated that black people invented the concept of eating food?

The first thing that I thought of was the concept that cooking and/or eating certain foods counted as "cultural appropriation", but I don't know if that's what's being referenced here.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on February 27, 2016, 02:42:55 pm
How is eating food cultural appropriation? If I go to China and eat food with a Chinese family am I appropriating their culture cause I decided to be a diner guest? I swear sometimes the cultural appropriation crowed don't understand how shit works.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 27, 2016, 03:54:52 pm
How is eating food cultural appropriation? If I go to China and eat food with a Chinese family am I appropriating their culture cause I decided to be a diner guest? I swear sometimes the cultural appropriation crowed don't understand how shit works.
Yes. In fact, if you ever even think about doing a thing that people from a different culture also do, then you're a terrible person, and you should die.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on February 27, 2016, 06:11:57 pm
How is eating food cultural appropriation? If I go to China and eat food with a Chinese family am I appropriating their culture cause I decided to be a diner guest? I swear sometimes the cultural appropriation crowed don't understand how shit works.

That's not what cultural appropriation is. Cultural appropriation is going home afterwards and cooking it yourself.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 27, 2016, 06:35:12 pm
How is eating food cultural appropriation? If I go to China and eat food with a Chinese family am I appropriating their culture cause I decided to be a diner guest? I swear sometimes the cultural appropriation crowed don't understand how shit works.

That's not what cultural appropriation is. Cultural appropriation is going home afterwards and cooking it yourself.
So if you're like me that leaves chilli con carne, pasta, stir fried noodles, pizza and rice off the menu.

Also potatoes and tomatoes as they're originally South American.

So that leaves...bread, I guess? Is multigrain ok?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on February 27, 2016, 07:26:49 pm
I can think of exactly ONE example of cultural appropriation being a valid concern: People who aren't Native Americans wearing Native American war bonnets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the ONE instance where the culture people would be "appropriating" from would actually have a legit problem with it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 27, 2016, 08:24:06 pm
I can think of exactly ONE example of cultural appropriation being a valid concern: People who aren't Native Americans wearing Native American war bonnets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the ONE instance where the culture people would be "appropriating" from would actually have a legit problem with it.
Even that, I wouldn't take seriously. At the end of the day, it's just a fucking hat. Just because one group thinks it's sacred does not mean everyone else is obligated to treat it as such.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 27, 2016, 09:40:47 pm
I can think of exactly ONE example of cultural appropriation being a valid concern: People who aren't Native Americans wearing Native American war bonnets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the ONE instance where the culture people would be "appropriating" from would actually have a legit problem with it.
Even that, I wouldn't take seriously. At the end of the day, it's just a fucking hat. Just because one group thinks it's sacred does not mean everyone else is obligated to treat it as such.
I think it's more the memories of genocide and how that was made light of in cowboys and indians films filled with extras wearing said hats than the magic powers hats per se that rustles peoples jimmies, and that is a more legit thing to get steamed up about.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on February 27, 2016, 10:38:04 pm
TIL flat earth theory is an subversive act against the evil Jewish conspiracy and White Genocide™ (http://archive.is/jmyTi).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 27, 2016, 11:10:52 pm

Some of these statements aren't so bad in and of themselves.  However, implying that black people on Tumblr are some kind of hive mind is unfortunate, to say the least.
Eh, I couldn't give a rats arse who invented dreadlocks but the BLM movement seems to be definitely on to something about the tendency of US police officers to disproportionately shoot black people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadlocks#Judaism_and_Christianity).

Also, whatever else that individual said they pre judge black kids to be stupid as a given so it renders the rest of their screed moot.
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Um, does the link go to what you intend it to go to? Because if so, the link seems misplaced. Quoting the wrong text and all that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 27, 2016, 11:50:19 pm


Some of these statements aren't so bad in and of themselves.  However, implying that black people on Tumblr are some kind of hive mind is unfortunate, to say the least.
Eh, I couldn't give a rats arse who invented dreadlocks but the BLM movement seems to be definitely on to something about the tendency of US police officers to disproportionately shoot black people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadlocks#Judaism_and_Christianity).

Also, whatever else that individual said they pre judge black kids to be stupid as a given so it renders the rest of their screed moot.
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Um, does the link go to what you intend it to go to? Because if so, the link seems misplaced. Quoting the wrong text and all that.
[/quote]Holy balls, wrong link.

Well that was a train wreck, here's the link that isn't about ancient dreadlocks. (http://www.mintpressnews.com/776-people-killed-by-police-so-far-in-2015-161-of-them-unarmed/209127/)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 28, 2016, 12:33:49 am
How is eating food cultural appropriation? If I go to China and eat food with a Chinese family am I appropriating their culture cause I decided to be a diner guest? I swear sometimes the cultural appropriation crowed don't understand how shit works.

I quick search found several people complaining about cultural appropriation and food. (I think we had a few of these either in here or worst of SJ thread)

(http://i.imgur.com/RpgEKV5.png)

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/11/foodie-without-appropriation/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/the-food-fight-at-oberlin-college/421401/

https://spoonuniversity.com/news/why-cultural-appropriation-of-food-is-offensive/


I can think of exactly ONE example of cultural appropriation being a valid concern: People who aren't Native Americans wearing Native American war bonnets.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the ONE instance where the culture people would be "appropriating" from would actually have a legit problem with it.

Similarly I've seen Sami people complain about cultural appropriation (well, they rarely use that exact term but the make the same point) when people use bits of their clothing to advertise something. Like a university in Helsinki making up an ad where a student wore something that looked a bit like the traditional Sami costumes but also had weird makeup around the eyes and reindeer horns stuck to her head. And another time when a Finnish contestant in a beauty contest abroad wore a Sami costume which had been bought from a masquerade store. They are very strict about who gets to call themselves Sami and are annoyed that when Finns like to appear more "ethnic" or something they take bits of the Sami culture without really understanding it or bothering to study it. It really is unfair when someone just looks at an actual culture as a piece of prop to be used for fun.

...Soo I actually do think that this particular complaint and the similar ones have a good point.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 28, 2016, 01:06:48 am
How is eating food cultural appropriation? If I go to China and eat food with a Chinese family am I appropriating their culture cause I decided to be a diner guest? I swear sometimes the cultural appropriation crowed don't understand how shit works.

I quick search found several people complaining about cultural appropriation and food. (I think we had a few of these either in here or worst of SJ thread)

(http://i.imgur.com/RpgEKV5.png)

I honestly hate the attitude of "oh, if it's not causing a literal apocalypse then it's not a problem whatsoever". If I shit on someone's front porch, then yeah, I'm not stabbing them in the eye with a knife, but I've still shat on their porch.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 28, 2016, 01:15:37 am
ET, eating westernized Chinese food isn't gonna kill anyone.  Crackers eating non-cracker food isn't a problem.  We all need food, we all eat food.  Getting pissy because Blair Whitebread made some sushi with lunchmeat is like complaining that a fly flew on your perfectly manicured lawn, causing a blade of grass to droop a single micron, thereby fundamentally altering the balance of the entire continent.  Its a ludicrous overreaction to a complete non-issue.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 28, 2016, 01:38:18 am
I honestly hate the attitude of "oh, if it's not causing a literal apocalypse then it's not a problem whatsoever". If I shit on someone's front porch, then yeah, I'm not stabbing them in the eye with a knife, but I've still shat on their porch.
So, do you mean to imply that white people eating food from non-white cultures is in fact a bad thing, or are you just annoyed by reasoning rather than the conclusion?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 28, 2016, 02:36:26 am
The latter.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 28, 2016, 02:39:17 am
Ah, cool beans.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on February 28, 2016, 02:41:12 am
How is eating food cultural appropriation? If I go to China and eat food with a Chinese family am I appropriating their culture cause I decided to be a diner guest? I swear sometimes the cultural appropriation crowed don't understand how shit works.

I quick search found several people complaining about cultural appropriation and food. (I think we had a few of these either in here or worst of SJ thread)

(http://i.imgur.com/RpgEKV5.png)

I honestly hate the attitude of "oh, if it's not causing a literal apocalypse then it's not a problem whatsoever". If I shit on someone's front porch, then yeah, I'm not stabbing them in the eye with a knife, but I've still shat on their porch.

So I could give a shit and restrict myself to northern European cuisine only, or I could not give a shit and still put Hatch green chile on everything.

Yeah, something tells me the noble struggle against cultural appropriation is losing this fight.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 28, 2016, 10:04:21 am
I dunno how I'd live without Mexican, or even just TexMex, spices.  Try and take my chili powder or jalapenos from me, and I will gut you like a fish with my ceramic chef's knife.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on February 29, 2016, 12:38:17 am
Yeah, good luck convincing me to avoid ghost peppers and safron and coconut and jalapeño and...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 29, 2016, 07:20:08 am
Aah, bhut jolokia.  Nice, smoky flavour and packs a punch that could have Saitama on his knees.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on February 29, 2016, 04:03:34 pm
Some comments on a john Oliver video about Donald Trump Drumpf

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You liberal fuckheads.  Fuck the liberal elite.  These pieces of shit in the disgraceful media just proves Trump right.  Get used to President Trump you asshats!  Comrade Sanders is finished, and polls show Trump defeating Shillary the criminal by a wide margin.

GET USED TO TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE BITHCES!!

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wow, the liberal media is really getting desperate. a whole entire
episode that looks like it went back 30+ years of investigation to
attack Trump.
Donald Trump 2016!...........,.,.,.

Yeah, how dare the media point out that his business record over the last few decades is actually pretty bad.  How does that matter when he runs for president?

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trump supporters are a lot smarter than bernie supporters.  how do I know this?  because smart people become successful people and advocate free market economics.

if liberals were so smart, they would run their own businesses or have good jobs! they wouldn't rely on the wealthy for public services and support, they wouldn't need a minimum wage increase.  most of them work a series of low wage, unskilled jobs.

As someone who's done several years hard time in retail, fuck you.  I hate it when people decide that poor = stupid.  How wealthy you are has more to do with whether or not you can get a small loan of a million dollars from your dad then being smart.

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Brits bend over backwards for Muslims and covered up a Muslim rape ring because they were afraid of being called racist, fuck them.

calling muslims terrorists and illegal immigrants rapists, drug dealers, and murderers is not racist, its the truth.  you politically corect obama drones have fucked this country for the past 8 years with your black lives matter bullshit and thug worshipping.  its time to be real again.

Okay that's about as much as I can handle right now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on February 29, 2016, 05:46:22 pm
YouTube comments tend to be the worst, yup. Lotta dumb fucks.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vinroke on February 29, 2016, 09:20:52 pm
people read YT comments? ...what the fuck for?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 09:24:49 pm
people read YT comments? ...what the fuck for?

Maybe it's because they hope to find a diamond in the rough.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on February 29, 2016, 09:29:00 pm
A combination of boredom and morbid curiosity?

PS here's from noted ethics journalist Milo Yiannopoulos

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If you are a KKK supporter and you want race hate and segregation, your best bet today is to support Black Lives Matter.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vinroke on February 29, 2016, 10:42:04 pm
people read YT comments? ...what the fuck for?

Maybe it's because they hope to find a diamond in the rough.

I've never really understood that phrase. We can make diamonds, if you want one so bad just go make one.

A combination of boredom and morbid curiosity?

PS here's from noted ethics journalist Milo Yiannopoulos

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If you are a KKK supporter and you want race hate and segregation, your best bet today is to support Black Lives Matter.

the more I hear of that guy, the more I think that the people listening to him have been lobotomized or something
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 10:48:46 pm
I kinda have a love-hate relationship with Milo.  Some things about him I like and respect, but others I find... eesh.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vinroke on February 29, 2016, 11:07:40 pm
He's an intellectually dishonest shit-stirrer who goes into full professional victim mode whenever anyone calls him on his bullshit, what's to like?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 29, 2016, 11:18:13 pm
He's an intellectually dishonest shit-stirrer who goes into full professional victim mode whenever anyone calls him on his bullshit, what's to like?

I like his hair.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 01, 2016, 12:30:18 am
Honestly, Youtube comments aren't necessarily bad. It all depends what kind of video it is. Look at some lets play and there's fans talking about the game or the person making the videos, look at video that has political or religious stuff on it and the comments are wharrhrgargble and flame wars.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 01, 2016, 12:48:02 am
Kind of depends on if it's a polarising topic doesn't it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 01, 2016, 02:29:41 am
He's an intellectually dishonest shit-stirrer who goes into full professional victim mode whenever anyone calls him on his bullshit, what's to like?

I like his hair.

Agreed - I wish I had a curly looking charcoal black hairmop like that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on March 01, 2016, 11:31:26 am
He's an intellectually dishonest shit-stirrer who goes into full professional victim mode whenever anyone calls him on his bullshit, what's to like?

His article about buying a Mariah Carey CD was unintentionally hilarious and pathetic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 01, 2016, 11:53:36 am
His last name's cool sounding.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 05, 2016, 09:35:53 pm
Okay, so I'm reading We Hunted The Mammoth, and discover that Pick-up artist and White Supremacist Heartiste has written what might be both the worst and best thing ever written about Donald Trump:

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If Trump is beginning to play defense, at this early stage, he risks losing his lead. …

Any feints Trump makes towards the Nation-Wrecking Alliance, such as support (however tepid) for H-1Bs, or constant disavowals of some internet backwater weirdo because media cucks harass him about it every minute, will simply embolden his foes to strike at him twice as hard and four times as often.

So my Game advice to Trump is this: Politics is pickup without the bodily fluids.

The master seducer doesn’t backtrack at the bedroom door.

Keep up the Zero Fucks Given nationalist populism charm assault, and don’t disappoint the swooning voters at the electoral door. Carry them across the threshold. They want you to take them.

Sure, whisper a few sweetly romantic nothings in their ears, show a little of your beta softie side, but when panties are in view don’t sit up and ask “Should I slow down?”. Slip a finger under the waistband. The seduction isn’t over until the Trump voter sighs.

Yes, you did just read that.  An mra neo nazi just said he wants Trump to seduce him and take off his panties.   You're welcome for that mental image.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 06, 2016, 12:31:59 am
The scary part is that he doesn't seem that far off. No backtracking, no compromise seems to be working out for him.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 06, 2016, 09:41:17 am
The scary part is that he doesn't seem that far off. No backtracking, no compromise seems to be working out for him.

The sad part is that this is a (reasonably) viable strategy. It demonstrates the increasingly obvious fact that democracies only function properly when built around a well educated and well informed populace.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on March 06, 2016, 02:13:47 pm
The scary part is that he doesn't seem that far off. No backtracking, no compromise seems to be working out for him.

The sad part is that this is a (reasonably) viable strategy. It demonstrates the increasingly obvious fact that democracies only function properly when built around a well educated and well informed populace.

Now you just made me think of that political ad that's going around of Trump saying "I love the poorly educated".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 06, 2016, 02:47:19 pm
The scary part is that he doesn't seem that far off. No backtracking, no compromise seems to be working out for him.

The sad part is that this is a (reasonably) viable strategy. It demonstrates the increasingly obvious fact that democracies only function properly when built around a well educated and well informed populace.

Now you just made me think of that political ad that's going around of Trump saying "I love the poorly educated".

Wait, he actually said that?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on March 06, 2016, 03:03:20 pm
After the Nevada primary he listed the groups among whom he won and when he mentioned the poorly educated he added that he loves them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXiK9xas7KU
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 06, 2016, 07:38:52 pm
Speaking of the poorly educated:

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lol I consider myself a moderate nazi (i agree with pretty much all of hitlers pre-holocaust ideas, many of which deal with the function of politics in society and exposing the dangers of having idiots ruling over people). Id love to see any of them try to fight anyone else outside a videogame.

edit: so because people are obviously brainwashed by Zionist media (which most non-Zionist jews hate) I should explain that I do not hate jews nor do I harbor ill will toward anyone based on race. I simply disagree with the false history that takes for granted peoples lives that have died for their cause. the Nazi government was simply WRONG. they were using meth and all sorts of other things that eliminate emotion and empathy. the holocaust happened, but the way it is portrayed in modern "history" is far from the truth. everyone ignores the soviets and japanese, who were much worse than Nazi's ever were.

The thing that really tipped this over the edge for me was the phrase "moderate Nazi."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on March 06, 2016, 08:10:23 pm
The thing that really tipped this over the edge for me was the phrase "moderate Nazi."

You don't think there were any moderate Nazis out there? My guess is they far outnumbered the extremists.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 06, 2016, 08:39:35 pm
As dirty as it makes me feel I can't jump on UP for this one. Since WWII Nazis have become a virtual byword for extremism. Mostly because of the holocaust. Attempting genocide is a pretty extreme position. Unlike many who might claim to be moderate Nazis, the particular poster, appears to acknowledge that the holocaust occurred. Nor do they condemn it, in fact they implicitly endorse it.

I think its hard to consider yourself a moderate if you support the genocide of jews, gypsies and homosexuals in continental Europe.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on March 06, 2016, 08:45:59 pm
As dirty as it makes me feel I can't jump on UP for this one. Since WWII Nazis have become a virtual byword for extremism. Mostly because of the holocaust. Attempting genocide is a pretty extreme position. Unlike many who might claim to be moderate Nazis, the particular poster, appears to acknowledge that the holocaust occurred. Nor do they condemn it, in fact they implicitly endorse it.

I think its hard to consider yourself a moderate if you support the genocide of jews, gypsies and homosexuals in continental Europe.

But the moderate Nazis would say they didn't have anything to do with that -- that it was the violent extremists who went that far.

Surely you aren't implying a moderate majority with a questionable core ideology would sustain a culture that enables violent extremism.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 06, 2016, 08:54:50 pm
I was saying that you could not claim to be a moderate Nazi without being a holocaust denier. As for the actual Nazis between 1939 and 1945 I don't think you could be a moderate Nazi if you were aware of the holocaust occurring and remained philosophically a Nazi rather than simply out of fear.

I wasn't intending to get into the questions about moderate ideologies or the fallacy of the middle ground.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on March 06, 2016, 09:25:04 pm
As dirty as it makes me feel I can't jump on UP for this one. Since WWII Nazis have become a virtual byword for extremism. Mostly because of the holocaust. Attempting genocide is a pretty extreme position. Unlike many who might claim to be moderate Nazis, the particular poster, appears to acknowledge that the holocaust occurred. Nor do they condemn it, in fact they implicitly endorse it.

I think its hard to consider yourself a moderate if you support the genocide of jews, gypsies and homosexuals in continental Europe.

But the moderate Nazis would say they didn't have anything to do with that -- that it was the violent extremists who went that far.

Surely you aren't implying a moderate majority with a questionable core ideology would sustain a culture that enables violent extremism.

I see what you're doing. Stop it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Søren on March 06, 2016, 09:56:04 pm
Go on stormfront, theres a few moderate nazis on there, but they tend to get chewed out really quick.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vinroke on March 07, 2016, 06:12:22 am
Go on stormfront, theres a few moderate nazis on there, but they tend to get chewed out really quick.

I'd much rather stay the fuck away from stormfront tbh

As dirty as it makes me feel I can't jump on UP for this one. Since WWII Nazis have become a virtual byword for extremism. Mostly because of the holocaust. Attempting genocide is a pretty extreme position. Unlike many who might claim to be moderate Nazis, the particular poster, appears to acknowledge that the holocaust occurred. Nor do they condemn it, in fact they implicitly endorse it.

I think its hard to consider yourself a moderate if you support the genocide of jews, gypsies and homosexuals in continental Europe.

But the moderate Nazis would say they didn't have anything to do with that -- that it was the violent extremists who went that far.

Surely you aren't implying a moderate majority with a questionable core ideology would sustain a culture that enables violent extremism.

I see what you're doing. Stop it.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 07, 2016, 03:27:17 pm
There probably were moderate Nazis, and they probably didn't know about the holocaust, thinking that the work camps were just that.

But moderates do not call themselves Nazis nowadays, unless they're holocaust deniers.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 07, 2016, 06:27:21 pm
Calling yourself a moderate Nazi is just trying to put a pretty face on your Hitler fanboyism. Someone who really was a moderate would just call themselves a fascist.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 08, 2016, 04:42:48 am
Let's be honest. The Nazis managed to do SO MUCH stuff in few short years. Opposing tobacco, promoting moderate drinking, promoting animal rights, making bogus studies that claim homosexuality is an infectious disease, Hitler's well known vegetarianism... It wasn't all Hugo Boss clothes and death camps for the Nazis.

But as far as I know their actual politics in running a country and the economy sucked. They were populists and managed to get a cult following but even without the war they would have run Germany to the ground. Saying that you like their policies in moderation is silly because the actual politics for Nazis weren't that good.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 05:37:42 am
Go on stormfront, theres a few moderate nazis on there, but they tend to get chewed out really quick.
Absolutely fascinated by this whole "moderate Nazi" thing. Does it range from the Leni Riefenstahl's through to the Heinrich Himmler's or is it a fashion thing with Bormann on the most moderate end of the scale and Hermann Göring out in the no fucks to give about moderate Aryan fashion Nazi end?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on March 08, 2016, 06:15:05 am
I've previously mentioned here that a friend of mine identifies as a Nazi and I think a moderate Nazi describes him pretty well. To put it shortly he is virulently anti-Semitic and flirts with holocaust denial but is otherwise socially fairly liberal and hates other kinds of racism - for example, he openly despises Soldiers of Odin. Also, he's openly bisexual and is apparently either in denial about the rampant homophobia among Nazis or thinks it is a distortion of the ideology. He keeps making different interpretations about the ideology to make it fit his world view and is in serious denial about Hitler's flaws. I think he does this at least partly to better troll people.

So, yeah. You can be a moderate Nazi as long as you are skilled in mental gymnastics.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 08, 2016, 06:34:16 am
What about the Russian Neo-Nazis who don't seem to understand that the original Nazis wouldn't have considered them Aryans or approved of their homosexuality?

http://www.vice.com/read/meet-russias-gay-aryan-skinheads-finally-bringing-homosexuality-to-the-neo-nazi-world

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Much like the Malays, minor historical details like rampant persecution and horrific genocide have apparently been forgotten by the Russians. The first such group I came across were the Gay Union of Patriots of Russia, whose members spout bizarre theories about how only gay men can be true Russian patriots.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 08, 2016, 10:43:24 am
Or a gay Nazi brony. (http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=112636)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on March 08, 2016, 03:12:23 pm
How are you defining Nazi?

In a literal sense the last few actual nazis, moderate or otherwise, are in their 90s and steadily dying out.

Back in't day you needed party membership to get into certain professions (or at least get past the entry level in your field), so yeah there were millions of people who joined for the perks.  They don't necessarily share the crazy.

But today? You can be an average garden variety stormfag, but you'll never be a nazi...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 04:26:35 pm
No true Nazi?

In any case it's nothing to aspire to, if there is one thing I am happy about the whole Nazi gay skinhead thing is that it would infuriate original Nazis. Think about it a slav "untersmench" with a concentration camp hairdo wearing a Jamaican influenced outfit and bearing a crooked cross with two crossed cocks under it.

I hope the chucklefucks in the original NSDAP are spinning in their graves.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on March 08, 2016, 04:40:25 pm
No true Nazi?

Hardly.  It's just that as a label it's pretty meaningless if you aren't using it within its' proper historical concept.

Not quite as annoying as people who refer to any and all authoritarian forms of government as Fascist, but it's up there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 10:56:54 pm
No true Nazi?

Hardly.  It's just that as a label it's pretty meaningless if you aren't using it within its' proper historical concept.

Not quite as annoying as people who refer to any and all authoritarian forms of government as Fascist, but it's up there.
I think people have been using "Nazi" to mean groups outside the defunct National Socialist German Workers' Party since that world war 2 thing wrapped up.

I suppose Nazi skins, Nazi bikers, Nazi prison gangs, Nazi posters on /pol and the American Nazi Party are neo Nazis but who the fuck cares? They dig swastikas, they hate anyone who isn't a straight, WASPish type with far right wing beliefs. Fuck 'em, they're Nazis.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2016, 09:40:24 am
While we're talking about Nazis:

(click to show/hide)

On the bright side, some of my faith in Redditors has been restored.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 12, 2016, 02:04:16 pm
You can tell that person is a bit suspicious when they describe a starving child as an "it"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on March 12, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
I'm not sure if the evidence was kept after the Nuremburg Tribunals, but it filled numerous freight train boxcars. That'd be a nice pile to plop holocaust deniers upon. Tons and tons worth of documents, photos, reports, records and ledgers compiled by Wehrmacht clerks counting the people, their personal items, and gross weight categories of valuable materials taken from camp victims. That'd be an actual Slippery Slope, trying to make you way down off a 50 foot tall pile of loose documents.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on March 12, 2016, 06:19:37 pm
I'm not sure if the evidence was kept after the Nuremburg Tribunals, but it filled numerous freight train boxcars. That'd be a nice pile to plop holocaust deniers upon. Tons and tons worth of documents, photos, reports, records and ledgers compiled by Wehrmacht clerks counting the people, their personal items, and gross weight categories of valuable materials taken from camp victims. That'd be an actual Slippery Slope, trying to make you way down off a 50 foot tall pile of loose documents.

But it was all faked by TEH EBIL JOOS.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on March 12, 2016, 07:41:45 pm
I know, right? It's just an astounding body of work!

Here's a candid pic of TEH EBIL JOOS on break between sets at the Dachau-Drumpf Center during their first tour.

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*picture taken after liberation, all shown survived.






Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 14, 2016, 11:51:33 pm
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/20zwric.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: lord gibbon on March 15, 2016, 12:29:05 am
WHAT. THE. FUCK.

Is that saying what I think it's saying? Cutting yourself is fucking brave?!

I need to go hit something now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on March 15, 2016, 12:30:04 am
Wait. That's not a pic of admitting you have a problem?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sylvana on March 15, 2016, 04:12:27 am
Wait. That's not a pic of admitting you have a problem?
Well she has a problem, she is cutting the wrong way.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2016, 04:28:58 am
WHAT. THE. FUCK.

Is that saying what I think it's saying? Cutting yourself is fucking brave?!

I need to go hit something now.

I read it as sarcasm, personally. Though Poe's Law is still very much a thing, so it could go either way.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 16, 2016, 02:30:09 am
not like fear can impair one's ability to defend oneself or anything
not like blackmail and coercion are things that can impair one's ability to defend oneself and give proper consent
not like everyone's not physically strong enough to ward off rapists
not like you can't defend yourself when you're unconscious
not like everyone doesn't have a fucking anti-rape squad on their goddamn speed dial

no no, if you were raped it was because you were too weak
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 16, 2016, 02:35:44 am
not like fear can impair one's ability to defend oneself or anything
not like blackmail and coercion are things that can impair one's ability to defend oneself and give proper consent
not like everyone's not physically strong enough to ward off rapists
not like you can't defend yourself when you're unconscious
not like everyone doesn't have a fucking anti-rape squad on their goddamn speed dial

no no, if you were raped it was because you were too weak

Also, the rapist could just point a gun at the victim's head and tell them that they get shot if they resist. There are simply times when resisting will get you killed and shaming the victim for not being able to fight off an army is not really constructive.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 16, 2016, 03:46:37 am
Oh my god that guy in Worst Political Cartoons is a goddamn goldmine. (http://lordelthibar.deviantart.com/)

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Today's feminism is practically degrading men to be dependent on women and actually giving women more rights than men. Plus it is a threat to the family and is endangering our children to be raised by the institutions instead of the family.  If they want control over pregnancy, don't have sex, it's as simple as that.

When and where the fuck has male oppression by women ever goddamn happened? And what in the shitting dick does insitutionalization have to do with feminism? Also, gotta love that "nine months of pregnancy (and implicitly 18 years of child-rearing) is something women have to accept as a price when they dare have sex, but I'm totally not a misogynist or anything" attitude.

He also writes godawful self-insert Tangled/Brave fanfic where his insert married Merida and is Eugene's brother and the narration shills Protestantism like he were getting paid for it. Just to frost that shit cake with an icing of amazingly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 17, 2016, 11:05:46 am
(http://i.imgur.com/yYZ9Fc2.jpg)

...Sometimes I am still amazed at how people can not criticize themselves or their beliefs and can miss the point even when it is shown to them as clearly as it is in pic related. I believe the word I am looking for is introspection.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lady Evil on March 17, 2016, 04:13:48 pm
Oh my god that guy in Worst Political Cartoons is a goddamn goldmine. (http://lordelthibar.deviantart.com/)

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Today's feminism is practically degrading men to be dependent on women and actually giving women more rights than men. Plus it is a threat to the family and is endangering our children to be raised by the institutions instead of the family.  If they want control over pregnancy, don't have sex, it's as simple as that.

When and where the fuck has male oppression by women ever goddamn happened? And what in the shitting dick does insitutionalization have to do with feminism? Also, gotta love that "nine months of pregnancy (and implicitly 18 years of child-rearing) is something women have to accept as a price when they dare have sex, but I'm totally not a misogynist or anything" attitude.

He also writes godawful self-insert Tangled/Brave fanfic where his insert married Merida and is Eugene's brother and the narration shills Protestantism like he were getting paid for it. Just to frost that shit cake with an icing of amazingly ridiculous.

I'm laughing my ass off at his "countless hours" comment. Right. Five minutes with a box of Crayolas. Think we found the new ChrisChan! I wonder if that Merida fanboy has seen this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a4MR8oI_B8

Oh, read some of his writing. He seems to like Billy Connolly not being fond of Catholicism. Thing is, Connolly isn't fond of religion in general. And he uses naughty words!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cfWRQPcE8A
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 17, 2016, 04:28:04 pm
Also loving the fact that he looked at Merida and Elsa, some of the few female leads in Disney canon whose story didn't involve a male love interest, and thought: "Hey, you know what these independent female protagonists need? Hetero romance! Specifically, with my self-insert!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 17, 2016, 07:16:15 pm
... Well at least he's not shipping Elsa with her sister...

@Askold

I kinda agree with Elsa there, although she doesn't state her case very well.  Telling a black person complaining about racism "well teach other black people not to steal" has huge victim blaming connotations that I really don't see in "teach men not to rape", the point of which is to not blame the rape victim, not all men are rapists.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 17, 2016, 07:56:40 pm
... Well at least he's not shipping Elsa with her sister...

@Askold

I kinda agree with Elsa there, although she doesn't state her case very well.  Telling a black person complaining about racism "well teach other black people not to steal" has huge victim blaming connotations that I really don't see in "teach men not to rape", the point of which is to not blame the rape victim, not all men are rapists.

Yeah, no.  Statements like that imply that "rapist" is the default setting for men.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 17, 2016, 08:07:18 pm
No it doesn't.  "Teach men not to rape" is a response to rape victims being told they were asking for it by not wearing enough clothes, daring to go outside at night etc instead of putting the responsibility on the rapist.  If you prefer "teach rapists not to rape" fine, but it's not about saying men are rapists by default.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 17, 2016, 08:34:01 pm
No it doesn't.  "Teach men not to rape" is a response to rape victims being told they were asking for it by not wearing enough clothes, daring to go outside at night etc instead of putting the responsibility on the rapist.  If you prefer "teach rapists not to rape" fine, but it's not about saying men are rapists by default.

Except the idea that men have to be "taught" not to rape, as if it's something we naturally do.  It doesn't outright say it, but it heavily implies it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on March 17, 2016, 08:46:01 pm
I'm siding with UP on this one. It reminds me how some people - without intending any disrespect at all - just did not get the what the statement, Black Lives Matter, means in context. "But, all lives matter!"...riiiight....aaaand....black people get killed a lot more often for way worse reasons than any other group, 'k?

Teach Men NOT to Rape? Learn How Not to Insult, whether out of crappy sentence composition, or cluelessness, or paranoid bigotry.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on March 17, 2016, 08:50:57 pm
No it doesn't.  "Teach men not to rape" is a response to rape victims being told they were asking for it by not wearing enough clothes, daring to go outside at night etc instead of putting the responsibility on the rapist.  If you prefer "teach rapists not to rape" fine, but it's not about saying men are rapists by default.

Except the idea that men have to be "taught" not to rape, as if it's something we naturally do.  It doesn't outright say it, but it heavily implies it.

UP, grow some thicker skin.

If conservatives were half as offended at rape apologetics as they seem to be about this then it never would've been a problem in the first place.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 17, 2016, 09:02:16 pm
Let's take a look at the original quote:

(http://i.imgur.com/yYZ9Fc2.jpg)

...Sometimes I am still amazed at how people can not criticize themselves or their beliefs and can miss the point even when it is shown to them as clearly as it is in pic related. I believe the word I am looking for is introspection.

We see here Elsa asking "what is hateful about teaching men not to rape?" Certainly a fair question. Goodfella replies by asking two other, similar questions: "what is hateful about teaching black people not to steal?" and "what is hateful about teaching Muslims not to blow things up?" In this, he is establishing a direct comparison: men, black people, and Muslims, with raping, stealing, and blowing things up. Elsa then replies that those two things are hateful because "it implies that all black people steal things and that all Muslims blow things up", which by the comparison made in the post, implies she's perfectly okay with implying that all men rape. Which is, I believe, the problem people have - the implication that all men rape, that rape is a natural thing men do and they need to be taught not to do it.

Which, if that's actually true, I need to get on with my raping. I haven't even done it once.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on March 18, 2016, 10:29:08 am
Yeah, 6oodfella's point was pretty logical and went right over the head of Elsa. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on March 18, 2016, 02:21:34 pm
I accidentally posted this in the SJ thread so here it's also in the proper place.

re: the rape discussion

tl;dr: The examples are not directly comparable since the contexts and ideas they express are different despite superficially similar statements.

The offensiveness is not in the form of the statement but in the idea behind it. "Teach men not to rape" is not an optimally constructed statement* but the context is different from the similar statements about blacks and Muslims. The stereotypes of blacks as criminals and Muslims as terrorists actually exist and those examples are based on and strengthen these stereotypes. Men as rapists is something only an extreme radical wing of feminism sees as a real stereotype.

The idea behind "teaching men not to rape" it is that we need to change the culture that leads to some men not taking the idea of consent seriously enough and justifies their actions. The only case where it promotes an actual stereotype is when someone who belongs to the aforementioned wing of feminism uses it. The crime statistics among African Americans and the terrorism among Muslims have more complicated causal relationships behind them and a constructive approach can't really be simplified into such a statement.

[rambling]

Actually, when I think about it more carefully, one big issue separating these examples is power. (Yes, I went there but hear me out before judging.) Rape is about subjugating the victim and the perpetrator is the one who has more power. The one who has more power in the context is the one who we need to put pressure on. Muslim terrorism is a reaction of an underdog to a political and societal issues** and the crime among African Americans is a result of economical and social circumstances.

"Teach muslims not to commit terrorism" and "teach blacks not to steal" don't have identical contexts either. Depending on the particular context in which someone uses the statement the former can actually be interpreted as an extremely flawed way of simplifying an idea worth considering. For example, the issue with power is more complicated: factions within the Muslim world hold a lot more power and carry more responsibility of terrorism than is the case when discussing African Americans and crime.

[/rambling]

* While I don't think the superficial interpretation of the flawed statement as too generalizing is a major problem there is the issue that women also commit rapes.

** Religion is naturally interwoven with these factors

Disclaimer: There are other dimensions of rape that fall outside this discussion such as its use as a weapon against civilian population.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on March 18, 2016, 08:27:07 pm
Posted by an allegedly "former male feminist":

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I think we should survey feminists on what they think about declawing cats and circumcising infant boys.
I bet you we’d find a lot more feminists objecting to declawing than circumcision.

I don't know, anti-circumcision in all circumstances seems to be growing sentiment to me.  Also, how is the removal of a piece of skin around the penis head at all comparable to removing the toe tips of a cat?

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on March 18, 2016, 08:57:31 pm
Posted by an allegedly "former male feminist":

Is that like those pastors with the "I used to be an atheist" backstory?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 18, 2016, 09:00:36 pm
Posted by an allegedly "former male feminist":

Is that like those pastors with the "I used to be an atheist" backstory?

As in "I'm making a completely unprovable claim that's likely bullshit to not-so-subtly add credibility to my statements?"  If so, then yes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on March 20, 2016, 10:24:10 am
This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxY6TYBKoc) video on a gay couple that was attacked with boiling water.  That's bad enough, but some of the comments think that the attacker was in the right, even though this was clearly an unprovoked attack. 

Although I have to chuckle at the line "get out of my house with all your gay". 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 20, 2016, 03:42:44 pm
Here we see an idiot trying to reframe the Holocaust as the end result of a struggle between Jews and gentiles in Europe:

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Holocaust scholars are not impartial, they are operating within a particular political and ideological framework that determines how they interpret historical events.

That is not to say that the material they present is not factual, or that they falsify historical events. What they do do is to interpret those events according to a particular ideological formula, the main element of which is the concept that the Jews of Europe were purely victims, and that their massacre during the war was some sort of mystical emanation of evil without any rational explanation.

In fact, "Holocaust" scholars seem to regard any attempt to find a rational explanation for the massacre of the Jews as a form of "denial", of justification or approval, which in itself is also some sort of emanation of evil.

In that respect, the study of the massacre of the Jews of Europe by the German Government during the Second World War differs in essence from the study of other large-scale massacres in history. Those other massacres are not usually seen in the same apocalyptic terms, not as cosmic conflicts between absolute good and absolute evil, but rather as the outcome of conflicts between rival groups that have rational and explicable causes.

While those other massacres are usually deplored by the historians writing about them, and the victims attract their sympathy as being for the most part innocent, those historians can see the objective reasons why the victims attracted the ire of the victimisers, and while they condemn the murderous actions of the victimisers, they can understand the motivations for those actions and do not simply write them off as the result of some evil force.

In the case of the massacres of Jews perpetrated by Ukrainians (and some other East European peoples), "Holocaust" scholars tend to deny that those peoples had any rational motivation for their actions, no genuine and understandable grievance against their Jewish neighbours. They describe the those peoples as either acting out of some internal evil tendency, or else as being passive dupes of the evil Germans.

It is for the above reasons that the works of the "Holocaust" scholars are flawed, even though they give an accurate account of the course of the Judeocide. Where they fail is in their explanations of its causes, seeing it in apocalyptic terms, as an outburst of totally irrational evil.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 20, 2016, 07:58:57 pm
Okay, curiosity got the better of me so I'll bite.

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...no genuine and understandable grievance...

Does this dipshit say what would those consist of?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 20, 2016, 09:27:39 pm
I think what he means is anything that can't be linked to Christendom or the rise of Martin Luther, which is (I'd bet) next to nothing since all this crap is basically linked to the idea that "DA JOOS KILLED AR SAVIOUR!"  Completely ignoring the fact that there'd be no salvation if there'd been no sacrifice because Yahweh is kind of a prick like that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 23, 2016, 01:36:37 am
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Woman are friends with woman, and they have sex with men. So if you’re her friend, you’re a vagina.  You ask this girl to be your gf, she rejects you but ask if we can still be friends. That’s a insult, she thinks less of you.  A male and female aren’t suppose to be friends, they’re suppose to be love intrest. So basically you’re a vagina, because girls are suppose to be friends with girls, and fuck men. Also girls are horrible friends, all they do is leech off you, and cause drama.

So when a girl rejects you, and puts you in the friendzone, it’s a insult. Next time she says let’s just be friends, say no thank you.

Wow I had know idea being friends with a woman meant I was a vagina.  i thought it just meant I was a normal person who shared some interests with people with two X-chromosomes without wanting to bang them.  Thanks you r/TheRedPill for showing me the way.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 23, 2016, 01:42:12 am
I AM THE ATOMIC FLAMETHROWING VAGINA! MY POWERS ARE LIMITLESS AS THE DEPTH OF MY CLEFT! MY OVARIES BREED DOOM FOR THE HUMAN RACE!!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 23, 2016, 04:04:11 am
Olli Immonen, the Finnish politician who got fame by hanging out with violent neo-Nazis and then claiming that he didn't hang out with them as well as writing a manifesto where he supported an armed revolution to stop "multiculturalism" is doing his thing again.

This time he started a FB post with condolences to the victims of the Brussels attacks and then went on to explain how the "real victims" or racism are Finnish-heterosexual-meat-eating-men...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2016, 01:51:40 pm
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I commented this in another thread, and I feel like it must be given more attention:

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(That's because) genetics > culture. Anybody that thinks it's the other way around must ask themself where these barbaric cultures originated, which ethnicities' minds created them and why they still exist in areas where said ethnicities have notable populations.

To expand upon this, we will look elsewhere that the human races are sometimes compared to: dog breeds. A German shepherd and a chihuahua are the same species, but are very different physically and behaviourally. They maintain the basic features that allow us to recognize them both as types of dog, yet vary depending upon how they've evolved. Nobody will deny these facts.

However, once this logic is applied to human races/subspecies, all logic seems to go out the window.

"It's not genetics that causes certain groups to be violent and parasitic wherever they live, it's their culture! We just need to integrate them harder! Nazi!"

Refer to my original paragraph. Who created their vile cultures? For the logic impaired, think about it for a few minutes and ignore all the ingrained labels like "racist" and "bigot". Now think about this: whose culture(s) are you saying we should integrate them into? That's right, you're saying we must integrate these ethnic groups into our superior European cultures; the cultures that are responsible for centuries of innovation, discovery and victory.

To examine their cultures and make the observation that they breed violence, literal misogyny, literal homophobia and other forms of genuine hatred/bigotry, and have accomplished no way near as much as Europeans, shows that they are absolutely inferior. What does that say about the ethnicities that created these cultures? It shows that such behaviour is only natural to them.

An ethnicity's native culture is a direct representation of their mental capacity and true nature. This representation goes so deep that it will always have control over the ethnic group's aggression, tendency to punish members of their own kind for different ideologies, and even determine whether they will use a toilet or the street to expel waste.

To say that we must integrate these groups who come from such cultures is to acknowledge that they are not on the same level as Europeans. Remember the next time a lefty tells you we must integrate them; they are subtly admitting that Europeans are superior. Deep down, even the most deluded socialist or open borders activist knows the truth.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 23, 2016, 02:02:18 pm
Wow I had know idea being friends with a woman meant I was a vagina.  i thought it just meant I was a normal person who shared some interests with people with two X-chromosomes without wanting to bang them.  Thanks you r/TheRedPill for showing me the way.

He didn't say "have." He said "are."

Don't ask be how that works, but we're apparently the somewhat more frontal version of the judge from Pink Floyd's The Wall.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 23, 2016, 02:24:28 pm
So what about married people? They're all about calling people cucks, but here they are, advocating cuckoldry.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 23, 2016, 02:51:54 pm
"Cuck" is being used as an insult and it lost its meaning long time ago. These days anything the /pol/lacks don't like is being called cuck.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 23, 2016, 04:24:37 pm
Overuse of the word "cuck" is so cuck I can't help but cuck at the cuckiness of any cuckold that would cucking use the word "cuck" without cucking about what it actually cucks.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 23, 2016, 05:13:11 pm
I'm the most Cuckable Cuck to ever Cuckly Cuckify in the Cuckhood.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 23, 2016, 05:16:35 pm
Whats the fascination with other guys fucking your wife? And the whole thing is rather possessive, because it's YOUR wife. Like she isn't capable of self determination.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 23, 2016, 05:32:42 pm
Davedan you're forgetting:  your wife is your property, and all women from your race are collectively the property of their men.  If a white woman has consensual sex with someone from another race, that sex is being stolen from you. 

If you weren't such a Cuckish Cuckold Cuckfully Cucking your Cuckism you might understand that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 23, 2016, 05:48:04 pm
Davedan you're forgetting:  your wife is your property, and all women from your race are collectively the property of their men.  If a white woman has consensual sex with someone from another race, that sex is being stolen from you. 

If you weren't such a Cuckish Cuckold Cuckfully Cucking your Cuckism you might understand that.

But what if I'm tired? I mean I'm not from havana baby
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 23, 2016, 08:32:45 pm
But what if I'm tired? I mean I'm not from havana baby

Cuck-a-doodle-doo!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on March 23, 2016, 11:09:46 pm
Davedan you're forgetting:  your wife is your property, and all women from your race are collectively the property of their men.  If a white woman has consensual sex with someone from another race, that sex is being stolen from you. 

If you weren't such a Cuckish Cuckold Cuckfully Cucking your Cuckism you might understand that.

But what if I'm tired? I mean I'm not from havana baby

Bart?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 25, 2016, 10:17:43 am
Yeah, this is some straight-up bullshit. You wanna discuss ace erasure? Okay, sure, but don't fucking derail a thread about homosexuality literally being outlawed to talk about it.

Jesus Christ, fuckheads like this make all of us look bad.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 25, 2016, 03:58:22 pm
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Radovan Karadzic hero!40 yrs in jail for defending Serbian people from bosnian and croatian faschists???I hope judge will die from cancer.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on March 27, 2016, 02:32:53 pm
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If you can't be friends with people who have different political beliefs, the problem is with you, not your friends.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on March 27, 2016, 03:36:09 pm
Ummmmmm. I agree, actually. Yes, the personal is the political. But if you just cannot see the person beyond their opinions, simply cannot forgive someone for believing stupid and/or just wrong things, you have denied their humanity in a way. One has that right, of course, to reject people for their opinions, but personally I'll keep being fond of my cousin and of my friends who are conservatives. I don't hold their stupidity in some areas against them as human beings.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on March 27, 2016, 04:00:02 pm
Ummmmmm. I agree, actually. Yes, the personal is the political. But if you just cannot see the person beyond their opinions, simply cannot forgive someone for believing stupid and/or just wrong things, you have denied their humanity in a way. One has that right, of course, to reject people for their opinions, but personally I'll keep being fond of my cousin and of my friends who are conservatives. I don't hold their stupidity in some areas against them as human beings.

Sounds like you have the privilege to be a demographic who isn't threatened with displacement or death by political movements. Many people have to avoid others with political beliefs that involve harming them and others like them.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 27, 2016, 04:04:47 pm
I disagree, mellen. In my opinion, it's perfectly justified to not want to interact with someone over an opinion of theirs if it's particularly harsh. There are some opinions that I can't just 'agree to disagree' with and continue being comfortably friendly despite. In some cases, people's opinions do reflect on them as people and particularly shitty ones alienate others from me on an interpersonal level, and that's fine. It's also not "denying their humanity" in any way. As an example:

Quote from: Person A
I personally believe church tax in Finland should continue to be a policy, as it funds the charity work that the national church performs.

Well, person A who is a hypothetical strawman, while I personally disagree with that political opinion, I can still respect you as a person.

Quote from: Person B
I personally believe all gay people are mentally ill and conversion therapy is A-OK.

...no, person B who despite being a strawman espouses attitudes I have seen real people espouse, I can't respect your opinion or you as a person since you're dehumanizing an already-marginalized subset of humanity (that includes myself and those I care about). And I'm no worse a person for not wanting you in my life or forcing myself to look past this.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on March 27, 2016, 04:15:11 pm
Ummmmmm. I agree, actually. Yes, the personal is the political. But if you just cannot see the person beyond their opinions, simply cannot forgive someone for believing stupid and/or just wrong things, you have denied their humanity in a way. One has that right, of course, to reject people for their opinions, but personally I'll keep being fond of my cousin and of my friends who are conservatives. I don't hold their stupidity in some areas against them as human beings.

I think the quote was put here because it ignores marginalized people who cut out family or friends for their own health.  Some people really do need to break ties with people to be happy, especially on issues that directly affect them.  I wouldn't blame a gay person for cutting ties with "well meaning" friends who go "oh, I don't hate you, I just don't think you should have the same rights as me".

That being said, the way some social circles pressure people to cut all ties, especially family ties, at the drop of a hat due to "guilt by association" is kind of gross.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 27, 2016, 07:40:23 pm
I disagree, mellen. In my opinion, it's perfectly justified to not want to interact with someone over an opinion of theirs if it's particularly harsh. There are some opinions that I can't just 'agree to disagree' with and continue being comfortably friendly despite. In some cases, people's opinions do reflect on them as people and particularly shitty ones alienate others from me on an interpersonal level, and that's fine. It's also not "denying their humanity" in any way. As an example:

Quote from: Person A
I personally believe church tax in Finland should continue to be a policy, as it funds the charity work that the national church performs.

Well, person A who is a hypothetical strawman, while I personally disagree with that political opinion, I can still respect you as a person.

Quote from: Person B
I personally believe all gay people are mentally ill and conversion therapy is A-OK.

...no, person B who despite being a strawman espouses attitudes I have seen real people espouse, I can't respect your opinion or you as a person since you're dehumanizing an already-marginalized subset of humanity (that includes myself and those I care about). And I'm no worse a person for not wanting you in my life or forcing myself to look past this.

"Can't be friends with someone with different political beliefs" is distinct from "can't be friends with someone with specific political beliefs".

You can be a generally tolerant person but refuse to be friends with someone who believes you should be killed over your ethnicity/orientation/gender identity/whatever, that's perfectly reasonable. The objection (mine, and I think Mellen's) is to people who refuse to interact with anyone who is not part of the same political movement.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 27, 2016, 07:56:42 pm
Oh, yeah, that's fair enough. I'm just used to people using "different political beliefs" as shorthand for "this person thinks you're broken/sick/inferior (and you need to grow a thicker skin you SJW)", but your reading is the more optimistic and in light of that, mellen's got a point.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 27, 2016, 09:54:31 pm
My family moved because my transgendered mother was forced to live like a prisoner in our home by people with "different political beliefs." We no longer live there, and are no longer friends with the residents.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on March 27, 2016, 10:59:09 pm
I'm glad you two made that move. It's especially harmful when family behavior is that toxic and vicious.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 30, 2016, 01:43:22 am
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Hitler stopped degeneracy in Berlin (Former sin capital of the world)
He burnt pro communist books
He bought the German economy up from the ground whilst the rest of the world was in a great depression.
He built the first highways and gave everyone a car.
He kicked the jews who were destroying German culture into their own state in the middle east
He gave pregnant women welfare and support
He put a focus on Child health
He started the first anti smoking campaign
He ordered his troops to march into the czech republic and execute those massacring Germans
And you think calling Trump Hitler will stop me supporting him?

Either he is lying or simply wrong about: Stopping degeneracy, Jews destroying the culture and the massacres of Germans that allegedly happened in Czech Republic. And the child health thing is debatable as their "racial hygiene" program only cared for the health of certain children. ...And the highways weren't a Nazi plan, they had opposed the idea of building roads up to the moment when Hitler became the councellor at which point they let the plans proceed and took credit for the idea.

But I do agree that the anti-smoking campaign was a good idea.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 30, 2016, 02:08:57 am
Even assuming for a second that all of that is true, and therefore you would support Hitler for everything he did for Germany, you have to remember that his genius idea of attacking both the Soviets and the French (and by extension the rest of the western democracies) at the same time led to Germany being split into a Soviet puppet state and an American puppet state for almost 45 years. He did great work burning all of those communist books, then his actions put around 3rd of his country under the communist jackboot. Great work, Adolph. You're truly the saviour of the German people.

Yep, as a hardcore patriot, someone like Hitler is exactly who I want running my country. It'll be a glorious, thousand year reich. No possible way that could go wrong or anything. No siree Bob.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 30, 2016, 03:03:32 am
Yep, every nationalists dream to have your country carved up between the Soviets, Americans and the British.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lady Evil on March 30, 2016, 04:53:32 pm
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Hitler stopped degeneracy in Berlin (Former sin capital of the world)
He burnt pro communist books
He bought the German economy up from the ground whilst the rest of the world was in a great depression.
He built the first highways and gave everyone a car.
He kicked the jews who were destroying German culture into their own state in the middle east
He gave pregnant women welfare and support
He put a focus on Child health
He started the first anti smoking campaign
He ordered his troops to march into the czech republic and execute those massacring Germans
And you think calling Trump Hitler will stop me supporting him?

Either he is lying or simply wrong about: Stopping degeneracy, Jews destroying the culture and the massacres of Germans that allegedly happened in Czech Republic. And the child health thing is debatable as their "racial hygiene" program only cared for the health of certain children. ...And the highways weren't a Nazi plan, they had opposed the idea of building roads up to the moment when Hitler became the councellor at which point they let the plans proceed and took credit for the idea.

But I do agree that the anti-smoking campaign was a good idea.

And now I have a mental image of Hitler pointing at people like Oprah and saying "You get a car! And you get a car! And you get a car! EVERYBODY GETS A CAR!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 30, 2016, 04:57:12 pm
I do admit I love what popular culture has done to Hitler. He's a gigantic joke.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: MaybeNever on March 30, 2016, 11:45:56 pm
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Hitler stopped degeneracy in Berlin (Former sin capital of the world)
He burnt pro communist books
He bought the German economy up from the ground whilst the rest of the world was in a great depression.
He built the first highways and gave everyone a car.
He kicked the jews who were destroying German culture into their own state in the middle east
He gave pregnant women welfare and support
He put a focus on Child health
He started the first anti smoking campaign
He ordered his troops to march into the czech republic and execute those massacring Germans
And you think calling Trump Hitler will stop me supporting him?

Either he is lying or simply wrong about: Stopping degeneracy, Jews destroying the culture and the massacres of Germans that allegedly happened in Czech Republic. And the child health thing is debatable as their "racial hygiene" program only cared for the health of certain children. ...And the highways weren't a Nazi plan, they had opposed the idea of building roads up to the moment when Hitler became the councellor at which point they let the plans proceed and took credit for the idea.

But I do agree that the anti-smoking campaign was a good idea.

He did awful things to the economy, too. Much of the early economic growth starting in 1934 was thanks to Hjalmar Schacht's careful Keynesian approach and innovative financing strategies, but the man was constantly embattled because he was opposed to the Nazi treatment of Jews and to German rearmament. He clashed with Goering, who held enormous economic power after 1936, eventually leading to Schacht's resignation in 1937. After he left, and Hitler and Goering moved the economy to be entirely subservient to rearmament, the country's severe and growing trade deficit made itself felt with resource and budgetary shortfalls. The country was literally facing economic collapse without extraordinary change. Ironically, the early years of the war may have been easier on the German economy than continued peace would have been. Of course, the end result was far worse.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on March 31, 2016, 01:54:30 am
I disagree, mellen. In my opinion, it's perfectly justified to not want to interact with someone over an opinion of theirs if it's particularly harsh. There are some opinions that I can't just 'agree to disagree' with and continue being comfortably friendly despite. In some cases, people's opinions do reflect on them as people and particularly shitty ones alienate others from me on an interpersonal level, and that's fine. It's also not "denying their humanity" in any way. As an example:

Quote from: Person A
I personally believe church tax in Finland should continue to be a policy, as it funds the charity work that the national church performs.

Well, person A who is a hypothetical strawman, while I personally disagree with that political opinion, I can still respect you as a person.

Quote from: Person B
I personally believe all gay people are mentally ill and conversion therapy is A-OK.

...no, person B who despite being a strawman espouses attitudes I have seen real people espouse, I can't respect your opinion or you as a person since you're dehumanizing an already-marginalized subset of humanity (that includes myself and those I care about). And I'm no worse a person for not wanting you in my life or forcing myself to look past this.

"Can't be friends with someone with different political beliefs" is distinct from "can't be friends with someone with specific political beliefs".

You can be a generally tolerant person but refuse to be friends with someone who believes you should be killed over your ethnicity/orientation/gender identity/whatever, that's perfectly reasonable. The objection (mine, and I think Mellen's) is to people who refuse to interact with anyone who is not part of the same political movement.
The context of the original quote was about not wanting to be friends with a BNP memember, not invalidating any points you've made of course.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on March 31, 2016, 10:12:34 am
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Am I the only one who doesn't care what happens to run aways? Just hear me out. If your being abused or anything like that I support you, you should run away to a safer place. But most teens that run away I see are run aways because "their parents have too much rules" or "they treat me like a child" things like that. So they think the best option in to run away? Are they serious? Sorry but if you run away because your parents want the best for you then you deserve everything that happens to you.

This was in response to a clip from What Would You Do?  The scenario set up, a runaway teen girl being lured away by a predator...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on March 31, 2016, 10:39:02 am
"Am I the only one who doesn't care what happens to the puppy who dug under the fence and ran around and eventually got hit by a car? Sure, there are puppies who are abused or starved, and I say let 'em run away to a safer place. But a lot of these puppies run away because their owners are just trying to house break them or teach them to heel. I say, Fuck Those Puppies! Sorry, but if you run away because you don't like leashes and wee-wee pads, then you deserve everything that happens to you."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lady Evil on March 31, 2016, 06:45:25 pm
Am I the only one who doesn't care what happens to people who can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're"? Sure, there are uneducated people who just don't know any better, and I say let them attend a 3rd grade grammar lesson in order to learn. But a lot of these people are just morons who can't be asked to use an apostrophe correctly. Sorry, but if you abuse the English language because you're a lazy motherfucker then you deserve everything that happens to you.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on March 31, 2016, 07:30:53 pm
Am I the only one who doesn't care what happens to people who can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're"? Sure, there are uneducated people who just don't know any better, and I say let them attend a 3rd grade grammar lesson in order to learn. But a lot of these people are just morons who can't be asked to use an apostrophe correctly. Sorry, but if you abuse the English language because you're a lazy motherfucker then you deserve everything that happens to you.

Your grasping at straws to attack someone with a perfectly fine grasp of English, in my opinion.

Ask yoreself: are you're standards too high?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on March 31, 2016, 08:23:26 pm
Oh, edgelord, you broke a fledgling snark chain.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 31, 2016, 09:27:26 pm
Am I the only one who doesn't care what happens to people who can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're"? Sure, there are uneducated people who just don't know any better, and I say let them attend a 3rd grade grammar lesson in order to learn. But a lot of these people are just morons who can't be asked to use an apostrophe correctly. Sorry, but if you abuse the English language because you're a lazy motherfucker then you deserve everything that happens to you.
I could actually get behind this.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on April 01, 2016, 02:28:12 am
Well aren't you just a perfect bitch.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 01, 2016, 08:47:20 am
Well aren't you just a perfect bitch.

It's shitposting!  What part of "National Offend a College Student Day" don't you understand?  Foke!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 01, 2016, 10:29:03 am
"Ultimate Warrior"
HURRRRR-RRRRR!
XD
 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 01, 2016, 12:06:37 pm
"Ultimate Warrior"
HURRRRR-RRRRR!
XD

Why is Ultimate Warrior already in my ignore list? It can't be because it's just a name change from Ultimate Paragon, can it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 01, 2016, 12:22:01 pm
It is.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 01, 2016, 01:28:20 pm
He really brightened my day with that. It's beautifully Poe-ish: is he totes srs, or taking the piss? Anyway, it's a funny, colorful avatar.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 02, 2016, 05:39:20 pm
But seriously, going into STEM is actually a good idea.  There's a 2:1 faculty preference for women:

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract (http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract)

Furthermore, there is no gender pay gap in tech salaries:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/study-finds-no-gender-gap-in-tech-salaries (http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/study-finds-no-gender-gap-in-tech-salaries)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 02, 2016, 07:00:30 pm
Yet another reason STEM is better.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on April 02, 2016, 07:51:20 pm
But seriously, going into STEM is actually a good idea.  There's a 2:1 faculty preference for women:

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract (http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract)

Furthermore, there is no gender pay gap in tech salaries:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/study-finds-no-gender-gap-in-tech-salaries (http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/study-finds-no-gender-gap-in-tech-salaries)

Are you still on about that no-wage-gap falsehood fed to you from the manosphere?

Stay classy, UP.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 02, 2016, 08:55:38 pm
But seriously, going into STEM is actually a good idea.  There's a 2:1 faculty preference for women:

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract (http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract)

Furthermore, there is no gender pay gap in tech salaries:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/study-finds-no-gender-gap-in-tech-salaries (http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/study-finds-no-gender-gap-in-tech-salaries)

Are you still on about that no-wage-gap falsehood fed to you from the manosphere?

Stay classy, UP.

It didn't come from the manosphere.  It came from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/earnings.htm (http://www.bls.gov/cps/earnings.htm)

http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/womensearnings_2012.pdf (http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/womensearnings_2012.pdf)

And just to clarify, I never said there was no wage gap, only that it was greatly exaggerated.  The BLS notes that there are a number of factors to consider, such as childcare, education, and the number of hours worked.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 02, 2016, 09:35:23 pm
Regarding a fanfic about Wesley Crusher and Taurik (a male Vulcan) becoming involved (note: the story itself only depicts the two kissing) during the latter's pon farr:

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The writer of that story is a perverted sicko and that story has no place in Trek.

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Could not happen because there are no gays in Star Trek because they have cured all mental illness by the 24th century.

The first quote was seen on a Trek forum in response to the person who posted the link to tease someone about mixing up Taurik with another Vulcan; the second is on the story itself, posted ten minutes before the first, and after the link was posted on the aforementioned forum.

I'm not going to link to the story because the website that hosts it also hosts mature content.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 02, 2016, 10:08:00 pm
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Could not happen because there are no gays in Star Trek because they have cured all mental illness by the 24th century.

Bruh. Gene Roddenberry wanted to include same-sex couples on that Risa episode on TNG but the studio was the one to shoot that down. Do you even Trek, casual?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 02, 2016, 10:24:54 pm
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Could not happen because there are no gays in Star Trek because they have cured all mental illness by the 24th century.

Bruh. Gene Roddenberry wanted to include same-sex couples on that Risa episode on TNG but the studio was the one to shoot that down. Do you even Trek, casual?

Clearly, that's because the studio knew that there are no gays in the 24th century.

But from what that person's posted, I think that fifty years ago he would have objected to this scene (http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x10hd/platosstepchildrenhd1280.jpg).

(There were actually two takes done of that scene, the one that was aired and another tamer one; Shatner hammed up the latter so hilariously that only the aired scene was usable.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Random Gal on April 02, 2016, 10:59:19 pm
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Could not happen because there are no gays in Star Trek because they have cured all mental illness by the 24th century.

Bruh. Gene Roddenberry wanted to include same-sex couples on that Risa episode on TNG but the studio was the one to shoot that down. Do you even Trek, casual?

He actually said in a 1991 interview (mentioned here (http://www.wired.com/2013/05/star-trek-lgbt-gay-characters/)) that he was going to add an LGBT character to the cast of TNG in the upcoming fifth season. Unfortunately, he died early in that season and his successors, who had always disagreed with the idea, didn't go through with it.

I actually thought about this and very strongly suspect that Ro Laren was meant to be this character, but Roddenberry just hadn't outed her by the time he died (in between "The Game" and "Unification, Part 1," I believe). She was introduced very early in Season 5, right around the time Roddenberry would have added this new character to the cast, and after his death there was a long string of episodes where she was just absent. The writers only brought her back starting with "Conundrum," where she was quickly given an amnesia-induced sexual affair with Commander Riker.

I will also note that Michelle Forbes refused to work with Roddenberry's successors on future Star Trek projects, passing up offers to reprise her role on DS9 and Voyager (the roles were changed to Kira Nerys and B'Elanna Torres instead), and when she finally did agree to work for one of them (Ronald D. Moore, who cast her as Admiral Cain on the 2000s Battlestar Galactica), her character was a lesbian.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 02, 2016, 11:25:04 pm
I can't recall the source, but from what I've read, Ro was specifically introduced in order that she would be moved over to DS9 as the first officer of the station. It's at least part of why "Disaster" was written: the producers wanted to see how Forbes and Colm Meaney (who was moving over to DS9) worked together. Instead, Forbes refused and Nana Visitor was given the first officer part on DS9.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 03, 2016, 12:40:17 pm
In this edition of "Shit Tankies Say:"

Quote
Imprisoning homosexuals in gulags was a mistake, but not the gulag system itself. Mechanisms of repression are going to exist in any State, as distasteful as this admission is to us. Personally I prefer reeducation centers. Frankly, this obsession of human rights doesn't prevail in the real world unless it's directed toward Marxist or socialist states.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on April 03, 2016, 03:34:29 pm
In this edition of "Shit Tankies Say:"

Quote
Imprisoning homosexuals in gulags was a mistake, but not the gulag system itself. Mechanisms of repression are going to exist in any State, as distasteful as this admission is to us. Personally I prefer reeducation centers. Frankly, this obsession of human rights doesn't prevail in the real world unless it's directed toward Marxist or socialist states.

And? Are you going to offer an opinion on that statement, UP?

Or are you understandably reluctant to throw stones in your glass house?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 04, 2016, 12:11:56 am
"Ultimate Warrior"
HURRRRR-RRRRR!
XD

Why is Ultimate Warrior already in my ignore list? It can't be because it's just a name change from Ultimate Paragon, can it?

Did UP actually change his name to Ultimate Warrior? Did he change his Avatar to a wrestler? Is that why his motto is the viagra ad and not 'hot blooded christlike christian'?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 04, 2016, 12:14:05 am
"Ultimate Warrior"
HURRRRR-RRRRR!
XD

Why is Ultimate Warrior already in my ignore list? It can't be because it's just a name change from Ultimate Paragon, can it?

Did UP actually change his name to Ultimate Warrior? Did he change his Avatar to a wrestler? Is that why his motto is the viagra ad and not 'hot blooded christlike christian'?

Don't you know? The Hot-Blooded Christ is tougher than diamonds and stronger than steel.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 04, 2016, 12:18:05 am
Was it an April Fool's, it's amazing that he managed to change his motto to one even more homoerotic for Jesus.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2016, 12:39:43 am
Was it an April Fool's, it's amazing that he managed to change his motto to one even more homoerotic for Jesus.

Nah, I changed my motto to "Destrucity."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2016, 05:05:57 pm
By the way, here's some anti-vaxxer bullshit:

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/0a8b19ff1d62c22a554fe9e305a84a7d/tumblr_n47p9kjyW31sxgmf4o1_1280.png)

"Why don't you wear a helmet?"

"MY HEAD ALREADY HAS PROTECTION AGAINST BLUNT TRAUMA, IT'S CALLED A CRANIUM!"

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d8f990ae1a4352fa28e572d1b3a54e0a/tumblr_n47p9kjyW31sxgmf4o2_500.png)

Autism isn't becoming more common, we're just getting better at identifying it.  And I'd like a source on those statistics.

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/00af2d40e0e14bf156cdfde14aa444d6/tumblr_n47p9kjyW31sxgmf4o3_1280.png)

You'd think this would be the mother of all scandals.  And yet, the media didn't say a peep.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 04, 2016, 05:18:32 pm
"One of the largest, most evil lies in history"

Deez mutherfuckers right here are the fucking worst. Turning their babies into WMD's.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lady Evil on April 08, 2016, 12:39:23 pm
Check out Lord Elthibar's latest attempt at poetry.

http://lordelthibar.deviantart.com/art/I-m-a-Good-Ol-Christian-Reformist-600819436
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 08, 2016, 12:45:24 pm
Go, Home Skool! That'll show 'em. XD
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on April 08, 2016, 11:34:28 pm
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long story short, wage gap isn't because of women getting paid less for the same job but because they chose to go into low paying areas with more flexibility and benefits

"they chose to go into low paying areas" that could never be due to sexism tho

you also have to consider why those areas are low paying in the first place, and whether it's a case of the jobs being low paying because women traditionally take those jobs

i remember reading an article a while ago (can't remember where, apologies) that pointed out that doctors are far less respected in... i believe it was russia, because generally women are doctors and so it was seen as a less prestigious career, and more of an extension of a stereotypically "caring" role

Wether it is or not, just means gasp, I don't know

That's what you should focus on fixing. Get those women in the coal mines away fron their families. Those roofs aren't going to tar and shingle themselves. Get all that hazard pay for all I care. Just stop lieing about the gap.

So, the wage gap is a myth because women choose to work in women dominated jobs, which pay less because women dominated jobs aren't held in the same regard as men, so it's women's fault for not abandoning these jobs and finding men dominated jobs, because equality isn't about raising a group's worth so much as getting them to conform to another group after having them see that their original group is just inherently worth less.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2016, 11:47:17 pm
Quote
Quote
Quote
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long story short, wage gap isn't because of women getting paid less for the same job but because they chose to go into low paying areas with more flexibility and benefits

"they chose to go into low paying areas" that could never be due to sexism tho

you also have to consider why those areas are low paying in the first place, and whether it's a case of the jobs being low paying because women traditionally take those jobs

i remember reading an article a while ago (can't remember where, apologies) that pointed out that doctors are far less respected in... i believe it was russia, because generally women are doctors and so it was seen as a less prestigious career, and more of an extension of a stereotypically "caring" role

Wether it is or not, just means gasp, I don't know

That's what you should focus on fixing. Get those women in the coal mines away fron their families. Those roofs aren't going to tar and shingle themselves. Get all that hazard pay for all I care. Just stop lieing about the gap.

So, the wage gap is a myth because women choose to work in women dominated jobs, which pay less because women dominated jobs aren't held in the same regard as men, so it's women's fault for not abandoning these jobs and finding men dominated jobs, because equality isn't about raising a group's worth so much as getting them to conform to another group after having them see that their original group is just inherently worth less.

I wouldn't say the wage gap is a myth, so much as it's misunderstood.  Women don't get paid less for the same work, at least not by as much as is commonly claimed.  Like you said, the reality is more subtle than that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 09, 2016, 12:10:33 am
OFFS that is not what she meant, and it was not about the issue being "more subtle", either, UP. Denser than depleted uranium.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 12:11:53 am
OFFS that is not what she meant, and it was not about the issue being "more subtle", either, UP. Denser than depleted uranium.

I was just chipping in my two cents.  I know exactly what she meant.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on April 09, 2016, 12:17:08 am
Just so we're clear, everyone knows I was just paraphrasing the guy's shitty logic, right?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 12:17:47 am
Just so we're clear, everyone knows I was just paraphrasing the guy's shitty logic, right?

Yup.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 09, 2016, 12:29:11 am
LOL. Reeeeeeeeeeeeealy, UP?

"I wouldn't say the wage gap is a myth, so much as it's misunderstood.  Women don't get paid less for the same work.  Like you said, the reality is more subtle than that."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 01:02:15 am
LOL. Reeeeeeeeeeeeealy, UP?

"I wouldn't say the wage gap is a myth, so much as it's misunderstood.  Women don't get paid less for the same work.  Like you said, the reality is more subtle than that."

Huh.  And here I thought I was just buzzed.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 09, 2016, 01:16:01 am
Women often get paid less for the same work though.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 01:19:11 am
Women often get paid less for the same work though.

Citation?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 09, 2016, 01:24:00 am
I was going to tell you to suck my hairy balls. I'm not fucking debating with you, you disingenuous hack and I'm completely fed up with your intellectual dishonesty but then I realised that you would claim that as a victory.

So here's one citation. It's about Australia. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784)

You can still suck my balls though and you should probably apologise to Melen now
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 01:32:49 am
I was going to tell you to suck my hairy balls. I'm not fucking debating with you, you disingenuous hack and I'm completely fed up with your intellectual dishonesty but then I realised that you would claim that as a victory.

So here's one citation. It's about Australia. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784)

You can still suck my balls though and you should probably apologise to Melen now

I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on April 09, 2016, 01:52:50 am
Here we have UP engaging in more self-demonstrating Things People Say on the Internet.

Toxic misogyny always finds a way, it seems.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 09, 2016, 01:58:10 am
I was going to tell you to suck my hairy balls. I'm not fucking debating with you, you disingenuous hack and I'm completely fed up with your intellectual dishonesty but then I realised that you would claim that as a victory.

So here's one citation. It's about Australia. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784)

You can still suck my balls though and you should probably apologise to Melen now

I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
The Workplace Gender Equality Agency bases its data (https://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/files/Gender_Pay_Gap_Factsheet.pdf) on the Australian Bureau of Statistics Employee Earnings and Hours survey. Does that answer your question?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2016, 01:58:46 am
I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Here's a novel idea. Try reading it and finding out for yourself.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 02:01:52 am
I was going to tell you to suck my hairy balls. I'm not fucking debating with you, you disingenuous hack and I'm completely fed up with your intellectual dishonesty but then I realised that you would claim that as a victory.

So here's one citation. It's about Australia. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-03/gender-pay-gap-among-managers-wa/7215784)

You can still suck my balls though and you should probably apologise to Melen now

I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
The Workplace Gender Equality Agency bases its data (https://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/files/Gender_Pay_Gap_Factsheet.pdf) on the Australian Bureau of Statistics Employee Earnings and Hours survey. Does that answer your question?

Note to self: be less Amerocentric.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on April 09, 2016, 02:03:23 am
No note to try not reciting manosphere talking points?

Well, that would be inconvenient for you - then what would you post?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 09, 2016, 02:05:13 am
Now, now Art, we all know that Ultimate paragon's illiterate.

He is illiterate right?  That's why he never reads sources or responds properly, he only understands one word in five.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 09, 2016, 02:08:34 am
I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Here's a novel idea. Try reading it and finding out for yourself.

After all it's in the third paragraph: "Data collected by the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (WGEA) and analysed by the Bankwest Curtin Economic Centre (BCEC) found women in key management roles working full-time earned an annual average of $244,569 while men earned $343,269."

Surely one of the 1000 monkeys that types your posts can read at least a little?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on April 09, 2016, 02:14:16 am
Davedan, his posts are typed out by other GamerGaters.

And as we know very well, they're even less capable at posting than a barrel of monkeys.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 02:21:27 am
I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Here's a novel idea. Try reading it and finding out for yourself.

After all it's in the third paragraph: "Data collected by the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (WGEA) and analysed by the Bankwest Curtin Economic Centre (BCEC) found women in key management roles working full-time earned an annual average of $244,569 while men earned $343,269."

Surely one of the 1000 monkeys that types your posts can read at least a little?

"Working full-time" still leaves some ambiguity.  I read that in Australia, 38 hours a week is considered full-time work.  As a result, there's a good deal of room for some to spend more hours working than others.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on April 09, 2016, 02:27:12 am
I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Here's a novel idea. Try reading it and finding out for yourself.

After all it's in the third paragraph: "Data collected by the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (WGEA) and analysed by the Bankwest Curtin Economic Centre (BCEC) found women in key management roles working full-time earned an annual average of $244,569 while men earned $343,269."

Surely one of the 1000 monkeys that types your posts can read at least a little?

"Working full-time" still leaves some ambiguity.  I read that in Australia, 38 hours a week is considered full-time work.  As a result, there's a good deal of room for some to spend more hours working than others.

UP, with your track record of bright ideas, I think you're better off pretending Australia doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 09, 2016, 02:32:40 am
I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Here's a novel idea. Try reading it and finding out for yourself.

After all it's in the third paragraph: "Data collected by the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (WGEA) and analysed by the Bankwest Curtin Economic Centre (BCEC) found women in key management roles working full-time earned an annual average of $244,569 while men earned $343,269."

Surely one of the 1000 monkeys that types your posts can read at least a little?

"Working full-time" still leaves some ambiguity.  I read that in Australia, 38 hours a week is considered full-time work.  As a result, there's a good deal of room for some to spend more hours working than others.
I've never heard of a manager working for an hourly wage. They're on salary mate.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 09, 2016, 02:58:47 am
I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Here's a novel idea. Try reading it and finding out for yourself.

After all it's in the third paragraph: "Data collected by the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (WGEA) and analysed by the Bankwest Curtin Economic Centre (BCEC) found women in key management roles working full-time earned an annual average of $244,569 while men earned $343,269."

Surely one of the 1000 monkeys that types your posts can read at least a little?

"Working full-time" still leaves some ambiguity.  I read that in Australia, 38 hours a week is considered full-time work.  As a result, there's a good deal of room for some to spend more hours working than others.

Source?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 09, 2016, 03:06:21 am
I have a quick question: does it take into account hours worked?
Here's a novel idea. Try reading it and finding out for yourself.

After all it's in the third paragraph: "Data collected by the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (WGEA) and analysed by the Bankwest Curtin Economic Centre (BCEC) found women in key management roles working full-time earned an annual average of $244,569 while men earned $343,269."

Surely one of the 1000 monkeys that types your posts can read at least a little?

"Working full-time" still leaves some ambiguity.  I read that in Australia, 38 hours a week is considered full-time work.  As a result, there's a good deal of room for some to spend more hours working than others.

Source?

Don't you know Tol he's an expert on other countries and how they work. For instance he is an expert on the laws of Canada. Which are all wrong even though he isn't sure what is wrong in detail. But seeing as it isn't just like the USA it must be wrong.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 09, 2016, 04:16:49 am
I read in Cracked that Australia is a "Monster Island" where "everything wants to kill you (http://www.cracked.com/funny-163-australia/)" but in my suburb we've only got two possums and while they reputedly have a nasty scratch you'd be more sorry if they weed on you.

It won't kill you but you'll wish it did.

Also my employer don't count administration time as part of my working hours so my 38 hour week...aint.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 09, 2016, 10:02:05 am
*munches popcorn*

So UP doesn't understand the concept of working full time eh?  Cause that's what I'm getting.

Ironbite-which just amuses me so fucking much.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on April 09, 2016, 10:09:47 am
I think you're better off pretending Australia doesn't exist.

That also works as a general statement of reality.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 09, 2016, 10:21:23 am
Nope. Make him see Australia. It is quite a lot similar in basic ways to America. The people are easy for even a dense Texan to understand and relate to.

The women work less/"missing hours" issue is resolved by this, UP; Maternity Leave IS PAID LEAVE in Oz, like it is in every civilized nation on Earth 'cept 'Murrica. Getting the next generation off to a healthy and well-adjusted start from birth is an actual  Family Value worth paying for. Employers there do not begrudge it.

The senior manager salary difference shown is huge, comparing apples to apples, but the apples with stems on them get a third to half again more than apples without that appendage. This was found to be after conducting an absolutely massive study of nearly half of a modern, English-speaking capitalist democratic nation's workforce over a 10 year period. How the fuck do you argue against it? There's no meaningful cultural difference for this specific point, there is no language barrier to understanding the report or data.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 11:38:00 am
Yeah, the lack of paid maternity leave is a serious problem.  But I'm still skeptical that the wage gap actually is what it's often claimed to be.  The BLS has shown that measuring by hourly earnings (http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2013.pdf) makes the pay gap considerably smaller.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 09, 2016, 12:21:59 pm
The reason you're skeptical is because you're an idiot.

Ironbite-but that's ok, we'll keep reminding you of that fact.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 09, 2016, 12:57:29 pm
I think you're better off pretending Australia doesn't exist.

That also works as a general statement of reality.

I would ask you to suck my dick, but I'm afraid you'd try to bite it off.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 09, 2016, 01:31:56 pm
Yeah, the lack of paid maternity leave is a serious problem.  But I'm still skeptical that the wage gap actually is what it's often claimed to be.  The BLS has shown that measuring by hourly earnings (http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2013.pdf) makes the pay gap considerably smaller.

Have you read through that report? It is broad sided and less apples-to-apples specific like the cited Oz report. But the BLS report still makes the case over and over again, using various criteria and job categories and race and age as well as sex that women consistently earn less for the same work than men. That is not reporting that the problem is "more nuanced" than "we" think it is, that is not reporting that the problem is subtle, that is not an exaggerated finding -over and over again using myriad criteria - and that is not a politicized report. But the BLS is ham fisting your own stupidity back down your own throat.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 09, 2016, 01:36:32 pm
Considerably smaller doesn't mean nonexistent, whichever part of the UP gestalt entity you happen to be.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on April 09, 2016, 01:47:22 pm
Considerably smaller doesn't mean nonexistent, whichever part of the UP gestalt entity you happen to be.

But if it's less than a 35% difference it's not significant enough to worry about... or does that number only apply to bigoted game reviews?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 01:56:52 pm
Considerably smaller doesn't mean nonexistent, whichever part of the UP gestalt entity you happen to be.

I never said it did.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 09, 2016, 02:59:09 pm
I pop in to see what's going on in here... UP stop being an idiot. If you want to know how other countries do stuff ask the people who live there or study. You have too many misconceptions about these things because you don't try to see things from another pov. Which shows up as several other problems.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 09, 2016, 03:06:12 pm
I pop in to see what's going on in here... UP stop being an idiot. If you want to know how other countries do stuff ask the people who live there or study. You have too many misconceptions about these things because you don't try to see things from another pov. Which shows up as several other problems.

I would say his primary problem is his inability to accept when he's lost and concede an argument. I see it time and time again lately - he'll get soundly thrashed, concede a point, but then say "but THIS", and sometimes eventually return to his original point that he already lost a week ago. I don't think it's intentional, I think he truly desires not to lose, and he'll do anything not to lose - change topics, search for sources (while barely skimming them and hoping they prove his point), and of course, the infamous "truce".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 03:11:37 pm
I pop in to see what's going on in here... UP stop being an idiot. If you want to know how other countries do stuff ask the people who live there or study. You have too many misconceptions about these things because you don't try to see things from another pov. Which shows up as several other problems.

I wasn't asking about other countries.  Dave was the one who brought up Australia.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 09, 2016, 05:07:46 pm
And you were the one who accidentally discharged that BLS shotgun of a report into your own mouth.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 09, 2016, 06:38:37 pm
I think you're better off pretending Australia doesn't exist.

That also works as a general statement of reality.

I would ask you to suck my dick, but I'm afraid you'd try to bite it off.
Oh be kind to Mr Top Hat, the chaps at his London club are still reeling after losing that Empire thingy of theirs. Being reminded that one of their colonies rode out the banking crisis while their economy was being kicked in the bollocks is hard on them.

It's like Suez all over again!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 07:44:15 pm
And you were the one who accidentally discharged that BLS shotgun of a report into your own mouth.

Really now.

Quote
Sixty-two percent of women and 56 percent of men employed in wage and salary jobs were paid by the hour in 2013. Women who were paid hourly rates had median hourly earnings of $12.12, which was 87 percent of the median for men paid by the hour ($14.00). (See tables 8 and 11.)

You see that?  87% of the median.  That's a full ten percentage points higher than the "77 cents on the dollar" claim.  That's still a problem, but considerably less of one than what's frequently claimed.

Moreover, it seems like the problem has already gotten a lot better:

Quote
Between 1979 and 2013, women’s-to-men’s earnings ratios rose for most age groups. Among 25- to 34-year-olds, for example, the ratio increased from 68 percent in 1979 to 89 percent in 2013, while the ratio for 45- to 54-year-olds increased from 57 percent to 77 percent.

Hell, it's actually outpaced the growth for men:

Quote
Between 1979 and 2013, inflation-adjusted earnings (also called constant-dollar earnings) rose by 31 percent for White women, compared with an increase of 20 percent for Black women and 15 percent for Hispanic women. In contrast, inflation adjusted earnings for White and Black men declined slightly (1 percent and 2 percent, respectively) from 1979 to 2013, and Hispanic men’s earnings fell by 9 percent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 09, 2016, 07:51:29 pm
Yeah, the lack of paid maternity leave is a serious problem.  But I'm still skeptical that the wage gap actually is what it's often claimed to be.  The BLS has shown that measuring by hourly earnings (http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2013.pdf) makes the pay gap considerably smaller.
That's still a problem, but considerably less of one than what's frequently claimed.

What it's often claimed to be...by who exactly?

Set up a straw opponent and then say that the pay gap is "considerably smaller" than what whoever, or whatever "often claimed" it was.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 09, 2016, 07:58:07 pm
I'm so proud that I as an old white woman am one of the reigning supreme elites all of a fucking sudden.

Seriously, that is not how stats work in an argument. 2013 was three years ago. The conservitard/manosphere "gotcha!" about 77% being out of date came out the same year. About people in previous years citing the prior BLS publication on the same page which stated 77% when it was published.

Pump another cartridge in, dipshit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2016, 08:03:30 pm
Yeah, the lack of paid maternity leave is a serious problem.  But I'm still skeptical that the wage gap actually is what it's often claimed to be.  The BLS has shown that measuring by hourly earnings (http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2013.pdf) makes the pay gap considerably smaller.
That's still a problem, but considerably less of one than what's frequently claimed.

What it's often claimed to be...by who exactly?

Set up a straw opponent and then say that the pay gap is "considerably smaller" than what whoever, or whatever "often claimed" it was.

You're Australian, so it's understandable that you don't know.  See, a common claim is that women make only 77% of what men make, which is one even the President has repeated:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/)

Seriously, that is not how stats work in an argument. 2013 was three years ago. The conservitard/manosphere "gotcha!" about 77% being out of date came out the same year. About people in previous years citing the prior BLS publication on the same page which stated 77% when it was published.

I'm not entirely clear on what you mean.  Are you saying the manosphere was attempting to retroactively criticize based on information not available at the time?  Just want to make it clear.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 09, 2016, 10:11:30 pm
Yeah, the lack of paid maternity leave is a serious problem.  But I'm still skeptical that the wage gap actually is what it's often claimed to be.  The BLS has shown that measuring by hourly earnings (http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2013.pdf) makes the pay gap considerably smaller.
That's still a problem, but considerably less of one than what's frequently claimed.

What it's often claimed to be...by who exactly?

Set up a straw opponent and then say that the pay gap is "considerably smaller" than what whoever, or whatever "often claimed" it was.

You're Australian, so it's understandable that you don't know.  See, a common claim is that women make only 77% of what men make, which is one even the President has repeated:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/)
Now that's an interesting notion, numbers have passports now? And there was me thinking that the only number Americans had bagsied was one, also identifying the obscure source of figure as being your flipping commander in chief might have been helpful at the start of the discussion, but I digress.

See, if you had gone to the Washington Post's source you would have read that the president made two similarly worded but quite different claims at two different times and you would have read this (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jul/15/politifact-sheet-gender-pay-gap/):

Quote
In his 2012 re-election run, an ad for President Barack Obama claimed "Women (are) paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men." That rated Mostly False.

But Obama retooled his words in his 2014 State of the Union address, saying women "still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns." That rated Mostly True.

See here's the thing, the latter claim that women on average make less than men across the board is true. And that's still a problem, because it's been shown that simply being in an industry with increasing female representation causes the pay to dip (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/21/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html). Which kind of sucks for teachers, nurses, waiters and the like whether they're women or men but sucks for women more because more of them are seeing their wages stagnate.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 10, 2016, 07:18:18 pm
Quote from: LordElthibar again
I can't believe it. There has been attack after attack on our peaceful communities and yet America does nothing about ISIS! NOTHING!!! Obama is weak and has no spine to do anything. And when ISIS attacks America, the liberal scum only hijack the incident for their freaking gun control policies! More harassment and stupidity from these ill educated maggots is growing on my nerves!

They falsely claim that Christianity hindered human development when in fact the Christian world was actually more developed than the pagan world that was seeking to destroy them. Not only that but the atheists lack the honor and courage to admit that Hitler was one of them and yet refuse to take responsibility and blame Hitler on Christianity! Hitler's private talks were about eliminating Hitler's foes including Christianity. Plus there is a reason he shut down religious institutions all over Germany and claimed that the Jews were near apes. Does that sound like Christianity? No, it's the theory of evolution which has given birth to the ideals of racial dominance and massacre of tens of thousands and even threatens to tear our communities apart today as our educational system declines as God is kicked out!

Christianity brought about the scientific revolution, the renaissance eras, as well as the abolition of slavery! What good has any of these secular ideals done? If we don't stand for something true and take a stand of brute force against ISIS, they will overrun us! These movements against us and the foundation of our civilizations are a catastrophe! We must act now!

The West used to be the center of the world, now these policies and scrambling for power from both Christaphobic secularists and self-righteous religious bigots have turned our countries into yet another political bower grabbing hell hole like Rome! When are we going to wake up?

- the USA performs drone strikes in the Middle East constantly

- the conservatives hijack terrorist attacks for their Islamophobic policies

- the Arabs gave us fucking numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals), cockend

- modern atheists aren't responsible for Hitler the same way modern Christians aren't for the Inquisition

- either your God is omnipotent, therefore he can't be kicked out of anything, or your god is weaksauce and can't actually do anything worth worship

- yeah, because no religion has had racism as a doctrine, what an insipid notion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_Mormonism)

- Christianity also brought us the Inquisition, institutional homophobia and the protection of child molesters, you ain't shit

- the West was never the center of the world you conceited fuckbag
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 10, 2016, 09:27:00 pm
Yeah, the centre of the world was usually either Asia or somewhere near the Fertile Crescent, until relatively recently.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 10, 2016, 09:33:52 pm
Christians fought both sides of the war over slavery.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 11, 2016, 12:05:41 am
(http://i.imgur.com/D0Qu0VS.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: lord gibbon on April 11, 2016, 12:12:19 am
except... all of those are correct.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 11, 2016, 12:19:37 am
except... all of those are correct.

I had to go and check if I had mixed up the terms again, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction nope. My point was that the comments are making fun of a transperson. ...Also, sperm does not define "your child" unless you would never consider an adopted child or a step-child to be your own child.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 12:25:13 am
except... all of those are correct.

I had to go and check if I had mixed up the terms again, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction nope. My point was that the comments are making fun of a transperson. ...Also, sperm does not define "your child" unless you would never consider an adopted child or a step-child to be your own child.

Knowing that dipshit, they probably don't.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: lord gibbon on April 11, 2016, 12:29:47 am
Yeah, I meant that all the "stupid" examples are perfectly legitimate to say. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on April 11, 2016, 01:55:48 pm
- Christianity also brought us the Inquisition, institutional homophobia and the protection of child molesters

Sounds horrible.  I'm just so glad there's a delightful progressive social movement like Islam we can turn to in order to save us from such monstrous acts...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 11, 2016, 02:19:22 pm
Or you just don't have to be religious in order to lead a fulfilling life.

Ironbite-just a thought.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on April 11, 2016, 02:27:44 pm
Yeah but when someone says "I'm not religious" what they actually mean is "I FUCKING HATE MUSLIMS BURN THEM ALL 14/88!!!one!".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 11, 2016, 05:48:47 pm
Yeah but when someone says "I'm not religious" what they actually mean is "I FUCKING HATE MUSLIMS BURN THEM ALL 14/88!!!one!".
I think this is Conty getting his categories muddled up again.

Feminists, Nazis, atheists, Australians, progressives and Muslims are different things  Contrarian.

They aren't all some hideous indistinguishable blob come to force you to let darkies and ladies into your club and make you pay your telly licence.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 11, 2016, 06:02:27 pm
Could a blob come and eat his face?

Ironbite-and UP's many faces?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on April 12, 2016, 04:34:11 pm
Yeah but when someone says "I'm not religious" what they actually mean is "I FUCKING HATE MUSLIMS BURN THEM ALL 14/88!!!one!".
I think this is Conty getting his categories muddled up again.

Feminists, Nazis, atheists, Australians, progressives and Muslims are different things  Contrarian.

They aren't all some hideous indistinguishable blob come to force you to let darkies and ladies into your club and make you pay your telly licence.

Don't make me break out the Venn Diagrams.

Besides, I refuse to pay for a TV license.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 12, 2016, 05:08:52 pm
Yeah but when someone says "I'm not religious" what they actually mean is "I FUCKING HATE MUSLIMS BURN THEM ALL 14/88!!!one!".
I think this is Conty getting his categories muddled up again.

Feminists, Nazis, atheists, Australians, progressives and Muslims are different things  Contrarian.

They aren't all some hideous indistinguishable blob come to force you to let darkies and ladies into your club and make you pay your telly licence.

Don't make me break out the Venn Diagrams.

Besides, I refuse to pay for a TV license.

Just because your mum pays for the TV license, after all it's her house.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 16, 2016, 12:06:57 am
On North Carolina's House Bill 2 (http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/PDF/H2v1.pdf) and Executive Order No. 93 (https://ncgovernor.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/documents/files/McCrory%20EO%2093_0.pdf):

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As a resident of North Carolina, if you want to just jump on the media bandwagon and not bring business here, then thats your right to do so. The state passed the law in response to a ridiculous ordinance that the city of Charlotte passed first that basically stated all bathrooms, locker rooms, etc are unisex and nobody can stop a man or woman from going into any of them. Do you see how this might be a problem? It opens up avenues for predators and sex offenders to use and abuse (mainly men abusing mainly women and children, none of which are LGBT). The state law had nothing to do with the LGBT community. It just affected them. Feel free to call it punished for the sins of another or whatever you want, but if you really can't accept it please just stay out of NC. Maybe the average IQ will rise.

EDIT:

Further posts from this person on this topic:

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All the state law did was repeal the ordinance and put things back to the way they've always been. It added no additional risk that wasn't already there. Do you have a wife or a daughter? Would you be ok with a man standing in their locker room watching them get undressed while nobody could do anything about it? That's basically the ordinance that Charlotte passed. Maybe your answer is, "well they just wouldn't go there". Well, then that business is hurt.

Bottom line is everyone deserves the right to go to the restroom, locker room, etc. without fear of being harassed or assaulted. However, there is a way to go about it, and the Charlotte ordinance was not the way to do it.

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I specifically stated that the LGBT community was not the aim of the bill. I am fully aware the majority of molesters/rapist/abusers fit into the category of straight white middle-aged men.

Again, it is a shame that there are human beings still being assaulted and harassed, and I hope one day we can find a way to protect everyone regardless of classifications.

However, the ordinance that the city of Charlotte enacted is not the answer, and it needed to be repealed.

This is the last I will comment on this issue. I have my opinion and all the people here are entitled to theirs. I do live in the area though, and as a resident I am for the NC state law. If that peace of mind costs me a couple magic events locally every year I think I can live with that. Once all the media attention blows over and turns to something else nobody will care.

And someone else:

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No one is saying the trans community wants the law so they can go oogle children. But, because of the way the laws are written, perverts can cite the law as an excuse to go where they should not be allowed. This is happening already in California and other places where these laws exist. Go google it and start reading some of the news stories, it will turn your stomach.

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Seriously. We need to defend the rights of the people least able to defend themselves, children.

While this law sucks for trans people, it's nessecary for the protection of children until a better solution can be found. Maybe you're not aware of the weirdos already citing this law (in California and other places) to use womens changing rooms and restrooms when it's clear the law wasn't implemented for them, and they're just abusing it, but its becoming a real problem, I urge you to google it and start reading, then ask yourself if you're ok letting your small children be around these people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 16, 2016, 12:06:47 pm
Gee, I couldn't find anything about that except second hand cited squalling with no links to articles other than more anecdotal squalling with no links to actual police reports or complaints.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on April 16, 2016, 12:09:57 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/99119eedee1e397f1bdefff28851d8af/tumblr_o5ojs6CXZr1tfexn9o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 16, 2016, 12:25:45 pm
"lion-against-sjw"

(http://i.imgur.com/yQnZZU7.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 16, 2016, 12:32:55 pm
You know, if the law had been based on legal gender instead of birth sex there'd be fewer complaints. The fact that they went to the trouble to define it that way means they were aiming it at trans people, and anyone who says otherwise either hasn't done their homework or is dishonest.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 16, 2016, 01:14:26 pm
The infuriating but potentially darkly hilarious irony is that transitioning, fully transitioned, and transitioned-plus SRS post-op transpeople will be legally obligated to enter the bathroom opposite to their physically apparent and/or surgically reassigned anatomical sex.

Fundie heads 'splode all over the place in 3.....2.....1.....
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on April 16, 2016, 01:35:23 pm
The infuriating but potentially darkly hilarious irony is that transitioning, fully transitioned, and transitioned-plus SRS post-op transpeople will be legally obligated to enter the bathroom opposite to their physically apparent and/or surgically reassigned anatomical sex.

Fundie heads 'splode all over the place in 3.....2.....1.....

Or, y'know, they won't.

Bigots can handle a slight bit of ew-gross inconvenience if it means trans people are continuously harrassed and threatened with death for participating in society. These laws further facilitate that; your imagined scenario would only be used as an opportunity for more harrassment.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 16, 2016, 02:26:26 pm
I never said it would not be used for further harassment, but consider that fundies are also entirely too fearful, ignorant, and two-faced to not complain that the legislation failed to protect them, while allegedly protecting them, from eww gross moments. Keep in mind, this exact situation is going to come up IRL, and the transpeople who very exactingly and deliberately obey the letter of that law will do so, ironically enough, as a form of completely law abiding yet effective "civil disobedience", and produce even more sociopolitical momentum to rescind that law.

I think your opinion that bigots can or will tolerate it is naïve.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 16, 2016, 05:22:49 pm
Or they'll just blame the SRS, and move on to trying to ban that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 16, 2016, 07:22:45 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/6fupsm.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 16, 2016, 07:57:06 pm
From the files of Shit That Never Happened:

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I’m no looker; 5’10” and about a buck-fifty; bald (been rocking the skinhead since college) and in my early 40s.  I threw up a flag – put the TRUMP t-shirt on and walked around like I owned the fucking place.  Over two days I had 4 cute girls, none older than 21, come up to tell me they liked my shirt (for the record, I got one positive comment from another father, and one smart-ass remark from a 65+ cat lady hag working at the on-site Starbucks – I told the cunt to make my coffee great).  Yeah I gave the cute girls some friendly banter and invoked a little very mild dread game with my wife, but this is the point: there are still good (as good as they come anyway) White girls out there just waiting to be taken and lead.  The quality ones are the ones with latent race-realism in their naughty little hearts. And any real man is going to want a brood of little sh*tlords one day.  I doubt any one of those girls would have approached me back in my go-along-and-get-along-beta-gentleman days.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 16, 2016, 08:18:28 pm
More bullshit from North Carolina:

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Its sad that companies only see 1 side of this...... why should woman and children have to be exposed to opposite genders in their bathrooms. whats next are we going to add urinals to the womans restroom?? if LGBT people feel afraid then push for a law that requires all places to have 3 bathrooms or requires all public places to have a single occupant Unisex bathroom next to the normal bathrooms.. but protecting children should be the #1 concern not protection a very small Minority of a Minority who feel that they should be treated special.... And any company that boycotts North Carolina is just saying we only care about LGBT people we don't care about children and its a sad precident that these companies are setting....

(reply to previous)

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[Name], because the other side is dictated and fueled by emotionalism. There has never been an issue before until a local town decided to make all public bathrooms uni-sex, which is rather extreme and ignorant to do towards those many others who would be uncomfortable having their children go alone into a public restroom. The State is looking at this from the point of view of protecting children, nothing more. If grown adults who dress up as the opposite sex can't handle that, they are the ones who are the true bigots. For every legit trans person, there are 4 others who are 100% their birth gender and are simply acting out in the opposite sex because their mental state has not been addressed. Self identification has gone to the extreme due to poltical correctness. I say have a public bathroom for each sex and a 3rd bathroom that is open to anyone, then people can make their own choice based on their own convictions.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 16, 2016, 09:09:14 pm
From the files of Shit That Never Happened:

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I’m no looker; 5’10” and about a buck-fifty; bald (been rocking the skinhead since college) and in my early 40s.  I threw up a flag – put the TRUMP t-shirt on and walked around like I owned the fucking place.  Over two days I had 4 cute girls, none older than 21, come up to tell me they liked my shirt (for the record, I got one positive comment from another father, and one smart-ass remark from a 65+ cat lady hag working at the on-site Starbucks – I told the cunt to make my coffee great).  Yeah I gave the cute girls some friendly banter and invoked a little very mild dread game with my wife, but this is the point: there are still good (as good as they come anyway) White girls out there just waiting to be taken and lead.  The quality ones are the ones with latent race-realism in their naughty little hearts. And any real man is going to want a brood of little sh*tlords one day.  I doubt any one of those girls would have approached me back in my go-along-and-get-along-beta-gentleman days.

Yeah, I'm sure this guy is an absolute pussy destroyer.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 16, 2016, 09:21:33 pm
From the files of Shit That Never Happened:

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I’m no looker; 5’10” and about a buck-fifty; bald (been rocking the skinhead since college) and in my early 40s.  I threw up a flag – put the TRUMP t-shirt on and walked around like I owned the fucking place.  Over two days I had 4 cute girls, none older than 21, come up to tell me they liked my shirt (for the record, I got one positive comment from another father, and one smart-ass remark from a 65+ cat lady hag working at the on-site Starbucks – I told the cunt to make my coffee great).  Yeah I gave the cute girls some friendly banter and invoked a little very mild dread game with my wife, but this is the point: there are still good (as good as they come anyway) White girls out there just waiting to be taken and lead.  The quality ones are the ones with latent race-realism in their naughty little hearts. And any real man is going to want a brood of little sh*tlords one day.  I doubt any one of those girls would have approached me back in my go-along-and-get-along-beta-gentleman days.

Yeah, I'm sure this guy is an absolute pussy destroyer.
LADIES!
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on April 16, 2016, 09:45:11 pm
Oh, now that's boyfriend material.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 16, 2016, 09:51:11 pm
Hawt!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on April 17, 2016, 01:28:49 am
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but McCarthy was 100% correct.

The liberal media has smeared his name for over half a century for one reason only: he found them out.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 17, 2016, 08:13:10 am
Hell, I'd fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 17, 2016, 09:51:43 am
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but McCarthy was 100% correct.

The liberal media has smeared his name for over half a century for one reason only: he found them out.



As someone who's borderline communist, this guy can eat a dick.  McCarthy was a fucking delusional psychopath.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vinroke on April 17, 2016, 10:53:04 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/6fupsm.jpg)

I see shit like that all the time. Off the top of my head, things white's didn't invent/breakthrough;

Gunpowder
Arabic numerals
The Astrolabe
Algebra
Trigonometery
Aspheric Lenses
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 17, 2016, 11:21:54 am
Heart transplants, traffic lights...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 17, 2016, 12:21:17 pm
Tea...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 17, 2016, 03:57:47 pm
Also not discovered or invented by whites - Written language, glass making, agriculture, mining, refining, smelting and forming iron copper bronze and steel, gem cutting, ceramics, basic pottery and the earliest plant based textiles. That is, unless you consider ancient pre Sumerian people in the Middle East and southern Mediterranean, ancient north and east Africans, proto Chinese people of the great Steppes and early peoples of the Indian subcontinent to be "white".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 17, 2016, 08:00:34 pm
Quote from: tumblr user church-of-no-recess
you cannot support trans gals and be against shoplifting.

the anti-shoplifting fandom is fundamentally transmisogynistic.

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the withholding of those sorts of essential goods needed for survival (food, water, clothing, cosmetics, etc) is an act of violence that kills trans gals.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 17, 2016, 08:02:24 pm
......AFLJDASLFJUADSOFUJEAWLRFJASLDIOHFSIOJFKASDLKSJD

Ironbite-sorry I blue screened there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 17, 2016, 08:33:16 pm
Apparently their argument is "trans women get beaten and killed more often when they don't adequately perform femininity, therefore makeup is a survival essential and you're transphobic if you say that it's wrong to steal it".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 17, 2016, 09:15:49 pm
It is a survival as well as a self expression and self esteem need, but it would be better to organize a co-op and approach cosmetic companies and retailers about donating samples, and maybe set up a patreon or something for it. Jail is definitely not a place for transwomen, especially since they typically put you in with the men or just try to destroy your sanity by locking you in a "protective isolation unit", aka solitary confinement, aka the guards' secret rape and torture room.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 17, 2016, 11:02:12 pm
Quote from: tumblr user church-of-no-recess
you cannot support trans gals and be against shoplifting.

the anti-shoplifting fandom is fundamentally transmisogynistic.

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the withholding of those sorts of essential goods needed for survival (food, water, clothing, cosmetics, etc) is an act of violence that kills trans gals.

um.

um...

what the fuck,
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 17, 2016, 11:10:29 pm
Okay what percentage of the shoplifting fandumb are trans to begin with?  Because even if I decide to make an exception for a poor trans person, are you personally trans?  Cause if not you are still an asshole.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 17, 2016, 11:12:41 pm
Okay what percentage of the shoplifting fandumb are trans to begin with?  Because even if I decide to make an exception for a poor trans person, are you personally trans?  Cause if not you are still an asshole.

Emphasis on the word poor.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 18, 2016, 10:12:29 am
Topic is started with the claim that feminism "destroys nations" and after a long back and forth on who has the burden of proof we finally get this:

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Feminism is largely responsible for the critically low native birth rates in Western countries. While this doesn't literally "kill you", it does mean that you have a lowered probability of being born in the first place. Also from a geopolitical perspective, it is very dangerous to see birth rates much higher in one part of the world than another. This is a common cause of invasions and civilizational upheaval because there aren't enough men around to defend their country.

We are shamed into not viewing alien nations as the threats they are to our welfare and way of life. This isn't just stupid, it is extremely dangerous - akin to embracing a poisonous snake because you've been taught it's wrong to turn away any creature.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 18, 2016, 10:15:29 am
Is he afraid that a billion Indians or Chinese are going to invade his country, a la the Mongol Horde?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 18, 2016, 10:18:35 am
Quote from: tumblr user church-of-no-recess
you cannot support trans gals and be against shoplifting.

the anti-shoplifting fandom is fundamentally transmisogynistic.

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the withholding of those sorts of essential goods needed for survival (food, water, clothing, cosmetics, etc) is an act of violence that kills trans gals.
I mean I can personally understand stealing food and supplies if you're poor.

Sure, if you've got no other choice, then I can understand it. But church and the rest of these fuckends are saying that shoplifting is actually Totally Virtuous and Sticking It To The Man and doesn't actually hurt retail workers (even when retail workers come out with personal accounts of being punished because of shoplifting) and also:

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The villain in this scenario, as should be obvious, is not the shoplifters but the corporations. Like, they’re the ones that price things so as to be unattainable through legal means, and they’re the ones that punish their workers for people shoplifting.

YOU'RE STILL GIVING THEM EXCUSES TO, FUCKCHEESES.

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Private property is theft.

okay brb breaking into your house and taking all of your shit since private property is theft

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“But shoplifting is real!” Nope. They made it up. The truth hurts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 18, 2016, 10:24:51 am
Is he afraid that a billion Indians or Chinese are going to invade his country, a la the Mongol Horde?
Mainly he's scared of Muslims. ...Well he is scared of anyone who isn't white-heterosexual-Christian, but mainly complains Muslims and feminists. ...And blacks, can't forget them when you complain about "inferior races."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 18, 2016, 11:30:09 am
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The villain in this scenario, as should be obvious, is not the shoplifters but the corporations. Like, they’re the ones that price things so as to be unattainable through legal means, and they’re the ones that punish their workers for people shoplifting.

Hey here's an idea.  How about instead of shoplifting, you get involved in activist groups and fight for a higher minimum wage, stronger unions, a better welfare state and other things that would give you the satisfaction of sticking it to the man but actually help poor people?  Oh but that would require actual work so I guess it's too much to ask.



Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 18, 2016, 12:02:52 pm
That would require them to think of retail workers as people. So that's obviously impossible.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on April 18, 2016, 12:35:31 pm
Or they have the same attitude towards the retail workers as some anarchists have towards the police: since they are working for the oppressor they deserve whatever harm they get. At least the police are trained to defend themselves and aren't as helpless as the retail wage slaves.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 18, 2016, 12:46:29 pm
"oh you want to survive in this capitalist society that we're not actually working towards dissolving? well fuck you for not wanting you and your children to slowly starve"

EDIT:

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“but shoplifting hurts retail workers!” retail workers objectively shoplift more than anybody else.

she bases this on one person's personal account, by the way
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 18, 2016, 06:41:04 pm
Or they have the same attitude towards the retail workers as some anarchists have towards the police: since they are working for the oppressor they deserve whatever harm they get. At least the police are trained to defend themselves and aren't as helpless as the retail wage slaves.
(Rick Mayall-esque anarchist in a supermarket)STOP OPPRESSING MEEE

(tired, overworked checkout clerk in a bone dry voice)Will that be cash, cheque or card sir?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on April 18, 2016, 08:43:16 pm
Yeah, apparently there's a sizeable "lifting" community on tumblr (and yeah, they did give themselves a sanitized name), and a lot of them are financially stable and aren't exactly poor.  Hell, there were two "lifters" who shoplifted a fucking kitten from a shelter, then proceeded to go to Petsmart and shoplift $300 worth of pet supplies.

http://zooophagous.tumblr.com/post/123341230011/how-we-managed-to-lift-a-cat (http://zooophagous.tumblr.com/post/123341230011/how-we-managed-to-lift-a-cat)

If you want an extra treat, read the notes at the bottom and see all the "lifters" ass patting each other over this.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 18, 2016, 09:26:45 pm
Yeah, apparently there's a sizeable "lifting" community on tumblr (and yeah, they did give themselves a sanitized name), and a lot of them are financially stable and aren't exatctly poor.  Hell, there were two "lifters" who shoplifted a fucking kitten from a shelter, then proceeded to go to Petsmart and shoplift $300 worth of pet supplies.

http://zooophagous.tumblr.com/post/123341230011/how-we-managed-to-lift-a-cat (http://zooophagous.tumblr.com/post/123341230011/how-we-managed-to-lift-a-cat)

If you want an extra treat, read the notes at the bottom and see all the "lifters" ass patting each other over this.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, after the pro-anorexia and delusional (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=70784) misandrist (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=109284) posts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 18, 2016, 09:28:07 pm
I had no idea obeying the law is a "fandom."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 18, 2016, 10:02:00 pm
Oh yes. Much like how not raping people is a hobby.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on April 19, 2016, 12:36:01 pm
It really irritates me how some Tumblr leftists have chosen the lifting community as a hill to die on. I don't give a fuck about shoplifting if you're poor and trying to survive, but the Tumblr lifting community is mainly white middle/upper-class kids. The fact that they can even openly post about shoplifting in the first place is white privilege in action.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ghoti on April 20, 2016, 06:30:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/8oDqT26.png)
"Hey, if anonymous comments are getting to you, maybe you should turn them off?"
"FUCK YOU WITH A PIECE OF DOGSHIT YOU HEARTLESS MONSTER"

I will never understand the internet.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 20, 2016, 06:35:21 pm
To be fair, that whole attitude of "if you don't want to be harassed then it's your fault for letting anons message you, don't take personal insults so personally and grow a thicker skin, see how thick my skin is when I comment on something that has zero bearing on me" is some hot bullshit and I'd be annoyed by it too.

And that's some creative cursing. I aspire to one day be as creative in the sacred art of profanity.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 20, 2016, 08:07:12 pm
I think anon was talking more about how things are rather than how they should be. Sure, in an ideal world people won't anonymously insult* you. However, that is not the world we live in, and demanding they stop is only going to egg them on. If it bothers you that much, then turning off anonymous comments is really the best option. Again, it'd be lovely if no one had to worry about that in the first place, but reality does not work that way, unfortunately.

*Assuming for a moment that is indeed what's happening. To many Tumblrinas seem to think insults and harassment are the same thing as disagreement and criticism. But I digress
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on April 20, 2016, 11:50:09 pm
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You know drinking soda is much worse than drinking beer, smoking, or doing drugs right? it can really damage your body. Honestly drinking soda should be a crime.

 ???
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 21, 2016, 09:52:11 am
Just for that, I'm downing a 2-litre of Mr. Pibb.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 21, 2016, 10:08:52 am
Woooooow.  Someone's been reading too many stupid things.

Ironbite-someone find the person and bash them over the head with a 2-liter of Mt. Dew.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 23, 2016, 09:59:00 am
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/108/969/068.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 23, 2016, 11:29:40 am
LUV-LUV-LUV the badly 'shooped on manneries. Hawt!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 23, 2016, 12:12:57 pm
And it got him fired from ESPN.

Ironbite-finally.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on April 23, 2016, 06:21:55 pm
Youtube comment exchange from this buzzfeed video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWHxPxH08Q)

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I find it hard to believe that there are over nine thousand thumbs-downs on this video.   America is even more bigoted than I thought!  Nice video.


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Not agreeing with the video doesn't make someone bigoted. It probably means that they don't like stereotypes

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I disagree.  I can't think of any reason EXCEPT that they are bigots!!!  Sounds like you disagree with the premise of the video and therefore think it is OK to be a bigot!  Has nothing to do with what you call "stereotypes," but everything to do with bigotry.  You must be a Right Winger.

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then what IS the video actually about?

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Msp If you have to ask that question, you OBVIOUSLY did not get the point, and you are part of the problem.

"You're a bigot, I'm not telling you why you're a bigot and if you have to ask, it just proves you're a bigot"

This could also go under things that annoy me. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Murdin on April 24, 2016, 08:37:23 am
Youtube comment exchange from this buzzfeed video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWHxPxH08Q)

"You're a bigot, I'm not telling you why you're a bigot and if you have to ask, it just proves you're a bigot"

This could also go under things that annoy me.

When you consider the poe-ish, Jack-Chick-Liberal-meets-old-memes writing style ("OVER 9000!" "You must be a Right Winger") along with the content of the comment section, it's pretty safe to assume this is a suckpuppet of the strawman persuasion.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on April 24, 2016, 11:59:20 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bWHSpmXEJs

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TRUE NAME OF THIS VIDEO
"I'm lukewarm, but I'm not a Christian"

and it's one of the top rated comments smh
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on April 24, 2016, 12:31:09 pm
When you consider the poe-ish, Jack-Chick-Liberal-meets-old-memes writing style ("OVER 9000!" "You must be a Right Winger") along with the content of the comment section, it's pretty safe to assume this is a suckpuppet of the strawman persuasion.

I thought always thought the YouTube comment section was troll training. The young trolls go practice there until they think they're ready for other sites. That nobody posts genuine comments on YouTube.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 25, 2016, 11:15:13 pm
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Dear Europe,

You COULD be this badass if you didn't let manipulative and conniving Jews sully your land with useless third-worlders who want nothing to do with the beauty and bounty that your ancestors gave everything to bestow upon you.

Especially you, England. You didn't listen to George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, Oswald Mosley, Enoch Powel, Peter Hitchens, or Nigel Farrage. And now you are paying for it with the tens of thousands of white girls being molested and raped by evil, disgusting Muslims while your boys are told by their teachers that they must become weak and pussified non-men who bend over backwards for feminists while they bend over forwards for Jamal and and Tyrone.

Fucking do something, if you're not already a nation of pathetic cowards who don't deserve to live, let alone call yourselves British.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 25, 2016, 11:21:13 pm
God damn it how do these idiots not get that George Orwell was a freakin socialist?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 26, 2016, 12:32:30 am
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You see this shit on KIA?

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/427k5d/remember_that_sexist_misogynistic_boys_club_that/

It's a link to this article at the L.A. times.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-usc-women-video-game-design-program-20160124-htmlstory.html

The article glorifies the fact that "At USC, women now outnumber men in video game design graduate program".

Why the fuck is this a good thing? Why the fuck are you retards agreeing with this bullshit?

SJW's are calling videogames sexist, and your answer to that is to say "No we aren't, look how not sexist we are! In fact, women play video-games as much as men, and now there are more women in videogame design!"

This is why you fuckers are loosing. You are implicitly giving them legitimacy by agreeing to their narrative. The fuck is wrong with you people?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 26, 2016, 12:36:10 am
God damn it how do these idiots not get that George Orwell was a freakin socialist?

They probably knew he was anti-communist and thought "communism and socialism are the same thing, right?"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 26, 2016, 09:20:54 am
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You see this shit on KIA?

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/427k5d/remember_that_sexist_misogynistic_boys_club_that/

It's a link to this article at the L.A. times.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-usc-women-video-game-design-program-20160124-htmlstory.html

The article glorifies the fact that "At USC, women now outnumber men in video game design graduate program".

Why the fuck is this a good thing? Why the fuck are you retards agreeing with this bullshit?

SJW's are calling videogames sexist, and your answer to that is to say "No we aren't, look how not sexist we are! In fact, women play video-games as much as men, and now there are more women in videogame design!"

This is why you fuckers are loosing. You are implicitly giving them legitimacy by agreeing to their narrative. The fuck is wrong with you people?

Right, because women can't be skilled engineers.  I guess Sleepy's just randomly flailing at the keyboard when she works, fixing bug after bug like a god damned boss.  Seriously, if the best person qualified for a job is a woman, I'll hire that woman.  If the best person is a man, then I'll hire him.  Increasing the pool of available engineers can only be a good thing; the more engineers you have, the more good engineers are available.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 26, 2016, 09:27:08 am
Right, because women can't be skilled engineers.  I guess Sleepy's just randomly flailing at the keyboard when she works, fixing bug after bug like a god damned boss.  Seriously, if the best person qualified for a job is a woman, I'll hire that woman.  If the best person is a man, then I'll hire him.  Increasing the pool of available engineers can only be a good thing; the more engineers you have, the more good engineers are available.

You are missing the point. He doesn't even claim that women can't be good engineers. In his opinion the existence of women (and therefore feminism and SJWs) in engineering is bad enough on its own. It's the "narrative" that is wrong because if people acknowledge that women play and make games, if people acknowledge that video games aren't inherently sexists then feminists win. And that's what he is afraid of.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 26, 2016, 09:32:12 am
Right, because women can't be skilled engineers.  I guess Sleepy's just randomly flailing at the keyboard when she works, fixing bug after bug like a god damned boss.  Seriously, if the best person qualified for a job is a woman, I'll hire that woman.  If the best person is a man, then I'll hire him.  Increasing the pool of available engineers can only be a good thing; the more engineers you have, the more good engineers are available.

You are missing the point. He doesn't even claim that women can't be good engineers. In his opinion the existence of women (and therefore feminism and SJWs) in engineering is bad enough on its own. It's the "narrative" that is wrong because if people acknowledge that women play and make games, if people acknowledge that video games aren't inherently sexists then feminists win. And that's what he is afraid of.

To be fair, my brain partially shuts down when reading crap like that.  Also, that's hilarious.  What do you wanna bet this little cretin doesn't know the first thing about engineering and just thinks computers are glowing boxes of magic that exist to do his bidding?

[Cretin Mode]You know, like a woman, except it doesn't talk back.[/Cretin Mode]
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 27, 2016, 12:41:26 am
In this installment of "Shit Tankies Say", we have Khmer Rouge apologia!

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/ (http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/)

Here are a few highlights:

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Cambodia’s population was not halved but more than doubled since 1970, despite alleged multiple genocides. Apparently, the genocidaires were inept, or their achievements have been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah, the population doubled, but only thanks to a baby boom after 1985.  As can be seen by this graph:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Pyramide_Cambodge.PNG/640px-Pyramide_Cambodge.PNG)

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He had one great ambition: to terminate the failing colonial capitalism in Cambodia, return to village tradition, and from there, to build a new country from scratch.

By the time Pol Pot came to power, Cambodia had been independent for more than 20 years.

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Pol Pot commanded everybody away from the city and to the rice paddies, to plant rice. This was a harsh, but a necessary step, and in a year Cambodia had plenty of rice, enough to feed all and even to sell some surplus to buy necessary commodities.

Then why were so many people starving to death under his regime?

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Noam Chomsky assessed that the death toll in Cambodia may have been inflated “by a factor of a thousand.”

You're ignoring the inconvenient fact that Chomsky has since admitted he was wrong.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on April 27, 2016, 09:41:37 am
So, once again, you did not read the entirety of the article you linked. You stopped at the first thing you disagree with, hunt quickly for a few more tasty bits, and paste them in your post, arguing against them all completely out of context.

And the graph, conveniently in French, shows percentages of age distribution, not the population totals changing over time. Ratios. Notice there is not a decade or year graph? The only year mentioned is the UN updated it in the year 2004. Notice the boldly highlighted representation of the percentage of the sexes? Notice that the Cambodians have a lot of kids, which is the pattern of every struggling, developing nation on Earth?

You're a moron.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 27, 2016, 12:27:40 pm
No, Ulti is completely right about this one.  An enormous amount of research has gone into the Cambodian genocide and at this point the death toll is about as well established as the holocaust's 6 million figure.  (Speaking of which, the guy who wrote this piece is also holocaust denier and an advocate of The Protocols of Zion.http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir )

I understand not trusting UP, but I know enough about this one to say that this screed is completely bullshit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on April 27, 2016, 01:50:58 pm
An enormous amount of research has gone into the Cambodian genocide and at this point the death toll is about as well established as the holocaust's 6 million figure

[pedant mode]
By which you mean it's vastly understated because it only includes one of the targeted groups?
[/pedant mode]
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 27, 2016, 08:44:11 pm
An enormous amount of research has gone into the Cambodian genocide and at this point the death toll is about as well established as the holocaust's 6 million figure

[pedant mode]
By which you mean it's vastly understated because it only includes one of the targeted groups?
[/pedant mode]
The targeted group is itself a little muddy as Pol Pot's hate on was for the Vietnamese. Because the Vietnamese minority in Cambodia is relatively small he compensated by killing Cambodians calling them "Khmer bodies with Vietnamese minds".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 27, 2016, 10:59:14 pm
So, once again, you did not read the entirety of the article you linked. You stopped at the first thing you disagree with, hunt quickly for a few more tasty bits, and paste them in your post, arguing against them all completely out of context.

And the graph, conveniently in French, shows percentages of age distribution, not the population totals changing over time. Ratios. Notice there is not a decade or year graph? The only year mentioned is the UN updated it in the year 2004. Notice the boldly highlighted representation of the percentage of the sexes? Notice that the Cambodians have a lot of kids, which is the pattern of every struggling, developing nation on Earth?

You're a moron.

The graph does show what UP says?

The person he is replying to implied that because the population has increased since 1970, there was no genocide. The graph shows that in 2005, most of the increase in population was in people under 25, i.e. people born after the genocide.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 02, 2016, 02:24:44 pm
Interesting scientific find: African Elephants can distinguish between different human languages.  Scientists found that when they played recordings of Maasai people (who hunt elephants) Elephants reacted with fear fleeing or moving to protect their young.  But when the played recordings of Kempa people (who don't) they noticed but didn't react.

One smug right wing asshole decided this proves racial profiling is smart

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There is no real difference between an elephant’s heightened sense of alert upon hearing a particular speech pattern over our reaction to hearing dialects identifiable as coming from inner city gangster culture. Skin color? Not a factor. In case you don’t already know this; the Maasai and the Kamba are both black. (Can’t really call them African Americans for obvious reasons. Well … maybe not so obvious to liberals.)

Experience instructs. People -- and elephants -- learn.

When elephants exhibit this behavior in the wild it’s an occasion for marveling at their intelligence. When humans exhibit this behavior in high crime areas, it’s called racism.

Because white people are an endangered species on the verge of extinction.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 02, 2016, 02:51:00 pm
It should go without saying that talking in Ebonics doesn't make you a gangbanger, any more than speaking with a Southern accent makes you a redneck.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 02, 2016, 03:09:01 pm
Interesting scientific find: African Elephants can distinguish between different human languages.  Scientists found that when they played recordings of Maasai people (who hunt elephants) Elephants reacted with fear fleeing or moving to protect their young.  But when the played recordings of Kempa people (who don't) they noticed but didn't react.

One smug right wing asshole decided this proves racial profiling is smart

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There is no real difference between an elephant’s heightened sense of alert upon hearing a particular speech pattern over our reaction to hearing dialects identifiable as coming from inner city gangster culture. Skin color? Not a factor. In case you don’t already know this; the Maasai and the Kamba are both black. (Can’t really call them African Americans for obvious reasons. Well … maybe not so obvious to liberals.)

Experience instructs. People -- and elephants -- learn.

When elephants exhibit this behavior in the wild it’s an occasion for marveling at their intelligence. When humans exhibit this behavior in high crime areas, it’s called racism.

Because white people are an endangered species on the verge of extinction.

It's amazing how smart animals are, but people assume they're stupid because they don't talk or build things. I know crows can communicate faces of people to their young, and then the young crows know to avoid those people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 02, 2016, 03:19:06 pm
Interesting scientific find: African Elephants can distinguish between different human languages.  Scientists found that when they played recordings of Maasai people (who hunt elephants) Elephants reacted with fear fleeing or moving to protect their young.  But when the played recordings of Kempa people (who don't) they noticed but didn't react.

One smug right wing asshole decided this proves racial profiling is smart

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There is no real difference between an elephant’s heightened sense of alert upon hearing a particular speech pattern over our reaction to hearing dialects identifiable as coming from inner city gangster culture. Skin color? Not a factor. In case you don’t already know this; the Maasai and the Kamba are both black. (Can’t really call them African Americans for obvious reasons. Well … maybe not so obvious to liberals.)

Experience instructs. People -- and elephants -- learn.

When elephants exhibit this behavior in the wild it’s an occasion for marveling at their intelligence. When humans exhibit this behavior in high crime areas, it’s called racism.

Because white people are an endangered species on the verge of extinction.

It's amazing how smart animals are, but people assume they're stupid because they don't talk or build things. I know crows can communicate faces of people to their young, and then the young crows know to avoid those people.

It really is amazing.  Did you know that crocodiles have been observed using tools (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/tool-use-in-crocodylians-crocodiles-and-alligators-use-sticks-as-lures-to-attract-waterbirds/)?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 03, 2016, 12:20:28 am
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(Can’t really call them African Americans for obvious reasons. Well … maybe not so obvious to liberals.)

Because if dem librulz find out that there are African Africans in a continent called Africa their brains will asplode. Librulz ain't gud at that book learning stuff.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 03, 2016, 01:49:41 am
While were on that note, can we get the republicans to change their mascot to something besides Elephants?  Elephants really don't fir them as a party:

1) Elephants are right up there with the Apes for the smartest animals on earth, republicans are anti-science and anti-intellectual.
2) Elephants have possibly the highest level of confirmed altruism and empathy of any animal, republicans are based on bigotry and "fuck you I've got mine" economics.
3) Elephants are matriarchal and frequently engage in homosexual acts, republicans are sexist and homophobic.

And frankly it seems wrong to make your symbol an animal your policies are helping drive into extinction.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 03, 2016, 01:56:09 am
You're absolutely right. The GOP mascot should be a ground vole with a monocle.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 03, 2016, 02:31:26 am
Nah.

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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 03, 2016, 02:53:23 am
Wow that's kind of perfect.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on May 03, 2016, 07:58:42 am
Or maybe this, 'cuz they're slimy, carrion eating pricks addicted to twisted logic

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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on May 04, 2016, 06:19:34 am
Who's up for a rousing round of telling abuse victims to walk it off? No one? TOO BAD HERE WE GO

Quote from: tumblr user keyhollow
Stop being a victim. Use your experience to learn and grow and perhaps help others. Use it to strengthen yourself and better read situations, understand things around you. Don’t fall into a blubbering mass of self pity and depression. Rise.

(The post that this one was in response to (http://prokopetz.tumblr.com/post/143803470307/if-theres-anything-more-pernicious-than-the), for context.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 04, 2016, 07:56:13 am
Who's up for a rousing round of telling abuse victims to walk it off? No one? TOO BAD HERE WE GO

Quote from: tumblr user keyhollow
Stop being a victim. Use your experience to learn and grow and perhaps help others. Use it to strengthen yourself and better read situations, understand things around you. Don’t fall into a blubbering mass of self pity and depression. Rise.

(The post that this one was in response to (http://prokopetz.tumblr.com/post/143803470307/if-theres-anything-more-pernicious-than-the), for context.)
I don't know if that poster didn't read what he said or did and decided to be an extra festy diseased cock about it.

Not sure which is worse.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 04, 2016, 08:30:37 am
Who's up for a rousing round of telling abuse victims to walk it off? No one? TOO BAD HERE WE GO

Quote from: tumblr user keyhollow
Stop being a victim. Use your experience to learn and grow and perhaps help others. Use it to strengthen yourself and better read situations, understand things around you. Don’t fall into a blubbering mass of self pity and depression. Rise.

(The post that this one was in response to (http://prokopetz.tumblr.com/post/143803470307/if-theres-anything-more-pernicious-than-the), for context.)
I don't know if that poster didn't read what he said or did and decided to be an extra festy diseased cock about it.

Not sure which is worse.

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Not only did the commenter completely miss the point they did a 180 and a perfect example of what the original poster was complaining about. It's hard to do that by accident but I suppose stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on May 04, 2016, 11:29:44 am
More likely, keyhollow knows the post is about them and simply thinks the post is wrong. He probably wouldn't phrase it this way, but it could probably be summarized as "calling people who say 'your mindset makes you weak' unkind is exactly the sort of mindset that makes you weak!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 05, 2016, 03:24:10 pm
This thing, I'm not sure if the writers were 100% honest or if this is supposed to be ironic or parody or something. The fact that it's from Daily Fail is not helping. Anyway, it's a lot more fun if you imagine Gilbert Gottfried reading it while trying to sound as sarcastic as possible
(http://i.imgur.com/Mp3cqUk.png)

...and ending it by rolling his eyes and going "...Yeah, imagine how the fathers have felt about this before they even got 50% custody."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on May 05, 2016, 04:01:33 pm
OFFS. Lauren Libbert. Earning her salary by writing brain dead to rights, tone deaf, idiot drivel for The Daily Fail. But I have to admire her oblivious courage. I'd be nearly suicidal with shame if I ever wrote that, unironically.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 05, 2016, 07:52:38 pm
Who fucking gives a shit if your useless father misses you, what about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on May 06, 2016, 10:17:44 pm
Good and bad.

The good.

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Oh Emma you don't deserve all this hate and backlash from that video undoomed put up.you're a great person,I only met you a couple of times at academy but you were nice and now you're getting all these mean comments from that video.You made a mistake and you get it now you want equality for all not just for women...you are a feminist and that's okay

The bad are the responses.

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Whatever chance you may have had being respected by and/or getting intimate with Emma are now lost forever. Her subcouncious self deems you unfit for reproduction and as a weak representative of the male gender unable to provide and to protect because of your aspiration for female approval from a standing point of perceptional subservience... Ergo:

A mangina simp...

Stop wearing hipster glasses, stop wearing loose pants and tight shirts, but wear tight pants and loose shirts, pump iron you look small (no need to become Arnold, just pump that shit), next time a woman wants to be taken out tell her you dont care what she thinks or wants and that youre not gonna pay for overpriced crap but you will cook for her... then take her home, make her rice with weggies and chicken meat and after that fuck her like a champion...

Shiiiiieeeet Fam! Be a fucking Man bro! You can do it! I was probably an even bigger simp than you! All of us 90s kids were... but now?! My my...

Peace bro, no hard feelings

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Stfu you white knight cuckolding bitch who's ad everything he ever wanted.

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Translation "Oh Emma, please like me and maybe one day I can touch your lady parts"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TK9bWzZDBU


This was the video that inspired this.  Yeah she's such a radical manhating feminist.   ::)

She was discovered by one of those channels that look for obscure/unknown channels to mock (which is admittingly similar to fstdt), but since he has 100K subs, some of his more toxic fans bombard the channels he mocks with nasty comments including rape and death threats.  The uploader of the mocked video usually ends up disabling their comments, deleting their video, or in extreme cases, deleting their whole channel.  The trolls declare victory, accusing their victims of being cowards who can't handle "criticism". 

Though even the "criticism" is BS.  They assume that because someone calls themselves a feminist, they embrace the most toxic elements of the movement.  They'll use that and instances of SJWs and feminists pulling similar stunts to justify their assholery.  To which I say, why not go after them instead of some teenage girl who, as far as they know, has done nothing of that sort?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 07, 2016, 12:10:10 am
Expressing sympathy is asking for a fuck now? Do these morons actually believe this?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 07, 2016, 12:29:32 am
Expressing sympathy is asking for a fuck now? Do these morons actually believe this?
You see, if you think that the only reason to act nice towards a woman is so that she would have sex with you, then you may assume that everyone else also thinks the same.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2016, 01:28:13 am
Expressing sympathy is asking for a fuck now? Do these morons actually believe this?
You see, if you think that the only reason to act nice towards a woman is so that she would have sex with you, then you may assume that everyone else also thinks the same.

Exactly.  These people have IMAX levels of projection.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 10, 2016, 02:24:55 pm
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I don't think Hitler was that bad. I mean, he did kill a few million Jews, but that was just par for the course during world war 2. The Japanese did some crazy shit, the Russians killed many more of their own. And if you broaden the scope to a few decades before and after, pretty much every nation did terrible shit to a large group. US internment camps weren't bad at all, but we did stir the pot in the Middle East and South America.

And an even scarier notion to consider is that Hitler was (probably IMO blah blah blah) doing what he though was best for his people. And that's not... too terrible a motive. I mean, that same motive has been used to justified great big atrocities throughout history, but it's not like he was evil to his core.

So I don't think Hitler was the most evil man in history. I don't think he was evil at all. Evil men kill hundreds. They may even torture and rape a few thousand. But the men who exterminate millions, or kill off an entire population, are usually good men with good intentions.

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/4d/4dad2d006aec22cbee56d3f69e3e295f13152cd09ee59e545cb1dea22eca2a2c.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 10, 2016, 02:58:32 pm
...Yeah, I get what he is saying. I don't fully agree with him but I get the point. For example: The Allied bombing campaigns over Germany killed a lot of people and I assume that the people involved were mainly doing it because of the necessities of war and perhaps even belief that they were doing the right thing, rather than simply doing it out of desire to kill and terrorize Germans. Even Hiroshima and Nagasaki got nuked mainly because it was believed that it was a necessary evil in order to avoid a far more bloody land war (in Asia.)

On the other hand, many of the atrocities of the war don't have good justifications. The Japanese massacres of civilians and prisoners got to the point where the officers were competing over who can kill the most people, US soldiers and marines making trophies out of the bones of the Japanese soldiers was a macabre practice and if you can think of a noble justification (even one that only the person doing it could believe) then you are more creative than I am.

But in the end the whole "people do horrible things because they believe it is the right thing" may seem odd but that is exactly what has happened in every holy war so far. The crusaders were a massacre for all the sides involved and the people who made the streets of their holy city flood with the blood of their victims DID in fact believe that they were on a mission from God and making the world a better place. The suicide attackers who killed thousands in the 9/11 attacks believed they were on a mission from God rather than Snidely Whiplash clones who lived only to do evil.

People who hurt and kill simply for the pleasure they get from it do exist but they are not the only ones who do horrible deeds and are more likely to be a serial killer with handful of victims rather than a mass murderer who is willing to die for his cause.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on May 10, 2016, 09:00:07 pm
I think one historical exception would be Vlad III Drăculești, "The Impaler".  A true serial killer sociopath who was "lucky" enough to be born into a ruling family. He was surely evil. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 10, 2016, 09:59:22 pm
Although Romanians think he's top notch defending them from the invaders.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 10, 2016, 10:20:20 pm
Yeah I get the point but it's a giant oversimplification to say that Hitler thought he was doing the right thing.

Why did Hitler think it was the right thing?  He wasn't just making an honest mistake.  Read some biographic material on the guy and it's clear he was a man of limitless narcissism, zero regard of the well being of others unless they stroked his ego and enormous levels of cruelty for those who didn't.  His belief in the evil Jewish conspiracy was most likely a result of that, something that let him scapegoat his failures on someone else and give himself a more specific outlet for his sadism.  Hitler wasn't a good person who made an innocent whoops-a-daisy, he was a piece of shit that's why he believed what he believed.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 12, 2016, 01:36:03 am
When I made a post very similar to this one on another forum:

http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=7289.msg296816#msg296816

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I dunno. I have a feeling this bathroom law dustup might be a bridge too far for the PC crowd. I wouldn't be surprised to see some real backlash at the PC political establishment, to include Hillary, by the same people who are most likely to turn out in large numbers for Trump.

It kind of reminds me of the Chik-Fil-A boycott a few years ago that led to a 'counter-boycott' that gave Chik-fil-A some of its best sales days (not to mention the free media exposure).

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Agreed. I know as a parent, I wouldn't want a full grown man walking into the bathroom that my little girl is using because he decided to be a women that week.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 12, 2016, 01:39:53 am
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When you say trespassing on private property is bad, the hippie/wanna be activists come out of the woodwork to say something dumb like HUR DURR, THATS HOW SHIT GETS DONE, PROTESTING!!!!11! BLOCK TRAFFIC! INTERRUPT SPEECHES!! INVADE PRIVATE PROPERTY!!! Thats nice dear, it still doesn't make trespassing right, or legal for that matter.

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I hate fracking too, but trespassing on someone's private property is not a solution.

...What's so bad about these?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 12, 2016, 01:49:45 am
And were they trespassing on private property then?

I get the impression that the complainers simply don't like people violating laws and would prefer legal methods of protest and resistance.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 12, 2016, 01:53:07 am
Yeah I'm with Askold on this one.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 12, 2016, 02:37:19 am
Did you know decided to do things like end the slavery and accept gay marriage without shooting people or breaking other laws to achieve these things?

The claim that no progress is possible without violating laws is false dichotomy as such things have happened and at the very least it is an extremely pessimistic view.

And I know that the slavery thing was an extremely rare incident but so were your "what of the holocaust and why won't anyone think of the children" examples. The point is that you don't always have to break the laws to change things and at the very least it should not be your first option.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 12, 2016, 10:57:19 am
...

...I seem to have misplaced a few words from my post.

I was supposed to point out that other countries have managed to end slavery and allow gay marriage without riots and a civil war. Instead I seem to have typed gobbledygook. Yay for Askold who still can't type English properly.

Because legal protests are a thing in most countries.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lady Evil on May 12, 2016, 12:52:26 pm
Lord Elthibar's at it again! Here's his take on Target's new bathroom rules.

http://lordelthibar.deviantart.com/art/Boycott-Target-608138985#comments

Love how original and artistic he is! Wow, using the airbrush tool in MS Paint to draw an X over a pre-generated logo must've taken him a whole minute! (Yeah, if you include hitting "save")
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on May 12, 2016, 01:21:17 pm
Oh, right, he was a thing. Time to indulge my bad habit of hatereading assholes and idiots once more...

And of course he advocates for security guards in front of stalls because of THE TRANSGENDER MENACE. Of course he does. It's a shame he blocked me, otherwise I'd really like to take the piss again.

EDIT:

(http://orig13.deviantart.net/94f5/f/2016/110/9/9/philly_2_by_kumdang_2-d9zofma.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2016, 03:32:49 pm
Speaking of idiotic advice animals:

(http://i.lvme.me/e977qjl.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lady Evil on May 13, 2016, 12:38:27 pm
Oh, right, he was a thing. Time to indulge my bad habit of hatereading assholes and idiots once more...

And of course he advocates for security guards in front of stalls because of THE TRANSGENDER MENACE. Of course he does. It's a shame he blocked me, otherwise I'd really like to take the piss again.

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(http://orig13.deviantart.net/94f5/f/2016/110/9/9/philly_2_by_kumdang_2-d9zofma.jpg)

Has he heard of the incident where a woman was denied entrance into a woman's room because she didn't look girly enough?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 14, 2016, 04:59:51 am
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     Transgendereism
    Might as well open with a bomb, it's a mental disorder, NOT a state of being.

    Our esteemed Attorney General has claimed it to be the new front in the fight for civil rights. Horse shit. It's a political agenda with NO basis in civil rights whatsoever. Nothing more than a centralized power grab by the federal government.

    We have .25% of the population driving an agenda for the balance. If it were nothing more than just understanding the disorder I suppose we could live with that. But to force upon the public an agenda that encompasses architectural changes to accommodate the mentally impaired is a step too far.

    If one can choose facilities and demand accommodation merely because of what they believe themselves to be rather than what they are, then I can choose to be an Amerindian with all of the perks thereof, and you can be black, or Asian, or even physically impaired. Who's to argue otherwise if that's what you believe?

    As a solution to this non-problem that has caught the fancy of those into pop-crisis I offer this;

    1. Give them free treatment for their mental disorder.
    2. Give them free surgical remedy.
    3. If they refuse the first two options, encourage suicide. (They already have an extraordinary high rate anyway. And if that isn't a sign of mental disorder I don't know what is.)
    4. Euthanize them.

    Society doesn't have to put up with their shit, or the governments insistence that we do.

    Ismael



For the record, this dude is the kind of guy who complains about SJWs being horrible because they are intolerant of other people's intolerance. Sure, when someone complains about your racism you throw a tantrum and complain about kids and their safe spaces and defend yourself with the freedom of speech, but the moment you see someone that you don't agree with you demand their deaths.

The rest of the thread was all downhill from there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on May 14, 2016, 08:46:01 am
FTF him
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     Transgendereism Christian Rights "Oppression"-ism
    Might as well open with a bomb, it's a mental disorder gymnastics, NOT a state of being.

    Our esteemed Attorney General has claimed it to be the new an old affront in the fight for civil rights. It's Horse shit. It's a political agenda with NO basis in civil rights whatsoever. Nothing more than a centralized power grab by on the federal government.

    We have .25 30% of the population driving an agenda for the balance. If it were nothing more than just understanding the disorder cultish religious zealotry and social ignorance, I suppose we could live with that. But to force upon the public an agenda that encompasses architectural changes to accommodate the mentally impaired is a step too far.

    If one can choose demand facilitiesation and demand accommodation merely because of what they believe themselves to be as "Christians" rather than what they are, then I can choose to be an Amerindiancan, with all of the perks and duties thereof, and you can be demand that whether you are black, or Asian, or even physically impaired, that your rights will be protected. Who's to argue otherwise if the Constitution and Bill of Rights and 14th Amendment that's protects what you believe know is the law of the land?

    As a solution to this non-problem that has caught the fancy of those into pop-crisis I offer this;

    1. Give them free college education treatment for their mental disorderliness.
    2. Give them free surgical weed as a remedy.
    3. If they refuse the first two options, encourage suicide playing RPG games. (They already have an extraordinary high rate of rigid, cult-like conformist thinking, anyway. And if that isn't a sign of mental disorder I don't know what is.)
    4. Euthanize Destabilize them politically and socially online and IRL.

    Society doesn't have to put up with their shit, or and the governments insistence that should reflect in legislation what we do.

    Ismael



For the record, this dude is the kind of guy who complains about SJWs being horrible because they are intolerant of other people's intolerance. Sure, when someone complains about your racism you throw a tantrum and complain about kids and their safe spaces and defend yourself with the freedom of speech, but the moment you see someone that you don't agree with you demand their deaths.

The rest of the thread was all downhill from there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rageaholic on May 14, 2016, 09:50:08 am
Do entire youtube channels count?  Because if they do, holy fucking shit (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-Mm7pvi_q_XTCqxpJZKeQ)

She looks like she's 13, talks like she's even younger, yet manages to top Trump in saying the most fucked up things.  In one video, she's celebrating Hitler's birthday.  I'm still convinced this is some Poe, but it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 14, 2016, 04:33:39 pm
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     Transgendereism
    Might as well open with a bomb, it's a mental disorder, NOT a state of being.

    Our esteemed Attorney General has claimed it to be the new front in the fight for civil rights. Horse shit. It's a political agenda with NO basis in civil rights whatsoever. Nothing more than a centralized power grab by the federal government.

    We have .25% of the population driving an agenda for the balance. If it were nothing more than just understanding the disorder I suppose we could live with that. But to force upon the public an agenda that encompasses architectural changes to accommodate the mentally impaired is a step too far.

    If one can choose facilities and demand accommodation merely because of what they believe themselves to be rather than what they are, then I can choose to be an Amerindian with all of the perks thereof, and you can be black, or Asian, or even physically impaired. Who's to argue otherwise if that's what you believe?

    As a solution to this non-problem that has caught the fancy of those into pop-crisis I offer this;

    1. Give them free treatment for their mental disorder.
    2. Give them free surgical remedy.
    3. If they refuse the first two options, encourage suicide. (They already have an extraordinary high rate anyway. And if that isn't a sign of mental disorder I don't know what is.)
    4. Euthanize them.

    Society doesn't have to put up with their shit, or the governments insistence that we do.

    Ismael



For the record, this dude is the kind of guy who complains about SJWs being horrible because they are intolerant of other people's intolerance. Sure, when someone complains about your racism you throw a tantrum and complain about kids and their safe spaces and defend yourself with the freedom of speech, but the moment you see someone that you don't agree with you demand their deaths.

The rest of the thread was all downhill from there.

He seems nice.

Ironbite-*throws a white whale at him*
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on May 14, 2016, 04:40:47 pm
I just love how this guy's basically advocating for free gender confirmation surgery in the middle of treating gender nonconformity as a mental illness and wanting transgender people to kill themselves. It's such a weird ideological non sequitur there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on May 14, 2016, 11:37:50 pm
For these types, I don't think they mean orderly, neat surgery.

I think - given their mindset - "surgery" can be better described as torture, probably involving a knife or scissors.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 16, 2016, 02:18:56 am
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they should mention how the mossad rigged the twin towers during 9/11; and micheal chertoff is a mossad agent
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 16, 2016, 03:32:10 am
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they should mention how the mossad rigged the twin towers during 9/11; and micheal chertoff is a mossad agent

Context? I mean, its bad no matter what, I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 16, 2016, 08:52:27 am
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they should mention how the mossad rigged the twin towers during 9/11; and micheal chertoff is a mossad agent

Context? I mean, its bad no matter what, I'm just curious.

It was on a documentary about daring intelligence operations.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Souriquois on May 18, 2016, 11:46:08 am
See my thread on HBD and you will see an inkling of not good things people say on the Internet.

The places need a theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMR5zf1J1Hs
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 18, 2016, 11:21:04 pm
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/2epkdpz.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on May 19, 2016, 11:00:07 am
Well that there is a pail full of juicy, stinky trolling chum, ain't it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 21, 2016, 03:45:10 am
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If you feel this way about Reagan then you must really hate Obama and Clinton for what they have done to this country and the world. Obama will go down as the worst president this country ever had. Although one of the three stooges running for the office now will most likely give him a run for his money. Name one other president who has bullied and threatened the children of the U. S. the way King Obama did by saying he will punish them if they don't allow perverts into their schools. Not Gays or Transsexuals, but outright perverts is what he is calling for and if the school districts don't bow to him he will punish every student. That is Obama.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: mellenORL on May 23, 2016, 10:53:23 pm
Ha. I was reading that and then my Twitter alerts went off like ten in a row, as if my phone was a bullshit alarm for that post. Reality has no bearing for that person. Sad grandma, probably.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 30, 2016, 06:45:35 am
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My son and I came close to blows about Hillary and Trump yesterday. We agree that both will likely lead the nation to ruin but my insane demented moron son believes Hillary and Donald are capable of improvement. I believe they are not, and our real decision involves whether we wanna die in combat or starve to death. I didn't help when I called him a stupid fool and a pussy for Clinton. But he doesn't like Clinton, he simply wants to die peacefully, while I wanna die boarding ship with a cutlass in hand.

I am getting the feeling that no matter how the elections end there will be massacres. ...And it's not just from this comment. It's a general impression I get from all the comments about the elections in USA.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 30, 2016, 10:03:28 am
Eeh, things didn't end in a bloodbath after a black man got elected President.  The militias will continue their sabre rattling, all the while pissing themselves at the thought of being noticed as a threat by the US military.  After all, their code states that they handle all threats foreign and domestic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ironchew on May 30, 2016, 02:27:21 pm
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Okay, maybe this will sound nuts, but hear me out. A crapton of SJWs actually love the idea of white women having sex with black men, because they genuinely believe that they need to "breed out" whiteness through it.
I've had this debate (more like WTF conversation) with a dude who told me, he wants the governments of white countries to put it in law that us, white women all need to be impregnated by black or other dark skinned men and ONLY by them. It should be banned for a white woman to give birth to a white or light skinned baby. He graciously allowed us to stay with the partners we liked without considering race, but white men would be mandated to raise those kids as their own and be legally and financially responsible for them. According to him this would eradicate racism, as the white race would cease to exist, with the small price of white women getting government mandated rape and we would also be forced to give birth to kids we don't want. At first I was convinced he was a troll, but he sounded incredibly genuine about the whole thing.

"No, this wasn't me talking shit with my white supremacist buddies; I was truly having a debate with an essjay who just so happens to speak entirely in white-power-coded language."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 30, 2016, 02:49:48 pm
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Okay, maybe this will sound nuts, but hear me out. A crapton of SJWs actually love the idea of white women having sex with black men, because they genuinely believe that they need to "breed out" whiteness through it.
I've had this debate (more like WTF conversation) with a dude who told me, he wants the governments of white countries to put it in law that us, white women all need to be impregnated by black or other dark skinned men and ONLY by them. It should be banned for a white woman to give birth to a white or light skinned baby. He graciously allowed us to stay with the partners we liked without considering race, but white men would be mandated to raise those kids as their own and be legally and financially responsible for them. According to him this would eradicate racism, as the white race would cease to exist, with the small price of white women getting government mandated rape and we would also be forced to give birth to kids we don't want. At first I was convinced he was a troll, but he sounded incredibly genuine about the whole thing.

To be fair, there legitimately are some people who think stuff like that:

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/zmm4n6.jpg)

But I doubt that they're anywhere near as common as this guy is implying.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 30, 2016, 02:59:51 pm
I was about to say, "sounds like someone I'd expect to see on Tumblr".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on May 30, 2016, 03:03:55 pm
To be fair, there legitimately are some people who think stuff like that:

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/zmm4n6.jpg)

But I doubt that they're anywhere near as common as this guy is implying.

To be honest, this looks like the person is joking. Internet being internet it's not inconceivable that the person is serious but without context it's not as likely.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on June 03, 2016, 10:41:47 pm
Comments from a video asking why Ayn Rand was still a thing:

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Rand has some harsh views but that doesn't really discount them
Objectively speaking, which was after all her thing, native Americans don't have any right to live somewhere if a superior culture comes along and wipes them out - survival of the fittest
And if liberals are truly about nature they'll understand that this is the natural order

Communism is a disease, all the countries that experimented with it failed dismally whereas capitalism gives people choice, security and a functioning society because it adheres to the 'do or die' mentality that nature designed as opposed to the god we invented who'll do all the work for us because we deserve it or some such blah blah blah, throw in something about 'Machiavellian' and that's the other side of the argument

Life's a bitch - and because she talks about it, people think Ayn must have been too

Fools

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It's my personal belief that the ideal man she had in mind was really the tortured autistic genius in hiding. The word autism itself has been polluted by those who are unable to comprehend it since the days of Leo Kanner, so I wouldn't expect her to be aware of such a connection. She herself was likely to be an Aspie, which is why I am not surprised by the vitriol thrown at her by people who don't understand her perspective. They're the same groups who hate autistic people, whether or not they realize it.

I just . . . what?

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so native americans are savages ...???

In the sense of primitive society with no concept of individual rights,  yes.

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so native americans are savages ...???

While the term is very condescending, it's technically true. Native Americans had a very uncivilized and primitive way of life.

I read these two comments and all I could think of was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6k52YTIQB4
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: lord gibbon on June 03, 2016, 10:56:54 pm
Yes, because it's not like the Iroquois built a functioning democracy centuries before the Europeans, or that Cahokia at it's height was bigger than contemporary London or Paris...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 04, 2016, 12:42:22 am
...The more I see the objectivists defend their ideology the worse it seems.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on June 04, 2016, 02:09:14 am
It's like the idiots who think Africa is only tribesman and warlord stuff.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 04, 2016, 02:24:33 am
Yes, because it's not like the Iroquois built a functioning democracy centuries before the Europeans, or that Cahokia at it's height was bigger than contemporary London or Paris...
Cahokia had around 40 000 at the very most at its peak. That's a drop in the bucket compared to modern London or Paris.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 04, 2016, 02:30:27 am
I think the irrepressible one was talking about London and Paris at the same time Cahokia was at its peak. Rather than modern London or Paris
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 04, 2016, 02:33:53 am
Yes, because it's not like the Iroquois built a functioning democracy centuries before the Europeans, or that Cahokia at it's height was bigger than contemporary London or Paris...
Cahokia had around 40 000 at the very most at its peak. That's a drop in the bucket compared to modern London or Paris.
Gibbon said "contemporary" not modern, still wrong though. In 1400 when Cahokia reached its highest population during 13th century it was probably only slightly smaller than London at the same time but Paris had over 200k people already.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_urban_community_sizes )
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 04, 2016, 02:35:57 am
Yes, because it's not like the Iroquois built a functioning democracy centuries before the Europeans, or that Cahokia at it's height was bigger than contemporary London or Paris...
Cahokia had around 40 000 at the very most at its peak. That's a drop in the bucket compared to modern London or Paris.
Gibbon said "contemporary" not modern, still wrong though. In 1400 when Cahokia reached its highest population during 13th century it was probably only slightly smaller than London at the same time but Paris had over 200k people already.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_urban_community_sizes )
Gotta love brainfarts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 04, 2016, 02:48:35 am
Dang, I made some typos on my post as well. Anyway it looks nearly understandable so I suppose that is close enough.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 04, 2016, 10:51:57 am
"Objectively speaking, which was after all her thing, native Americans don't have any right to live somewhere if a superior culture comes along and wipes them out - survival of the fittest"

-some asshole, defending Ayn Rand.

"In a civilized society, force may be used only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use"

-Ayn fucking Rand

Wiping out another society because you dislike them: not, actually, a retaliatory use of force.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 06, 2016, 01:32:20 am
Doesn't appear to agree with this report (which is admittedly a bit old):

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aic.pdf (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aic.pdf)

Then again at a murder rate of 20% I would be amazed that a community could continue to exist at all.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 06, 2016, 01:34:11 am
20% of what? All deaths? Or do they kill 20% of their population daily?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on June 06, 2016, 01:37:55 am
20% of what? All deaths? Or do they kill 20% of their population daily?
He's talking about pre-contact deaths.

I have no clue where he got those stats, as he refuses to provide any sources.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 06, 2016, 01:53:42 am
There are plenty of anthropologists that think many hunter gatherer and small scale farming societies can have very high rates of violent deaths from warfare, studies of groups in South America, New Guinea, Australia and Alaska do point towards males have 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 odds of being killed in war.  My sources are the books War Before Civilization by Lawrence Keeley, Better Angels of our Nature by Stephen Pinker and War by Gwynne Dyer.

However there are also many anthropologists who disagree and argue that levels of warfare are much lower.

Only being a layman I've been left with the impression that "primitive" societies seem to have wildly varying levels of violence, just like "modern" ones, and we should be skeptical about making sweeping generalizations about prehistory.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 06, 2016, 02:08:05 am
Huh, I thought small tribal societies had very low death rate from war and murder, simply because tribes of only a few hundred people each can't afford to piss away their people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 06, 2016, 02:26:17 am
Their food supply can be pretty weak and unpredictable, so it can be very easy for even a small group to have more people then their territory can support, meaning they have to take someone else's and be constantly on guard from potentially hungry outsiders.  The general rule of thumb is that hunter-gatherers living in extremely marginal resource poor environments like the high arctic have low levels of warfare (since populations are tiny and you will rarely interact with outsiders) and those living in rich environments with more then enough have high levels of warfare (since it's actually possible to overrun your resource base and everywhere else already has people in it).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Meshakhad on June 10, 2016, 05:28:59 pm
20% of what? All deaths? Or do they kill 20% of their population daily?
He's talking about pre-contact deaths.

I have no clue where he got those stats, as he refuses to provide any sources.

I recall an article in New Scientist which estimated the death toll from violence before the advent of medieval nation states (and in the period when the Mongols really figured out this cavalry thing and no one could stop them) at 20%.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on June 11, 2016, 11:58:26 am
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 11, 2016, 01:56:44 pm
This ones a doozy

(click to show/hide)

Bong hits for the Illuminati!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 11, 2016, 04:25:36 pm
Something-something Half-Life 3 confirmed.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 12, 2016, 05:04:22 pm
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/xgb9ja.jpg)

I'm pretty sure the shooter's virulent homophobia was a bigger factor than Counterstrike.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 12, 2016, 05:14:33 pm
Gee, I wasn't gonna murder LGBT people but then I played Call of Duty SO I GUESS IT'S OKAY
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on June 12, 2016, 08:43:52 pm
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Get over it. You leftist cucks cant even handle the fact that we are at war. But im sure youll keep going," its just a minority, stop being an edgelord" when youre crawling on a theatre floor when theyre executing people in front of you
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 12, 2016, 08:47:26 pm
(http://i2.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/cuckchick.jpg?resize=600%2C398)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on June 12, 2016, 09:04:05 pm
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I love how things like this can help me weed out acephobes so I can fucjing unfollow their asses.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on June 12, 2016, 09:20:29 pm
Someone wanting to not receive stuff in their feed from people who hate them counts as a "bad thing that was said online" now? Or is this in reference to the Pulse shootings? In which case, wow, yeah, those are some skewed priorities OP's got there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on June 13, 2016, 06:55:21 pm
Quote from: deviantart user lordelthibar
It's the truth because they are blaming the Orlando shooting on Christians when the shooter was a member of ISIS! Doesn't anyone see that this is a set up so the people can use the crimes of others to blame Christians! Why else do you think I won't tolerate these scum?! Duh! It's time this group finds itself in the pages of history alongside Nazism, Leninism, Communism, and the KKK! Forgotten!

Comparing us to the people who loathe us and would love to see us dead is always Classy (tm).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 14, 2016, 03:35:46 pm
Gee, I wasn't gonna murder LGBT people but then I played Call of Duty SO I GUESS IT'S OKAY

Oh, and it gets better.  Dude works for Polygon:

http://www.deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=justin_mcelroy (http://www.deepfreeze.it/journo.php?j=justin_mcelroy)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 14, 2016, 03:47:21 pm
...Knew it, this would eventually fold back into It That Shall Not Be Named.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on June 14, 2016, 06:03:57 pm
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Much as I hate minstrelsy, I think it should be allowed to succeed or fail on its own merits.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Katsuro on June 15, 2016, 11:24:26 am
This shite appeared on my Facebook feed today along with the words, "This is what SJW's actually believe."

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13423722_1722112791388559_8321479667265926073_n.jpg?oh=d4eedb8a381223717d3521d7e710d317&oe=57D0D8B2)

They should've used this picture instead:

(http://ytemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/scarecrow1.jpg)

I might have to rethink having the wanker who "liked" this on my friends list.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 16, 2016, 01:36:21 am
Some asshole's opinion on the Orlando shooting

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I know what you want. A society run by feminists and powered by lesbians, where the feminists have the gays under their thumb so that they say exactly the right words and visions on the media they control. Control is placed on judges and educators and professors who know they must obey your ideological dictates or suffer savaging in the media.

The people you attack are meek limp men, ‘guilty’ whites, and christians confused about their religion, praying for forgiveness, lol. Gays have already hijacked the rainbow; the populace is so stupid that they think gays own the rainbow. Really!!! That stupid!!! The mistake you are making is that you are attacking males, whites and christians so intensely that they have no more cheeks to turn; they have no choice but to fight back. Personally I will fight you to the end of life, to hell and back, in words, pictures and vitriol, until I am able to see your ideology discarded in the toxic wastebin of history.

Let me help you understand gaiety. Lets get down and dirty on that.. Gaiety advocates the

(here he describes sex acts he claims all and only gay people do that the blog he's posting on censored.)

That’s All It Is. Nothing more. Just the Pride of unsanitary acts. That is who you are worshipping. Too stupid to know what an anus is for. As for Trump, his books emphasize safety, and economic changes to improve living standards. Solid ideas. He passes no comment on butt-worshippers. But he has no plans how we can crush gay propaganda. And that is the issue of the era. So he is a wimp.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 16, 2016, 02:07:13 am
Some asshole's opinion on the Orlando shooting

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I know what you want. A society run by feminists and powered by lesbians, where the feminists have the gays under their thumb so that they say exactly the right words and visions on the media they control. Control is placed on judges and educators and professors who know they must obey your ideological dictates or suffer savaging in the media.

The people you attack are meek limp men, ‘guilty’ whites, and christians confused about their religion, praying for forgiveness, lol. Gays have already hijacked the rainbow; the populace is so stupid that they think gays own the rainbow. Really!!! That stupid!!! The mistake you are making is that you are attacking males, whites and christians so intensely that they have no more cheeks to turn; they have no choice but to fight back. Personally I will fight you to the end of life, to hell and back, in words, pictures and vitriol, until I am able to see your ideology discarded in the toxic wastebin of history.

Let me help you understand gaiety. Lets get down and dirty on that.. Gaiety advocates the

(here he describes sex acts he claims all and only gay people do that the blog he's posting on censored.)

That’s All It Is. Nothing more. Just the Pride of unsanitary acts. That is who you are worshipping. Too stupid to know what an anus is for. As for Trump, his books emphasize safety, and economic changes to improve living standards. Solid ideas. He passes no comment on butt-worshippers. But he has no plans how we can crush gay propaganda. And that is the issue of the era. So he is a wimp.

So his opinion can be summed up as;

#DonaldTrump #NotMyFuhrer
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on June 16, 2016, 09:31:04 am
Okay I'm not giving this fucko any more of my mental attention, but

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Too stupid to know what an anus is for.

he does know cis men have a G-spot inside the butthole, right? And his God made cis male bodies that way?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on June 17, 2016, 12:29:59 am
I don't think it's just cismen that have a prostate there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 17, 2016, 01:20:29 am
Wow, that's some true blue stupidity right there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 19, 2016, 05:43:12 am
(http://i.imgur.com/0GPHWRw.jpg)

This keeps popping up on Imgur and every time the comments are full of people making fun of Transpeople . Also, claims that being trans is simply a type of insanity and "it should be treated not accepted" and so on...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 19, 2016, 11:40:22 am
(http://i.imgur.com/0GPHWRw.jpg)

This keeps popping up on Imgur and every time the comments are full of people making fun of Transpeople . Also, claims that being trans is simply a type of insanity and "it should be treated not accepted" and so on...

They are exactly right. IQ does not define intelligence, it's an imperfect measure, and semen definitely does not define who your child will be (there's, like, an entire other gamete involved? and environmental effects?).

Things are complicated, news at 11.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: I am lizard on June 19, 2016, 03:28:40 pm
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on June 19, 2016, 04:08:37 pm
Speaking as an asexual who only started feeling that he's gay this year: uuuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 20, 2016, 11:49:22 pm
So some right wing blogger is hopping mad because gay rights activists want to take away his guns.  (I haven't the faintest idea what recent event could have led them to that conclusion.)  But he has a brilliant plan to stop them:

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f these gays want to try and attack the rights of gun owners, all gun owners need to point out is that if they begin to feel hostile to gays, and begin to see gays as too emotional and illogical, they might begin to not believe the testimony of gays in trials.
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There are about 102 million gun owners out there (32% of all Americans), and all a defense attorney would need to do is find one to put on the jury of a man who beat a gay guy, stabbed a transgender, or murdered a transvestite. Did a transgender man use the girls locker room when a pee wee swim team was changing, and get beaten to a pulp? Don’t think the beater is going to get convicted on the word of the gay.

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If gays think guns should be banned, then the gay’s testimony is meaningless, and I would assume any evidence had been fabricated in an overemotional meltdown.

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The potential consequences against gays would admittedly be dangerous. Millions of people who want to commit crime might begin targeting gays specifically, knowing that they would be unlikely to be convicted, given how all it would take is one of the 102 million gun owners to land on their jury – and the lawyers of the perpetrator would undoubtedly be looking for gun owners to put on the jury.

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Gang members, who need to kill somebody as an initiation might seek out gays as victims, thinking they would be a free kill, and sadly there would be nothing I could do about that.

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Those prone to engage in violence against gays specifically because of homophobia might be emboldened, and gay attacks could increase precipitously, and obviously all of those gay attackers going free without any consequence would be unfortunate.

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However gays do not seem to consider our safety when contemplating their actions. They are all too happy to try and make us and our families less safe by preventing us from getting the guns we want to protect them. So the idea that gays would be less safe due to our realization that gays are too emotional and cannot be trusted, would not be of concern to me. I would have to vote my conscience – every time – and I suspect most other gun owners would as well.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on June 20, 2016, 11:54:08 pm
I think it's adorable that this motherfucker thinks he has enough power to convince millions of people to bash gays.

But not gonna lie, this kinda makes me want to take away his guns. And then shoot him somewhere painful with then.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 21, 2016, 01:39:02 am
This is not, precisely, on the Internet. But I found it there so I'm posting it here.

I was rereading the debates on same-sex marriage from the House of Commons back in 2005, and I found that a Conservative MP, Paul Forseth, in speaking against the proposed change, said:

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Conservatives will never impose what Canadians do not want.

https://openparliament.ca/debates/2005/3/21/paul-forseth-1/

I think my irony meter just broke.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2016, 05:10:16 pm
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2yo3jo0.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 02, 2016, 05:13:30 pm
No Honey just....no.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Delirium on July 04, 2016, 12:14:56 pm
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2yo3jo0.jpg)

This is an obvious Poe. That being said, anyone who defends North Korea. That being said, I am Lizard is 100% correct about NK.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 11, 2016, 12:40:48 am
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[Black Lives Matter] is a terrorist organization and if we had any other president would have already been classified as one.

EDIT: Same person, same thread:

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The only smoke here is in the black version of KKK, also put yourself in the officers shoe's. The issue is race, the issue is a criminal culture in the US. Fortunately the opinion of most folks in this thread matters not a single bit when it comes to resolution of this.

The whole Black Lives Matter movement was found on a series of lies and dishonesty. As such it has almost no credibility to any rational thinking person, who can get past the liberal mindset of race is king.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 11, 2016, 01:53:20 pm
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Agreed. One sin is just as bad as another. I have known women who are living and sleeping with their boyfriends while condemning people who are gay. Ridiculous.

So what, shoplifting and genocide are equally bad then?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 15, 2016, 04:40:41 pm
http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/06/zootopia-persecution-and-the-art-of-screenwriting/

I don't want to quote the whole thing, but it's some alt-right asshole "proving" the movie the anti-racist movie Zootopia is really pro-racist. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: fancy_kitten on July 15, 2016, 05:15:10 pm
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Agreed. One sin is just as bad as another. I have known women who are living and sleeping with their boyfriends while condemning people who are gay. Ridiculous.

So what, shoplifting and genocide are equally bad then?

As someone who's been down that rabbit hole, you don't want to know.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on July 15, 2016, 05:28:53 pm
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Agreed. One sin is just as bad as another. I have known women who are living and sleeping with their boyfriends while condemning people who are gay. Ridiculous.

So what, shoplifting and genocide are equally bad then?

As someone who's been down that rabbit hole, you don't want to know.

So when's your trial at the Hague?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: fancy_kitten on July 15, 2016, 09:09:44 pm
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Agreed. One sin is just as bad as another. I have known women who are living and sleeping with their boyfriends while condemning people who are gay. Ridiculous.

So what, shoplifting and genocide are equally bad then?

As someone who's been down that rabbit hole, you don't want to know.

So when's your trial at the Hague?

Tomorrow, bring your friends.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 22, 2016, 09:01:55 pm
On Charles Kinsey's shooting:

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All those other shooting phillano alton, well the other side of the story has came out and it shows the initial narratives to be complete and utter bullcrap. No one's arguing that this was in any way shape or form right. Odds are that once the legal investigation finishs it path, the officer involved will be let go. But we have laws for a reason, you and many others in this forum seem to want to forget that.

The short version is that the caretaker in this case was not the one be aimed for, being left to bleed out is hyperbole at best. Very few parts on the leg are serious wounds, and untrained treatment can complicate things tremendously. Based on the latter information he was likely hit by a ricochet rather then a direct shot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on July 23, 2016, 06:30:13 am
Ah yes, the laws that say it's illegal to have toy trucks or lie down on the street.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 23, 2016, 07:22:22 am
Hey, for all Officer Shooty McShootface knew, it could've been a toy truck bomb!  You know, the kind those scary mudslime turrists use to take out an entire toy chest!  Or, at least singe the hair of good, godfearin, white dolls.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 23, 2016, 04:17:50 pm
Actually, that was in response to a post I made linking to an article in which one bystander said that he'd approached an officer working crowd control at an incident to tell her that he'd seen with his binoculars that the object in question was a toy truck, not a gun. The officer refused to listen.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 23, 2016, 04:34:52 pm
The caretaker himself was screaming it was a toy truck for everyone to hear.

Ironbite-still got shot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 23, 2016, 04:47:02 pm
The caretaker himself was screaming it was a toy truck for everyone to hear.

Ironbite-still got shot.

By accident. The shooter was aiming for the autistic man.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 24, 2016, 11:27:07 pm
There is like 63% chance that this person is just a troll. I will not rate it higher because I don't want to believe that someone would spend years typing out crap like this simply because they want to PRETEND being an idiot.

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Yesterday I deleted a Lee Child book from my Kindle. It wasnt the first Lee Child book I threw away.

There's nuthin wrong with his writing, his books are interesting.

My problem is romance and amazons. I like when Jack Reacher fucks girls, I don't like when he brings them roses. I don't like five foot nuthin gals who can kick his 6 foot five ass. My 6 foot four daddy wasn't dum enough to mess with my five foot two mammy, but she knew better than to mess with him. The first time one of my sisters sunk her claws into me I cut her claws off. Homey don't play that game, bitch. I don't do flowers. My wife's birthday is coming up, she gets a fist fulla fifties and dinner wherever she wants. But no flowers. And I don't wanna read about sentimental numnutz who kiss girlie ass. I stipulate I invented misogynist asshole. Guilty as charged.

So what turns you off in a story?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 25, 2016, 03:54:13 pm
What....the fuck?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 26, 2016, 09:30:14 am
What....the fuck?
If this was about the quote I posted here's a few more words of "wisdom" from the same bloke:

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Lets all take the Jim Johnson BULLSHIT TEST.

True or False

1. If I wake up tomorrow black as coal it aint no problem.

2.If I wake up tomorrow queer as Bruce Jenner it aint a problem.

3. If I wake up tomorrow a cunt it aint a problem.


Not me! LC can have my queer and girl lives.

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As a larval psychologist I was trained by a gang of perfessers who demanded brutal honesty and plain speaking. At the end my public evaluation by these people was worse than anything you poor babies experience. To condense it, they said I passed but they sure hoped I was never their therapist. Bob got the worst of it. Bob passed all the coursework and none of the clinical requirements. He simply couldn't get on the same page with anyone, if you cried because your dog died, Bob didn't get it. The perfessers were merciless, and he didn't graduate. One perfesser said, I COULDNT LIVE WITH MYSELF IF I TURNED YOU LOOSE ON THE PUBLIC. It was painful to hear because they pulled no punches. Bob sued and lost.

The attitude of the department was GET OVER IT OR GET OUT. The goal was for you to grow a hard shell before going out into the world. Snowflakes not wanted. My first job had trouble with me telling staff and management to go fuck themselves. But the language is common at many places. The best supervisors I had spoke it fluently. GO FUCK YOURSELF should be an affirmation you tape to your refrigerator and see every morning. Start your day with LC, GO FUCK YOURSELF.

THATS SHIT covers most of the shoddy wares posted at LIT. WORD SALAD covers all of your poetry. In fact, I changed your account name to WITHOUT RHYME OR REASON. Bulls-eye.

(He claims to have worked at a mental ward or something. Previously I thought that he had been a nurse since he brags about beating up female patients.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 26, 2016, 03:34:10 pm
Pretty sure he lives in said mental ward.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 26, 2016, 04:18:32 pm
(http://i.cbc.ca/1.3694307.1469497210!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/lesbians-are-hot-pro-oilsands.jpg)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/lesbians-are-hot-facebook-apology-1.3695390
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 26, 2016, 05:37:18 pm
They make a good point, actually. America's biggest oil supplier are indeed a bunch of oppresive, totalitarian Islamic fundamentalist loons, and therefore buying elsewhere whenever possible should be very strongly encouraged.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 26, 2016, 05:57:04 pm
They make a good point, actually. America's biggest oil supplier are indeed a bunch of oppresive, totalitarian Islamic fundamentalist loons, and therefore buying elsewhere whenever possible should be very strongly encouraged.

...yes, but they could have made their point in a way that wouldn't have ticked people off the way that ad did.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 26, 2016, 06:07:54 pm
People get butthurt over it, that's their problem.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on July 26, 2016, 06:08:23 pm
They make a good point, actually. America's biggest oil supplier are indeed a bunch of oppresive, totalitarian Islamic fundamentalist loons, and therefore buying elsewhere whenever possible should be very strongly encouraged.

This was my first thought also. Then I noticed the gringeworthy objectification of lesbians and after reading the context from behind the link the ad became even more offputting: it is fighting the movement against the tar sand oil excavation. You know, the most toxic way to get oil.

Still, separate from this context I do approve the sentiment of putting economical pressure on the Saudi regime.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 26, 2016, 06:17:18 pm
Yeah the sediment is well and all but the message sucks hard.

Ironbite-like really  hard.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on July 26, 2016, 11:45:51 pm
Am I the only one who thinks it sounds like a South Park gag?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 02, 2016, 02:50:36 am
So if you've been following the conventions you probably heard the speech by the Khans, parents of a muslim american soldier who died in Iraq saving the rest of his unit.  Even if you weren't you probably heard Trump cruel attack on them that was low even for him.

But there is something even worse then Trump: Trump's supporters.  Two of them, Theodore and Walid Shoebat have started a conspiracy theory that the Khan family are actually members of the Muslim brotherhood.  Their Proof?  His father used the word sharia in some legal articles in the 80s and worked for a group helping Muslim immigrants.  This proves that Humayun Khan was actually a sleeper agent with a cunning plan to infiltrate the US military so he could... get killed by a suicide bomber saving other soldier's lives?  I what?

http://shoebat.com/2016/07/31/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-muslim-who-attacked-donald-trump-he-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent-who-wants-to-advance-sharia-law-and-bring-muslims-into-the-united-states/
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 02, 2016, 11:11:36 am
This is a Finnish text that is a guide to ethnic cleansing. https://sarastuslehti.com/2016/07/30/miten-etninen-puhdistus-toteutetaan/

I am not going to bother translating all of it since it is very long and disgusting, I am not sure if it already is a copy of a foreign text or if the two writers came up with it by themselves, but I wish to talk about the article...

First of all, the article is written with fancy sounding scientific and clinical words. They say"expulsive-exterminative ethnic cleansing" rather than genocide. They talk about "economic incentives," "'soft' doctrine" and start with "less extreme" methods of ethnic cleansing claiming that these are closer to European values of human rights and therefore preferable to genocide (though they never even use to word "kill" or "concentration camp" while talking about them.) In other words, this text has been written to appear clinical and distanced from the horrible reality that they try to defend genocide as a solution to Muslim immigration to Europe. This is the thing that disgusts me even more than their fantasies of genocide, they know how horrible their idea is and aren't able to use the real names for what they offer. They try to seem sophisticated and use scientific language as if that makes genocide less horrifying...

For a TL;DR version, they start by claiming as a fact that Muslims are taking over Europe and that this will end with them slaughtering the proper Europeans but they offer no evidence for these claims. Then having stated their "facts" they move on to explaining what ethnic cleansing means and offering step-by-step instructions for removing Muslims from Europe, either by turning them into second class citizens to make them not want to stay in Europe, violating UN and EU rulings on refugees to prevent more people from coming or removing them by force, genocide being the "final solution" if nothing else works. They also repeatedly claim that the longer it takes to start the ethnic cleansing the worse it will be and try to shift the guilt of these hypothetical acts onto those who have allowed Muslim refugees to enter Europe.

There is one particular bit that I will translate. The original:

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Käytännössä tuhoaminen tapahtuu kemiallisesti ja muodostuva biojäte hävitetään asianmukaisesti prosessoimalla joko krematorioissa tai biologisesti mädättämö-kompostointilaitoksissa. Sivutuotteena muodostuu tällöin joko energiaa tai biokaasua; kiinteät aineet prosessoidaan esim. maanparannusaineeksi tai maatalouden alkutuotannon lannoitetarpeisiin.

In English:
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In practice the destruction will occur chemically and the resulting organic waste will be disposed of appropriately by processing, either in crematorium or biologically in a putrefication-compost facility. The byproduct will then be either energy or biogas, solid matter will be processed for example as dressing or for agricultural needs as fertilizer.

...

...That was their description of mass murder. The murder of men, women, children, entire families and nations. That is how they describe killing thousands of people and using their bodies to make biogas and then using the remains to fertilize tomatoes or something.

Somehow this is even more discussing than if they were openly fantasizing about gassing children to death. It's so... Clinical and industrialized, they try to remove all emotions out of mass murder and think that it makes it more acceptable.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on August 02, 2016, 05:31:39 pm
Essentially, its the Heydrich of the group writing it - he would have been just as thorough and clinical if he was tasked with eliminating tennis players as he would if he was tasked to eliminate Muslims or Jews. The specifics of who is being exterminated do not matter - all that matters is getting it done as quickly, efficiently and mercilessly as possible. He doesn't care about anyone's lives.

I imagine he doesn't particularly care for other members of the Finnish Nationalist Groups, because they're not as smart as he is. Heydrich himself utterly despised most other Nazis.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on August 02, 2016, 05:55:17 pm
I read a post on the same site few months ago that was refreshingly self-aware. The writer admitted that the Islamic extremism and his own ideology are two sides of the same coin and if he was born in the Middle East he would probably end up wearing a bomb vest. He just thought that everyone needs to stand up for their own group and if it means bloodshed so be it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 03, 2016, 03:37:39 am
Trolls banned for cheating on Overwatch lose all of the shit. (http://imgur.com/a/ZzSGi)

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Sadly .... i am banned ...
these mortals have angered me for the last time ... blizzard will feel my wrath

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We are at war ..
War with Blizzard Every day they persecute us for our beliefs.
We have done nothing wrong, we are merely using our code to make certain colors on the screen get altered. There's no harm in that.
What's important is that the banned users are not victims. but (REDACTED) is.
Every day this site has to deal with Blizzard trolling us to death with their banhammers
If you want to our cause, you have to buy some CoreCoins.
If we get enough users buying CoreCoins, this site will grow and we will be able to hire agents wrth thos that can help us protect us.
Maybe on a court battle eventually.
My people donl have to take any persecution any longer. we must stop this great evil called Bhzzard
For a better future!
Invest on CoreCoins!

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I got banned too, wtf. blizzard you're really gonna punish people who paid you MONEY for this game????

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Blizzard you made a powerful enemy .
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
do you hav e a skype? how do i join anonymus

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can i sue blizzard for this unfair ban

Delicious salty salt.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on August 06, 2016, 06:29:04 pm
Some context would be nice. I have no idea why that statement is bad, whether it's serious or a joke, what it's about, or who's saying it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 06, 2016, 11:14:13 pm
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Why have a boyfriend when you can have a girlfriend?

So women should become lesbians then?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on August 07, 2016, 12:06:08 pm
Dammit! Pat Robertson said this would happen.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 07, 2016, 09:57:09 pm
When I pointed out Politifact's Truth-O-Meter ratings for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump:

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So basically you are saying [Hillary Clinton] is a politician who knows how to lie without lying. And [Donald Trump] is more of an average joe, inclined to examples of hyperbole to prove his point aka sterotypical [sic] american.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on August 08, 2016, 12:33:36 am
When I pointed out Politifact's Truth-O-Meter ratings for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump:

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So basically you are saying [Hillary Clinton] is a politician who knows how to lie without lying. And [Donald Trump] is more of an average joe, inclined to examples of hyperbole to prove his point aka sterotypical [sic] american.

...that is not how lying, hyperbole, politicians or average joes work...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 08, 2016, 12:39:20 am
When I pointed out Politifact's Truth-O-Meter ratings for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump:

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So basically you are saying [Hillary Clinton] is a politician who knows how to lie without lying. And [Donald Trump] is more of an average joe, inclined to examples of hyperbole to prove his point aka sterotypical [sic] american.

...that is not how lying, hyperbole, politicians or average joes work...

This is a guy who cites Infowars as a legitimate source.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 08, 2016, 01:57:35 am
At least he didn't claim that Politifact is shilling for Hillary or something.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 08, 2016, 06:07:49 am
When I pointed out Politifact's Truth-O-Meter ratings for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump:

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So basically you are saying [Hillary Clinton] is a politician who knows how to lie without lying. And [Donald Trump] is more of an average joe, inclined to examples of hyperbole to prove his point aka sterotypical [sic] american.

...that is not how lying, hyperbole, politicians or average joes work...

This is a guy who cites Infowars as a legitimate source.
Average Joe believes in average Jewish space lizards using HAARP to command your soul.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 10, 2016, 12:55:31 am
Usually when people find out that they've been fooled by a fake news article they try to come up with an explanation for their mistake. This guy though is special.

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/26da67e1611cbc870206ac5a306929c1/tumblr_o9cz1ouEMt1qkt6yoo1_1280.png)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 10, 2016, 08:20:15 am
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The GOP likes to play THE GOOD NIGGERS Democrats can invite to parties.

 During the Revolution most of the Continental Congress played Good Niggers, and got immunity from the British to spend the winters in places like Philadelphia. Washington and the boys froze/starved at Valley Forge while the Congress quarreled over accommodations and carriages. Revolution memoirs don't flatter the pols, officers, or darkies. Peter Horry said blacks were better than roadsigns when the Brits went looking for Patriots. The Brits took the best blacks North, gave them white widows, and used them to spy.

 But Washington won because he was a rock
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on August 10, 2016, 06:58:44 pm
.....what?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 25, 2016, 01:10:17 am
Rush Limbaugh would like to warn all Real Americans that the scary Lesbians are coming for your farms!

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Have you heard the latest Democrat scam? Have you heard about the agriculture department's financial grants to lesbian farmers? You think I'm making this up? See, this is how they do it. All right. I hadn't intended to get into this right off the bat. Let me find it here in the Stack because it's something that's happening. It's actually real, and there is a strategic reason for it. Here it is. Are you ready for this? It's two pages. Let me pull 'em out here. It is from the Washington Free Beacon. That's the website.

Headline: "Feds Holding Summits for Lesbian Farmers -- USDA wants to change image of farmers from 'white, rich male.' The US Department of Agriculture is holding summits to promote the role of lesbian farmers as a part of its 'Rural Pride' campaign. The agency is working with singer and LGBT activist Cyndi Lauper for a 'day of conversation' about the struggles of gay and transgender individuals in rural America. [USDA] says its wants to change the perception of what it means to be a farmer in America away from the 'white, rich male.'"

Now, I understand farmers are not "rich." This is part of the disinformation campaign. "Rich, white male" is how the left describes pretty much any constituency group that they're opposed to. What the point of this is, folks... It's not about lesbian farmers. What they're trying to do is convince lesbians to become farmers.

You sit in there and laugh. Okay, go ahead and laugh at it, but I'm telling you what they're doing. They are trying to bust up one of the last geographically conservative regions in the country; that's rural America.

Rural America happens to be largely conservative. Rural America is made up of self-reliant, rugged individualist types. They happen to be big believers in the Second Amendment. So here comes the Obama Regime with a bunch of federal money and they're waving it around, and all you gotta do to get it is be a lesbian and want to be a farmer and they'll set you up. I'm like you; I never before in my life knew that lesbians wanted to be farmers.

I never knew that lesbians wanted to get behind the horse and the plow and start burrowing. I never knew it. But apparently enough money can make it happen, and the objective here is to attack rural states. They're already attacking suburbs, and that has been made perfectly clear by what happened in Milwaukee. They're going after every geographic region that is known to be largely conservative. They never stop, folks. They are constantly on the march.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 25, 2016, 01:52:45 am
I am 98% certain that this comic has been posted on the forum before, but I was looking for it to link it again and discovered the Knowyourmeme comments on it. ...The lack of self awareness is painful.

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/855096-tumblr
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on August 25, 2016, 12:27:11 pm
Oh look it's GooblyGook in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 16, 2016, 01:50:28 am
Let's change that a bit:

"If your OTP isn't Aryan, imagine both of them being sent to Auschwitz by the Nazis. There they fall in love, but can it survive? Can they?"

There, perhaps that will help them understand.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 16, 2016, 07:19:35 pm
Let's change that a bit:

"If your OTP isn't Aryan, imagine both of them being sent to Auschwitz by the Nazis. There they fall in love, but can it survive? Can they?"

There, perhaps that will help them understand.

...it really doesn't?

I don't think the only reason people could want to write 'gay couple in conversion therapy' stories is because yaoi fangirls jerk it to child abuse, for one. But even if that was true...

Let people jerk it to stories of child abuse if they want. Let people jerk it to stories genocide and rape and murder and whatever gets them off. Who even cares. Fiction is made up, it doesn't real, actual people are not getting hurt.

Yes, people are often bothered by other people's taste in fiction, especially if they think they are aroused by it. Sucks. "People are no longer allowed to write stories about this" is not a reasonable response.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 17, 2016, 02:37:11 am
I'm not saying that no one should be allowed to write such fiction, it just seems like they don't understand how traumatic the experience is to the kids who get sent to the camp and at the very least they should acknowledge this when they write their fapfiction.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Canadian Mojo on September 17, 2016, 11:26:41 am
Look at how light-hearted most war stories are. A pile of bodies later and the good guys win. No moral ambiguity, no post traumatic stress disorder, no lasting repercussions from injuries, no mention of the widows, orphans, childless parents, and general mayhem left in the hero's wake.

The truth of the matter is that you can go grim dark for any topic. By in large, that just is not what people want. You're only noticing it because this topic is important to you. I'm not saying it isn't an important topic, but the way things work either we all speak or none of us do.

Fortunately that right to speak freely mean that we can call these people a bunch of tasteless fucking retards.   ;)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2016, 08:17:23 pm

These people are taking the issue of the ongoing abuse of gay people (mind you it was even brought up in a serious manner) and making it into a joke to giggle at.

that does not seem evident from the link you posted?

I don't think they are laughing at the general societal situation of conversion therapy existing. The one person who said anything about laughing was bringing up the point of specific characters being sent to conversion therapy, which is an entirely different thing.

Laughing at fiction is not laughing at reality. People make silly cartoons where cute animals behead each other, and laughing at that does not imply you think murder is ok. I dislike the idea that if an issue is Serious Enough, then you're somehow doing something wrong by joking about it, or engaging with it in any specific way via fiction. (there are time/place/audience points to take into account, yes. but i don't think that's the issue here)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 19, 2016, 08:42:18 pm
Yeah, damn all of those heterosexual asexuals, the paradoxical bastards.

As least, I assume that's what that means. I'm not quite fluent in Tumblrina.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on September 20, 2016, 12:56:51 am
They later edited the post apologizing for the antisemitism (concentration camp mention), but said that "they would never apologize for being angry at their oppressors".  Also apparently they're 13. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 21, 2016, 05:56:12 pm
Yeah, damn all of those heterosexual asexuals, the paradoxical bastards.

As least, I assume that's what that means. I'm not quite fluent in Tumblrina.

Usually the het in het-ace (or cishet ace) means heteroromantic
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 22, 2016, 01:46:05 am
The Cuban national volley ball team played against Finland a while ago and while they were here five members of the Cuban team raped a woman. They have just been sentenced to jail and one of my city's councillors shared his thoughts about the case in twitter. The context is that the victim met one of the Cubans in a night club and went with him to his hotel room where they had consensual sex. Later in the night she was gang raped by five of them.

Quote from: Jorma Uski's tweet
The "victim" went voluntarily to the rapists' hotel room in the middle of the night. After having a cigarette break together. #languagebarrier?

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Uski explains to Ilta-Sanomat that the original intent of his tweet was to wonder why the victim left with a stranger and to the hotel room in the middle of the night.

- I don't know if the question was posed in the court but it should have. I think she has victimized herself, Uski says and tells he would make the exact same tweet again.

Uski tells he vehemently opposes the mentality of consumer having no responsibility.

- If in America someone cuts himself with a knife the manufacturer gets sued if they haven't explicitly warned that the product may damage you.

With "consumer" he says he refers to the woman who was raped in Tampere.

The True Finns have real quality politicians on the local level.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on September 22, 2016, 09:36:12 am
...............oh good political stupidy isn't just here in the States.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 24, 2016, 02:38:29 pm
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Yeah, but cops have to deal with the public and are SUPPOSED to SERVE AND PROTECT. Military is just supposed to protect and remove the threat. They def are dealing with more situations involving threats, but they have six steps they have to follow before they even pull out their weapons with the intent to shoot. These cops already have their guns out before they even get out of the vehicle.

Bud,

Show me a solid source of where the cops have their guns out prior to leaving in the car. Particularly where the suspect doesn't have a gun out already. Your statement sounds like a load of hyperbole, cops will have guns out immediately if the suspect is reported to have a gun if not they won't. They do serve and protect, but they are under no obligation to commit suicide by following the type of protocol you seem to desire.

EDIT: I should note that the first post was in reply to another post, but that post was not made by the author of the second post.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on September 25, 2016, 12:01:04 am
Let's change that a bit:

"If your OTP isn't Aryan, imagine both of them being sent to Auschwitz by the Nazis. There they fall in love, but can it survive? Can they?"

There, perhaps that will help them understand.

That's more or less the romantic comedy Life is Beautiful.  It won three Academy Awards.

There's also a song about the holocaust that is seen by many as very sexy, although I think most of the people who have sex to it don't know that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEVow6kr5nI
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 30, 2016, 11:21:55 am
A Finnish business owner posted this on his store's Facebook page:

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This tolerating everything and grovelling is becoming such nervewracking crap that I have to declare a bit.

I don't preach much about my opinions here in the FB of my business but now I open up enough to say that we LEATHER HEAVEN are a HETERO FRIENDLY store.

-Timppa-

Uh... You have a store called Leather Heaven and decide to insult the gay community. The business sense you show is astonishing.

He also apparently responds to a deleted comment:

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No. But in general, now when somebody decided to send a rainbow flag into the space. I thought that no rainbows are growing in our corners.

The comments are largely hilarious with people asking things like if they are still welcome to the store since they don't live in the same town as the owner or don't support the same ice hockey club as he.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 30, 2016, 11:41:02 am
The comments about that have been funny. And the store owner also misspelled his original statement. The words for hetero and friendly should have been combined to a single word instead of being two separate words. ...he wrote that his store is a "friendly heterosexual" rather than "hetero-friendly."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheUnknown on October 01, 2016, 02:21:59 pm
The people in the link below are talking about what the not-good thing is, not actually doing it. 

http://spooky-keith-kogane.tumblr.com/post/151154598124/peanutbutterpidge-remade-donutdog7-all (http://spooky-keith-kogane.tumblr.com/post/151154598124/peanutbutterpidge-remade-donutdog7-all)

TL;DR  Allegedly, anti-shippers sent shippers of a "problematic ship" actual RL child porn anonymously.

I say "allegedly" because, being anonymous, it may have just been the worst kind of troll, and they don't say whether there was any message accompanying the porn.  For all we know, they could be making the whole thing up, but if this is real, holy shit.

I think I'm a bit more inclined to believe this actually happened since I've seen it happen before.  Several years ago, someone came to Skaianet (a Homestuck imageboard site) and submitted actual cp.  I was on the site when it happened. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 05, 2016, 06:14:24 am
I don't even want to link the stuff here but I found a blog from a Troll... He is a guy who posts screencaps of his 4Chan trolling (because it's no good if the evidence of the times he got someone's attention disappear) and brags about getting banned from 4Chan for typing violent rape fantasies. He does one post describing how he likes to join new RPG campaigns and make his character have some vital role in the party ...and then not come to the games. He particularly bragged that sometimes he can make the GM reschedule a session twice because of the troll complaining that he can't come on some particular day before the others realize that he was just trolling them. ...And then in his next screencap he is crying and complaining about people who miss sessions and goes on a long rant where he says that any guy who gets a child should be removed from the RPG group (and all contact with him stopped) as well as ranting about the evils of feminism.

...In other words, 99% of the stuff he writes is contradictory bullshit that is only intended to get replies and make people angry. There was one incident where a guy wrote about the death of his wife and the troll came in begging for a photo of her because he "likes to masturbate while looking at pictures of women who died violently or painfully."

In fact, the rape/murder fantasies that he writes seem to be the only consistency in his ranting.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on October 05, 2016, 12:38:39 pm
I don't even want to link the stuff here but I found a blog from a Troll... He is a guy who posts screencaps of his 4Chan trolling (because it's no good if the evidence of the times he got someone's attention disappear) and brags about getting banned from 4Chan for typing violent rape fantasies. He does one post describing how he likes to join new RPG campaigns and make his character have some vital role in the party ...and then not come to the games. He particularly bragged that sometimes he can make the GM reschedule a session twice because of the troll complaining that he can't come on some particular day before the others realize that he was just trolling them. ...And then in his next screencap he is crying and complaining about people who miss sessions and goes on a long rant where he says that any guy who gets a child should be removed from the RPG group (and all contact with him stopped) as well as ranting about the evils of feminism.

...In other words, 99% of the stuff he writes is contradictory bullshit that is only intended to get replies and make people angry. There was one incident where a guy wrote about the death of his wife and the troll came in begging for a photo of her because he "likes to masturbate while looking at pictures of women who died violently or painfully."

In fact, the rape/murder fantasies that he writes seem to be the only consistency in his ranting.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/685/593/398.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 05, 2016, 12:55:16 pm
Not even that, there's no real conviction begin his statements, just trolling for attention using whatever he thinks might make his audience angry or disgusted.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on October 06, 2016, 11:58:40 am
An insightful and rational analysis by Alex Jones about the current election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncpzkxl_Rs
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on October 25, 2016, 11:21:09 am
The "my black friend says it's okay for white people to say the n-word" hydra sprouts yet another insidious head.

...oh who the fuck am I kidding the head's probably always been there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 20, 2016, 10:50:54 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/23tjq1k.jpg)

There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about Europe's demographic decline, but calling it "white genocide" is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on November 21, 2016, 09:12:12 am
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Unless climate changes & evolves, it will disprove the theory of evolution. Climate IS change. The more climate changes the more it stays the same. Change is climate's green fuel. Change completes climate. Without change, climate is incomplete. Climate can't change since acc to Socialism, under Capitalism, Man Change is real. Man who doesn't exist can't be the cause of anything. Don't deny climate access to hope & change. Don't anthropomorphize climate. Scientists discovered antidote for "Climate Change". They called it- Placebo. Other scientists are entitled to their religious believes in "Climate Change". it's not that climate is changing, it's that you Leftists are static. Take a pill & move. Take money out of "Climate Change" "science". CNN pundits don't even know what climate is. Unless climate changes, it will die as the least fit. Climate is a relation of present set of weather patterns to present situation on the earth, NOT to past set of weather patterns. Fake News, told us, 97% chance Trump will lose. now, 97% chance that there exist "climate change". FYI, "climate change" not only doesn't exist, it cannot exist. It's a contradiction in terms. Smoke & society, O2 & CO2 can co-exist coequally. Don't deport change. Trump your xenophobia. Climate is not a balloon that will explode if "too much bad gas" flies into it. Climate is a self-regulating input-output system, just like US borders. Now don't be a bigot and allow climate to change. Don't be progressively leftarded. Join The Progressive Right
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 21, 2016, 09:14:43 am
Pure, distilled word salad.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 22, 2016, 07:59:26 pm
Troll.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 22, 2016, 11:40:08 pm
I fed it through an actual word salad generator. (http://christophercormier.com/Computer/ParagraphRandomizer.aspx)

Observe.

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But is it art?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on November 23, 2016, 04:13:49 am
Troll.

That was my first thought. Then I assumed that a troll would try to make actual sensible arguments to get a reaction instead of confusing people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on November 24, 2016, 10:20:09 pm
Apparently in some Finnish feminist FB group there is a thread for racialized members where the non-racialized members aren't allowed to post. A prominent MRA posted a screencap about the discussion. A friend commented on this image and the discussion about the screencap appeared on my wall.

Bwaaa. Racism against whites. Intersectionality equals racism. Bwaaaaaaaa. I've kicked racist skinheads' asses and that's just as racist as them. Bwaaaaaaaaaa.

Edit: I couldn't resist commenting on the discussion. The answer was pretty much: "Well, they could at least make a group of their own instead of teasing the white members with a thread they can't participate in." If I was more confrontational and had energy for a heated debate I would have pointed out the privileged arrogance shining through in the otherwise friendly answer.

Edit: Another fried commented on the same screencap in a different discussion and the answers he is getting after explaining the issue with much more patience that I have are precious. "Law says discrimination is illegal and that's why there is no discrimination in Finland against non-whites. This is illegal discrimination and could be reported to police."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on November 26, 2016, 07:02:26 am
https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/

(https://www.gspellchecker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image-30.png)

(https://www.gspellchecker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image-40.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 26, 2016, 09:03:15 am
https://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/02/whats-being-said-about-atheists-in-arabic/

(https://www.gspellchecker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image-30.png)

(https://www.gspellchecker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image-40.png)
This one was the most mental

(https://www.gspellchecker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image_thumb-43.png)

IF U NO BELIEVE FAIRYSTORY I BEAT U 2 DEATH WITH YOUR TOEJAMS!!!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 26, 2016, 09:21:16 am
Savagery, one of the few things that cross any and all human boundaries.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on November 26, 2016, 09:40:23 am
That shoe thing is cultural: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/3776970/Arab-culture-the-insult-of-the-shoe.html
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 26, 2016, 12:09:12 pm
I'd ask these people how my atheism is harmful to them, but I don't think it would accomplish anything. Besides, I don't know Arabic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on November 26, 2016, 03:17:15 pm
You're also a woman and that's also something that counts against you.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on November 26, 2016, 08:48:49 pm
I'd ask these people how my atheism is harmful to them, but I don't think it would accomplish anything. Besides, I don't know Arabic.

It reminds them that there are people who get along just fine without having to accept make-believe stories as reality.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 05, 2016, 03:22:45 pm
(https://i.reddituploads.com/6490ec43d8a947978d0ced8c9b774453?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=d8bf8ec26c4712f7230ed12c170045de)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on December 05, 2016, 04:00:37 pm
*faceclaws*
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on December 05, 2016, 05:37:17 pm
So what mixture of racial heritages do I have to be to learn English?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 05, 2016, 06:34:19 pm
(https://i.reddituploads.com/6490ec43d8a947978d0ced8c9b774453?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=d8bf8ec26c4712f7230ed12c170045de)

This sort of thing really annoys me. Learning a second language was the most opportunity-enhancing thing I ever did, and it sure doesn't look like native English speakers are worse for it...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 05, 2016, 06:52:26 pm
So what mixture of racial heritages do I have to be to learn English?
English, but only if your not so distant ancestors are French, Norse and Saxon, with just a dash of Celtic and the tiniest smidgen of Roman.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 08, 2016, 02:46:56 pm
So what mixture of racial heritages do I have to be to learn English?
English, but only if your not so distant ancestors are French, Norse and Saxon, with just a dash of Celtic and the tiniest smidgen of Roman.

And that's assuming you're not using loanwords.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 17, 2016, 10:34:29 am
http://www.returnofkings.com/19589/why-you-should-beat-your-kids (http://www.returnofkings.com/19589/why-you-should-beat-your-kids)

As if RoK's hatred of women wasn't bad enough...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 17, 2016, 06:20:31 pm
It's apparently been deleted.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 17, 2016, 07:35:59 pm
It's apparently been deleted.

Here's an archive (https://archive.is/WM8b5).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 17, 2016, 08:30:07 pm
The first few comments.  When even people on Return of fucking Kings think you're full of shit, you're a special kind of idiot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on December 17, 2016, 11:49:36 pm
I'll just say if my parents treated me like how that guy was describing, I'd wait. Grow older a bit. Wait a little until they went to bed and were soundly asleep. Then I'd take a knife and...does anyone really need to know the rest of this story?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on December 19, 2016, 09:33:52 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/truck-crash-berlin-christmas-market-1.3903677

A truck crashed into a Christmas market in Berlin, killing at least twelve. As of about four hours ago, nothing was known about the identity of the driver. (I haven't looked too closely to see what else has been determined in that regard, and quotes should be taken in the context of having been made more than three hours before this post.) That didn't stop a Trump supporter from posting this (images hidden because large):

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So I took issue with that blatant leap, and said:

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I see nothing in that article (or in this one (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/truck-crash-berlin-christmas-market-1.3903677), or this one (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38373867)) to say that it was a Muslim who committed this atrocity, assuming that it was indeed deliberate (though eyewitnesses claim that it was). Even if the driver of the truck was a Muslim, that doesn't mean he attacked in the name of Islam or was affiliated with any particular terrorist group. He could just have been unhinged, like the shooter who murdered 49 people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando*.

*Yes, the shooter claimed allegiance to various groups, but those groups disclaimed him and the general agreement among law enforcement was that he fit the profile of a mass shooter, not a religious terrorist.

And instead of posting any sort of rebuttal to this, he just posts another large image:

(click to show/hide)

Then I said:

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For fuck's sake, I didn't say it wasn't. I'm just not jumping to conclusions based on no evidence.

Crickets from the other person, but I'm wondering just how stupid his next response will be.

(Also, given what's happened in Europe over the last year or two, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was a terrorist attack and the driver was affiliated with some sort of Islamic terrorist group. I just don't see any evidence to that effect as yet.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: TheContrarian on December 20, 2016, 02:38:35 am
Well, Looks like the initial call of terrorist was accurate (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38375555)

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They have detained the driver, who security sources reportedly say is an Afghan or Pakistani asylum seeker.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 29, 2016, 05:17:21 pm
Gah.

(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2016/12/pedomeme6.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 29, 2016, 05:29:25 pm
Gah.

(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2016/12/pedomeme6.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/SwfNTmx.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 29, 2016, 05:54:51 pm
Why did it have to be my hometown...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 29, 2016, 08:01:12 pm
I found it on Pharyngula (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/12/29/spokane-washingtons-most-single-man/#more-33150), his "thinking" seems to be that young ladies, including teenagers should lust after him because older dudes have "longer telomeres", make of that what you will.

He manages to ruin bacon, on the internet. Observe.

(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2016/12/pedomeme5.jpg)

(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2016/12/pedomeme2.jpg)

(click to show/hide)

And here's the very fella who wants to cover jailbait with his "superior, longer telomeres",

(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/2016/12/lucaswerner.jpg)

Ladies!!!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on December 29, 2016, 10:23:44 pm
...So I think I've become even more disgusted with sex than I already was, yep this dude has made my already pretty high dislike of sex even higher. Congrats.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 29, 2016, 11:14:13 pm
It's the pictures of food he uses as backgrounds that really sells it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on December 30, 2016, 12:42:22 am
Nobody wants to have sex with you for a reason you miserable, ugly old fart.

Just when you think the incels cannot get worse you get this guy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2016, 08:48:46 am
Except, this guy's a complete retard that can't even look shit up on Wikipedia, or he'd know that telomerase and telomere length are no indication of even how old one happens to be.  All telomerase does is basically refresh cells so they can divide past the Hayflick limit and survive longer...and too much of it can give you fucking cancer.

But, yeah, I'm going to believe some shut-in over actual doctors and biologists.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 31, 2016, 11:33:44 am
http://theurbantwist.com/2016/12/30/lost-another-one-serena-hottentot-williams-engaged-hes-white/ (http://theurbantwist.com/2016/12/30/lost-another-one-serena-hottentot-williams-engaged-hes-white/)

Okay, before you click that link, who do you think wrote the article: a Stormfreak or an SJW?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on December 31, 2016, 11:36:02 am
At a guess from the link (not knowing anything about The Urban Twist)... Stormfreak.

EDIT:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 31, 2016, 12:15:01 pm
Based on the wording of the title/link I would say SJW. The shocking twist in the title seems to be that her husband is white and a white nationalist who is angry at a race traitor would put more focus on the white person rather than the non-white.

Unfortunately(?) my computer doesn't seem to be able to open the link.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 03, 2017, 02:06:31 am
More from that Spokane nut

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Christian girls are like Hitler.  Atheist girls are like Hitler.  Religious girls are like Hitler.  Spiritual girls are like Hitler.  Girls who believe are like Hitler.  Women are like Hitler.  Fuck you, uncle Adolph.

Say what you will about MGTOW, but at least their bullshit makes sense in theory.  Women are horrible so we stay away from them.  But these incels... if all women are Hitler level evil, WHY DO YOU WANT TO DATE THEM?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on January 03, 2017, 02:27:48 am
Cause to them the fact that women don't want to touch their limp dicks makes them angry, they believe that since they are the "Alphas" of the world they are entitled to sex with women, instead of the despicable "Betas"  (just typing this crap makes me annoyed.) So when women don't fuck them they are evil witches, and when women fuck men other than them they are sluts. I hate incels, them along with neck beards ruined fedoras!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on January 03, 2017, 04:18:00 am
More from that Spokane nut

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Christian girls are like Hitler.  Atheist girls are like Hitler.  Religious girls are like Hitler.  Spiritual girls are like Hitler.  Girls who believe are like Hitler.  Women are like Hitler.  Fuck you, uncle Adolph.

Say what you will about MGTOW, but at least their bullshit makes sense in theory.  Women are horrible so we stay away from them.  But these incels... if all women are Hitler level evil, WHY DO YOU WANT TO DATE THEM?

Because for them, they mean Fuck Hitler literally.

^ Also yeah - somehow a girl is a whore for not sleeping with them.

Lets not get into their vaguely homoerotic fantasies about some dude named Chad. One of them quoted talked about Chad's "manly muscles" and "perfect jawline".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 03, 2017, 04:53:57 am
Hey, don't knock Chad. He's a fucking dreamboat.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on January 03, 2017, 10:43:35 am
More from that Spokane nut

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Christian girls are like Hitler.  Atheist girls are like Hitler.  Religious girls are like Hitler.  Spiritual girls are like Hitler.  Girls who believe are like Hitler.  Women are like Hitler.  Fuck you, uncle Adolph.

Say what you will about MGTOW, but at least their bullshit makes sense in theory.  Women are horrible so we stay away from them.  But these incels... if all women are Hitler level evil, WHY DO YOU WANT TO DATE THEM?

Because for them, they mean Fuck Hitler literally.

^ Also yeah - somehow a girl is a whore for not sleeping with them.

Lets not get into their vaguely homoerotic fantasies about some dude named Chad. One of them quoted talked about Chad's "manly muscles" and "perfect jawline".

Leave Chad Sexington out of this, the fuck did he ever do to you?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 03, 2017, 06:42:35 pm
Chad Sexington stoled all the girlies. Damn you Chad!!!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on January 04, 2017, 12:30:37 am
Incel: Chad stole all the girls I wanted. Him with his macho muscles, perfect jawline, abs for days, charming smile...

Regular Person / "Normie": ...You really seem more into Chad...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 04, 2017, 10:06:04 am
Riley Freeman: "Ew.  Nigga, you gay."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 04, 2017, 12:05:47 pm
I'm just reminded of some stand up comedian saying "So many religious homophobes have turned out to be gay that I am actually scared of secretly being a giant spider."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 09, 2017, 01:40:30 pm
Guess what Time magazine is blaming for the torture video?

http://time.com/4626743/chicago-torture-video/?xid=homepage (http://time.com/4626743/chicago-torture-video/?xid=homepage)

Before you click that link, make your best guess.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 09, 2017, 02:01:21 pm
From a hardcore Trump supporter:

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You people are completely subverted, immunized against facts and reality. I don't know why I ever bother trying to debate or reason with you people.

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/430/877/271.gif)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 09, 2017, 04:17:17 pm
I don't agree with the conclusion that the "real menaces" in that story is a society that doesn't care about the mentally ill. Nope, checked.the vid. It was definitely four arseholes tormenting him.

That said, it's absolutely true that mental illness becomes a convenient political football that's tossed aside when it's usefulness in making a moral point expires.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 09, 2017, 06:16:44 pm
From a hardcore Trump supporter:

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You people are completely subverted, immunized against facts and reality. I don't know why I ever bother trying to debate or reason with you people.

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/430/877/271.gif)

You mean like the fact that illegal immigration is at its lowest in decades (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/mar/17/barack-obama/barack-obama-austin-says-illegal-immigration-40-ye/)?

Oh wait, by "facts and reality", you mean the Donald's claims.

I don't agree with the conclusion that the "real menaces" in that story is a society that doesn't care about the mentally ill. Nope, checked.the vid. It was definitely four arseholes tormenting him.

That said, it's absolutely true that mental illness becomes a convenient political football that's tossed aside when it's usefulness in making a moral point expires.

That's not all. The author also blamed movies and video games. I guess the Nice and Berlin attacks were caused by Euro Truck Simulator.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 09, 2017, 06:21:22 pm
From a hardcore Trump supporter:

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You people are completely subverted, immunized against facts and reality. I don't know why I ever bother trying to debate or reason with you people.

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/430/877/271.gif)

You mean like the fact that illegal immigration is at its lowest in decades (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/mar/17/barack-obama/barack-obama-austin-says-illegal-immigration-40-ye/)?

Oh wait, by "facts and reality", you mean the Donald's claims.

It's funny enough in any context coming from a Trump supporter, but it's in reference to people calling him out for citing these two videos as credible sources on Islam:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bc5f9_YoFk

Prefaced with this:

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(http://i.imgur.com/eQo2f4R.jpg)

The ignorance in this thread about the history of Islam and the fall of the Classical world is appalling, though not surprising given liberal academia's refusal to teach real history. Watch these two videos and educate yourselves on the TRUE NATURE of Islam.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 09, 2017, 07:05:11 pm

(http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2017/01/acarepeal.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 09, 2017, 07:23:28 pm
And from the other side of the aisle...
(http://i.imgur.com/OsiuQQX.jpg)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 09, 2017, 07:58:57 pm
It seems like Black Lives Matter is suffering from the same problems as GamerGate, in that you one group that genuinely cares about the issue at hand, and another group of simple bigots using the former as a smokescreen.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 09, 2017, 08:04:14 pm
It seems like Black Lives Matter is suffering from the same problems as GamerGate, in that you one group that genuinely cares about the issue at hand, and another group of simple bigots using the former as a smokescreen.

Except that for BLM, the claimed issue really is a problem, while for GG it was a farce.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 09, 2017, 08:14:01 pm
It seems like Black Lives Matter is suffering from the same problems as GamerGate, in that you one group that genuinely cares about the issue at hand, and another group of simple bigots using the former as a smokescreen.

Except that for BLM, the claimed issue really is a problem, while for GG it was a farce.

I know.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on January 09, 2017, 10:53:09 pm
This kind of reminds me of something a villain of mine said, basically in a case of real life writing the plot of a story.

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Lord Eclipse: You know, I previously had quite a hard time selling social darwinism to the left. The right gobbled it up, because in their infantile view point, that "apex survivor" is white, regardless how much I try to stress that all of their infirm and unworthy will be purged as well. The left perplexed me...but now, I've found a way to bring everyone into my tent, so to speak. Now, they feel cheated, like they, the rightful, powerful victor, was cheated by the weak, the worthless, the stupid...and that, that is a mindset that led those youths from Chicago to ME. Justice is a fine word, but when angry enough, its meaning becomes...whatever you feel like it is.

In terms of what's gone on there, its proof that when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes right back into you.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 10, 2017, 10:02:41 am
Guess what Time magazine is blaming for the torture video?

http://time.com/4626743/chicago-torture-video/?xid=homepage (http://time.com/4626743/chicago-torture-video/?xid=homepage)

Before you click that link, make your best guess.

...Everything? That was difficult to read and it didn't make much sense. Just a random list of things that the writer didn't like and insinuation that they are the reason for this attack but no actual evidence or logic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on January 11, 2017, 03:55:46 pm
Guess what Time magazine is blaming for the torture video?

http://time.com/4626743/chicago-torture-video/?xid=homepage (http://time.com/4626743/chicago-torture-video/?xid=homepage)

Before you click that link, make your best guess.

I guess Russia.

Edit: Okay, here's what I've managed to glean from it:


It's tamer than I thought it would be. Just somebody using this thing as a political platform, while simultaneously criticizing people for using it as a political platform. Same stuff you get from every school shooting. As you've already noticed by the thing before the edit, I thought they were going to go Godlike Productions on us.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 15, 2017, 09:45:35 pm
The latest in truly weird brainfarts from the chans involves a joining of forces between the Nazis, the MRAs and the Incels, even though the Nazis and MRAs want the Incels to fuck off those Incel scamps just can't help themselves. It's called Operation B.A.B.B.Y. (http://wonkette.com/610440/hey-white-ladies-4chan-wants-to-meme-some-babies-into-your-womb)

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-13-at-3.26.13-PM.png)

Note orders for MGTOW nerd virgins not to post, I'm sure they'll behave themselves...

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-13-at-3.14.00-PM.png)
...nah!

And it's SOOPER, SOOPER SEEKRIT GUIZE!!!

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-13-at-3.39.55-PM.png)

Don't tell anyone!

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 29, 2017, 11:40:00 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZUQImcl.jpg)

I've actually read two of the studies this picture cites. One was a failed experiment, and another found women to have more neurons than men.

Besides, if we women really were so stupid and pathetic, how stupid and pathetic is a group of males (I hesitate to call them "men") that feels threatened by us?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 30, 2017, 09:50:07 am
I thought I'd take a gander at what the Trump fanboys are up to on Reddit...

Thread title: Spot the difference.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/1rndDRsh95xC9UozXPzREqwLHmPw2gbR6zRb3_aXOjY.jpg?w=1024&s=8d628a6054a7a1ed0b0ee8959ef460c5)

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Messy but organized. That means he's busy GETTING STUFF DONE

Because everything is done on paper and those are definitely the real actual papers he gets and not just scenery for the photo-op?

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One is a racist, evil man looking to divide our country and ruin global relationships in order to start WWIII and fill his pockets.

The other is President Donald J. Trump working for the people.

Unfortunately the "best" comments were deleted before I got back from work because originally this thread had a dozen more comments that a) called Obama a nigger b) Went on and on how Trump is an ALPHA MALE while Obama is a cuck c)  complained about Obama setting his feet on the desk in some other photo and how Trump would never do something so boorish.

Seems like they do a lot of cleaning up in there. In fact, there's another Reddit group made up of people who get banned from the fanclub. (Reasons for banning vary from trolling to not being a sycophant or simply asking if the others really think that Trump is cool.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 30, 2017, 04:19:08 pm
Found on r/incels

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 30, 2017, 04:25:22 pm
"Balloon appearing noise?" That's just lazy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 30, 2017, 04:38:22 pm
"pop" - That wasn't hard.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on January 30, 2017, 06:24:14 pm
Allow me to quote the great philosopher Nice Peter:

Quote from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mbGUld2w-s
And... DOINK!
Nice punchline bro,
Your jokes haven't grown,
Since you told them in a lunchline bro,
You're an eight-year-old boy,
Stuck inside a whatever-year-old man,
"Look at me, I'm [incel], I can,
[Blog] about my problems instead of solvin' them,"
You wanna heal,
You gotta deal,
With your issues,
'Cause the bottle's not stoppin' em
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 30, 2017, 06:27:50 pm
I love that rap battle.

Ironbite-good way to end the season too.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on January 30, 2017, 06:51:23 pm
"pop" - That wasn't hard.

"pop" was used one panel later for the balloon going away.

Assuming the string wasn't taut when the balloon appeared, you could probably just use "doink", since that's about the noise the balloon will make when it bounces on the end of its string after floating to the top. You'd need to make sure it's shown reverberating off the string.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 31, 2017, 01:44:13 am
I don't think it's a bad comic. It is true that for some people life is harder than the others (notice how the suffering person has an empty balloon called health and clearly has more problems than the person in the first panel) and loneliness certainly is a real problem.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 31, 2017, 02:36:19 am
I don't think the basic idea is bad on it's own merits, but coming from r/incel, the people who want the government to force women to date them at gunpoint, it raises nasty implications.  It's like when Islamophobes talk about how Islam threatens women's rights but want Muslim women kicked out of western countries. A fig leaf of reasonableness to cover up the bigoted core of their ideology.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 31, 2017, 03:35:01 am
OK, I get that you don't like the site it comes from but I don't sense anything particularly evil or wrong about his comic and don't know if they made it or if they simply shared it because they identified with the message in it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 01, 2017, 02:18:40 am
Not disagreeing with your points Askold but I can't help noticing a, the woman carries no burdens which fits in with the incel view of women as being more privileged than poor downtrodden incel men and b, she rejects him just for shits and giggles which fits in with the incel view of women being evil harpy succubi.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 01, 2017, 02:46:35 am
Well if you go with that then maybe, but if you assume that the genders are random or that the POV is of the burdened character and they do not know what kind of burdens other people carry then it's not bad.

I don't know incel well enough to know if this comic really is a misogynistic "guys suffer women get it easy" propaganda, but at least you can easily interpret it in a better way.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on February 01, 2017, 09:27:11 am
The woman is clearly aware of burden guy's problem.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 01, 2017, 02:55:41 pm
Was that comic actually drawn by an incel?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2017, 03:46:54 pm
Not disagreeing with your points Askold but I can't help noticing a, the woman carries no burdens which fits in with the incel view of women as being more privileged than poor downtrodden incel men and b, she rejects him just for shits and giggles which fits in with the incel view of women being evil harpy succubi.

a) ok, but she doesn't have balloons either? I think it's clear that it's not meant to show the things she 'carries with her', to make her look explicitly privileged she'd look like the guy in the first panel

b) She doesn't reject him, consider he doesn't make an advance in the first place. She just walks past him.

It seems like your argument is 'this comic is bad because it was made by an incel, who believe bad things'. As opposed to anything about the comic, which seems a pretty straightforward 'loneliness sucks' message.

and, y'know, loneliness does suck. Incels are not wrong about that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 01, 2017, 04:53:31 pm
Not disagreeing with your points Askold but I can't help noticing a, the woman carries no burdens which fits in with the incel view of women as being more privileged than poor downtrodden incel men and b, she rejects him just for shits and giggles which fits in with the incel view of women being evil harpy succubi.

a) ok, but she doesn't have balloons either? I think it's clear that it's not meant to show the things she 'carries with her', to make her look explicitly privileged she'd look like the guy in the first panel

b) She doesn't reject him, consider he doesn't make an advance in the first place. She just walks past him.

It seems like your argument is 'this comic is bad because it was made by an incel, who believe bad things'. As opposed to anything about the comic, which seems a pretty straightforward 'loneliness sucks' message.

and, y'know, loneliness does suck. Incels are not wrong about that.

a), the person with a somewhat heavy burden is more privileged than the person with none? He's better off than the guy with a super heavy load but not the woman in the comic.
b), she notes that he needs help then proceeds to ignore his need for help. Looks like a rejection to me.
c) that was not remotely my argument, I just noted that the comic places the responsibility on the guy's final squished state on the cold-hearted woman who ignores his need for help that she shows full awareness of.
d) no shit, water is also wet.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on February 01, 2017, 10:47:36 pm
I read the comic as trying emotionally blackmailing women to date them.  "It makes me really depressed that you won't go out with me, so you're a horrible person if you don't"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 02, 2017, 02:07:49 am
If that's they way they meant it then they should have had the guy say something because now it presumes that the woman should have through telepathy sensed that the guy wants her to go out with him. As it is there is no implication that the guy made any kind of advance towards her and all we see is her making a sympathetic comment and then moving on.

...Not that your theory is without merit as the "nice guy" concept would fit that interpretation. Maybe this is yet another example of writer trying to make a point but doing it so poorly that an alternate interpretation makes more sense. (Death of the author...) "Girls don't fall from the sky and show up offering to have sex with me, how horrible this world is."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 02, 2017, 02:25:22 am
Crippling loneliness may be bad, but if he does indeed overcook his pasta, he has much bigger problems on his hands.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 02, 2017, 04:26:24 am
If that's they way they meant it then they should have had the guy say something because now it presumes that the woman should have through telepathy sensed that the guy wants her to go out with him. As it is there is no implication that the guy made any kind of advance towards her and all we see is her making a sympathetic comment and then moving on.

...Not that your theory is without merit as the "nice guy" concept would fit that interpretation. Maybe this is yet another example of writer trying to make a point but doing it so poorly that an alternate interpretation makes more sense. (Death of the author...) "Girls don't fall from the sky and show up offering to have sex with me, how horrible this world is."
I actually agree that there's more than one way to interpret this webcomic. Yes, the fact that I found it on r/Incels did make me focus on the bit where she notes he has a heavy load and says "good luck with that". The load is probably a metaphor but yeah, she didn't need psychic powers to observe he needed help. She outright stated it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 02, 2017, 04:58:21 am
I was referring to how he did not ask for help or ask her to go out with him or anything, not that she didn't see his troubles. She saw the he is having rough time and cheered him up before moving on. (Besides, not everyone can stop whatever they are doing to help each passerby they see in trouble and if this is about how lonely "nice guys" need dates then I point out that you can't expect random passerby to start going out with you just like that either.)

It's like the comic assumes that anyone who treats you like a human being or says anything nice either wants to fuck you or is friendzoning you...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 05, 2017, 02:46:57 am
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No it is the "black shirts" paid by George Soros who turn peaceful protests into riots, just as the "brown shirts" did for Hitler in the late 20's (and later became the SS) who are the Nazis today. It's amazing how you don't see it with Clinton stealing the nomination from Sanders with her 900 insider votes before the people even voted. You're either ignorant or so progressive that you can't see the facts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Wurdulac on February 05, 2017, 04:44:37 pm
This is more of an aside than actually addressing the content of...whatever the hell that was, but is it really so difficult for people to understand that the primaries are basically just a litmus test the parties use to determine who has the most popular support within their party?  That there's nothing wrong with them determining who to nominate prior to the primaries?  Why they pre-selected Clinton over anyone else is, as my best guess, because they felt she would have been able to work with the Repubs to get shit done more effectively than anyone else; whether that would have been true will never be known now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 06, 2017, 01:43:24 am
Hey, that's just the "Clinton is EEVIL" meme and one of the many complaints about her that are randomly chosen whenever she is mentioned. I am more amused at the "Georgo Soros is behind everything bad" and "paid protestors" conspiracies. He went on to explain that the same rioters show up in every city that Milo goes to to wreck shit up and that the only way to explain this is if Soros is paying them...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 08, 2017, 03:49:57 am
I thought he the worst the guy could do was misinterpret Jesus to make a claim he would have approved of Trump's wall and Muslim ban but somehow this is even worse.

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/932b04addcdbe2c7534ebf41ece163bc/tumblr_okka6aO4Pq1u4u3e4o1_500.jpg)

I mean, at least people have been using religion to defend their horrible ideas for thuosands of years so it's nothing new but this... He is saying that the Nazis who invaded other countries are better people than the refugees fleeing warzones?! And the old "refugees are all just grown men and no women or children among them" bullshit is getting boring by now but Nazis? REAL ACTUAL NAZIS used as a "good" counterpoint while insulting refugees? What the hell is wrong with these people?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 08, 2017, 03:57:58 am
Nazis were white and the refugees are scary Muslim brown people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 08, 2017, 04:11:42 am
But Nazis also had scary brown Muslim people...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 08, 2017, 04:18:55 am
But Nazis also had scary brown Muslim people...

No, they were all white, blond, blue-eyed Aryan supermen who were just reclaiming the land they once ruled.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 08, 2017, 04:27:50 am
Can you see these examples of Aryan beauty with their beautiful blond hair and muscular bodies with perfect bone structure?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/48/7e/61/487e61c07499fa1dd2a4d6edf930acb9.jpg)

...I can't.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 08, 2017, 04:41:01 am
Stop, you're making me hard.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 08, 2017, 06:34:34 am
"If your erection lasts longer than the third Reich, please contact a doctor."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 08, 2017, 07:18:21 am
Or the third ereichtion, if you will.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2017, 07:39:18 am
Damn, we need a like button...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 12, 2017, 06:56:02 am
(https://i.imgur.com/5jX5h8h.jpg)


...Somehow my sheer astonishment at the gall this guy has manages to outdo the sheer creepiness that comes from him. I would report him to Blizzard and block him from any and all contact because obviously, but I also feel like he should be frozen in cryosleep and placed into a museum as an example of how entitled, creepy and arrogant humans can become.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 12, 2017, 08:38:52 am
I think he expects all Mercy players to be healsluts.  Considering how sizeable their group is, I'd not be surprised.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 12, 2017, 09:29:22 am
Wow, how is that guy not already taken?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 12, 2017, 12:06:56 pm
Buffalo Bill called. He says you're freaking him out.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 12, 2017, 03:49:41 pm
I've seen that bouncing around on tumblr and yeah it's just super creepy.

Ironbite-hope he got reported and banned from human contact.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on February 12, 2017, 10:25:43 pm
I think I finally saw someone that outdoes Literal Motherfucker. I should probably be starting at a wall in shock...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 12, 2017, 10:28:40 pm

...Somehow my sheer astonishment at the gall this guy has manages to outdo the sheer creepiness that comes from him. I would report him to Blizzard and block him from any and all contact because obviously, but I also feel like he should be frozen in cryosleep and placed into a museum as an example of how entitled, creepy and arrogant humans can become.
A sad reality of having a little sister who's trying on the whole internet dating thing is understanding from her field reports that this dude isn't in the minority.

She relates that shirtless dudes (Putin style) are common and a sizable minority of these like being photographed with their guns. Some of the blokes with guns have them pointed at the camera.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 13, 2017, 10:21:36 am
Oh wow, it has been a while since I last saw people defending the Legion from Fallout New Vegas but after getting more active on Reddit they sure do seem common in the Fallout fandom:

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Caesar isn't evil, he's entirely justified. Under his harsh hand the 4 states commonwealth was recivilized, rehumanized and reordered. Mutants and beasts and all crime was expunged and for the first time in three centuries humanity is on the rise again to reclaim it's rightful place. You don't understand that you couldn't walk down a road without being raped and eaten by raiders of monsters in the 4 states, you hardly understand the desire for order and stability as you live in it today, those people for 3 centuries had no order or peace or stability or any progress beyond the slow and steady decline from prominence before the war to being devoured by the world.

Oh no people died in a war, oh no how awful how terrible. People always die at wars and they always suffer. Caesar has been from the begging very clear, he will break all the little pots in order to make a new one and orderly one and a peaceful one.

Slaves suffer and reclaim the land, the Legion destroys all dangers to the people. The land is reclaimed and pacified and the people can survive in peace and harmony as long as taxes flow and law is observed. It's not the best life but it's better than another 3 centuries of perpetual suffering. Heck even his policy on women makes sense, the only way for humanity is to reclaim the world is by the two horns, the Womb and the sword. Women being so few and population so low they will never reclaim the world as such, but with mothers having dozens of children and their sons going to fight you see an explosion of humanity to dominate all other life.

Lol what a bunch of emotional babble, power is a good thing to wrap your hands around and harness if you are strong enough to do so, you should desire it if you want.

and

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You are the emotional babble dude.

Wahh no one should like power or being in charge of anything larger than themselves. No one should desire anything greater than dirt

One ruler states are achievable, Caesar is achieving one right now, Hell Arradash and Tandi ruled the NCR as one family ruling over it's domain for 70 years.

Killing to reclaim a state is very just and a very appropriate thing to do. Caesar reclaims the land for the human race against all mutants and monsters.

For being so civilized and such even look at the Mojave, you have it's main artery cut by deathclaws and no one can spare anyone to deal with the problem. You have the western route clogged with beasts and tribal raider and in the east you have even more beasts and raiders endangering the simple idea of walking down the road.

You have whole neighborhoods stealing water in order to survive and to scratch out when they have tons of freshwater.

Meanwhile I still think that the Legion is on the cartoon villain level of evil where they are so damn proud of genocide, slavery, luddism and torture they do and their entire existence is unsustainable so I don't get how someone can think that they are the good guys or even competent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 13, 2017, 10:36:26 am
I have my misgivings when it comes to democracy, but even I know the NCR has a better chance of actually making the Mojave livable.  Hell, House himself said that the Legion was inevitably going to rip itself apart, either when Caesar dies of his health issues or when one of his generals kills him in a coup.  The Legion follows Caesar, not his ideals; again, this is explicitly spelled the hell out either by Marcus (read, the most intelligent person in the god damned wasteland) or Arcade Gannon (who is the child of a technologically advanced Legion), methinks.  Combine that with the fact that the savages barely wear actual armour or use real weapons, and there's no way they'd stand a chance against the NCR, which has access to power armour, actual weapons (read guns and directed-energy weapons), and oh, have the power of fucking flight.  The Legion is a group of barely-literate savages guided by megalomaniacal lunatic obsessed with ancient Rome.  Its basically a group of retards being led by a particularly well-spoken LARPer.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 13, 2017, 12:15:09 pm
Personally, I think House is by far the best choice. Yes Man just throws everything back to immediate post-war anarchy (for absolutely no benefit to the Courier, no less). The Legion would at least bring peace and stability in the short term, all while destroying pretty much all of the pre-war tech and infrastructure that House managed to preserve before collapsing or at the very least fragmenting after Sallow is gone (either via coup or death by brain tumour). The NCR, while a clear 2nd best, are corrupt, bloated and spread way too thin. They can't even keep their core territories free of raiders, much less bring civilisation to their more unruly frontier provinces. Meanwhile, House has more access to and knowledge of pre-war tech than any faction in the wasteland, save perhaps the Enclave, as well as the means and the intention of actually using it to uplift the rest of humanity all the way up to pre-war society, as opposed to hoarding it for the sake of hoarding it, or using it to wipe out almost all sentient life.

If you ask me, the choice is very clear.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 13, 2017, 01:09:56 pm
House is cruel and will wipe out factions that annoy him. Like turning on the Kings if they made a truce with the NCR.

Yes Man is the most flexible as it depends on what the player has done. It is potentially the best one if the Courier has made friends out of all the minor factions and does not mean that Vegas can't ally itself with the NCR.

But yeah, NCR has the good and bad sides of a democracy including the corruption and inefficiency of the bureaucracy but they are still a lot better than the Legion.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on February 13, 2017, 01:51:00 pm
The Legion is as I remember in a video about them "A bunch of Raiders who like to play dress up." Caesar likes to think he's living up to the ideals of Rome and all it's glory, but he's not. He's Rome right before it fell due to all the fruits of its conquests coming down upon itself. When Caesar dies and Legate Lanius becomes the new ruler (cause that will eventually happen) the Legion will tear itself apart; whether it be from the massive power vacuum that Caesar leaves behind, Lanius being shit at running anything more simple than an army.

That's not also not taking into account that even if they did win the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, they will lose in the long run, The Legion: Slow to adopt tech, rather brutal and slave loving and probably not quick to adapt it's tactics, vs the NCR: Massive advantage in tech, access to air power, more flexibility in tactics that the Legion. Hell it's implied that two Brotherhood of Steel groups are racing their way up to Californian, The Midwest Brotherhood would wipe the Legion off the map, and so would the East Coast Brotherhood.

TLDR: The Legion is fucked no matter what, and I'm glad that the slave happy son's of bitches are the bad guys.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 13, 2017, 03:04:45 pm
Just asking, are there Shin Megami Tensei Law Faction apologists? I mean, since there are people arguing that the Legion and Caesar are justified...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 13, 2017, 03:45:03 pm
The Legion is just not very good at what they claim to do.  Oh yes we're a bunch of ruthless killers who've been able to pacify part of the lawless wasteland that used to be the United States but can't seem to figure out that GUNS AND AMMO ARE LITERALLY LAYING AROUND EVERYWHERE!  No let's just use these shitty spears.  That'll get the job done.  I'll give them one thing, they're damn good infiltrators.  They can get just about anywhere without being detected so I'll give them that.  But as an army they're just not very good.

Ironbite-also Anarchy is the only way I go with New Vegas.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 13, 2017, 04:19:13 pm
TBH, I kind of wish we got a more nuanced portrayal of the Legion. When you get right down to it, their only redeeming quality is the fact that killing them's good for XP.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 13, 2017, 06:19:20 pm
Plus, their savage garbs are at least good for making money; and their corpses make wonderful set dressing for an alternate ending where they manage to break thru and attack New Vegas, only to get decimated when they try to attack Securitrons with sharp sticks and knives.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 13, 2017, 09:59:42 pm
TBH, I kind of wish we got a more nuanced portrayal of the Legion. When you get right down to it, their only redeeming quality is the fact that killing them's good for XP.
On that note, I wish there were some playable legion controlled territories. It'd be nice to be able to see for ourselves what Legion rule would actually be like, as opposed to just hearing about it from various NPCs.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 13, 2017, 11:49:02 pm
@niam: There's likely people who say "Adachi did nothing wrong" and actually mean it, sooooo...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 14, 2017, 12:30:10 am
Someone made a good point that if you need an explanation why a Missionary would suddenly decide to become an evil emperor then it could be because of the tumor in his brain messing with his mind.


Anyway, if the Legion wasn't a bunch of luddites who hate technology (or claim to do so but the game has them use some guns anyway because otherwise they wouldn't be a threat to high level characters) they would be a more credible threat. And as Caesar's plan literally was to civilize them then why the hell didn't he do so right from the start? He spent a lot of time making them hate all civilization and be as cruel as possible (they were killing their slaves by working them hard, this is not sustainable even if you think it was "necessary" for the survival of mankind) and he really had no chance of reversing all he had done just because he found them a city.

Also:
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The legion isn't doomed to fall, the only people who say that are his malignant enemies and those he's already crushed before him in other fights.

If he can sit his Legion in Rome the it'll truly be a nation, if he falls before bringing it into Rome it will die. It's that simple.

A dead slave isn't a worry really, it's the cost of reclaiming the world, letting 1000 slaves die to clear radiological contaminants is a noble job for them to die. It's very sustainable to keep adding the uncivilized into the legion. Slaves breed slaves as you know and female slaves get pregnant. Lets say a man owns 20 slaves, 6 women who are pregnant churn out 6 new slaves every 9 months as well as his own wife having a child every 9 months you have nearly 15 people growth rate in a moderate household ever year and a half.

...I am starting to think that this guy is a troll or simply roleplaying a Legion fanatic. Because none of that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 16, 2017, 02:31:05 am
There's a Trump-fanboy on an FB group I'm in who went mental when McCain said something about how there seems to be discord in the WH and all the fanboy can do is insult McCain and disregard his claims. Repeatedly several people have pointed out that even if you think McCain is "literally Hitler" it doesn't change the fact that his statement was correct.

He got particularly mad at me because I'm a dirty foreigner and demanded that he be allowed to complain about Finnish politics. ...Which he did by making up another non-sequitor and claiming that Finland supports terrorism and genocide in Russia because one (1) Finnish person helped some Chechen refugees into Finland and helped maintain a web page for a Chechen movement (with no ties to terrorism.)

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When will Finland stop supporting Chechen terrorism? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikael_Storsj%C3%B6

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By allowing him to support Chechen child-murderers, your country is complicit in the murder of my co-ethnics in Beslan. It seems that your Finnish freedom of speech needs to be paid for with the blood of Ossetian and Armenian children. So yes, by all means keep interfering with our politics in the US so that we make an issue of your country's " private sector" support for terrorism -- or your words, "some guy who tried to help the Chechens." Sorry, this support is ongoing, and until it stops, your country is providing a law-free context enabling murder. I told you, interference in my country's politics just invites me to bring out your country's dirty laundry, so you will find yourself having to write longer and longer defences of Finland. You challenged me to take issue, so here you go, deal with it.

Other than this he spent the thread crying about fake news and insulting McCain and trying to change the subject...

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And the news is what exactly? That the Russian have spooks and have been trying to establish links with US politicians? Read the WSJ on this to get what the real scandal is ... it is our spooks spying on our own citizens without court authorization.

Because there is nothing wrong with Russia making a spy out of high ranking US government members?

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I do not care. It is McCain saying it, and it does not matter at that level. Given the level of odium and outright evil he represents, I would rather put up with White House dysfunction than do something that is obviously in his interest.

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Look, when it comes to McCain, he is fair game absolutely for all manner of speech acts, full stop. It is called the first amendment. Bringing him in post will invite this sort of attack. If you do not like it, simply do not invoke the s-head, or block me.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 16, 2017, 05:32:13 am
In today's issue of US citizens don't know what the word "democracy" means:
(https://i.redd.it/35ynmups04gy.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 16, 2017, 10:51:48 am
I was once confused by the whole "democracy"-"republic" thing, but then I read something that cleared it up:

The distinction these people are pointing out is the one that existed in the late 18th century (ie when the US Constitution was written).

Back then, "democracy" meant "direct democracy," where the people vote on laws themselves. "Republic" meant "representative democracy," where the people elect representatives to vote on laws on their behalf. So back then, they were contrasting terms.

Now, of course, they're not, and "republic" contrasts with "monarchy," with "democracy" being on a different scale entirely.

But that doesn't stop people from either ignorantly or disingenuously using the old definitions without being clear about it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 17, 2017, 03:09:30 pm
Not the net, this is oldschool. Oldschool beliefs as well:
(https://i.redditmedia.com/-rd-0OFtcU280HL_U6CKOzTmu5Un95mXhS6UdYVN3FE.jpg?w=531&s=ac82bff2847348c5ebc658037d03c7e2)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Murdin on February 19, 2017, 12:49:05 am
Not exactly the kind of content that is typically posted in this thread, but I think it's always interesting to see what kind of rhetorical loops people will go through to justify, at least to themselves and each other... well, all those obviously "crazy" reactionary beliefs that typically land here. I'm not supposed to be on these forums anymore, but I stumbled upon that blog by accident while searching for "chemtrails can melt steel beams" jokes, found a few things that tickled my mind, and had no idea where else to post them.

Quote from: http://notafraid-ofvirginiawoolf.tumblr.com/post/157247075800/the-point-is-not-trump-but-the-fact-that-though from Angelo M. Codevilla
The point is not Trump, but the fact that though the ruling class pushed Western Civilization aside, it did not replace it with any cultural hegemony in the Gramscian-Machiavellian sense. Rather, by pushing P.C. defined as inflicting indignities, the progressives destroyed the legitimacy of any and all authority, foremost their own…
What is to be done with a political system in which no one any longer believes? This is a revolutionary question because America’s ruling class largely destroyed, along with its own credibility, the respect for truth, and the culture of restraint that had made the American people unique stewards of freedom and prosperity. Willful masses alienated from civilization turn all too naturally to revolutions’ natural leaders. Donald Trump only foreshadows the implacable men who, Abraham Lincoln warned, belong to the “family of the lion and the tribe of the eagle.”

In short, the P.C. “changes in law and public norms” (to quote Galston again) that the ruling class imposed on the rest of America, rather than having “gradually brought about changes in private attitudes across partisan and ideological lines” as the ruling class imagined (and as Gramsci would have approved) have set off a revolution—of which we can be sure only that it won’t be pretty.

In short, people should rally behind a strongman to oppose social change and save society from its "progressive elites"... because these elites lost their legitimacy by forcing social change upon the people, which left a power vacuum that could be used by a strongman to take power. Since revolution is supposed to be ugly, any crime or injustice perpetrated by the new regime should be regarded as morally justified by the exceptional circumstances, a necessity to prevent a crumbling society from spiraling into an ugly free-for-all. Or, even shorter still: right-wing authoritarianism is justified because it is unavoidable, and unavoidable because it is justified. Did I get it right?

Still, I have to give that to them. If only my degenerate leftist mind could truly embrace the refinement, nay, the majesty of this statement, if only I could grasp and accept its full implications, all of them, no matter how circular or myopic or hypocritical or contradictory they are... then all of those beliefs that I've previously described as "crazy" would become as natural as two plus two making five:

Quote from: http://notafraid-ofvirginiawoolf.tumblr.com/post/157168793455/the-ordinary-man-has-always-been-sane-because-the from G.K. Chesterton
The ordinary man has always been sane because the ordinary man has always been a mystic. He has permitted the twilight. He has always had one foot in earth and the other in fairyland. He has always left himself free to doubt his gods; but (unlike the agnostic of today) free also to believe in them. He has always cared more for truth than for consistency. If he saw two truths that seemed to contradict each other, he would take the two truths and the contradiction along with them.

Okay, let's drop the sarcasm. I have a particular fascination with the ambiguous and counter-intuitive. Subverted dichotomies, false equivalences, hidden complexities, paradoxical dualities, opposition to tribal thinking, the inherent subjectivity in the study of thought processes, the blending of personal qualities and social descriptors that are supposed to be antithetical... all those things that seem to fly in the face of the our tendency to pursue comprehension through categorization and compartmentalization. As such, being a "mystic" of sorts, not only do I find this statement incredibly insidious in its anti-intellectualism, it feels almost like a personal insult. The gaps and overlaps that can be found between seemingly contradictory notions should be a motive for intense reflection, for a deeper exploration of those twilit areas of conventional thought. Not a lame excuse for intellectual abdication and the unquestioning embrace of the arbitrary. A seeming contradiction is likely to contain more information than the two initial "facts" ; it should be the focus of attention, not just "taken along" as an afterthought.

Incidentally, the blog is basically what you would expect from a typical twenty-something tumblrina, for the most part. Reblogging posts relevant to her fandoms, asking for people to ask her questions then answering to them, the occasional comment about her private life, you name it. The one major difference is that the good intentions, the social awareness, the tinge of genuine compassion that can be found even among the most frothing SJW... those things are completely absent here. In their place are lots and lots of old-timey, religious and fascist right-wing populist ~aesthetics~. So much for letting the selfish, dogmatic and bigoted Baby Boomer generation die off.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 19, 2017, 08:21:01 pm
Not exactly the kind of content that is typically posted in this thread, but I think it's always interesting to see what kind of rhetorical loops people will go through to justify, at least to themselves and each other... well, all those obviously "crazy" reactionary beliefs that typically land here. I'm not supposed to be on these forums anymore, but I stumbled upon that blog by accident while searching for "chemtrails can melt steel beams" jokes, found a few things that tickled my mind, and had no idea where else to post them.

Quote from: http://notafraid-ofvirginiawoolf.tumblr.com/post/157247075800/the-point-is-not-trump-but-the-fact-that-though from Angelo M. Codevilla
The point is not Trump, but the fact that though the ruling class pushed Western Civilization aside, it did not replace it with any cultural hegemony in the Gramscian-Machiavellian sense. Rather, by pushing P.C. defined as inflicting indignities, the progressives destroyed the legitimacy of any and all authority, foremost their own…
What is to be done with a political system in which no one any longer believes? This is a revolutionary question because America’s ruling class largely destroyed, along with its own credibility, the respect for truth, and the culture of restraint that had made the American people unique stewards of freedom and prosperity. Willful masses alienated from civilization turn all too naturally to revolutions’ natural leaders. Donald Trump only foreshadows the implacable men who, Abraham Lincoln warned, belong to the “family of the lion and the tribe of the eagle.”

In short, the P.C. “changes in law and public norms” (to quote Galston again) that the ruling class imposed on the rest of America, rather than having “gradually brought about changes in private attitudes across partisan and ideological lines” as the ruling class imagined (and as Gramsci would have approved) have set off a revolution—of which we can be sure only that it won’t be pretty.

In short, people should rally behind a strongman to oppose social change and save society from its "progressive elites"... because these elites lost their legitimacy by forcing social change upon the people, which left a power vacuum that could be used by a strongman to take power. Since revolution is supposed to be ugly, any crime or injustice perpetrated by the new regime should be regarded as morally justified by the exceptional circumstances, a necessity to prevent a crumbling society from spiraling into an ugly free-for-all. Or, even shorter still: right-wing authoritarianism is justified because it is unavoidable, and unavoidable because it is justified. Did I get it right?

I think you're reading things into it that aren't there?

As far I can tell the quote is about inevitability but not justification. The belief that strongmen will happen but no endorsement of that. Rather the opposite, I think.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Murdin on February 20, 2017, 07:30:54 am
I think you're reading things into it that aren't there?

As far I can tell the quote is about inevitability but not justification. The belief that strongmen will happen but no endorsement of that. Rather the opposite, I think.

Yeah, you're right. Just did a bit more research, and it appears that Codevilla isn't exactly a Trump supporter or apologist. Just a fatalistic, out-of-touch ultra-conservative who thinks the republic was screwed either way, because the masses will turn to authoritarianism rather than accept the elite's affronts to the natural order of things. What misled me was his contribution to the Claremont Institute, which tends towards apology (Flight 93 election), as well as the imagery of an ineluctable popular mass uprising against the elites which ironically reminds me of Marx. Something should also be said about his longing for an imaginary past where America truly lived up to her ideals, which fits right into Trump's MAGA rhetoric.

Regardless, the blogger herself was clearly using this quote as a justification for her political opinions. This was actually my main point: anyone can cherry-pick some intelligent-sounding pieces of rhetoric in support of their beliefs, whichever they are. In the Internet age, you will usually be able to find some decently-written essay to quote as a support ; even if you don't, you can always write and publish your own. For that matter, I'm not certain that the second quote captures the entirety of Chesterton's views on the subject matter. I don't really care, though, since he himself was so eager to trivialize the thoughts of other authors and philosophers.

It doesn't excuse the fact that I did overreach by attributing the Trumpism to the quote itself rather than the context of its use. Sorry. I'm not in the best mental state right now, and it was probably a mistake for me to come back here just to rant about someone being wrong on the Internet.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 20, 2017, 08:54:24 am
Ey, that shit happens, homie.  Least you didn't pull a Paragon and double down, diggin yourself straight into orbit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 20, 2017, 01:29:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjfKxlO-QA

Too many black people!?! White genocide!! Erasure of proud European history!! REEEEEEE!!!!!

...

...Seriously though, I don't really see a reason to cry over this. There were people of non-European descent involved in the war, at this point he (and the many other idiots on the net) are crying because the percentage of non-whites is wrong. ...Which among the lesser historical inaccuracies in the game and this "40% of British soldiers seem to be black" would only be true if the multiplayer classes were claimed to be an exact representation of the ethnicities in the army. Instead it could just be that the game focuses on specific units and people. Also, complaining because this is a game (one of very few) where you "have to" play a black person is just yet another example of how some people only realize how important representation is when they themselves suffer from it. I don't remember people complaining that they couldn't play a black transwoman in Battlefield 3 for example.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on February 20, 2017, 05:47:37 pm
Isn't this an alternate history game anyway? They're whinging about "historical inaccuracy" in a game whose entire premise is a historical inaccuracy, lol.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 20, 2017, 05:54:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjfKxlO-QA

Too many black people!?! White genocide!! Erasure of proud European history!! REEEEEEE!!!!!

...

...Seriously though, I don't really see a reason to cry over this. There were people of non-European descent involved in the war, at this point he (and the many other idiots on the net) are crying because the percentage of non-whites is wrong. ...Which among the lesser historical inaccuracies in the game and this "40% of British soldiers seem to be black" would only be true if the multiplayer classes were claimed to be an exact representation of the ethnicities in the army. Instead it could just be that the game focuses on specific units and people. Also, complaining because this is a game (one of very few) where you "have to" play a black person is just yet another example of how some people only realize how important representation is when they themselves suffer from it. I don't remember people complaining that they couldn't play a black transwoman in Battlefield 3 for example.

Gotta say, it wasn't as bad as I feared from the clickbait title.

I don't see much of a problem with diversifying WWI armies. The token black German exempted, it doesn't strain credulity for me (though tbf, I've never been a history buff). It may not be historically accurate, but it's hardly immersion-breaking.

I also disagree with his argument that DICE has an obligation to accurately portray the ethnic makeup of WWI armies. Were they using historical figures, I'd agree with him. Were they billing the game as historically accurate, I'd also agree with him. But AFAIK, all the playable characters were created for the game, and it makes no pretenses of being a documentary.

Not to mention how he contradicts himself. Right on the heels of his claim that it's an insult to the memory of those who fought and died, he says people shouldn't learn history from pop culture. So... which is it? Does DICE have a moral obligation towards accuracy, or should people be expected to find the truth for themselves?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 20, 2017, 06:07:57 pm
There were afro-germans fighting in WWI - Most of the major players, the UK, France and Germany had black Soldiers. It was the rather unsurprising result of the colonialism that helped trigger the war in the first place.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 20, 2017, 09:01:35 pm
There were afro-germans fighting in WWI - Most of the major players, the UK, France and Germany had black Soldiers. It was the rather unsurprising result of the colonialism that helped trigger the war in the first place.

How many Afro-Germans fought in Europe, though? Considering the Allied blockade of the Central Powers, I don't think they could bring in more than a handful.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 20, 2017, 09:20:54 pm
Even if it were only a handful that shouldn't strain the credulity of the token afro-german, should it? The reality is that there were afro-germans fighting in Europe in WWI..

Would your credulity be strained by a character that was a black samurai? Was it strained when Tom Cruise was the 'last Samurai' ? Would it surprise you to know that there was a black 'samurai'?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 20, 2017, 10:02:12 pm
Even if it were only a handful that shouldn't strain the credulity of the token afro-german, should it? The reality is that there were afro-germans fighting in Europe in WWI..

Would your credulity be strained by a character that was a black samurai? Was it strained when Tom Cruise was the 'last Samurai' ? Would it surprise you to know that there was a black 'samurai'?

Wait, there was?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 20, 2017, 10:08:23 pm
Well, yeah. Haven't you ever heard of Jerome Gerapusoda?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 20, 2017, 10:11:39 pm
Even if it were only a handful that shouldn't strain the credulity of the token afro-german, should it? The reality is that there were afro-germans fighting in Europe in WWI..

Would your credulity be strained by a character that was a black samurai? Was it strained when Tom Cruise was the 'last Samurai' ? Would it surprise you to know that there was a black 'samurai'?

Wait, there was?
Yup. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 20, 2017, 10:59:14 pm
Even if it were only a handful that shouldn't strain the credulity of the token afro-german, should it? The reality is that there were afro-germans fighting in Europe in WWI..

Would your credulity be strained by a character that was a black samurai? Was it strained when Tom Cruise was the 'last Samurai' ? Would it surprise you to know that there was a black 'samurai'?

Wait, there was?
Yup. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke)

Wow. Guess truth really is stranger than fiction.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 21, 2017, 12:20:03 am
There were also black vikings. ...And at least one native American woman was brought back to Europe by vikings because her descendants still live in Norway.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on February 21, 2017, 01:33:20 am
I'll let my favorite Mark Twain quite summarize this "Truth Is Stranger than Fiction, But It Is Because Fiction Is Obliged to Stick to Possibilities; Truth Isn’t"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on February 21, 2017, 07:53:52 am
We seem to all be hopping on this tangent that Lana "I'm as sharp as a pillow" Reverse wants us to go down... Now, Lana, what were you saying about black people being used in vidya games?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 21, 2017, 08:30:28 am
Also if having the exact historical proportions of people from specific ethnic groups is important does this mean you also oppose whitewashing or is it only a problem if there aren't enough white people?

Like did you protest the latest Potter film because it showed a pretty white Harlem?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 21, 2017, 09:51:27 am
Also if having the exact historical proportions of people from specific ethnic groups is important does this mean you also oppose whitewashing or is it only a problem if there aren't enough white people?

Like did you protest the latest Potter film because it showed a pretty white Harlem?

I explicitly said that it wasn't.

I don't see much of a problem with diversifying WWI armies. The token black German exempted, it doesn't strain credulity for me (though tbf, I've never been a history buff). It may not be historically accurate, but it's hardly immersion-breaking.

I also disagree with his argument that DICE has an obligation to accurately portray the ethnic makeup of WWI armies. Were they using historical figures, I'd agree with him. Were they billing the game as historically accurate, I'd also agree with him. But AFAIK, all the playable characters were created for the game, and it makes no pretenses of being a documentary.

If you want to criticize me, fine, go ahead. But please don't make things up.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 21, 2017, 04:21:31 pm
Also if having the exact historical proportions of people from specific ethnic groups is important does this mean you also oppose whitewashing or is it only a problem if there aren't enough white people?

Like did you protest the latest Potter film because it showed a pretty white Harlem?

I explicitly said that it wasn't.

I don't see much of a problem with diversifying WWI armies. The token black German exempted, it doesn't strain credulity for me (though tbf, I've never been a history buff). It may not be historically accurate, but it's hardly immersion-breaking.

I also disagree with his argument that DICE has an obligation to accurately portray the ethnic makeup of WWI armies. Were they using historical figures, I'd agree with him. Were they billing the game as historically accurate, I'd also agree with him. But AFAIK, all the playable characters were created for the game, and it makes no pretenses of being a documentary.

If you want to criticize me, fine, go ahead. But please don't make things up.

No you said you don't have much of a problem which means you have some problem. However you imply that if it were 'immersion-breaking' then you would have a problem. Personally it is immersion breaking to me that none of the playable characters are squirrels. Like fuck! we were there man.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on February 21, 2017, 04:28:53 pm
Also if having the exact historical proportions of people from specific ethnic groups is important does this mean you also oppose whitewashing or is it only a problem if there aren't enough white people?

Like did you protest the latest Potter film because it showed a pretty white Harlem?

I explicitly said that it wasn't.

I don't see much of a problem with diversifying WWI armies. The token black German exempted, it doesn't strain credulity for me (though tbf, I've never been a history buff). It may not be historically accurate, but it's hardly immersion-breaking.

I also disagree with his argument that DICE has an obligation to accurately portray the ethnic makeup of WWI armies. Were they using historical figures, I'd agree with him. Were they billing the game as historically accurate, I'd also agree with him. But AFAIK, all the playable characters were created for the game, and it makes no pretenses of being a documentary.

If you want to criticize me, fine, go ahead. But please don't make things up.

No you said you don't have much of a problem which means you have some problem. However you imply that if it were 'immersion-breaking' then you would have a problem. Personally it is immersion breaking to me that none of the playable characters are squirrels. Like fuck! we were there man.

We lost plenty of good squirrels that day.  :(
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 21, 2017, 04:33:21 pm
Also if having the exact historical proportions of people from specific ethnic groups is important does this mean you also oppose whitewashing or is it only a problem if there aren't enough white people?

Like did you protest the latest Potter film because it showed a pretty white Harlem?

I explicitly said that it wasn't.

I don't see much of a problem with diversifying WWI armies. The token black German exempted, it doesn't strain credulity for me (though tbf, I've never been a history buff). It may not be historically accurate, but it's hardly immersion-breaking.

I also disagree with his argument that DICE has an obligation to accurately portray the ethnic makeup of WWI armies. Were they using historical figures, I'd agree with him. Were they billing the game as historically accurate, I'd also agree with him. But AFAIK, all the playable characters were created for the game, and it makes no pretenses of being a documentary.

If you want to criticize me, fine, go ahead. But please don't make things up.

No you said you don't have much of a problem which means you have some problem. However you imply that if it were 'immersion-breaking' then you would have a problem. Personally it is immersion breaking to me that none of the playable characters are squirrels. Like fuck! we were there man.

We lost plenty of good squirrels that day.  :(

Never Forget
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 22, 2017, 02:26:25 am
Also if having the exact historical proportions of people from specific ethnic groups is important does this mean you also oppose whitewashing or is it only a problem if there aren't enough white people?

Like did you protest the latest Potter film because it showed a pretty white Harlem?

I explicitly said that it wasn't.

I don't see much of a problem with diversifying WWI armies. The token black German exempted, it doesn't strain credulity for me (though tbf, I've never been a history buff). It may not be historically accurate, but it's hardly immersion-breaking.

I also disagree with his argument that DICE has an obligation to accurately portray the ethnic makeup of WWI armies. Were they using historical figures, I'd agree with him. Were they billing the game as historically accurate, I'd also agree with him. But AFAIK, all the playable characters were created for the game, and it makes no pretenses of being a documentary.

If you want to criticize me, fine, go ahead. But please don't make things up.

No you said you don't have much of a problem which means you have some problem. However you imply that if it were 'immersion-breaking' then you would have a problem. Personally it is immersion breaking to me that none of the playable characters are squirrels. Like fuck! we were there man.

We lost plenty of good squirrels that day.  :(

Never Forget

Why you forget the doggos? They had some good doggos who were strong enough to pull a Maxim gun on the battlefield and so they were given that task. So many of them died in the war that the breed went extinct.

...They were good doggos.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 22, 2017, 02:44:58 am
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But the over the top reactions here, push independents and others who come into contact with your opinions into his camp out of pure self defence

I'm a far-right conservative who wants Bill Pryor on the Supreme Court, the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment, universal school choice, and the abolition of corporate income taxes. If my anti-Trump attitudes push you away in any direction, it should probably be toward the Left.

The second person left the GOP (including a minor position with the Minnesota party) over Trump's candidacy, and said he wished Evan McMullin would campaign in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 22, 2017, 03:17:24 am
Question: what kind of person looks at the anti-Trump camp and then decides that the pro-Trump camp is less extreme?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 22, 2017, 04:40:58 am
The pro-Trump guys may be extreme, but the anti-Trump folks are by far the most tubular.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 22, 2017, 05:18:56 am
The pro-Trump guys may be extreme, but the anti-Trump folks are by far the most tubular.

Tubular

synonyms:

cylindrical
tube-like
pipe-like
tubiform

...


...


Let's try the wiktionary instead:

Shaped like a tube.

Of or pertaining to a tube.
Consisting of tubes.
(slang, dated) Cool, awesome.

...Are you saying that the anti-Trump people are awesome or shaped like tubes? Because this message isn't clear to me.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2017, 08:49:53 am
Old 80s slang for cool, as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 22, 2017, 06:53:58 pm
Aye. Because "extreme" was also 80's/90's slang for awesome. "On fleek" and "I can't even" weren't always what all the cool kids were saying.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 25, 2017, 09:54:16 pm
Spotted in the Sydney Morning Herald's comment section. (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/insultmachines-like-milo-yiannopolous-havent-lost-free-speech-just-their-bully-pulpit-20170223-gujlcp.html)

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KellyMelbourne,Feb 25 2017 at 10:18am
Yep - and perhaps that should tell you how the majority are feeling. Wake up!! And it's not "hate" its political correctness gone made that we're fed up with. Time to start governing what people want rather than governing to people's "feelings".
BanjoEden,Feb 25 2017 at 12:29pm
Kelly, your statement doesn't make logical sense. You begin with a reference to how the 'majority' are 'feeling' and you end with a dismissal of 'feeling'.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 26, 2017, 04:40:58 am
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So....an AR-15 in the hands of police= keeping one safe, yet an AR-15 in the hands of a law abiding citizen=felony?

...Maybe? If the laws say that having a
(click to show/hide)
AR-15 is a felony
(click to show/hide)
then that's the way it is.
(click to show/hide)

"Why can army have nukes but if law abiding citizen breaks the law and makes his own nuke then suddenly he is a criminal? Me no understand!"

Aside from the fact that "Mr. Random US citizen commenting on a 3 years old youtube video" is mostly wrong on his statement I still don't get why it's such a big deal that the police and military are allowed to use weapons and tools that are restricted or forbidden from civilians.


But this was yet another comment from people who complained about a local police station getting new guns and equipment to replace the Vietnam war era military surplus stuff they had been using for decades... Or as one person said it:

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pathetic that you rely on other people to keep you safe.  i carry a gun daily and have a better AR than that.  i keep me and my family safe.  police are their to enforce the laws. and i respect them for that

...Isn't keeping people safe also a part of enforcing the laws?

EDIT:

(http://i.imgur.com/AjRrrb5.jpg)

...Bad education or a troll?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on February 26, 2017, 04:29:30 pm
Troll. If she was serious she'd be calling them Indians.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 08, 2017, 01:21:52 am
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End Times radio broadcaster and unhinged conspiracy theorist Rick Wiles dedicated his radio program yesterday to warning that a secretive pedophile ring is working to destroy President Trump before he can expose their murderous global network.

Wiles said that Trump is “besieged by a slithering cabal of seditious snakes” who are attempting to carry out a coup against against him at the behest of the “perpetual war and pedophilia party that has ruled America since they assassinated John F. Kennedy in 1963.”

Wiles said that if Russia was responsible for leaking internal Clinton campaign emails, “then they deserve the highest citizenship award that this country can give anybody because they exposed the most vile, disgusting corruption I’ve seen in my lifetime.”

“It’s about pedophilia,” Wiles said:

They’re fighting like cornered animals to prevent their pedophile network from being exposed. … It’s about the darkest, most disgusting, vilest corruption you can imagine. And if the American people ever find out the truth about their politicians and their celebrities in Hollywood and their TV idols and their favorite TV anchormen and women, and they find out all these great famous people and they find out that they’re just child molesters—not only molesters, but child murderers, sacrificing children to Satan. When they find out, they will drag their bloody carcasses down Constitution Avenue in Washington, D.C., with meat hooks! They’ll have meat hooks in their carcasses.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on March 08, 2017, 01:48:54 am
(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder859/500x/34373859.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 17, 2017, 02:12:59 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/olympia/comments/5zl2h8/14_years_ago_tomorrow_rachel_corrie_an_american/dezopae?context=2

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]14 years ago tomorrow, Rachel Corrie, an American peace activist from Olympia, Wa. was deliberately crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer, while undertaking nonviolent direct action to protect the home of a Palestinian family from demolition. Please do not forget this remarkable young woman.

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Murdered is a strong word. I think the more accurate term would be suicide - albeit for a cause. She was a privileged foreigner, in a country and involving herself in a conflict where she had no right to be.

Murder implies intent to kill her. From all the evidence I've seen, she was trespassing and warned multiple times by the governing authority. She refused the orders, and they continued the job they were ordered to do.

In America if a cop (governing authority) tells you to stop running, or to drop your weapon, and you do not comply - lethal force will be used against you.

She was instructed by the governing authority to disband. She did not. They continued the task. She murdered herself if you take the emotion out of it and analyze the situation.

they did not stear the bulldozer towards her and chase her around the lot. They did not tie her down and run her over. Her death was not murder, it was by her own actions.

I'm not saying she shouldn't have done it, but let's keep it real and remember that she killed herself. Maybe she is a martyr, maybe not. I still think she could have made a larger difference if she had lived out her natural life. 

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What is so insane about it? If you disobey an authority figure, lethal harm can be used. I believe the bulldozer operators knowledge is a mute point. Even if he did know she was there, it was her decision to put herself in front of him. It's pretty cut and dry suicide, not murder.

What's insane to me is using the word "murder" when she was by all means, not murdered.

...And it just goes on and on.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 17, 2017, 05:03:22 am
They're literally felating the very concept of an authority figure, and saying authority gives you the right to murder as you see fit so long as some rule or guideline has been broken.

I'd make a SMT Law Faction joke, but those are starting to become far too apt.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 17, 2017, 06:04:03 am
They're literally felating the very concept of an authority figure
What I want to know is how is that physically possible?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 17, 2017, 06:56:38 am
They're literally felating the very concept of an authority figure
What I want to know is how is that physically possible?

This is what happens when people use literally to mean figuratively.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on March 17, 2017, 07:13:33 am
I just like that this poster implies that law enforcers are emotionally stunted murderbots incapable of free will, contradicting their own fawning adoration for the fuckers and failing in textual expression in addition to failing in being a non-scumbag.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 17, 2017, 11:09:27 am
I have trouble finding the right words for the biggest issue I have with people, like the one I quoted:

On one hand they love talking about how much they love FREEEDOM and how free everyone in USA is, usually attributing all forms of oppression or limitations of freedom to the groups they hate (the list varies) ...But then they go on and declare that no one is allowed to question the president, or police or any other authority.


...And they don't see any conflict in this line of thinking.

Also, more than his support for police officers shooting at people who don't obey orders I am apalled at his claim that a person who dies as the result of not listening to authorities is the guilty part. Like they really claim that a protester who refused to move from the way of the bulldozer is the one to blame but the person who drove a bulldozer over them is free from any blame because they are simply following orders or otherwise doing what the law requires.

I hate bringing up the Hitler card as much as the next person* but this kind of thinking does lead to "if the government orders the killing of [insert group of people] then it is legal and perfectly ok" incidents. I mean maybe this person would suddenly draw the line there and refuse to support a Holocaust but if he is consistent with his logic then he would be ok with it as long as it is done "legally."


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Because most Europe is anti gun, has vastly less rights than the USA, and most European nations populations could fit in California.
Google any European country, check their population. Now check California's population, how far off are they?.
There's a reason USA stats are far higher than say the UK.
But if you adjust crime rate stats to population you'll notice these countries actually have more crime.
Take the UK. They have 64.1 million. The USA has 318.9 million.
318.9÷64.1=4.91 lets say 5 to round
The UK, for example, has a homicide rate of one person per 100,000 population per year, while the US has a rate of 4.7
But if we adjust the UK population to match USA we multiply 1/100,000 X 5
So if the UK had equal population as the US the would have 5/100,000 murder rate while the USA has 4.7/100,000.
Without rounding it would be 4.9/100,000 to the USA's 4.7/100,000
http://www.cityam.com/1414945475/hong-kong-murders-city-still-one-safest-places-earth


...What? ...How? ...Why? But he alread- [Askold's brain now refuses to work with this stupid world.]




*assuming that the next person thought that Hitler comparisons are really, really fun.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on March 17, 2017, 02:45:03 pm
A man uses mathematics like a drunkard uses a lamppost. For support. Not enlightenment.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 17, 2017, 05:20:19 pm
well, maybe they think the number of murders in a country grows quadratically with population
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 20, 2017, 08:24:10 am
"What's this?" Says the Alt-right member "Scots aren't like me? I am ashamed of being 3/54 Scottish-American.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PussyPass/comments/606t6r/scottish_altright_groups_are_holding_a_white/df4tfrh/


EDIT:

Can you guess how many people are defending this cop?

(http://i.imgur.com/roXQXyb.gif)

Way too many.

So many Strawman arguments too.

http://imgur.com/gallery/E5D1m
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on March 22, 2017, 01:18:30 pm
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Planned Parenthood is NOTHING like the NRA.
You're right about this. The NRA protects a particular provision of the Bill of Rights, while Planned Parenthood is the most violent organization in the world today, which aims (among other things) to destroy fundamental human rights for an entire class of human beings it considers Lebensunwertes Leben. They are comparable in influence (both due and undue) but incomparable in policy.

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There's a valid historical discussion to be had (if one is inclined to have it) about the relationships between the Eugenics movement, Planned Parenthood, and the Nazi regime.

There's also a valid public policy discussion to be had (again, if one is so inclined) about whether or not Planned Parenthood should be the recipient of Federal tax dollars given that a) they do, as a point of fact, provide abortions; and b) there exist both legal and moral questions surrounding the concept of said Federal funds going to abortion providers.

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As for the subject of discussion, I love the liberal point of view:

"Everybody has the right to live! Yes, even violent, murdering Muslim terrorists....

Except for babies. Fuck them."

I promised I wouldn't get involved in abortion debates on the forum where that came from, but I'd just point out here that it seems the conservative point of view is that you have the right to life... right up until you pop out of your mother's womb.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 22, 2017, 01:39:47 pm
Yes, exactly, fuck babies.  At least terrorists have the good grace to just straight up fucking kill you.  Those little parasites torture you for several years and aren't even physically capable of killing you.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 25, 2017, 10:52:49 pm
(http://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/turytiguh_phixr.png)

Question for any human females reading this, why don't you appreciate the guy who wants to kill you?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 26, 2017, 12:06:57 am
Also apparently MGTOW are advocating pederasty now.

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[W]hen [women] start to diminish men will most likely find it viable to cross the x-y line in order to flock to cute-boys to settle down with, and marry whom don’t have the hypergamous instinct of biological females.

...cute-boys are more feminine than western females and always eager to please/available for sex to a partner.  They are more of a woman than any western whore and at the same time if you pursue them now there is no trouble, and also no ridiculous laws on what rape is(Which is everything nowadays) protecting them.

EDIT:

I got this off We Hunted The mammoth and some of the posters there are saying "cute-boys really means pre-op transwomen.  Apparently there was a minor thing in that subculture of dicks that transwomen are way better then "real" women because

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their reasons were that *real* [cis-] girls are awful in every last way. “Real” girls menstruate, are selfish, stuck up, don’t care about their man, can… get… pregnant, don’t like sex, etc. And the guys — each of them — said they moved up to trans-girls (again, I am certain they used the slur) because trans-girls were more feminine, cared more about keeping their man happy, can’t get pregnant, L*O*V*E* sex, and they don’t bleed once a month.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 26, 2017, 12:51:36 am
MGTOWs: We have overcome our transphobia through sheer misogyny!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on March 26, 2017, 02:09:36 am
Question for any human females reading this, why don't you appreciate the guy who wants to kill you?

Side note, why do all of these idiots have the speech patterns of the Ferengi?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 27, 2017, 05:11:27 pm
BTW that MGTOW came back and clarified his position as to why he prefers transwomen/femme gays to cis-women:

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Fact is they are more of women than you, some claim to be straight but can be seduced still. They don’t complain often, and if they do try to cause an issue out of nowhere the gynocentric court won’t take them seriously.

Seriously this gay sexuality is based on "Who is the easiest to rape."  I'd recommend feeding him to the piranhas but I don't want to give them food poisoning.


Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 27, 2017, 06:03:48 pm
I just think that it is a shame that it is 2017 and they can't just say, you know what, I'd rather have sex with men than women. Happier times for everyone as long as the men they have sex with are each other.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 28, 2017, 08:06:01 pm
I just think that it is a shame that it is 2017 and they can't just say, you know what, I'd rather have sex with men than women. Happier times for everyone as long as the men they have sex with are each other.

Lots of people are attracted to trans women qua women, though. They might be also.

(like if you're attracted to men, why would your default action be to go for people who look as feminine as possible? It's not for plausible deniability, they are still calling us 'boys'. They might be chasers but I think chasers are usually straight)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 28, 2017, 09:13:36 pm
I just think that it is a shame that it is 2017 and they can't just say, you know what, I'd rather have sex with men than women. Happier times for everyone as long as the men they have sex with are each other.

Lots of people are attracted to trans women qua women, though. They might be also.

(like if you're attracted to men, why would your default action be to go for people who look as feminine as possible? It's not for plausible deniability, they are still calling us 'boys'. They might be chasers but I think chasers are usually straight)

Its more that they really seem to hate women...and in the end trans women are going to be women.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 02, 2017, 11:21:36 am
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/487494_367170586732232_570080120_n.jpg?oh=53c5d65ac3c00adafeba4f515f89817f&oe=5994F5D8)

This completely ignores that outside forces will limit what choices a person can make and affect their chance of success.

No matter how hard I try I won't be able to become the president of USA (or many other countries) legally.

In theory I have a chance of getting elected in Finland but my education, family, work history, appearance and connections will have more effect on my odds of winning the elections than just my sheer will.

EDIT: And the main reason this upsets me is that people use it as an excuse to blame the less fortunate ones. "What's that? You are poor and sick? Well why didn't you raise yourself up by your own bootstraps?"

This was on FB and when someone pointed out that the average trash collector in Laos does not have a life full of possibilities he was countered with "Dear old friend, I see what you are saying, but what if I told you that I just met an ex-Laotian trash collector yesterday who is now a multi-millionaire... One person sees dead ends, the other sees a place to forge a new path..."

Fuck you and your bullshit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 02, 2017, 05:16:21 pm
I read that as being about choices rather than outcomes. You are responsible for the choices you make, etc. doesn't mean external factors don't matter.

But I agree the bootstraps narrative is intensely bad
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 04, 2017, 04:05:20 pm
Return of Cucks just decided to give their take on anime. It's exactly as cringeworthy as you'd think:

http://www.returnofkings.com/117690/how-anime-is-programming-men-to-be-weak-and-submissive (http://www.returnofkings.com/117690/how-anime-is-programming-men-to-be-weak-and-submissive)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on April 04, 2017, 04:59:44 pm
It just amazes me how the writers of these articles have friends they can go visit, and not have said person throw them out after ten minutes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 05, 2017, 06:28:16 am
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The US is the most moral nation of the western world. We are the only one's that fought a war to end slavery, the only ones that conquer land and then return it to the people rather then holding it as a vassal state, hell compare our revolution to the barbarism of the French for example. While the US makes mistakes, it has always led the way in terms of right and wrong and set an example for the world - a moral leader.

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Americans are so fat because we have so much cuisine. There's Mexican, Chinese, Italian, Indian, etc. food all on the same block. It's impossible to get tired of the food.

Whereas people in China only have Chinese food, people in Mexico only Mexican, etc. If you ate Chinese food 3 days in a row, if someone offered you some Lo Mein on day 4 you might say "No thanks, I don't feel for Chinese food today." That's why they're all so skinny.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Even Then on April 07, 2017, 07:32:48 am
You know, mate, other countries didn't exactly need wars to abolish slavery. The need of yours to do so reflects on its inability to hold to moral supremacy to the extent of having to resort to self-harm in order to end one of the worst evils mankind has undertaken.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 07, 2017, 08:43:59 am
A-MEEEERICAAAH! FUCK YEAH!

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Different strokes for different folks. But most people would collapse in relief at the sight of a couple Raptors flying overhead donning the American flag under the cockpit. Unless you grew up in a country where we just bombed you.

Everybody loves USA except the people USA keeps bombing. ...I wonder why?

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Hope. In any country I have visited (that number is at 25 or so) none of them share the air of restless ambition that I've found in the US. That their impossible dream is valid and possible, that they alone shape the course of their country, their state, or their city if they so desire, that they acknowledge their position and ask "are we capable of more?". I know I have not looked hard enough, for I am sure those people exist elsewhere. Maybe I've found it less present simply because no other country has our resources; but, nonetheless, it is lacking, that sheer hope that tomorrow will be better than today if only we have the courage to chase it.

When other people ask me what I miss most about living in the USA I answer with all of the lesser ones above, the food, the TV, or the nature; but, I've never said: "I miss being in a country which knows it is capable of greater things: that we will cure cancer and advance the sciences, that we will pursue corruption and combat poverty, that we will be the world's police to those who wish it harm and the world's shelter to those who have been harmed because that is our duty, that we will go back to the Moon and then on to Mars, because our forefathers forged our greatness and our children compel us to utilize it.

...Unless you defund all the schools and pump that money into the military. Because fuck going to Mars or curing cancer when you can buy one more jet for that price.

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All that being said, [children] performing sexual favors so that one does not starve is preferable to horribly starving to death. I don't know why they criticize you when they brought up that hypothetical.
Libertarians? Will they ever stop being the set up AND the punchline to the worst kind of Aristocrats jokes?


(Shit Americans Say subreddit is pure gold.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 07, 2017, 08:34:48 pm
A gamerbro's...unique take (https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/168600-mass-effect-andromeda/75146690/875687905) on Mass Effect,

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The Reapers whole existence was a logical fallacy. Destroying all civilization in order to stop civilization destroying civilization.... yeah...

The Catalyst was an intelligence created by the Leviathans (old Bioware). The Leviathans intentions were good, to create a system to stop organics and synthetics destroying each other but because of this, the Catalyst came to the conclusion that the leviathans needed to die because they held all the power (white privilege).

The Catalyst created the Reapers (new Bioware) in the exact image of the Leviathans and then the Reapers Destroyed them. Though the Reapers were using the Leviathans core logic (Mass effect 1-3), they had twisted it and deviated from the original intention (3rd wave feminism) creating an Inferior Solution (ME:Andromeda)

The Reapers seek the ultimate "fairness", through destruction and Indoctrination (MSM/Buzzfeed) the Reapers aim is to destroy the most advanced civilizations (evil white males) and leave the primitive one's (minorities) alone, leveling the playing field to create a perceived equality of outcome (Socialism).

In the end, Shepard (everyone who's not an SJW) has to make a choice as to how to defeat the Reapers. Control (reasoning by demonstrating new ideas), Destroy (Dismissal and mockery), or synthesis (Globalisation, giving up individuality).

looking back at ME3 we kind of just shrugged it off as Bioware botching the ending with poor writing. Fast Forward 5 years and ME3's ending is the parallel story of Bioware's demise and an ironic social commentary of the illogical reasoning from the regressive left. Was Casey Hudson a Genius or is this just a strangely prophetic accident?

.... I mean the Reapers literally live in a safe space........


TLDR : Andromeda is the product of a failed change in ideology. SJW's just make everything worse. Reapers = Anita Sarkesian, Cerberus are a bunch of cucks.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 08, 2017, 02:07:34 am
I went to Ben Garrison's blog out of curiosity over how they were taking Trump's discovering that bombing stuff makes him feel big, saw this little gem:

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Has anyone else noticed that the chemtrails are intensifying since Trump took office, at first they completely stopped when Trump took office and at some point now there's day and night spraying all day every day.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on April 08, 2017, 04:12:25 am
I think my face is permanently affixed to my palm.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 08, 2017, 09:38:17 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ItXqaL3.png)

If this were somebody else, I might think it was just a harmless potshot at SJWs. But since I'm well aware of who Fischer is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Fischer), I can't read this as anything other than anti-LGBT.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on April 10, 2017, 09:26:09 pm
https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/851537523667070976


A guy not only defending United, but saying the people who recorded footage of the event were the ones in the wrong, not the police who beat a man bloody for refusing to leave the plane "voluntarily"

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 11, 2017, 02:18:11 am
One of two things needs to happen:

1. Overbooking needs to be banned, or

2. Airlines need to be required to find a bigger plane if everyone shows up for an overbooked flight.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2017, 08:53:01 am
Same thing with fucking busses; I, as well as a bunch of other people, got fucked over hard by Greyhound a few years back because keeping track of how many seats a schedule has at a given stop time is hard, somehow.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on April 11, 2017, 12:22:10 pm
Same thing with fucking busses; I, as well as a bunch of other people, got fucked over hard by Greyhound a few years back because keeping track of how many seats a schedule has at a given stop time is hard, somehow.

They're overbooked on purpose, Ravynous. It has nothing to do with how hard it is to keep track of the number of available seats.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2017, 01:00:33 pm
Oh, I know.  Still pisses me off.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 11, 2017, 05:00:45 pm
https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/851537523667070976


A guy not only defending United, but saying the people who recorded footage of the event were the ones in the wrong, not the police who beat a man bloody for refusing to leave the plane "voluntarily"



Yeah this guy is an idiot.

Ironbite-as is anyone "reporting" this.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 12, 2017, 01:03:01 am
So apparently on The Daily Stormer there's a civil war going on between the Globehead Nazis and the Flat Earth Nazis. 

From the Flat Earthers

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here is a challenge for all the non believers , somebody give me a picture of the earth that is not CGI
just one

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Science is the acquisition of knowledge capable of being reproduced.

You can’t reproduce Big Bang. It’s not science.

With flat earth, there are multiple lines of evidence that point in the same direction.

Many globe claims have been power of suggestion, reliance on authority, and black box frauds. As a thesis, flat earth is stronger in 2017 than 2007. …

Newton’s Third Law prohibits acceleration in space. You need a medium to move: floor, water, atmosphere. Space is not a medium. This would explain why NASA had to lie and fake a moon mission.

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If Jews and masons tell me I’m on a spinning ball moving through the universe at near lightspeed, I believe them because they are experts and my eyes are lying to me.

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I find it kinda shocking that so many people think we did. “The jews faked 6 million dead kikes with fake shower rooms, but faking the moon landing is impossible because of reasons.”

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Globe theory hatched from the Jews.
Do your research.
Jews, Jesuits and freemasons pushed the globe fantasy.

From the Globeheads

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What are all the thousands of photos of stars, galaxies and planets and why would they go to such extreme lengths to create such a dumb conspiracy? And why would they invent all of these apparently totally fictional satellites and go into great detail about their workings, specifications, and spend time making these elaborate and unnecessary ‘props’ in lab environments? Again, utterly stupid idea.

I can buy holocaust revisionism because that’s a conceivable lie. It’s about distorting the facts of something which already happened. … t’s very easy with a little examination to disprove the holohoax.

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Maybe I am weird but I HATE FLATEARTH MORE THAN CHILD RAPING PAVEMENT APES. Why in the hell is Anglin posting this crap? This is disgusting beyond words. … Is this humor? It doesn’t seem to have any entertainment value. Is the entire goal of this video just to irritate me personally?

Personally I hope they both fall off the edge of the flat earth and are never seen again.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on April 12, 2017, 01:15:33 am
https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/851537523667070976 (https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/851537523667070976)


A guy not only defending United, but saying the people who recorded footage of the event were the ones in the wrong, not the police who beat a man bloody for refusing to leave the plane "voluntarily"



Yeah this guy is an idiot.

Ironbite-as is anyone "reporting" this.




But wait, the saga continues.

https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/851994909217357824 (https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/851994909217357824)

https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/852021511493791745 (https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/852021511493791745)

The worst yet


https://twitter.com/RealDanHensley/status/852029639383855104

and in unrelated batshittery by the same guy...
https://twitter.com/tegiminis/status/851877827271995394 (https://twitter.com/tegiminis/status/851877827271995394)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 12, 2017, 01:21:46 am
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Harry Potter was perhaps the first major shitlib touchstone to vault willing cuckoldry into the wider culture as some kind of moral imperative; it was beta orbiter Snape, a man with the worst case of oneitis imaginable because he was in love with a dead woman who when alive wanted nothing to do with him, who vowed to look after Harry, (the child of his oneitis by another man Snape hated), out of a misplaced sense of loyalty and maybe hope for an afterlife consummation.

Literally “alpha fux and beta bux” from beyond the grave. What independent, empowered modern woman wouldn’t love that?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 12, 2017, 04:04:37 am
I had not heard about flat-earth-Nazis, but I know a script writer who might be looking for ideas for a third Iron Sky film...

EDIT: You left out the best bit:

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99% of people do not study epistemology and have no intellectual standards, so they do not know how to digest claims.

Science is the acquisition of knowledge capable of being reproduced.

You can't reproduce Big Bang. It's not science.

With flat earth, there are multiple lines of evidence that point in the same direction.

Many globe claims have been power of suggestion, reliance on authority, and black box frauds. As a thesis, flat earth is stronger in 2017 than 2007.

You can't land on a lightning bolt. You can't land on the "sun" or "stars" or "planets," if they are electromagnetic plasma formations. We don't normally deal with plasma, or understand its properties, or understand the connection between plasma and consciousness, in terms of the concept, field.

Newton's Third Law prohibits acceleration in space. You need a medium to move: floor, water, atmosphere. Space is not a medium. This would explain why NASA had to lie and fake a moon mission.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 12, 2017, 04:44:19 pm
I had not heard about flat-earth-Nazis, but I know a script writer who might be looking for ideas for a third Iron Sky film...

EDIT: You left out the best bit:

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99% of people do not study epistemology and have no intellectual standards, so they do not know how to digest claims.

Science is the acquisition of knowledge capable of being reproduced.

You can't reproduce Big Bang. It's not science.

With flat earth, there are multiple lines of evidence that point in the same direction.

Many globe claims have been power of suggestion, reliance on authority, and black box frauds. As a thesis, flat earth is stronger in 2017 than 2007.

You can't land on a lightning bolt. You can't land on the "sun" or "stars" or "planets," if they are electromagnetic plasma formations. We don't normally deal with plasma, or understand its properties, or understand the connection between plasma and consciousness, in terms of the concept, field.

Newton's Third Law prohibits acceleration in space. You need a medium to move: floor, water, atmosphere. Space is not a medium. This would explain why NASA had to lie and fake a moon mission.

Their ideological forefathers didn't understand biology, so I'm not surprised these chuckleheads don't understand geology. Or astronomy. Or physics. Or the fundamentals of science itself.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 15, 2017, 01:39:32 am
Now that I'm on my computer The_Donald reddit has got so many new threads that I can't find the relevant again (and I went over my limit of how much I can read that stuff) but they were defending the "Hitler didn't use chemical weapons" claim.

...Or more accurately they have changed the topic. None of them mention whether or not Hitler used chemical weapons, none of them mention the Holocaust and none of them actually talk about what Spicer said. Instead they were building a new narrative that the scandal over Spicer's words was about Spicer comparing Assad to Hitler and that the "Cucks" don't like it because they oppose everything that the Trump administration does even though some "Libruls" had already called Assad Hitler previously and this obviously means that the reals story is LIbrul flip-flopping and no one needs to think about what Spicer really said.

I seem to notice that they do this a lot. When something happens that makes them or Trump look bad they try to make a new story and ignore reality.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 15, 2017, 08:18:11 pm
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Yeah, this is where U.S. school choice programs are headed, and I do like the idea of creating competition in the primary education market... but I am keenly aware of how government funding tends to make institutions dependent on government. Just look at the private non-profit college market (particularly the religious institutions) here. They got hooked on publicly-backed student loans, and are finding themselves increasingly vulnerable to actual or proposed federal mandates that would require them to violate their mission (e.g. all-women's colleges having to admit individuals who were born with male anatomy). Or, hey, look at what's going on in Alberta, where Catholic schools are under increasing pressure from the government to repudiate Catholicism in order to stay open/funded.

Yes, shock, horror, at the thought that all-women's colleges might have to admit women! Or that schools might have to teach facts and not propagandistic doctrine!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2017, 10:27:30 am
This, dear children, is why I refuse to call religious educational institutions "schools."  It is quite clear that their goal is not the academic enrichment of their students, but to deepen the stranglehold their dogma has on young, impressionable minds.  Public schools might be utter shit, but at least they try to get some real, useful shit into your skulls.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 23, 2017, 08:26:52 am
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My ancestors fought to take this land from the Indians, then say whatever the hell they wanted to the Crown (in that case to stick it), fought to form our own nation, and then later to tell the Union to stick it. They then later fought in other wars because they were told to because do-good assholes wanted to get us involved in Europe.

None of them fought for these bullshit progressive causes you're talking about. You're a liar to say so.

What did your ancestors fight for? Did they fight in the Revolution? Do they know what the rights of Englishmen are or for whom this country was founded?

Alright:
Genocide? Perfectly ok.
The revolution in America? That was all about the FREEDOM OF SPEECH and nothing else.
US civil war? Also about FREEDOM OF SPEECH and nothing else.
The great war and subsequent wars: Completely unnecessary and USA should have let Hitler go on with the genocide and conquest have his FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 23, 2017, 10:48:47 am
Pssh, I got ties to the Mayflower on my mother's side, bitch.  While I'm glad we got out from under the British, I won't pretend it was about anything other than money.  Oh, also happy the North roflstomped the South like it deserved and that we helped force Hitler's syphilitic ass to death by self-immolation because, and this is important, HE WAS GOD DAMNED HITLER.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 01, 2017, 08:29:04 am
I wonder how USA celebrates international workers day?

(http://i.imgur.com/J0gFODV.jpg)

Oh yes, the daily pledge to the flag to remain subservient to the government and the one true Christian faith.

Just like any other day.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 01, 2017, 08:42:06 pm
can't let the communists win, y'know
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 05, 2017, 04:30:54 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/zRx94DW55X0rdSoNsltcUk81mmjl5gynVVGayX5H3TM.jpg?w=509&s=8c0643f9ddf3dea51a11717e2daca9c2)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 05, 2017, 12:02:01 pm
Brace yourselves, this one is a doozy

(http://i2.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/cuckkkkCens600.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SomeApe on May 05, 2017, 01:15:22 pm
"Kind and sweet personality"

Suuure, that's what you're after, yeaaah...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 05, 2017, 01:57:58 pm
...................................................WHAT IN THE FUCK!?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 05, 2017, 02:04:30 pm
I hope all this person's daughters are lesbians.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on May 05, 2017, 02:37:12 pm
I think that would make it worse.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on May 05, 2017, 04:32:06 pm
I hope if this person has daughters, should they be into guys, they date the most muscled up jock and invite him over...especially if his actual name is Chad.

Guy: So my name is Chad, your daughter's really nice and we had a great first date.

Married Lunatic: BLAAAAAAAARGHLFAAAAAARGLE (further sounds of foaming at the mouth)

Maximum the nightmare for the lunatic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 05, 2017, 10:28:13 pm
I would've thought raising someone else's daughter would be the ultimate cuckoldry. If it's your own, the by definition it doesn't count.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 06, 2017, 01:32:22 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/odeX_NVbtI_d7SSxXiH1ODW0KE0hxGJmHEF8QZfi8j0.png?w=432&s=b307fa23e205e8ea0401c7311044e956)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 06, 2017, 01:58:34 am
Yeah, because destroying their most holy relic wouldn't just absolutely piss all of them off, and the murder of tens of thousands of civilians wouldn't piss everybody else in the world at us.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 06, 2017, 02:12:14 am
Yeah, because destroying their most holy relic wouldn't just absolutely piss all of them off, and the murder of tens of thousands of civilians wouldn't piss everybody else in the world at us.



You are missing the point. If you kill every single brown person Muslim in the world then there won't be anyone left to be mad at USA.

...What's that? You would have to kill millions of people all over the world and even if succesfull this genocide would anger people who aren't even Muslims? Nonsense. These people are pro-genocide when the victims are of different ethnic group or ideology and can't understand why people who aren't from the victim group would get upset. Kinda like when Niam suggested killing the rich and didn't get it why the rest of us didn't think that murder is a good idea even if we don't like some of the victims.

EDIT: Straight from Teh Donald:

(https://i.redditmedia.com/6pBt15qzz0WQJuGGFhUzjQNmJlySY1n1FcXLf9LlgQw.jpg?w=750&s=8d845854dc76f0aec08b03db27b83be5)

Note that the comment on the top is what they posted. That is not something that some media or SJW said, they are literally trying to troll LGBT people by making the rainbow flag a joke symbol of theirs.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 06, 2017, 02:39:03 am
Teeechnically on the internet? it was an email I got in response to calling my rep the other day, urging him to vote against the AHCA (he didn't listen)
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 06, 2017, 02:51:50 am
...Could you give that email to some media (or Democrat party) so that they can call them on their bullshit?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 06, 2017, 02:59:37 am
...Could you give that email to some media (or Democrat party) so that they can call them on their bullshit?

Everyone copy this link:

http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=7082.msg308027#msg308027

...and post it on whatever social media accounts you have tagging whatever media/politicians you can think of, maybe?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 06, 2017, 03:29:13 am
Sure, where could I send it, though?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 06, 2017, 03:46:35 am
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447365/jimmy-kimmel-baby-son-health-care-empathy (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447365/jimmy-kimmel-baby-son-health-care-empathy).

I'm DONE. Fuck. This.


The headline is "The Dangers of Empathy"




The DANGERS of EMPATHY. What the FUCK.




Direct quote. "Adolf Hitler was a master of empathy — for ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland, Austria, and elsewhere. The cause of nationalist empathy for the German tribe triggered profound moral blindness for the plight, and even the humanity, of Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 06, 2017, 04:30:02 am
Note how after comparing Kimmel to Hitler and BLM movement (because both are bad mkay?) he complains that using this kind of emotional appeal is bad because it prevents people from having a rational conversation...

Also note how the writer seems to think that people in USA would not feel sympathy towards asians if they were in danger while they would naturally feel sympathy for British...

a) That is in very real way racist.

b) Not everyone in USA is of British descent.

EDIT: also the writer either is either deliberately misleading or doesn't know that poor people exist. He implies that babies can always use the insurance of their parents... What if the parents can't afford an insurance? And wasn't that the entire point in Kimmel's monologue? Just because the parents are poor we shouldn't let kids, babies, die when we can easily avoid it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SomeApe on May 06, 2017, 12:05:52 pm
His definition of empathy is also wrong.
"Empathy is the ability to feel what someone else is feeling."
No, it's the ability to recognise what someone else is feeling.

Then later he changes the definition: “If you feel bad for someone who is bored, that’s sympathy,” writes Yale psychologist Paul Bloom in his brave and brilliant new book, Against Empathy: The Case for Rational Compassion, “but if you feel bored, that’s empathy.”
What a bullshit is that?

Also, if someone has more sympathy for Palestinians than Israelis, it's bad.
If an American has more sympathy for English people than Asians, it's good.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 06, 2017, 12:13:03 pm
Sure, where could I send it, though?

Sanders and Warren for politicians (maybe a few others like Franken). Whatever left-leaning independent media you can think of, for media.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Wurdulac on May 06, 2017, 12:30:55 pm
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447365/jimmy-kimmel-baby-son-health-care-empathy (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447365/jimmy-kimmel-baby-son-health-care-empathy).

I'm DONE. Fuck. This.


The headline is "The Dangers of Empathy"




The DANGERS of EMPATHY. What the FUCK.




Direct quote. "Adolf Hitler was a master of empathy — for ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland, Austria, and elsewhere. The cause of nationalist empathy for the German tribe triggered profound moral blindness for the plight, and even the humanity, of Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs."

Well the article was written by Jonah Goldberg (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jonah_Goldberg), so there's your explanation for why it's shit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 06, 2017, 01:55:13 pm
Okay I can sort of see the argument that a sob story can cloud reason, but the spotlighting "our people" bit makes no sense whatsoever.   The problems that come from say Jews only having empathy for Israelis and Muslims only for Palestinians are due to a lack of empathy.  The problem isn't feeling for our people, it's not having empathy for the enemy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 10, 2017, 01:40:13 am
http://foreignlanguagestudyoptions.blogspot.fi/2011/04/why-not-to-study-spanish.html?m=1

Let's see, we have claims that anyone speaking Spanish is stupid. Like literally claims that nations where people speak Spanish people have lower IQs. And that special type of racism where everyone should stick to their own group and avoid any kinds of mixing.

Oddly enough he says that people with ancestors who spoke Spanish SHOULD learn Spanish because ancestry trumps everything else. So at least he is a consistent kind of racist.

Can't be bothered to point out all his mistakes because there's just so many. Like right from the start:
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1. Very little of value has been written in Spanish. On the typical occidental Great Books reading list, only one piece of literature, Don Quixote, makes the cut. Minor languages, like Icelandic or Gaelic, have produced more enduring works of literature.

I am going to guess that he hasn't even tried to read important Spanish scientific or literary works.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SomeApe on May 10, 2017, 02:21:11 am
http://foreignlanguagestudyoptions.blogspot.fi/2011/04/why-not-to-study-spanish.html?m=1

Let's see, we have claims that anyone speaking Spanish is stupid. Like literally claims that nations where people speak Spanish people have lower IQs. And that special type of racism where everyone should stick to their own group and avoid any kinds of mixing.

Oddly enough he says that people with ancestors who spoke Spanish SHOULD learn Spanish because ancestry trumps everything else. So at least he is a consistent kind of racist.

Can't be bothered to point out all his mistakes because there's just so many. Like right from the start:
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1. Very little of value has been written in Spanish. On the typical occidental Great Books reading list, only one piece of literature, Don Quixote, makes the cut. Minor languages, like Icelandic or Gaelic, have produced more enduring works of literature.

I am going to guess that he hasn't even tried to read important Spanish scientific or literary works.

Points 5 and 7 are very telling. Clearly racist.

Why does he mention Hebrew of all things in point 2?
Ah, he wants to say they're even worse than the jews. Asshole.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 10, 2017, 05:52:03 pm
http://foreignlanguagestudyoptions.blogspot.fi/2011/04/why-not-to-study-spanish.html?m=1

Let's see, we have claims that anyone speaking Spanish is stupid. Like literally claims that nations where people speak Spanish people have lower IQs. And that special type of racism where everyone should stick to their own group and avoid any kinds of mixing.

Oddly enough he says that people with ancestors who spoke Spanish SHOULD learn Spanish because ancestry trumps everything else. So at least he is a consistent kind of racist.

Can't be bothered to point out all his mistakes because there's just so many. Like right from the start:
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1. Very little of value has been written in Spanish. On the typical occidental Great Books reading list, only one piece of literature, Don Quixote, makes the cut. Minor languages, like Icelandic or Gaelic, have produced more enduring works of literature.

I am going to guess that he hasn't even tried to read important Spanish scientific or literary works.

...Spanish has the second-most number of native speakers and the fourth-most number of total speakers of all languages. That seems like a relevant fact completely omitted by this list.

(nah, of course it's not relevant, this is a list compiled for people for whom language learning is a status move and not a tool for communicating with other human beings)

gonna bet I have a higher IQ than the author. not that I'm taking it personally or anything
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 11, 2017, 08:19:29 am
Shiny, shiny mirrors.


https://twitter.com/rustyboy1973/status/862616487252676608
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Søren on May 13, 2017, 10:11:46 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/6auaey/anne_frank_memorial_in_idaho_vandalized/

Scroll to the bottom hidden comment. Proof that vegans are the worst
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on May 14, 2017, 03:34:06 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/6auaey/anne_frank_memorial_in_idaho_vandalized/

Scroll to the bottom hidden comment. Proof that vegans are the worst

Seeing this kind of comments in the Internet make me wonder: is this type of vegan mainly an American phenomenon? When I studied ethnology many of my fellow students were vegans (the subject attracts a lot of hippie types) but I never heard any of them preaching to me or other omnivores. It's interesting to see how much of an issue it is elsewhere but I don't know how large my bubble is where people treat each other with respect no matter their choice of diet.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 14, 2017, 06:15:12 am
Probably.  America leads the world when it comes to petty pricks.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 15, 2017, 06:18:27 am
http://imgur.com/gallery/gvZ55

Some people are just horrible...

I would like to mention that some jackass defended them because "it takes a man" to take abuse (and knife-attacks) from a woman and if you can't take it then you are a pussy. (He was a guy and he seemed to think that sex is enough to counterbalance all the negative aspects of domestic violence...)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SomeApe on May 15, 2017, 07:35:36 am
Sounds like my ex.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 15, 2017, 09:33:22 am
Don't be surprised when your husbands fucking blow your brains out or take a god damned meat cleaver to your faces​, you stupid cunts.  You hit an animal enough times, it will bite the fuck back.  And, trust me, you might think you're a "badass, crazy bitch," but you corner a person with violence like that, and they will show you what fuckin crazy actually is, you piles of subhuman shit.

No, I don't tolerate bullying and abuse of any kind, why do you ask?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 16, 2017, 01:12:50 pm
https://twitter.com/MichaelCohen212/status/863913873400836097

Michael Cohen, a lawyer for Donald Trump, posted an image of his daughter in lingerie.

As if it wasn't creepy enough that Trump wants to fuck Ivanka...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 16, 2017, 01:59:19 pm
At first I got the impression that Cohen posted a picture of Trump's daughter and thought that although some people are creeped out by age differences, at least that is way less creepy than the guy who seems to lust after his own daughter.

But of course it was worse than that.

Speaking of age differences... Anyone notice the Macron memes? Huge deal made out of him being married to a wife who is 20 years older. Lots of men in politics have wives who are (at least) 20 years younger then their husband but that does not cause outrage.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 16, 2017, 03:37:15 pm
That's because it's to be expected.  In Wester society, it's common to see a younger woman shacking up with an older man in search of fame.  Cause that's what you do.  To see the opposite kinda throws people off.

Ironbite-and they don't like being thrown off.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on May 16, 2017, 04:11:13 pm
Didn't originate in the webs but found it in Imgur and got badly disappointed in Freeman. I looked it up and it is a real interview from three years ago. A prime example of survivorship bias.

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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 16, 2017, 10:12:39 pm
Speaking of age differences... Anyone notice the Macron memes? Huge deal made out of him being married to a wife who is 20 years older. Lots of men in politics have wives who are (at least) 20 years younger then their husband but that does not cause outrage.

They also got involved when he was a) a teenager and b) her student.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 16, 2017, 10:22:38 pm
Speaking of age differences... Anyone notice the Macron memes? Huge deal made out of him being married to a wife who is 20 years older. Lots of men in politics have wives who are (at least) 20 years younger then their husband but that does not cause outrage.

They also got involved when he was a) a teenager and b) her student.

That has to be the most French thing ever.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 17, 2017, 01:16:17 am
a) The official story is that they did NOT get involved when they had a student-teacher relationship. Not for his lack of trying, but she turned down his advances. Then years later he came to see her again and they hooked up.

b)
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Hidden because I still don't know how to resize images.

I do agree with him that everyone should buy a dress but I don't really understand why he has such a strict definition on who it or isn't a barber. (Since those striped poles aren't a thing in Finland we most likely don't have many who would qualify.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 17, 2017, 01:55:59 am
Don't forget that he was making advances on her when she was married.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 17, 2017, 02:05:33 am
Don't forget that he was making advances on her when she was married.


Well THAT at least is a French thing to do. HAHA NEGATIVE AND HARMFUL STEREOTYPES!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 17, 2017, 06:13:25 pm
a) The official story is that they did NOT get involved when they had a student-teacher relationship. Not for his lack of trying, but she turned down his advances. Then years later he came to see her again and they hooked up.

Source? I can find claims that they did not have sex while he was a minor, but you don't need sex to have a relationship. I have not seen anything about them not being involved (and in fact his parents certainly thought something was happening, they sent him away to a different school at because of it)

also, not to put too fine a point on it, the official story would necessarily say that she didn't break the law*. Doesn't mean anything.

*age of consent is 15 in France, but it's still illegal to have sex with a minor if you're in a position of authority over them
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 18, 2017, 03:06:36 pm
Ok, after checking things it turns out that I was wrong. They did start an affair when he was 15 but have publicly stated that they did not have sex until he was older. My mistake.

(Ok, their relationship is creepier than I thought, she should not have dated a student, sex or no sex.)

Meanwhile elsewhere...

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6bpbct/seems_like_shareblue_transformed_this_sub_into/

T_D is attacking r/conspiracy and projecting like a boss. The same group that is even right now Doxxing several doctors and other medical personnel and organizing attacks on people is now complaining about everyone else being mean to them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fuckthealtright/comments/6bt2s9/a_spokesman_for_seth_richs_family_said_there_is_a/

T_D is spreading conspiracy bullshit about a dead man and harassing his family.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6bx71r/announcement_we_keep_reddit_alive_but_reddit_is/

T_D has declared war on Reddit as one of their mods makes threats against Reddit employees while stating that he has a gun (and bragging about his gun-fu skills) because he is afraid that people might attack him (or maybe it was just another reminder that his vague threat to harm the Reddit employees is threat to use that gun and skills.) Also they routinely brigade other subreddits but now they are crying because they think other subreddits are brigading them in turn...


And in a rare non-Trump related news:

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/6bute2/scottsdalephoenix_arizona_i_was_assaulted_with/

Guy beats up a person who makes little to no resistance and now asks if he could sue them since they broke their own arm while punching the other person. Also constant and totally unrelated bragging and strange sentence structures everywhere.

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He backs up and grabs his phone and calls 911. I get transferred to now Phoenix Police because I'm about 1/2 mile over the city jurisdiction. I then start to talk to the dispatch on the phone, when the man rushes me and grabs my Jersey (I still have it with his blood), he tried to 'hockey fight' me... (backstory, I'm was raised by an M.P. and a Firefighter, I can play any sport but tennis...) so of course it didn't work.

I want to remind you all my mom is standing right there... she yells "ASSAULT"...

I went boxing mode. I punched him 2x in the face. (Boxer fracture right hand).

He bleed over me. I knew he was not going to stop after he tried to stick in thumb in my left eye (I'm left eye dominate), and grab my testicles.

EDIT: And more on the same theme.

T_D threatened to leave Reddit and migrate to Voat but this has two problems...

a) Voat is going to shut down any moment. They don't get enough donations to support it and not many companies want to put ads there so ad money is not helping either.

b) The Trump-fans on Voat don't want the "cucks and Jews" from Reddit:
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...The Schadenfreude is quite pleasant actually.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/VzbN9gupkkXp6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 27, 2017, 08:11:12 pm
r/incels react to Manchester. (http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2017/05/24/the-stacies-got-what-they-deserved-reddit-incels-mock-the-victims-in-manchester/)

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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on May 28, 2017, 11:42:26 am
You know, this is why these gits will never get laid, not because girls don't go for "nice guys" or because they are gamers  or because they're nerds, no they won't get laid cause they are horrible, horrible human beings, who the concept of empathy have apparently completely vacated from their brains.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 31, 2017, 05:00:06 am
https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/fake-antifa-twitter-accounts?utm_term=.ql6yB2lJj#.htYoGvMln

Fake accounts are making up stories about Antifa vandalizing graves during memorial day.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 03, 2017, 02:55:34 am
I was just reading about a guy on Prison Planet celebrating Trump pulling out of the Paris agreement by turning up the heat in his home to full blast all day in the middle of summer because it would "piss of libtards".

If I told him it would really make us mad if he hit himself in the crotch with a baseball bat, do you think he'd do it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 03, 2017, 02:59:14 am
I was just reading about a guy on Prison Planet celebrating Trump pulling out of the Paris agreement by turning up the heat in his home to full blast all day in the middle of summer because it would "piss of libtards".
It'll certainly piss of the genuine "libtards" who don't know how the power grid works, and I, as an environmentalist myself, am perfectly okay with that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on June 03, 2017, 03:34:21 am
I don't care. I hope he gives himself a heat stroke, or ruins some part of his flooring, though. It'd be kinda funny.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 03, 2017, 08:54:48 am
Prolly gonna burn out his heating unit.  If he's using gas, not only will his bill be thru the roof, but too much stress on whatever turns the gas to flame will eventually weaken the steel from which its likely made, which could lead to a gas leak and massive fire hazard.  If its electrical, then its likely using a resistive heating element (like what you get with regular electric stoves); either the contacts between it and the mains will weaken and break loose, ruining the element, or it could weaken, deform, and short out, starting a fire.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 04, 2017, 07:57:47 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/BsjjjKVbKUdb73ZRQa6bUHXyACaijtyIcY8x-XDckn0.jpg?w=812&s=8d145ff469825fdcc113eaee776d7958)

There's exactly one thing that is funny here. That some editor selected these jokes and thought that putting a transphobic joke next to a joke that claims that Democrats lost the elections because they falsely accused Trump voters of being transphobes (and other things. Also Democrats are apparently lizardmen.)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 10, 2017, 12:57:37 pm
Not internet but nowhere else to put this:

(http://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/dearest.jpg)

This is a letter a christian has been handing out to women who gave him an erection.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on June 10, 2017, 03:29:47 pm
STILL CREEPY EVERY TIME I SEE IT!

Ironbite-you can smell the fedora.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 10, 2017, 04:56:39 pm
STILL CREEPY EVERY TIME I SEE IT!

Ironbite-you can smell the fedora.

Well, for me, a different kind of hat comes to mind:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MPFHGwo2QFQ/T80VnhcJdzI/AAAAAAAABTE/n76HGvjTr-A/s400/intro.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Søren on June 13, 2017, 01:10:18 am
I managed to piss off a....thing...on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EniUjaONcq4&lc=z12odx1arqbwidgg204cd3gp4unigp4zl4o.1497327348401845

This video discusses the concept of microcheating, i take umbrage with the saying because its not cheating, just questionable behaviour. People went spastic because of the term. I posted "everybody here doesnt understand basic context"

I got this
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Are you fucking seriously say that anything this 2 moron said is true? Because if you do you are not only an extremely stupid person "no quote here" or you have VERY BIG ISSUES with self confidence.
Either way you are fucking stupid if you think that ANYTHING these clowns are said are true.
Especially mr. love and lovemaking master here which is LMAO must be really true just look at the guy and just listen to him for a few seconds.
Everything he says about his personal life is a complete fucking lie. This loser is either virgin or only had 1 MAXIMUM 2 relationship and he was such a pussy with these micro bullshit that they were rather cheating on him which I HONESTLY can understand.
Show less

I replied
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Wow,  you're a ragey little reactionary aren't ya

I got this back
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If people are stupid like you, sure I'am. You could say that I'm ALLERGIC to the amount of bullshit you people can come up with and it's trying to listen to your fucking SJW-Feminist fucking bullshit.
And do you know what's even worse? You encourage people to be little oversensitive PUSSIES instead of teaching them TRUE values and teaching them that NOT everyone will like or tolerate their bullshit in life. That you teach them that they are special when they are not but if they happened to be a white male (I'm not white before you bringing that up) they should be ASHAMED of themselves.
Your kind of people CLOSED an Elementary Catholic School ONLY because they didn't want to teach FUCKING SECOND GRADERS how do the gay people make love and how many shitty made up mentally challenged genders exist when in fact there is ONLY 2.
IT get's FUCKING annoying to see how weak kids and even man are nowadays that if I hit them in their shoulder out of affection they are crying like little pussies instead of giving me back and have a good manly laugh.
It's fucking annoying that people now about more micro aggression and safe space than what the C.I.A did back in the 60's when they literally find how to successfully brainwash and Mind Control people.
FUN FACT they even come CLEAN about this fact and OFFICIALLY released the documents for ANYONE to read about it under MK ULTRA but people are rather read about what a degenerate ugly fat loser says about feminism and about how many rights and "privilege" a white man has.
All the while you don't even fucking recognize how wrong EVERYTHING you fucking idiots are bring up and teach to those poor kids who want to belong to somewhere and don't want to be alone all the time.
Only ONE good thing comes out from this whole bullshit and it is that when there is a PC t-shirt wearing moron who hits the gym everyday to be huge I can actually tell them that they are still overgrown little pussies and that the while system is build upon lies and special rights system. It really makes me laugh a lot at how concerned they are if they should start to fight with me or not because  by your bullshit "system" I'm one of the WORST(least) privileged person. I could use those "special rights" but you know what? I'm not a pussy.
I want to work and prove the world that everything I have I got it myself and I didn't belong to the pussified generation.
Oh and yes I did have a luck a few time and I could actually piss some PC guys off in the gym that they actually did fight with me. Those few times were one if the best things I've ever experienced. To push those fucking losers so hard that they either couldn't get up or they had some kind bullshit CRYING about me breaking their ribs.
This is where we are in this fucking world. Even those who go the gyms are STILL FUCKING PUSSIES.They don't even know how to fight and how to protect themselves.

TL;DR
Your kind of people ruin everything including the little children. Last time they clsoed a fucking catholic school because according to one of those disgusting looking landwhales kids in the 2ND FUCKING GRADE should be aware how many degenerated mentally ill genders exist and even further that fucking whale were angry because they didn't teach them how to make love with those kind of people.
Other than that EVERY KID and EVEN THE MAN nowadays are a fucking joke. You fucking made them little oversensitive pussies.
But not only their personality. Even those retarded fucks PC people who go to the GYM are STILL a fucking joke. I told to that they are all oversensitive pussies a few months ago just to see if they would stand up against me.
First they didn't want to hurt me because I have an extremely small almost non existent privilege being a FUCKING GYPSY. I could cry and have a movement to have more right for Gypsy's who DOESN'T have currently any country or rights and is hated all around the words and have no country to live in.
But when they finally decided to fight me a little bit from the GYM I could fucking believe what I've seen even now that I was still very weak and was still far away from being healthy.
Even that was I punched one of them who passed out. I punched the other one who had a broken rib. The other one was so scared that I just couldn't bother with him and just punched in the stomach.
And while it made me feel AMAZING to beats those little fuckholes up I also felt ashamed of how extremely weak they were. It was unbelievable.
And that is ALL your fault!!! You the brain damaged zombie like oversensitive pussies who ruin the children and EVERYTHING ELSE too!!!!!




Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on June 13, 2017, 05:47:39 pm
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Oh and yes I did have a luck a few time and I could actually piss some PC guys off in the gym that they actually did fight with me. Those few times were one if the best things I've ever experienced. To push those fucking losers so hard that they either couldn't get up or they had some kind bullshit CRYING about me breaking their ribs.

Did ... this YouTube commenter actually break someone's ribs? Because that's no joke, considering that your ribs are on top of your heart; you can puncture it that way.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 14, 2017, 05:43:24 pm
Christine M. Flowers of philly.com wants all of us to think about the real victims of Cosby's sexual assault:  Bill Cosby and his fans.


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The greatest damage has already been done, and that is the shattering of beloved myths and comforting relationships by the proxy of television and nostalgia. Bill Cosby is Cliff Huxtable, regardless of what the critics say. … It is ridiculous to argue that a man who was capable of creating the character that fathered a generation did not, at some deep level, possess those nurturing characteristics.

And yes, he is an adulterer who admitted to giving women drugs for sex. He has confessed in a secular confessional to betraying the trust of his wife, and perhaps of the women who considered him a mentor before he moved them to another spot on the sliding scale of human interaction.  But I am allowed to refuse to believe that it includes rape.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 15, 2017, 01:09:24 am
Dave Prowse is Darth Vader. It is ridiculous to argue that a man who was capable of creating the character that is known as one of the greatest villains in history of film did not, at some deep level, possess the skills to force choke a bitch.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 23, 2017, 03:09:58 am
https://m.imgur.com/a/5gO4x

Rapist defending his actions by saying "she was asking for it."

After a long thread of claiming that "Democrats are the real racists because they started the KKK" one Alt-Righter finally steps on his tongue:
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Not that I am, but what's wrong with being nationalist? You realize white nationalist=/= white supremacist.

What do you have against individual cultures? If you force every culture mix you have no culture left. I believe every nation should have their own culture, I don't believe in a global culture because that's the idea of a racist democrat.

The world is a beautiful rainbow of cultures, beliefs, and people. What you want is to mix all those into some big pile of nothing, where everyone loses their culture and what makes them unique.

No really, he had like pages worth of copypastas about how Dems are "literally keeping slaves" by saying that minorities should be allowed to vote without an ID (also a claim that most minority members have an ID that lets them buy alcohol but not one that lets them vote which seems like yet another dogwhistle attempt at making them look bad. Without doing a check I am going to assume that the average check needed for a bottle of booze is not as tough as the one needed for voting...)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 01, 2017, 12:07:56 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDf4hDoXkAAdJMF.jpg)

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Miss Helsinki 2017...evidence Whites R being replaced...#whitegenocide #whitelivesmatter#pegida #diversity #ukip #waronwhites#antiwhite

Finding Black women attractive is genocide somehow.

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If #WhiteGenocide isn't real then why is #Obama referred to as black and not mixed race?

I'm going with because moron's like you consider everyone who is slightly darker skinned to be an identical mass of evil foreigners.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 01, 2017, 12:40:41 am
I am trying to remember the fuss when Lola Odusoga won the Miss Finland and Miss Scandinavia titles... That was 20 years ago. Her father is Nigerian so granted that she is no more black than Obama, but although she got more news than the average beauty contest winner I don't seem to remember much hate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Odusoga
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 01, 2017, 12:46:02 am
Although I should mention another, even more terrible force for White Genocide:

CATS!

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The globalists are using cats to depopulate whites. Because cats act as surrogate babies they cause white women to not want to have kids. Cats are like a parasite that sucks the maternal instinct from white women.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 01, 2017, 09:11:44 am
Can't drain a dry river, bitch!  Of course, I expect such fine thinking and eloquence from a 1st grade dropout whose pastimes include drinking "beer" and fucking his sister.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 01, 2017, 07:59:18 pm
Why you shouldn't poll people on what sort of policies they want:

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The problem with these polls is the questions are one-sided.

Do you like X? (Y/N) or some variant thereof.

There's never any consideration of the cost of X, or the impact of X on the person being asked the question. Since presumably the person being polled would consider those things to some degree (accuracy of assumptions notwithstanding), not working that facet into the question makes it difficult to draw meaningful conclusions.

Here's a better way to do it: Give income ranges equal to the five quintiles and get that demographic information. Then, ask everyone: what percentage of your income would you be willing to pay in taxes to ensure that X is funded.

Poll that type of question across all of the major budget drivers and you could actually get an idea of what people of all income levels are willing to pay for their government and what type of revenues would be popularly available.

Not that this type of question should DRIVE the budgeting process, but it would definitely be a good way to INFORM the budgeting process.

In response to this poll:

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2470

Which found that, for instance, Trumpcare, cutting Planned Parenthood's funding, and cutting Medicaid are really unpopular, while implementing a universal background check for gun sales and expanding Medicare to cover everyone are really popular.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on July 02, 2017, 12:00:48 am
Except that it actually does sort of make sense. Not that bad at all.

Sure, it's going to result in one-sided answers too, but no poll is perfect.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 06, 2017, 03:16:35 am
http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-west-hartford-trump-morely-school-steven-marks-20170705-story.html


"Ooops."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 06, 2017, 07:51:15 am
What in the world was he thinking?  Like what the fuck man?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 06, 2017, 08:18:12 am
What in the world was he thinking?  Like what the fuck man?

Remember how conspiracy theorists love to scream about "false flag?"

That is what this was. He wrote death threats to Trump so that he and other Trump-supporters could then say that it is the leftists who are violent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 07, 2017, 06:31:08 pm
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I, too, tend to think that one person's beliefs should not be shoved down another person's throat, especially on pain of the government threatening to step in and assign massive fines if you refuse to swallow. That's why I support Masterpiece Cakeshop.

In reference to Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado.

Same-sex marriage is not a belief; it's secular law.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on July 07, 2017, 11:41:47 pm
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I, too, tend to think that one person's beliefs should not be shoved down another person's throat, especially on pain of the government threatening to step in and assign massive fines if you refuse to swallow. That's why I support Masterpiece Cakeshop.

In reference to Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado.

Same-sex marriage is not a belief; it's secular law.

For firm heterosexuals, their choice of wording is quite... awkward.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 08, 2017, 01:32:34 am
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I, too, tend to think that one person's beliefs should not be shoved down another person's throat, especially on pain of the government threatening to step in and assign massive fines if you refuse to swallow. That's why I support Masterpiece Cakeshop.

In reference to Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado.

Same-sex marriage is not a belief; it's secular law.

For firm heterosexuals, their choice of wording is quite... awkward.

In fairness, it was after I posted this image:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-7-JdmXUAA4zHS.jpg)

and commented that I would have replaced the second one with "do not shove it down children's throats".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 11, 2017, 07:34:15 am
There have been new and exciting developments in incel-land. One guy has decided not to go down the well-worn path of threatening to off people if he can't get a girlfriend. Instead he's going on a hunger strike if the wicked government won't give him a girlfriend.
(click to show/hide)

This other Incel-er thinks public displays of affection are akin to starvation.
(click to show/hide)
Except it's involuntary starvation, which is what involuntary celibacy is exactly like, apparently.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 14, 2017, 11:30:28 pm
Question:  Should we encourage people to be Organ Donors by giving them fresh corpses of attractive women for necrophilia?

The answer is yes.

(http://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/dead-e1500054677104.png)

I assume he's fine with straight female and gay male incels fucking him after he dies, because Incels are never giant hypocrites.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on July 14, 2017, 11:40:28 pm
I could make so many, many Ramsay Bolton jokes about that it is not even funny.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 15, 2017, 03:42:53 pm
................................................WAIT WHAT THE FUCK!?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Zygarde on July 15, 2017, 06:01:58 pm
Oh, Incels, you remind me of why I hate sex.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2017, 07:36:03 pm
I find this very confusing because like. Sex work is a thing. If you want sex as opposed to emotional intimacy this is a mostly solved problem.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 15, 2017, 08:39:24 pm
I find this very confusing because like. Sex work is a thing. If you want sex as opposed to emotional intimacy this is a mostly solved problem.

Keep in mind that in the US prostitution is banned in most places (except Nevada, and there it's only legal in less populous counties, and you can't do sex work there if you've done it elsewhere).

Up here, selling sex is legal, but buying it is illegal.

So you're running a definite risk by going to a sex worker, depending on what part of the world you're in.

Although if the Supreme Court finds in favour of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado, I can't wait for people to claim it's their sincere religious belief that they have to have sex with prostitutes whenever possible.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 15, 2017, 09:33:24 pm
And it costs money to hire a prostitute.  Women owe these Nice Guys sex for free.  The fact that they don't proves what whores they are.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on July 15, 2017, 10:00:38 pm
I find this very confusing because like. Sex work is a thing. If you want sex as opposed to emotional intimacy this is a mostly solved problem.

You know, if sex is what they want, they can simply go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2017, 10:10:44 pm
I find this very confusing because like. Sex work is a thing. If you want sex as opposed to emotional intimacy this is a mostly solved problem.

Keep in mind that in the US prostitution is banned in most places (except Nevada, and there it's only legal in less populous counties, and you can't do sex work there if you've done it elsewhere).

Up here, selling sex is legal, but buying it is illegal.

So you're running a definite risk by going to a sex worker, depending on what part of the world you're in.

Although if the Supreme Court finds in favour of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado, I can't wait for people to claim it's their sincere religious belief that they have to have sex with prostitutes whenever possible.

Sex work still happens quite a bit in places where it's illegal. Yes, there is risk (and monetary expense) but it's still much easier to implement than a corpsefucking scheme.

Also I was trying to look for r/incels's view on sex work and this is their rule #2 :
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2) No laziness. Know what the subreddit is about and don't define incel as merely a lack of sex that can be fixed by going to a prostitute.

So, y'know. Even whoever writes their rules agrees that this is not a sex qua sex thing.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 15, 2017, 11:31:34 pm
I find this very confusing because like. Sex work is a thing. If you want sex as opposed to emotional intimacy this is a mostly solved problem.
Sex isn't really what they want so much as the status of having sex with the "right" people.

Hollywood promised them a hawtie and they feel like losers if they don't "have" one.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on July 16, 2017, 12:15:52 am
Yes, but if there is no corpsefuckery, how can the Incels join Ramsay Bolton's Twenty Good Men?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 16, 2017, 02:48:22 am
Yes, but if there is no corpsefuckery, how can the Incels join Ramsay Bolton's Twenty Good Men?
Look man, I don't know what shagging corpses while starving yourself in a publicized protest to shag the living achieves exactly.

As far as thought out plans go, it's more on par with Stannis Baratheon's anyway.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 20, 2017, 04:38:40 am
Stay classy T_D, stay classy...

(click to show/hide)

I wonder if OP realized what kind of crowd he had gotten into?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 20, 2017, 03:35:55 pm
You know the moment a group starts using "virtue signaling" unironically is the moment a group loses all credibility.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 20, 2017, 04:43:05 pm
You know the moment a group starts using "virtue signaling" unironically is the moment a group loses all credibility.

The concept is based on the belief that people can't really be nice and are merely pretending. To me it just seems like projecting...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on July 20, 2017, 04:50:50 pm
The concept is based on the belief that people can't really be nice and are merely pretending. To me it just seems like projecting...

It's not like "pretending to be nice" isn't a thing that happens. But who in their right mind could honestly believe that half the voting population is made up entirely of Nice Voters (tm)?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 20, 2017, 05:31:43 pm
(looks suspiciously at KiwiFarms, r/incels, and r/the_donald)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 28, 2017, 12:10:01 pm
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As far as scientific opinion, this is another case where the similarity to climate warming theory comes in play.

The liberal side stifles and suppresses any research that contradicts their viewpoints and refuses to provide the raw data and their testing methodology then expects everyone else to accept it as scientific law. This kind of behavior is why many independents and right wing folks have plenty of justifiable ridicule of liberal scientific theories.

That and it doesn't help when your most visible proponents flew into town in a private jet to lecture on why everyone should live frugually

Comparing gender identity to climate change.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 29, 2017, 01:56:11 pm
Today in Incel's are the worst we've got livinginhell101 who has a brilliant plan to replace women's brains with those of dogs.
(http://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/dogs1-e1501206036223.png)
(http://i1.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/dog2-e1501206123483.png)

I should add that he is also a flat earther and claims to be gender transition (despite not being trans) because he thinks he'll have an easier time getting sex.

“I have been on estrogen for about 6 months now. It all started when I got my new therapist three months before that. Who referred me to a new general practitioner he knows. Obviously I told him nothing about being incel or hating females. Only that I always felt like a girl, which was a massive lie. I just wanted to get hormones to attempt a gender transition and hopefully become attracted to dudes like the other trans on reddit. Who so ironically betray themselves and their cause by casually posting truth.”

I'm pretty sure that's not how that works.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 29, 2017, 03:20:22 pm
Yeah think I'm gonna be sick.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 29, 2017, 10:39:07 pm
So basically, he wants a woman who has no concept of a toilet or of wiping her arse. Gee, that sounds totally hot. Where do I sign up?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Random Gal on July 30, 2017, 07:32:06 am
And he seems to think that taking estrogen is just going to magically make him attracted to guys.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 30, 2017, 08:52:27 am
Makin the damn fish gay!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Random Gal on July 30, 2017, 12:11:03 pm
Makin the damn fish gay!

I don't suppose you like fish sticks?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 30, 2017, 12:28:33 pm
I blame dolphins. Those damn giggling bastards are smiling all the time. They must be scheming something.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 30, 2017, 01:25:38 pm
I blame dolphins. Those damn giggling bastards are smiling all the time. They must be scheming something.

They are, it just usually involves spree killing and/or rape.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: LeTipex on July 30, 2017, 02:16:40 pm
I blame dolphins. Those damn giggling bastards are smiling all the time. They must be scheming something.

They are, it just usually involves spree killing and/or rape.
Ah... Game of Thrones fan, then...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on July 30, 2017, 11:46:39 pm
Makin the damn fish gay!

They're turning the freakin' frogs gay.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LsWiNwlxScE/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 03, 2017, 03:56:59 pm
“I have been on estrogen for about 6 months now. It all started when I got my new therapist three months before that. Who referred me to a new general practitioner he knows. Obviously I told him nothing about being incel or hating females. Only that I always felt like a girl, which was a massive lie. I just wanted to get hormones to attempt a gender transition and hopefully become attracted to dudes like the other trans on reddit. Who so ironically betray themselves and their cause by casually posting truth.”

I'm pretty sure that's not how that works.

anecdotally, HRT can have an effect on sexual orientation but it's not reliable and it's not major so probably not a good way to hack attraction to men (this is generally true of every other way to hack sexual orientation; does not work reliably, best case scenario might move you one point in the Kinsey scale)

anyway I don't really think this is real but transitioning if you're not dysphoric is a bad idea please don't do it. If it is real I'm hoping she's just in denial about dysphoria and chooses this narrative to deal with it. Certainly better than the alternative.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 05, 2017, 02:36:24 am
anecdotally, HRT can have an effect on sexual orientation but it's not reliable and it's not major so probably not a good way to hack attraction to men (this is generally true of every other way to hack sexual orientation; does not work reliably, best case scenario might move you one point in the Kinsey scale)

anyway I don't really think this is real but transitioning if you're not dysphoric is a bad idea please don't do it. If it is real I'm hoping she's just in denial about dysphoria and chooses this narrative to deal with it. Certainly better than the alternative.

Apparently she made posts since then saying she really like female hormones so there is a good chance that's the case, unless it's all bullshit which I won't bet against.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 06, 2017, 10:21:12 am
Guy goes to a women-only subreddit and shows his special brand of charm:

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This sub is actually adorable. I don't know if you guys read any of the posts men post or even if men post here at all and I'm breaking rules or something... but whatever.

 

Really cool to see lots of women encouraging each other and sharing their stories. Actually brings a huge grin to my face reading these. It's so interesting to get a female perspective. I am fairly young, and I think I do pretty creative stuff for dates, but it's curious to see a post titled "I just had the best sex of my life", and then 90% of the post be about how the date was amazing and they watched Moulin Rouge after cruising on a parkway, going to a botanical garden or something, maybe some stargazing after dinner the guy cooked for the girl or they cooked together...

 

I dunno it's just refreshing to see those romantics out there. Makes me have some more faith in humanity and introduces another different view of sex than I normally have. Women are just fascinating creatures I will never understand.

 

EDIT: Jesus Christ the over-sensitivity killed it for me. Just take it with a fucking grain of salt. I'm not going for a "lol look at the zoo animals things" tone... Holy shit...

People react badly and point out that his condescending tone is a bit creepy and he reacts about as well as you might guess:

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Wait. You are females... What is the problem with that word? Why can't older women be adorable? Why is adorable condescending? What the hell! I came here to say that I am grateful for the new perspective and you all seem to think I'm patronizing you... something something red tents something something everything I say is wrong.... <---THAT'S condescending, not what I said above.

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You seem like one of those militant feminist types of people that are looking to start fights. "Dealing" with being the wildly better looking sex from an artistic standpoint and thinking that being called "beautiful" or "adorable" and "hard working" or "successful" or "fierce and accomplished" or "smart" are mutually exclusive is a fucking joke.

 

Of course I am going to be frustrated when people take something I am saying with pure intent to be something that makes me feel like I've maligned them. You seem to think I lack empathy without knowing anything about me, when you seem to lack empathy about my situation, which was to post something I thought would brighten someones day or make people feel appreciated and was met with general distaste!

 

Imagine my shock when I logged in and saw that 3 people had upvoted it with a 100% upvoted rate, and then suddenly I have a bunch of angry women banging down my door lol.

 

I didn't want to post something that turns into an argument, but I really am offended you would go out of your way to start a fight. I can't just let that go unanswered. Absolutely preposterous. I'm sorry that you reacted so unfavorably to this, and I'm sorry you were offended by my post. Hopefully not everyone sees it through whatever tint of glass you're looking.

 

Also sorry if this is formatted terribly. Im posting on my phone!

Went pretty quickly from "you women are strange but adorable creatures" to "disagreeing with me? must be those militant feminists that I keep hearing about."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 15, 2017, 02:49:36 pm
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I don't even understand this discussion. Nazis are bad, and murdered millions. These guys in Charlottesville were carrying swastikas, came with weapons, that's not free speech, that's hate. It's disgraceful. Who the fuck brings weapons to a peaceful protest?

If you believe they had the right to protest about white equality by espousing hatred, bigotry, and violence, then you need to take a long look in the mirror, because that makes you a bigot and a racist.

I don't like what you're saying, so stop saying it!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on August 15, 2017, 08:26:33 pm
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I don't even understand this discussion. Nazis are bad, and murdered millions. These guys in Charlottesville were carrying swastikas, came with weapons, that's not free speech, that's hate. It's disgraceful. Who the fuck brings weapons to a peaceful protest?

If you believe they had the right to protest about white equality by espousing hatred, bigotry, and violence, then you need to take a long look in the mirror, because that makes you a bigot and a racist.

I don't like what you're saying, so stop saying it!

Research show prejudice, not free-speech principles, often underpin free-speech defense for racists. (https://news.ku.edu/2017/05/01/research-shows-prejudice-not-principle-often-underpins-free-speech-defense-racist)

Many free countries have hate speech laws and many authoritarian nations openly allow hate speech against politically convenient minorities. I think America is over-due for constitutional interpretations removing free speech protections for hate speech. It has no place in civilized societies.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 15, 2017, 08:31:09 pm
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I don't even understand this discussion. Nazis are bad, and murdered millions. These guys in Charlottesville were carrying swastikas, came with weapons, that's not free speech, that's hate. It's disgraceful. Who the fuck brings weapons to a peaceful protest?

If you believe they had the right to protest about white equality by espousing hatred, bigotry, and violence, then you need to take a long look in the mirror, because that makes you a bigot and a racist.

I don't like what you're saying, so stop saying it!

Research show prejudice, not free-speech principles, often underpin free-speech defense for racists. (https://news.ku.edu/2017/05/01/research-shows-prejudice-not-principle-often-underpins-free-speech-defense-racist)

Many free countries have hate speech laws and many authoritarian nations openly allow hate speech against politically convenient minorities. I think America is over-due for constitutional interpretations removing free speech protections for hate speech. It has no place in civilized societies.

And then what I'm worried about is who gets to define what "hate speech" is, because if that sort of thing were put in place now, it'd be uber-racist Jeff Sessions and a Supreme Court that could well have a majority of mini-Scalias in the next few years.

EDIT: And of course all the lower federal courts that Trump is putting people on.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on August 15, 2017, 08:40:45 pm
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I don't even understand this discussion. Nazis are bad, and murdered millions. These guys in Charlottesville were carrying swastikas, came with weapons, that's not free speech, that's hate. It's disgraceful. Who the fuck brings weapons to a peaceful protest?

If you believe they had the right to protest about white equality by espousing hatred, bigotry, and violence, then you need to take a long look in the mirror, because that makes you a bigot and a racist.

I don't like what you're saying, so stop saying it!

Research show prejudice, not free-speech principles, often underpin free-speech defense for racists. (https://news.ku.edu/2017/05/01/research-shows-prejudice-not-principle-often-underpins-free-speech-defense-racist)

Many free countries have hate speech laws and many authoritarian nations openly allow hate speech against politically convenient minorities. I think America is over-due for constitutional interpretations removing free speech protections for hate speech. It has no place in civilized societies.

And then what I'm worried about is who gets to define what "hate speech" is, because if that sort of thing were put in place now, it'd be uber-racist Jeff Sessions and a Supreme Court that could well have a majority of mini-Scalias in the next few years.

EDIT: And of course all the lower federal courts that Trump is putting people on.

I will not point to freedom-hating Canada as an example (which it ironically is), but Germany and many other European nations have similar laws that could provide guidance on interpretation as well as partisan shifts. Besides, at least in the context of discrimination, there are certain protected classes that courts usually do not step outside of for granting protections/restrictions. I see this as a flawed slippery slope argument.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 15, 2017, 11:35:28 pm
And I disagree with our hate speech laws. To me, it veers dangerously close to thoughtcrime.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 16, 2017, 12:56:39 am
I for one support hate speech laws. The laws can be made sensible.

In fact I like the definition where "inciting violence against a specific group of people" is the definition of hate speech. That way anyone going around saying that we should kill all [insert ethnic group] are in violation of the law, whether they were carrying signs in the streets or publishing official presidential statements on Twitter. But it also means that you don't define specifically that only minorities can be target of hate speech (though they are the ones that, generally speaking, are more likely to require protection and nearly always are the victims.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 16, 2017, 09:41:19 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/u_ihN062YZ38dmv3kgf0wMMASFtZ5ezDvQc1uQdmEAI.jpg?w=500&s=8bff532983d9f170ba24c95dfeeefc59)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on August 16, 2017, 09:55:09 am
........what?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 16, 2017, 10:08:56 am
Aah, yes.  I forgot to ask our Lord and Saviour, Yellow Frat Boy, if it was okay if I left my girlfriend unable to walk for several hours.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on August 16, 2017, 10:34:01 am
..................damn dude.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 16, 2017, 11:01:26 am
Welp I think the original version had Jesus instead of the yellow bastard and it was about staying until marriage. Not sure what's going on with that version. Is he someone semi-famous? 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 16, 2017, 12:47:11 pm
It looks like Elliot Rodgers to be.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 16, 2017, 02:53:51 pm
...A spree killer who said his motivation was that he didn't get sex and was envious of men who got sex. Also it is somehow the fault of the women.


And based on the picture he wasn't even unattractive looking (well, that's just my opinion though) so I am gonna make a wild fucking guess that his personality was the biggest problem he had.

Goddamn "niceguys" blaming others for their own problems. I admit that sex and intimacy are important for most people but a) There are ways to improve yourself to make yourself more attractive to others. b) Prostitution is always an option.

And for the record: Murderer-fandom is really fucking creepy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on August 16, 2017, 07:33:10 pm
...A spree killer who said his motivation was that he didn't get sex and was envious of men who got sex. Also it is somehow the fault of the women.


And based on the picture he wasn't even unattractive looking (well, that's just my opinion though) so I am gonna make a wild fucking guess that his personality was the biggest problem he had.

Goddamn "niceguys" blaming others for their own problems. I admit that sex and intimacy are important for most people but a) There are ways to improve yourself to make yourself more attractive to others. b) Prostitution is always an option.

And for the record: Murderer-fandom is really fucking creepy.

Oh, don't get me started on that. There was a time when I wanted to hit every Tsarnaev fangirl with a clue-by-four.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 20, 2017, 01:18:52 am
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"White Privilege" is a fake word.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 20, 2017, 05:31:14 am
It looks like Elliot Rodgers to be.
It is indeed Rodgers and was found on r/Incels.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 23, 2017, 03:52:03 pm
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Of course, you're right that, if Democrats would stop advocating abortion rights, it would be a great deal easier to vote for them. As it stands, the average centrist Catholic voter (who is both pro-life and supports Democratic anti-poverty programs) has to weigh the body count from Republican budget cuts against the body count of Democratic abortion policy. And any honest arithmetic drives them into the Republican column as a result.

FETUSES AREN'T PEOPLE YOU FUCKING MORON!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on August 23, 2017, 04:10:10 pm
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Of course, you're right that, if Democrats would stop advocating abortion rights, it would be a great deal easier to vote for them. As it stands, the average centrist Catholic voter (who is both pro-life and supports Democratic anti-poverty programs) has to weigh the body count from Republican budget cuts against the body count of Democratic abortion policy. And any honest arithmetic drives them into the Republican column as a result.

FETUSES AREN'T PEOPLE YOU FUCKING MORON!

If you're pro-life, they are.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 23, 2017, 04:12:56 pm
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Of course, you're right that, if Democrats would stop advocating abortion rights, it would be a great deal easier to vote for them. As it stands, the average centrist Catholic voter (who is both pro-life and supports Democratic anti-poverty programs) has to weigh the body count from Republican budget cuts against the body count of Democratic abortion policy. And any honest arithmetic drives them into the Republican column as a result.

FETUSES AREN'T PEOPLE YOU FUCKING MORON!

If you're pro-life, they are.

Then God is the world's greatest abortion doctor, and his already substantial murder count from what's been documented in the Bible keeps going up daily.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on August 23, 2017, 05:48:29 pm
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Of course, you're right that, if Democrats would stop advocating abortion rights, it would be a great deal easier to vote for them. As it stands, the average centrist Catholic voter (who is both pro-life and supports Democratic anti-poverty programs) has to weigh the body count from Republican budget cuts against the body count of Democratic abortion policy. And any honest arithmetic drives them into the Republican column as a result.

FETUSES AREN'T PEOPLE YOU FUCKING MORON!

If you're pro-life, they are.

Then God is the world's greatest abortion doctor, and his already substantial murder count from what's been documented in the Bible keeps going up daily.

Man, I'm not pro-life. But it's not like their position is hard to understand. If you believe that human life begins at conception, an opposition to abortion naturally follows.

Smart pro-lifers, like one of my friends in Arkansas, pair that with support for more awareness of and in some cases financial support for birth control, so that abortions aren't necessary in the first place. But it's not like their position is any more arbitrary than your own decision on when human life begins.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 23, 2017, 05:54:35 pm
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Of course, you're right that, if Democrats would stop advocating abortion rights, it would be a great deal easier to vote for them. As it stands, the average centrist Catholic voter (who is both pro-life and supports Democratic anti-poverty programs) has to weigh the body count from Republican budget cuts against the body count of Democratic abortion policy. And any honest arithmetic drives them into the Republican column as a result.

FETUSES AREN'T PEOPLE YOU FUCKING MORON!

If you're pro-life, they are.

Then God is the world's greatest abortion doctor, and his already substantial murder count from what's been documented in the Bible keeps going up daily.

Man, I'm not pro-life. But it's not like their position is hard to understand. If you believe that human life begins at conception, an opposition to abortion naturally follows.

Smart pro-lifers, like one of my friends in Arkansas, pair that with support for more awareness of and in some cases financial support for birth control, so that abortions aren't necessary in the first place. But it's not like their position is any more arbitrary than your own decision on when human life begins.

Sure. And if pro-lifers were by and large in favour of comprehensive sex education and improved access to birth control, I wouldn't have anywhere near the level of anger I do against them. But when you insist on policies that will increase the pregnancy rate, and restrict access to abortion, and remove the supports for women who have children... that's when I get pissed off.

And anyway, even if I thought human life began at conception (I'm undecided on the point), I could still see an argument for the pro-choice position: what right does the zygote/embryo/fetus have to demand that another human provide literally all the necessities of life for it for nine or so months, while also inflicting various negative physical consequences on said human? Would I have the right simply to attach myself to another human in that way and make those demands and exact those consequences? And if not, why does the zygote/embryo/fetus have that right while I don't if we're both equally human?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 23, 2017, 06:12:10 pm
Oh c'mon man, "pro life" just means "women not being forced to be barefoot and pregnant from 14 to 40 makes them uncomfortable".

Life's got nothing to do with it, look at their support for the death penalty and every military campaign to bomb the crap out of somewhere foreign ever!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 23, 2017, 06:15:35 pm
Oh c'mon man, "pro life" just means "women not being forced to be barefoot and pregnant from 14 to 40 makes them uncomfortable".

Life's got nothing to do with it, look at their support for the death penalty and every military campaign to bomb the crap out of somewhere foreign ever!

The person who posted the quote in question claims to be pro-life and anti-death penalty, and thinks the current AUMF is far too broad and should be reconsidered.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on August 23, 2017, 07:09:41 pm
You can actually be pro-life because you've thought it through and decided that that's what makes sense. Just because I don't get it doesn't mean it's dumb, and not every pro-lifer is a clone of Adam4d.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 23, 2017, 07:18:41 pm
You can actually be pro-life because you've thought it through and decided that that's what makes sense. Just because I don't get it doesn't mean it's dumb, and not every pro-lifer is a clone of Adam4d.

Sure... but unless it's coupled with policies that reduce the demand for the procedure you're trying to ban, I'll still think you're a misogynistic idiot looking for some sort of justification for your deeper prejudice.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on August 23, 2017, 11:17:02 pm
Sure... but unless it's coupled with policies that reduce the demand for the procedure you're trying to ban, I'll still think you're a misogynistic idiot looking for some sort of justification for your deeper prejudice.

Yes, that's the point. It should be coupled with policies that reduce the demand for the procedure you're trying to ban.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on August 27, 2017, 11:34:38 pm
Me, I'm fine with pro-lifers, but I can't stand anti-choicers. Not believing in abortion is one thing, trying to keep other people from getting abortions is another.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 03, 2017, 08:46:36 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIyvbKPWAAECJP-.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on September 03, 2017, 10:53:00 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/fQfS96n.jpg)

I enjoyed the gratuitous racism at the end. It really cemented the whole "I'm completely unlikable" thing he seemed to be aiming towards.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on September 09, 2017, 04:48:05 am
(https://i.imgur.com/fQfS96n.jpg)

I enjoyed the gratuitous racism at the end. It really cemented the whole "I'm completely unlikable" thing he seemed to be aiming towards.

I think the fedora is cutting off the circulation to his brain.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on September 09, 2017, 01:26:43 pm
No, I'm pretty sure the Fedora is the result of the stupidity. Not the cause of it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: lord gibbon on September 09, 2017, 04:03:00 pm
Goddammit, why do these people look so much like me?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 09, 2017, 05:13:42 pm
Did somebody order some hypocrisy?


(http://i.imgur.com/RKONcX6.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 15, 2017, 12:53:58 am
Ahhhh shite.  :P



Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on September 15, 2017, 01:45:22 am
The definition of oppression is not “failure to see your disgusting opinions about the relative human value of other living breathing people reflected in society at large.” Being shamed, including in public, for holding intolerant, bigoted opinions is not an infringement of your free speech. You are not fighting oppression. You are, at best, fighting criticism. If that’s the hill you really want to die on, fine, but don’t kid yourself it’s the moral high ground. I repeat: You cannot be a rebel for the status quo. It would be physically easier to go and fuck yourself, and I suggest you try. (https://thebaffler.com/war-of-nerves/you-are-not-a-rebel)

Tol, I think you have posted this in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 15, 2017, 02:22:23 am
The definition of oppression is not “failure to see your disgusting opinions about the relative human value of other living breathing people reflected in society at large.” Being shamed, including in public, for holding intolerant, bigoted opinions is not an infringement of your free speech. You are not fighting oppression. You are, at best, fighting criticism. If that’s the hill you really want to die on, fine, but don’t kid yourself it’s the moral high ground. I repeat: You cannot be a rebel for the status quo. It would be physically easier to go and fuck yourself, and I suggest you try. (https://thebaffler.com/war-of-nerves/you-are-not-a-rebel)
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Tol, I think you have posted this in the wrong thread.
Crap, old man moment.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on September 15, 2017, 11:36:25 am
OTOH, that is a pretty impressive rant and a good reply to most of the crap in this thread.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on September 16, 2017, 04:11:08 pm
Found on r/conspiracy:

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People keep talking about how the Russians are infringing on our democracy and are trying to influence the will of the people, but all I see are Jews.

Jewish media, Jewish lawyers, Jewish politicians, Jewish special interest groups...

I know this is a touchy subject.

I have to say, I did not start life thinking like this, and I actually don't consider myself an antisemite. As a matter of fact, my viewpoints about the state of Israel/Palestine can be considered quite conservative (though I have grown ambivelent in some respects).

And yet, I just kept noticing all these strange "coincidences"...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 17, 2017, 08:47:21 am
I'm not racist, but...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on September 17, 2017, 11:05:49 pm
Coincidences?

Like all the *ahem* "coincidental" agreements that r/Conspiracy users have with antisemites?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 18, 2017, 03:05:32 pm
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If you break off the people for whom health insurance would be affordable and let the market work, and combine that with a government program designed to cover the otherwise-uninsurable, you lower both direct premiums to the individual AND total overall cost of insurance.

The government program would obviously need to be paid for by tax dollars, which would come from income taxes, and not be directly tied to an individual's ability to pay for their care.

There's a lot of devil in the details of such a concept, but please explain why you think such a concept wouldn't work from a total AND per capita direct cost perspective.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2017, 03:42:36 pm
Because the free market is bullshit and buying what is essentially your life is terminally moronic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 18, 2017, 03:44:20 pm
Because the free market is bullshit and buying what is essentially your life is terminally moronic.

The free market isn't bullshit in itself. It's how it perverts the profit motive when it comes to health insurance that's bullshit.

The free market works perfectly fine when it comes to consumer goods.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 18, 2017, 04:27:04 pm
From Twitter user "heterogamingvet"

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this is what they want to turn gaming into some gay multicultural jerk off session not on my watch #GamerGate

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ7wsR9UIAAWrhd.jpg:large)

This was shared by a actor that I follow on FB with the comment "What's it like being an incredible scumbag?"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 18, 2017, 05:23:30 pm
After taking a look at HeteroGamingVet's feed (https://twitter.com/HeteroVet) with the original intention to laugh at his stupidity I'm 99% sure he's a poe. His other tweets make it more obvious:

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I can beat any minority, homosexual, or woman at any video game. This is what makes me the leader of #GamerGate

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I didn't ask for these women and gays  in gaming #GamerGate

The problem with his style is that many of his individual tweets are just believable enough to take them from parody to poe territory. When retweeted by someone else you don't have the rest of the feed to provide you with more context of what he is doing.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on September 18, 2017, 09:03:54 pm
There's also the problem with GamerGate satire looking and acting no different than sincere supporters. So, yes, this one looks ridiculous, but he's so close to what sincere supporters actually say and believe that he's pretty much indistinguishable.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 19, 2017, 12:05:17 am
Well, apparently several Gamergaters turned up to defend him even if he is a poe. Also they are ganging up on the actor and trying to make him believe that they support diversity and are inclusive ("unless it is forced or politicized" which means in practical terms that they always oppose it.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 19, 2017, 01:30:10 am
Well, apparently several Gamergaters turned up to defend him even if he is a poe. Also they are ganging up on the actor and trying to make him believe that they support diversity and are inclusive ("unless it is forced or politicized" which means in practical terms that they always oppose it.)

Not really surprised. If a tweet is indistinguishable from something a Gator could realistically say it isn't any easier for them to make the distinction either.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 19, 2017, 01:35:17 am
Personally, I'm just impressed that it's been three years and Gamergate is still apparently a thing. At least they seem to have dropped the pretence that it has anything to do with journalism and the ethics involved therein.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 19, 2017, 03:48:08 am
No. They have not.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on September 19, 2017, 04:02:05 am
I think by now the same Gators are people who are also involved in the alt-right and their activities.

They're little more than a Nazi Cat's Paw now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 19, 2017, 05:06:18 am
GG as a movement of its own might be revitalized if there is a new gaming culture related reactionary outrage. Otherwise it will probably keep withering away when the members find other things to occupy their attention.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on September 19, 2017, 08:31:19 am
From Twitter user "heterogamingvet"

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this is what they want to turn gaming into some gay multicultural jerk off session not on my watch #GamerGate

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ7wsR9UIAAWrhd.jpg:large)

This was shared by a actor that I follow on FB with the comment "What's it like being an incredible scumbag?"

I'm rolling my eyes at the comic for an entirely different reason. This feels like it was done by somebody who's heard of eSports, but doesn't know much about them.

"I think I'm at the objective?" You're a professional, how do you not know? It's like an NFL player not knowing where the end zones are.

That being said, the guy's reaction was completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 19, 2017, 09:04:06 am
a) It's an ad by Coca cola. It's not like corporations have a great track record for knowing about the things that they sponsor.

b) Maybe it's aimed at rookies?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 19, 2017, 09:46:38 am
Not a single one of them is blemished or visibly overweight.  Come on, Coke, get your shit together.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on September 19, 2017, 04:01:09 pm
And their eyes don't have the psychotic soulless look that can be seen on any true gamer's face.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 19, 2017, 05:01:05 pm
Personally, I'm just impressed that it's been three years and Gamergate is still apparently a thing. At least they seem to have dropped the pretence that it has anything to do with journalism and the ethics involved therein.
You're surprised that angry, annoying stalky types on the internet is a thing?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on September 21, 2017, 01:45:46 am
Oh wow GamerGate again, what is this, Reddit circa 2014?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 21, 2017, 02:27:28 am
http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/19/refusal-date-conservatives-one-reason-donald-trump/

Huh, apparently Libertarians and Incels have an overlap.

TL;DR

"Conservatives and Liberals both hate each other but the Liberals refuse to be reasonable and let us fuck them so [file corrupted] and therefore Trump won."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 21, 2017, 06:19:04 am
Also from the federalist, an article with this title.

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Your Refusal To Date Conservatives Is One Reason We Have Donald Trump (http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/19/refusal-date-conservatives-one-reason-donald-trump/)

Not taking the piss, that was the title.

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Assortative mating serves to intensify this polarization. It amplifies an already significant ingroup-outgroup mentality around contentious social issues. Social and cultural issues create severe disagreement because they trigger the emotional part of the brain: the disagreement challenges a core part of group identity. This is exacytly the type of schism that an arrogant demagogue like Trump exploits.

See, if y'all stuck up liberal bitches just moved to Bumfuck Idaho and put up with Bubba's casual racism and belief in your place being in his kitchen making sammiches America would be living a second New Deal by now!

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If a progressive doesn’t want to date a conservative and vice versa, that’s perfectly fine. Everyone has deal-breakers. But as a political protest, this form of virtue-signaling is counterproductive in the long run.

Lie back ladies, think of 'murica!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 21, 2017, 07:53:50 am
Tol, that was the article I linked just before your comment.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2017, 10:13:03 am
You know what thing (of many) I use as a sign that an argument is bullshit?  The unironic use of the term "virtue signaling."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 21, 2017, 04:33:12 pm
Tol, that was the article I linked just before your comment.
Apologies, jumping the gun there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on September 21, 2017, 05:02:56 pm
(https://i.redd.it/g4ew84odlykz.png)

You're just jealous of him, let's be honest.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2017, 10:56:17 pm
you'd think that if you care about STDs you can just ask your partner to get tested but no, I'm sure race is a much better predictor
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 23, 2017, 07:13:32 am
That, or just wear a fucking condom.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 23, 2017, 07:29:29 am
As if there are other kinds of condoms.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 23, 2017, 09:34:57 am
Sure, there's wanking condoms.  Makes cleanup a hell of a lot easier.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 23, 2017, 09:57:46 am
Seems like it would be a lot harder to get some decent friction going, though.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 23, 2017, 11:00:05 am
Not if they're lubricated.  Also, friction, on your dick?  You're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on September 28, 2017, 11:14:11 am
(https://i.redd.it/lc9xr4l6ymoz.jpg)

FFS, the man's body isn't even cold yet!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 28, 2017, 11:22:13 am
Ah yes, few things in this world are as terrible as soft core porn.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 28, 2017, 03:27:22 pm
The writer does have a point in that Hefner held and promoted a very unhealthy image of women and treated the playboy bunnies like shit. She ignorantly condemns all porn - specially kinkier one - but it doesn't mean she hasn't got a point otherwise. Porn industry has its problems and the example Hefner gave of treating the women who were looking to work in the industry (and women in general) did not help at all.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 28, 2017, 08:00:29 pm
Remember that Hefner published Playboy at a time when "I Love Lucy" couldn't say "pregnant" or show Desi and Lucy sleeping in the same bed.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 28, 2017, 09:27:21 pm
Which makes him a mixed bag. When someone like him dies there is nothing wrong in pointing out in the middle of all the glorification that they had their dark sides, too, and ignoring them is unfair for the people that he harmed.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 28, 2017, 10:07:30 pm
The writer does have a point in that Hefner held and promoted a very unhealthy image of women and treated the playboy bunnies like shit. She ignorantly condemns all porn - specially kinkier one - but it doesn't mean she hasn't got a point otherwise. Porn industry has its problems and the example Hefner gave of treating the women who were looking to work in the industry (and women in general) did not help at all.

On the other hand, in most civilized Western societies, disparaging the recently dead is seen as a pretty huge breach of etiquette. And given that he died, uh... yesterday, I'd say that's pretty recent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on September 28, 2017, 10:43:26 pm
Which makes him a mixed bag. When someone like him dies there is nothing wrong in pointing out in the middle of all the glorification that they had their dark sides, too, and ignoring them is unfair for the people that he harmed.

There's discussing controversies about the deceased in an obituary, and then there's this. Hefner wasn't a terrorist, or a dictator, or a serial killer. I won't deny that he had his dark sides, but did he really deserve this?

Hypothetically, if Bill Clinton died tomorrow, how would you feel if - for example - Breitbart claimed that he shouldn't be mourned because of his sexual misconduct allegations?

Besides, the article was written by Julie Bindel, an openly misandristic political lesbian (http://www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/9/7/an-interview-with-julie-bindel). I'm not exactly going to assume she had good intentions when she wrote this.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 28, 2017, 11:20:06 pm
On the other hand, in most civilized Western societies, disparaging the recently dead is seen as a pretty huge breach of etiquette. And given that he died, uh... yesterday, I'd say that's pretty recent.
This part of etiquette needs shaking up a bit. If you are an influential person your whole resume should be up to discussion. With our tendency to glorify the recently dead instead of an honest evaluation I have no problem with people putting out dissenting opinions.

Which makes him a mixed bag. When someone like him dies there is nothing wrong in pointing out in the middle of all the glorification that they had their dark sides, too, and ignoring them is unfair for the people that he harmed.

There's discussing controversies about the deceased in an obituary, and then there's this. Hefner wasn't a terrorist, or a dictator, or a serial killer. I won't deny that he had his dark sides, but did he really deserve this?

Hypothetically, if Bill Clinton died tomorrow, how would you feel if - for example - Breitbart claimed that he shouldn't be mourned because of his sexual misconduct allegations?

Besides, the article was written by Julie Bindel, an openly misandristic political lesbian (http://www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/9/7/an-interview-with-julie-bindel). I'm not exactly going to assume she had good intentions when she wrote this.

She said a feminist shouldn't mourn him. She didn't say that that people who were close to him shouldn't mourn or that anyone should have wished harm to him. I have no problem with someone whose opinion is that he represents great harm for women pointing out that she thinks his image shouldn't be glorified (even if I don't agree with her about all aspects of Hefner's influence on culture). I would treat anyone who said that feminists shouldn't mourn Clinton the same way as long as they base their opinion on facts and not lies even if I disagreed on how bad the flaws discussed actually are.

This is separate from the disagreements I have with her brand of radical feminism.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 29, 2017, 02:09:46 am
Didn't we have this conversation back when Margaret Thatcher died?

Anyway, in my view, when you're dead, your history is every bit as much a mix of its positive and negative parts as it was when you were alive. Ignoring one part or the other is being dishonest.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2017, 10:26:28 am
This part of etiquette needs shaking up a bit. If you are an influential person your whole resume should be up to discussion. With our tendency to glorify the recently dead instead of an honest evaluation I have no problem with people putting out dissenting opinions.

Anyway, in my view, when you're dead, your history is every bit as much a mix of its positive and negative parts as it was when you were alive. Ignoring one part or the other is being dishonest.

I, on the other hand, believe that there should at least be a grace period of a certain amount of time. Not for any religious reasons, but out of respect for grieving family and close friends. Imagine you're Hugh Hefner's nephew or something and you're sad as fuck that your uncle died, and you turn to Twitter to see "Anyone who calls themselves a feminist isn't going to mourn this evil man"? You're not gonna be happy about it.

It's not about trying to change history or ignore bad things that people have done. It's about respect for the grieving.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on September 29, 2017, 01:57:18 pm
And, in my mind, respect for the grieving is only part of the reason you don't write an essay about how shitty a person is after they died. The question I have to ask of anybody who starts writing critiques about a person right after they die is:

"Why are you writing this now, instead of writing it while your target was still alive, and able to either apologize or defend their actions? Why did you wait until they were dead? It's not like we're ten years later and some new piece of information has come to light; you could've just as easily posted this a month ago."

The answers tend to be one of these reasons, none of them good:

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 29, 2017, 07:40:14 pm
I, on the other hand, believe that there should at least be a grace period of a certain amount of time. Not for any religious reasons, but out of respect for grieving family and close friends. Imagine you're Hugh Hefner's nephew or something and you're sad as fuck that your uncle died, and you turn to Twitter to see "Anyone who calls themselves a feminist isn't going to mourn this evil man"? You're not gonna be happy about it.

It's not about trying to change history or ignore bad things that people have done. It's about respect for the grieving.
And how are you going to feel if you are someone who has awful memories from her time as a playboy bunny being subjected to shitty treatment by Hefner and nobody acknowledges this? Everyone just glorifies the person who treated you like a decorative item instead of a human being? When a person was influential it's not only their family whose feelings are influenced by the media coverage.

  • The poster is using the influx of interest in the now-dead celebrity to get a bigger audience (clickbaiting)
  • The poster is deliberately averting "respect for the dead" in order to be subversive (edgelording)
  • The poster prefers to criticize people who cannot defend themselves (defaming)
  • The poster wants to upset the grieving (trolling)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 29, 2017, 07:43:31 pm
But only giving the other side is also dishonest.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 29, 2017, 08:41:32 pm
Only if the other side isn't discussed everywhere already.

Edit: Sorry, dpareja. I thought you were answering to me but taken in the context of your previous post that apparently is not the case. I apologize for the confusion.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 30, 2017, 04:13:09 am
Technically,  saying that there should be a "grace period" before talking about the bad stuff the deceased had done is silencing one side of the discussion in favour of the other (which may be lies and pandering depending on who they are talking about.)

Hefner is a good example of this. So is Bill Cosby or Johnny Depp. All have done remarkable things aside from the questionable stuff but pretending that the bad stuff does not exist is not the right answer even if their families probably grieve their loss when it happens. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 30, 2017, 04:45:23 pm
And how are you going to feel if you are someone who has awful memories from her time as a playboy bunny being subjected to shitty treatment by Hefner and nobody acknowledges this? Everyone just glorifies the person who treated you like a decorative item instead of a human being? When a person was influential it's not only their family whose feelings are influenced by the media coverage.

This is true. I didn't really consider this option, to be honest. It still doesn't make me at all comfortable on a personal level to see highly negative coverage of those who've recently died, but I will admit that you do make a good point here. I'm not sure what to say to that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on September 30, 2017, 05:47:19 pm
I, on the other hand, believe that there should at least be a grace period of a certain amount of time. Not for any religious reasons, but out of respect for grieving family and close friends. Imagine you're Hugh Hefner's nephew or something and you're sad as fuck that your uncle died, and you turn to Twitter to see "Anyone who calls themselves a feminist isn't going to mourn this evil man"? You're not gonna be happy about it.

It's not about trying to change history or ignore bad things that people have done. It's about respect for the grieving.
And how are you going to feel if you are someone who has awful memories from her time as a playboy bunny being subjected to shitty treatment by Hefner and nobody acknowledges this? Everyone just glorifies the person who treated you like a decorative item instead of a human being? When a person was influential it's not only their family whose feelings are influenced by the media coverage.

It's not either/or. You can acknowledge that while still not running a hatchet job against him.

  • The poster is using the influx of interest in the now-dead celebrity to get a bigger audience (clickbaiting)
  • The poster is deliberately averting "respect for the dead" in order to be subversive (edgelording)
  • The poster prefers to criticize people who cannot defend themselves (defaming)
  • The poster wants to upset the grieving (trolling)
  • The poster sees that the celebrity suddenly gets a lot of attention in the media since they just died and thinks this coverage is one sided and doesn't give the whole picture.

Even if that was their motivation, that still doesn't justify focusing entirely on the bad. I'm fine with a balanced perspective on the deceased, and giving the other side a chance to speak. But there's a difference between a balanced perspective and a hatchet job. What Ms. Bindel wrote was the latter.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 30, 2017, 06:10:49 pm
Let it be known: anyone attending my funeral can call me a shitheel all they want, provided that they can back it up.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on September 30, 2017, 07:22:36 pm
I, on the other hand, believe that there should at least be a grace period of a certain amount of time. Not for any religious reasons, but out of respect for grieving family and close friends. Imagine you're Hugh Hefner's nephew or something and you're sad as fuck that your uncle died, and you turn to Twitter to see "Anyone who calls themselves a feminist isn't going to mourn this evil man"? You're not gonna be happy about it.

It's not about trying to change history or ignore bad things that people have done. It's about respect for the grieving.
And how are you going to feel if you are someone who has awful memories from her time as a playboy bunny being subjected to shitty treatment by Hefner and nobody acknowledges this? Everyone just glorifies the person who treated you like a decorative item instead of a human being? When a person was influential it's not only their family whose feelings are influenced by the media coverage.

It's not either/or. You can acknowledge that while still not running a hatchet job against him.

  • The poster is using the influx of interest in the now-dead celebrity to get a bigger audience (clickbaiting)
  • The poster is deliberately averting "respect for the dead" in order to be subversive (edgelording)
  • The poster prefers to criticize people who cannot defend themselves (defaming)
  • The poster wants to upset the grieving (trolling)
  • The poster sees that the celebrity suddenly gets a lot of attention in the media since they just died and thinks this coverage is one sided and doesn't give the whole picture.

Even if that was their motivation, that still doesn't justify focusing entirely on the bad. I'm fine with a balanced perspective on the deceased, and giving the other side a chance to speak. But there's a difference between a balanced perspective and a hatchet job. What Ms. Bindel wrote was the latter.
The article doesn't exist in an informational void and isn't a scholarly paper. It's fair to assume that the reader has heard the other side several times already so it's unnecessary to repeat what others keep shouting from the rooftops when the whole point is to give an opposing viewpoint.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on September 30, 2017, 07:43:20 pm
While it's a bit off-topic, it's dumb and hypocritical that celebrities tend to get so more praise right after they die than they got while still alive. For all the people talking about how much impact Hefner had, I never heard of the man until this topic was posted, which I'm sure is mostly to blame on my own pop-culture myopia (TBF, I have heard of Playboy magazine, just not Hugh Hefner).

And it's not like the stuff people are writing about this, positive or negative, adds anything of value to the discussion. It's mostly clickbait-y crap that only serves to reinforce opinions that people already have. You never knew him personally, and it's not like the magazine is going to change in any important way because of his death, so I don't see how you can claim to mourn him.

You're jumping on a bandwagon. That's all.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on September 30, 2017, 08:05:45 pm
I don't mind his dirt being exposed. Like, at ALL. What I DO mind is the immediate "I'm glad he's dead, the world would have been a better place had he never been born." Why? The simple reason that he had a family and they're trying to fucking grieve, and you're REVELING in their grief. That just feels a liiiitle scummy to me.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on October 01, 2017, 02:58:25 pm
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Reasonable, intelligent, liberal (in the broadest sense of the term) people know that nationalism is bound for the scrapheap of history. Apparently, someone forgot to tell the Catalonians. Perhaps a little violent suppression will bring them to their senses.

Just like a little violent suppression brought protesters to their senses in China, Russia and Iran?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 03, 2017, 12:22:44 am
(https://i.imgur.com/6JTon2C.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on October 03, 2017, 03:53:12 am
(https://i.imgur.com/6JTon2C.png)

I know ISIS claimed responsibility for him and said he converted months ago but so far it looks like he's just a horrible monster with no political affiliations.

Like Adam Lanza from Sandy Hook. Or the girl "I don't like Mondays" is about. Just senseless death, the killer hasn't even left us a reason. I don't know if he even knew.

What I want to know though is how the hell did he get something as heavily restricted as an auto gun? Somebody had to have helped him collect his arsenal. Probably some kind of cartel since the Southwest has a lot of them running around willing to sell to any jagoff ealthy enough and evil enough to associate with them.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on October 09, 2017, 11:45:32 am
(https://media.8ch.net/file_store/871524bc86ea6195f45bae3ea044d9249be911efbcb8c0225dd08252141471ee.jpg)

>We invented communism
>We are the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, central banking and big corporate money

I think I spotted a contradiction.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on October 09, 2017, 03:45:23 pm
No you haven't.

Ironbite-there is no contradiction in here at all.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 09, 2017, 03:59:00 pm
Yeah, "Jews invented something bad or are at least trying to spread it to destroy all non-Jewish nations" is a cliche claim. So "Jews invented communism and are using it to destroy all non-Jewish nations" is not in conflict with "Jews invented banking and are using it to destroy all non-Jewish nations."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 09, 2017, 06:24:57 pm
Even worse, the Jews are hoarding their Daat Yichud technology from us!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 10, 2017, 06:22:28 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHiCOriUwAATio6.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SomeApe on October 10, 2017, 10:13:32 am
"I'm not a Nazi, I'm just LARPing!"

Haha, yeah sure...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on October 10, 2017, 04:53:53 pm
In 4chan, being called a LARPer is an insult. Basically, it's another word for an Internet Tough Guy, though without necessarily being on the Internet. Someone LARPing as a Nazi, for example, would not have the fortitude to actually boycott a business that made a product they liked, though they might claim to have done so. The Charlottesville killer, of course, is not a LARPer.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on October 11, 2017, 01:51:50 am
https://notalwaysright.com/an-electronic-alarm/97272/

Yes, it's NAR... but if that story's true... holy shit. I thought zero-tolerance couldn't get any worse.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on October 11, 2017, 04:50:01 am
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"Mr. Rogers is on that communist propaganda machine of PBS so we got to find someway to connect him to the sinfully nature of the secular world!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 11, 2017, 05:12:47 am
So PBS, i.e. the TV network that's owned, funded and operated by the US government, probably the most right wing first world government in the world, is a "communist propaganda machine".

Well, I for one see nothing wrong with that concept.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on October 11, 2017, 04:06:24 pm
https://notalwaysright.com/an-electronic-alarm/97272/

Yes, it's NAR... but if that story's true... holy shit. I thought zero-tolerance couldn't get any worse.


Schools honestly believe that no students have any rights whatsoever.  So they treat them as criminals when they're in class.  It's the way of the world honestly.

Ironbite-and it's stupid.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 11, 2017, 04:13:46 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHiCOriUwAATio6.png)
So...you're asking all your fellow Nazis to behave nicely in public.

Good luck with that!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on October 11, 2017, 06:32:38 pm
https://notalwaysright.com/an-electronic-alarm/97272/ (https://notalwaysright.com/an-electronic-alarm/97272/)

Yes, it's NAR... but if that story's true... holy shit. I thought zero-tolerance couldn't get any worse.


Schools honestly believe that no students have any rights whatsoever.  So they treat them as criminals when they're in class.  It's the way of the world honestly.

Ironbite-and it's stupid.


pretty much
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on October 12, 2017, 02:26:45 pm
Of course there's the guy in the comments that supports a blanket ban on personal electronics in schools.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on October 12, 2017, 05:13:10 pm
I just saw a Gandhi misquote used to support closing the borders from refugees and closing all the reception centers. It's apparently a new meme going around in the Finnish anti-refugee circles.

The misquote translated: "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way it treats its weakest members." ("Kansakunnan mahtavuuden määrittää sen tapa kohdella heikompia jäseniä")

For fuck's sake. Not only does it combine a Gandhi quote and a Truman quote but it doesn't even make sense in the context. Apparently kicking out the refugees is somehow protecting the weakest in our society.

Edit: To be more accurate, I do understand their train of thought. They think the resources used to help the refugees should be used to help poor Finns which means they are mistreated if we accept any refugees. Even if you accept this overly simplified logic the quotes are misused and this is what made my blood boil. The combining of the quotes hides how this usage goes against their spirit. The way the sentence is formed in Finnish implies that the quote applies to "the people" in an exclusive, right-wing nationalist sense.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 13, 2017, 01:23:13 am
That reminds me: There was a recent study that showed that the majority of Greek philosopher quotes used on Libertarian boards are fake.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/918431668658212865

Louisiana Sheriff explains why he wants to keep "good" people in jail.


(https://i.imgur.com/0qFxZnO.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 13, 2017, 01:43:05 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/g8WbZKV.jpg)

...What?

...I assumed that USA would have gotten over this type raxism few decades ago already.

Bonus: http://www.mcall.com/news/local/whitehall/mc-nws-whitehall-daycare-racist-letter-20171006-story.html
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on October 13, 2017, 03:04:42 pm
What a fine upstanding citizen.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on October 16, 2017, 02:24:02 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/RtFNRmdukyLB7EgKIsy-mYqZ4HtBm8ifhin4rpf9IHk.jpg?w=789&s=b131d1c6599473662fea8d8218939f4f)

OH NO! The campaign for ethism in gaming journalism has failed because there are no white men in an ad for a game...

...Wait a minute. What does whites and/or men being in an ad have to do with ethics in gaming journalism?

In unrelated news, Kotaku In Action is melting as they argue over whether or not a gaming series that has been about fighting Nazis since 1981 is now bringing in daily politics into the game by having the player character fight Nazis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/76m912/lovely_marketing_by_wolfenstein_2_1010/

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I wonder how the fuck anyone at Bethesda let Antifa's rallying cry get thrown in with their marketing lmao.

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If they want to virtue signal and glorify modern McCarthyism-style witch hunting, then I'm fine just pirating the game instead of paying for it like I had planned to. I'll pop it right off my steam wishlist and "vote with my wallet".
Note, punching cyborg-Nazis is now a McCarthy style witch hunt.

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   "I'm a bit conflicted on this"

I'm not; these idiots have mishandled a marketing campaign so badly that some people in the year 2017 are going to side with the Nazis in a fucking Wolfenstein game. You know how hard it is to fuck up that bad?

...Yes, it is the fault of Bethesda marketing department that KiA sides with Nazis. This is no different from the "This is why Trump won" defense. Someone implies that a Nazi is a Nazi and in response people who had nothing to do with Nazis will suddenly convert into Nazism in support of real Nazis. They can't help it. Not their fault really. /s

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The good thing about the Left’s insistence on “you are either with us or a Nazi” is that they’re pushing people into the welcoming arms of the Right.

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Probably why they associated the "Alt-Right" with white nationalists: to deny centrists a banner to rally under that would declare their dissociation with the Left as well as the traditional Right.

I don't think it's gone as planned.

ALT-RIGHT ARE WHITE NATIONALISTS! YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT! Alt-right was literally created by white supremacists to create a more PC and more marketable banner that would attract people to Neo-Nazism and white supremacy. And now that their image is "spoiled" they made up the "alt-lite" group and try to get that off the ground.


Getting tired of this, just one more:
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I legitimately don't know how they screwed this up.

I was gonna get the game after having fun with the first one, but then the marketing guys doubled down on the whole contemporary politics thing.

I rather not give my money to a group that supports labeling people as Nazis and then condoning the assault of them.

OH NO! They labeled a Space-Nazi-Cyborg as a Nazi just because he has swastikas all over him and is part of a Space-Nazi-Cyborg army. How totally unfair!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on October 16, 2017, 03:43:14 pm
I honestly don't think anyone on KiA was paying a lick of attention to this series until this year.  Now it's suddenly political.

Ironbite-and Bethesda is riding this one into the bank.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 17, 2017, 05:59:52 pm
My dog-eared copy of "Weird War" is radical leftist because it has people fighting Nazis?

Cool, thanks KiA!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on October 18, 2017, 05:21:55 pm
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/3db7ff37c9c8874b291b542cd81189e38e2d7262/c=0-40-500-416&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2017/10/15/Phoenix/Phoenix/636437022764256983-annefrank-costume.PNG)

Truely the best way to honor the memory of the holocaust is to sell cheep crap so kids can get free candy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on October 18, 2017, 06:15:37 pm
Proof that souls, God, Jesus, and Heaven all exist!

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The Soul: Back in the 5th century B.C., the philosopher Parmenides persuasively argued that, because it is impossible and absurd for something not to exist (because if it doesn't exist, it isn't something and can't be spoken of), all change and difference are impossible. He proved that, under the basically materialist physical theories of the world that dominated Greek science to that point, the observable universe could only exist as an utterly undifferentiated, eternal, motionless, and changeless infinity of matter. Since this flew in the face of all observable evidence (the world does, in fact, change!), the next several centuries were spent trying to dig physicalism out of the hole Parmenides had pushed it into. Some people tried saying, "Well, that's just silly, obviously change exists and motion happens," so Parmenides' follower Zeno came up with his famous motion paradoxes in order to say, "No, YOU'RE silly. Obviously change and motion are impossible and absurd, and your contrary observations -- not to mention you yourself -- are merely a delusional phenomenon of the eternal changeless mass of undifferentiated matter."

More serious attempts to defeat the Parmenidean problem included Plato's theory of ideas, but the most convincing and most economical theory (in my opinion) was Aristotle's (http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/metaphysics.html), which introduced accidental and substantial immaterial forms into physical theory -- entities which, through union with matter, reduce actually-existing potencies to actually-existing acts. This sidestepped the Parmenidean problem rather neatly by giving an account of change that does not require the affirmation of non-existent entities "coming into being." The universe was now a sea of potencies being reduced to act and back again. It remains the best account ever given of how change is possible, and (after throwing out the baby with the bathwater in the Cartesian revolution), I think philosophers are finally starting to recognize that again (http://www.jonathanschaffer.org/grounds.pdf). Of course, forecasting trends in human understanding has only a slightly better success rate than divination, so I could be wrong about whether academic philosophy is finally on the cusp of a new Aristotelianism -- but I still think Aristotle's theory of forms is the best explanation for the observable universe.

In Catholic thought, what is popularly referred to as the "soul" is simply the substantial form of the body, more or less as Aristotle conceived it. Catholics are hylomorphists rather than dualists. Which is to say, a person is not an immaterial soul floating around in a material body somehow, but rather a person is an immaterial substantial form (a soul) united with particular matter (a body), without which neither soul nor body are intelligible. This is the best explanation for the observable universe that we have. (I don't think this is dogmatically defined for Catholics, so it could change if some superior physical theory came along, but hylomorphism has quite a bit of inertia at this point and -- for my money -- no particularly good challengers.)

This is, incidentally, one of those big differences between Protestants and Catholics -- I'd bet money Drollinger's a dualist, and dualists have a whole range of problems with their theory, even though they use the same word ("soul") to describe the occult immaterial entity floating around inside the body that somehow interacts with it. And then you try and fix those problems, and then you end up talking about monads, and everyone is sad except Liebniz... but I digress.

Point is: does the observable universe exist, in some form other than as an eternal undifferentiated mass of changeless matter? In other words, are we having this conversation right now? Then, if Aristotle is right, accidental and substantial forms must exist, and the soul is (in Catholic thought) merely the substantial form of the human being. So if human beings exist, so do souls.

What this theory subscribes you to: Immaterial entities exist, which cannot be directly observed yet have definite effects on the observable universe, and humans are not altogether material entities. (Neither are lions, fungi, chairs, particular rocks, or -- this was a fun paper to write -- holes.)

What this theory does NOT subscribe you to: The immortality of the human soul. (You'll notice that is not even touched on above.) The specialness of the rational soul as compared to, say, the soul of a rock. Any of the nonsense desperate evangelicals sometimes spout about how when people die they weigh slightly less because the soul leaves their body.

God: While it is entirely possible that the universe/multiverse has existed from eternity (indeed, talking about time at all gets weird back at the Big Bang), we nevertheless observe that some things in the universe are changed by other things. If we ask, "What caused this to change?" in succession, we must ultimately reach a first cause, because the chain of casuation cannot regress into infinity or there would be no observable motion today (think Zeno again). Basic enough -- that's just Aristotle's Physics (not even his Metaphysics!). Everybody reads that one page in the Summa Theologiae for some reason (even though the Summa was a deliberate exercise in corner-cutting in order to distill complex ideas for first-year seminary students) and thinks Aquinas came up with this, but Aquinas himself makes clear in the much more complete and effective cosmological argument (http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm#13) in the Summa Contra Gentiles that he's just cribbing Aristotle again.

"Yes, sure," you may say, "I'm happy to stipulate that there's a first cause, but it could be the universe itself, or the multiverse, or some other thing that isn't what we commonly understand as 'God.'"  And, fair enough. Way too many people run a simple first-cause argument and then think they're done, but all they've done is prove a first cause and slapped a name on it, not proved any of its attributes.

And yet, as Aquinas goes on to show (I think convincingly) if the first cause is immutable, as Aristotle contends, this has several logical entailments: the first cause must be eternal (http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm#15), with no passive potency (http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm#16), thus no physical form (http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm#17) or body (http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm#20), and it must have no composition (http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1003.htm#article2), while no limitation (http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraGentiles1.htm#20) may be placed on its power.

Bracketing the question of whether the first cause is good, or indeed intelligent at all, a single omnipotent immaterial being that caused everything would seem to be a reasonably good candidate for the name "God." (Aquinas says that goodness and intelligence can be predicated of God only analogically, and I am not at present altogether convinced by the arguments leading to even that limited claim.)

So, you want to see God's measurable effect on the observable universe? You have an observable universe -- there's your effect.  :)

And there you go: God and souls, and that's pretty much all from a pre-Christian philosopher who wasn't particularly religious and who was regarded with deep suspicion by Christian authorities when first re-introduced to the West.

What this subscribes you to: a pretty limited form of deism. The abandonment of many objections to more explicitly religious claims ("there's no evidence of an omnipotent sky-being who created the universe!" Well, no, actually, there is, although we can debate the name we want to give it).

What this doesn't subscribe you to: any particular religious claim based on revelation. This argument addresses common objections to revelation, as mentioned above, but provides no positive evidence for revelation. Also, this account of God is limited enough that you don't run into the Problem of Evil.

Christ: I'll prove to you Christ existed based on the measurable impact he has on the observable universe as soon as you prove to me that Diogenes -- or Julius Caesar -- existed based on the measurable impact he has on the observable universe.

But, of course, that is impossible. Historical claims cannot be evaluated the same way that scientific, mathematical, or philosophical claims can be evaluated. Because history is by definition unobservable, and its effects on us today are not completely evident, we can never progress from theory to certainty when it comes to history; we only have what we've been told through the historical record, and what we've discovered through the good offices of archaeology and so forth.

I'll be the first to admit that the life of Jesus of Nazereth cannot be proved with certainty. But his life and acts are pretty well attested for a non-government figure in 1st-century Palestine. We have five sources that claim to be eyewitness accounts, and our best Biblical scholarship has concluded that four of them (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Acts) were written within the probable lifetimes of the Apostles, while the fifth (John) is iffy. We do not find contemporary contradictions of their claims, even though they inhabited a relatively literate and highly interconnected empire (where books like the Gospels could spread in a matter of months, not years), even though they claimed thousands of eyewitnesses, many of whom (Pontius Pilate comes to mind) would have had strong motivation to refute the basic claims of the Gospels.

We do not find that the Apostles had motivation to lie, either. Although much about many of their lives remains unknown, it certainly appears from the concrete historical record that St. Peter (who was likely responsible for Mark's Gospel, either through direct dictation or through his followers putting his teachings to paper within 10 years of his death) lived a painful, often cowardly life before being executed by crucifixion on Vatican Hill while still insisting that what he claimed was true. Unverified but plausible traditions about each of the other Apostles tell a similar tale.

(Incidentally, this, to me, is the main reason I don't buy into Islamic revelation. It all sounds plausible enough -- angel in a cave talks to a guy, reveals God's words, whatever, that's basically Moses and Mary for ya -- but the only guy we have to verify this is Mohammed himself, who had no eyewitnesses, performed no public miracles, and whose religion led him to conquest, glory, many women, riches, and a peaceful death rather than impoverished suffering and public execution.)

To my knowledge -- college dorm room showings of Zeitgeist aside -- there is simply no serious historical debate about whether Jesus of Nazereth, often called Christ, existed.  He's sufficiently well-attested that everybody pretty well agrees he happened, that he preached at least some of the things the synoptic Gospels say he taught, and that he was executed. The debate is about whether Christ's miracles, and in particular his alleged resurrection, actually happened. And a lot of that debate, IMO, comes from unwarranted skepticism about the possibility of miracles because way too many people fell for David Hume's ridiculous standard of evidence for miracles.  Since we've already accepted that an omnipotent immaterial Creator exists, above, the claims the Gospels (and Acts) make don't require an especially high standard of proof.

Are the Gospels' claims plausible? Given what we already know about God's omnipotence, yes, these are plausible claims. Do they contradict anything we know about the universe? No. Are they contradicted by other contemporary sources? No. Are they reinforced by one another and by other contemporary and subsequent sources? As well as could be expected in 1st-century Palestine, though not as well as I'd like -- I'd love for Josephus and Clement of Alexandria to have been a little earlier and quite a bit more thorough. Are they more plausible than contradictory claims made by other religions? I think so... although, if you get to the end of this and decide Zoroastrianism makes claims more plausible than Christianity, you go where your reason tells you.  Does accepting these claims explain anything useful about today's world? Yes: we can finally stop forcing ourselves to explain away each and every single supernatural claim ever made as a trick or a delusion; we can just take the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima (for instance) and say it may have happened (or may not have happened). Accepting the Jesus hypothesis answers a few related questions as well.

That's not a proof, because historical "proofs" do not exist, but it's good enough reason, I think, to repent of my sins and believe in the Gospel.

What this subscribes you to: Christianity
What this doesn't subscribe you to: organized Christianity (although, once you take the Gospels as read, I admit it's not a long jump from Point A to Point B). Also, accepting some form of Christianity does not necessarily exclude at least some other religious claims.

Heaven: Jesus talks about Heaven a lot in the Gospels. If you think the Gospels correctly conveyed Jesus's words, and that Jesus was probably the god he claimed to be, then Heaven probably exists. If not, then we still must accept an immaterial state of being, because of souls and God and so forth, but this state would not have any of the attributes Christians generally associate with Heaven.

What this subscribes you to: nothing particularly

We see from the foregoing that atheism and materialism are both false, and so, while tolerating the error for the sake of human freedom, we should also work to prevent their demonstrably flawed conclusions and "completely unfounded assumptions" from influencing public policy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Wurdulac on October 19, 2017, 12:19:05 am
Proof that souls, God, Jesus, and Heaven all exist!

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The Soul: Back in the 5th century B.C., the philosopher Parmenides persuasively argued that, because it is impossible and absurd for something not to exist (because if it doesn't exist, it isn't something and can't be spoken of)....

Made it that far before my brain said "that is the dumbest fucking thing" and refused to read further.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on October 19, 2017, 12:36:41 am
Proof that souls, God, Jesus, and Heaven all exist!

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The Soul: Back in the 5th century B.C., the philosopher Parmenides persuasively argued that, because it is impossible and absurd for something not to exist (because if it doesn't exist, it isn't something and can't be spoken of)....

Made it that far before my brain said "that is the dumbest fucking thing" and refused to read further.

I'd read further, because he gives his refutation in the next paragraph.

EDIT: In fact, in the next few sentences...

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He proved that, under the basically materialist physical theories of the world that dominated Greek science to that point, the observable universe could only exist as an utterly undifferentiated, eternal, motionless, and changeless infinity of matter. Since this flew in the face of all observable evidence (the world does, in fact, change!), the next several centuries were spent trying to dig physicalism out of the hole Parmenides had pushed it into.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Wurdulac on October 19, 2017, 11:23:14 pm
Proof that souls, God, Jesus, and Heaven all exist!

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The Soul: Back in the 5th century B.C., the philosopher Parmenides persuasively argued that, because it is impossible and absurd for something not to exist (because if it doesn't exist, it isn't something and can't be spoken of)....

Made it that far before my brain said "that is the dumbest fucking thing" and refused to read further.

I'd read further, because he gives his refutation in the next paragraph.

EDIT: In fact, in the next few sentences...

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He proved that, under the basically materialist physical theories of the world that dominated Greek science to that point, the observable universe could only exist as an utterly undifferentiated, eternal, motionless, and changeless infinity of matter. Since this flew in the face of all observable evidence (the world does, in fact, change!), the next several centuries were spent trying to dig physicalism out of the hole Parmenides had pushed it into.

I don't think that refutes the part I quoted.  Also, I read further.  Lots of shifting goal posts, conflation of ideas, typical stuff.  Could probably do a point-by-point refutation but, like most everything, that seems really pointless.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on October 20, 2017, 12:04:59 am
Proof that souls, God, Jesus, and Heaven all exist!

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The Soul: Back in the 5th century B.C., the philosopher Parmenides persuasively argued that, because it is impossible and absurd for something not to exist (because if it doesn't exist, it isn't something and can't be spoken of)....

Made it that far before my brain said "that is the dumbest fucking thing" and refused to read further.

I'd read further, because he gives his refutation in the next paragraph.

EDIT: In fact, in the next few sentences...

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He proved that, under the basically materialist physical theories of the world that dominated Greek science to that point, the observable universe could only exist as an utterly undifferentiated, eternal, motionless, and changeless infinity of matter. Since this flew in the face of all observable evidence (the world does, in fact, change!), the next several centuries were spent trying to dig physicalism out of the hole Parmenides had pushed it into.

I don't think that refutes the part I quoted.  Also, I read further.  Lots of shifting goal posts, conflation of ideas, typical stuff.  Could probably do a point-by-point refutation but, like most everything, that seems really pointless.

What I told him was that even if I accepted everything he said, I find the Christian god (and indeed monotheistic gods in general) to be so heinous that if one exists, I'm doing everything I can to kill the fucker.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: pyro on October 20, 2017, 02:59:18 pm
I just generally dislike long, English-language, philosophical arguments. Too much sesquipedalian loquaciousness (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SesquipedalianLoquaciousness), and not enough use of actual mathematical proof or scientific experimentation. I mean, how is "if it doesn't exist I cannot talk about it" a valid syllogism? I can talk about my third arm, despite not having one, and I can talk about married bachelors, which cannot exist even in principle.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on October 20, 2017, 07:53:54 pm
I just generally dislike long, English-language, philosophical arguments. Too much sesquipedalian loquaciousness (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SesquipedalianLoquaciousness), and not enough use of actual mathematical proof or scientific experimentation. I mean, how is "if it doesn't exist I cannot talk about it" a valid syllogism? I can talk about my third arm, despite not having one, and I can talk about married bachelors, which cannot exist even in principle.

And then he goes on to basically steal his entire argument from Aquinas, who himself (by his own admission) stole it all from Aristotle.

Anyway...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5000962/Jenna-Jameson-likes-transphobic-tweets-Playboy-diss.html (link contains implied nudity)

Playboy just had their first transgender playmate. So what does Jenna Jameson (who was never a playmate) do?

Go on a huge transphobic Twitter rant.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on October 21, 2017, 03:15:57 pm
Glad I've never liked her porn.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on October 30, 2017, 02:55:47 am
So I came across a piece of shit blog dedicated to hero worshiping Marc Lepine.  (If you don`t know Marc was an attention seeking egocentric turd who back in 1989 got made that he didn`t get into the college he wanted, decided this was because of a feminist plot, so he sent a rambling screed threatening to kill various women, got a gun and killed 14 women before killing himself.)

The blogger has a different interpretation of his actions:

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The fantastic message of love of Marc Lepine


Why a red ribbon? Is it not the color of the AIDS campaign already? We would have liked to find an original color, but all colors are already taken. White, red, green, blue, yellow, brown, black, even intermediary colors like lime, cherry or fuschia: they have all been taken by some social cause or left-wing campaign, much to the point that certain colors are shared now by more than one institution or fundraiser. Facing such a difficult choice, Red vs White seemed the best solution.



The Red Ribbon campaign makes plain to all that Marc Lepine is in fact a kind of liberator and that December 6 could finally become something positive. Liberator, how so? He liberates women from the unhealthy thoughts of genocide and gendercide that were prevalent in the feminist discourse since the days of Valerie Solanas and Mary Daly, and helps them STOP their planned monstrosities. The message is here: stop hurting men and be good to them, and they will stop hating you. They could even start to like you again some day. This is the Red Ribbon message of Marc that we can oppose to the White Ribbon of shame, guilt and hatred.



Marc Lepine tells women and feminists YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE MONTERS ANYMORE. He tells these thousands of women and feminists who have stolen their partner's house, their car, their money, he tells those who have stolen their ex-husband's children, their jobs and drove them to suicide: STOP TO BE MONSTERS, stop to secretly dream of killing men and planning gendercide, and we will perhaps begin again to love you some day. This is a powerful message, A MESSAGE OF LOVE, worthy of a new Christ.



The Red Ribbon campaign aims at ''unmonster'' women. It gives back their dignity to former feminazis, and allows those who performed atrocities without clearly realizing it, or misguided by their peers and under orders from the feminist war machine, to choose the path to REDEMPTION. To proudly wear this Red Ribbon is to show the world that YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE MONTERS ANYMORE, there is a way to salvation. Marc has given back women their dignity: he says ''be good and men will immediately stop to hate you, even start to like you again''. This is the powerful MESSAGE OF LOVE, and message of hope of Marc Lepine. Stop planning gendercide and stop acting like monsters, and we will start to love you again!



BUT WHY SHOULD WE LOVE YOU?

Why not? The killer saint tells them: ''let's save the planet from genocide. You don't have to read these books of vengeance anymore, like Mary Daly and Valerie Solanas, you don't have to plan massacres of male children in our hospitals anymore''. The iconic killer tells them: ''I'm ready to forgive you my children''. According to him, he would even be willing to forgive them the destruction of the environment which has been caused qui by feminine franctic consumerism for more than a century. Ladies, join this campaign of love of Marc: throw away this white ribbon of hate and replace it with the red color of love. Together, let us ''unmonster'' our society !
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on December 04, 2017, 06:38:18 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQHQVJSX0AA7ggc.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 04, 2017, 07:33:05 am
I just generally dislike long, English-language, philosophical arguments. Too much sesquipedalian loquaciousness (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SesquipedalianLoquaciousness), and not enough use of actual mathematical proof or scientific experimentation. I mean, how is "if it doesn't exist I cannot talk about it" a valid syllogism? I can talk about my third arm, despite not having one, and I can talk about married bachelors, which cannot exist even in principle.

And then he goes on to basically steal his entire argument from Aquinas, who himself (by his own admission) stole it all from Aristotle.

Anyway...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5000962/Jenna-Jameson-likes-transphobic-tweets-Playboy-diss.html (link contains implied nudity)

Playboy just had their first transgender playmate. So what does Jenna Jameson (who was never a playmate) do?

Go on a huge transphobic Twitter rant.


I'd just like to say that it's been almost two months and she's still fighting her little Twitter war. I like a good internet argument every now and again, but that's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 10, 2017, 03:17:49 pm
Since I don't think this is quite crazy enough to go in the Crazy Things thread:

(http://78.media.tumblr.com/0e4a5aed4ecfe903c2240645984224ca/tumblr_inline_oyhfqphGxI1rwn40l_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on December 10, 2017, 05:06:44 pm
Same Poster, Most Likely: Holding your baby is two ended rape! You're raping your baby and your baby is raping you! EVERYBODY IS RAPING EVERYBODY ELSE! (starts foaming at the mouth)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on December 11, 2017, 08:04:28 pm
Dealing with sexual abuse the Christian way!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQzreimX0AAjBIS.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on December 11, 2017, 08:06:12 pm
IF abused was not at fault? FUCK YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR YOU FUCK
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 13, 2017, 01:15:49 am
Since I don't think this is quite crazy enough to go in the Crazy Things thread:

(http://78.media.tumblr.com/0e4a5aed4ecfe903c2240645984224ca/tumblr_inline_oyhfqphGxI1rwn40l_500.jpg)

I refuse to believe a real person believes this. I'm calling poe.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on December 15, 2017, 11:44:26 pm
In other news Ann Coulter is desperately lonely and will die alone (http://www.joemygod.com/2017/12/15/ann-coulter-im-lonely-will-die-alone/)

(http://www.joemygod.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/acc-660x330.jpg)

@dpareja

As you will no doubt be shocked, just shocked, to learn, the guy who made that has been accused of multiple counts of sexual assault.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/january/more-women-sue-bill-gothard-iblp-alleging-sexual-abuse.html
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on December 16, 2017, 12:12:05 am
So does this mean that all those incel sites are actually just full of Coulter sockpuppets? That would explain a lot...

As for that guy being charged with sexual assault, I'm sure he'll be fine. After all, they must all have deserved it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 16, 2017, 11:09:11 am
Playing Devil's Advocate for a second, Ann does have something resembling a point.  I'm...not too partial towards giving tax breaks to those who reproduce; or, at the very least, those who reproduce past two children.  We're going to start feeling the weight of horrific overpopulation, likely in my lifetime, unless we do SOMETHING to either a) teach people to be more responsible (and make taking such responsibility easier) or b) disincentivise people from reproduction beyond replacement rate.  The more people we have, the more mouths we have to feed, and having a child is pretty much the single most environmentally unfriendly thing one can do.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 16, 2017, 01:39:23 pm
Playing Devil's Advocate for a second, Ann does have something resembling a point.  I'm...not too partial towards giving tax breaks to those who reproduce; or, at the very least, those who reproduce past two children.  We're going to start feeling the weight of horrific overpopulation, likely in my lifetime, unless we do SOMETHING to either a) teach people to be more responsible (and make taking such responsibility easier) or b) disincentivise people from reproduction beyond replacement rate.  The more people we have, the more mouths we have to feed, and having a child is pretty much the single most environmentally unfriendly thing one can do.

The fertility rate in the US is 1.84 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_fertility_rate), already below replacement.

In general, developed nations have below-replacement fertility rates. If you're worried about overpopulation, you should probably focus on interventions in the developing world.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 16, 2017, 01:51:28 pm
This is true.  Of course, try telling the Vatican and other forced-birth cultists that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 16, 2017, 03:10:44 pm
This is true.  Of course, try telling the Vatican and other forced-birth cultists that.

Oh yeah, no argument there. The Vatican's campaign against contraception is evil.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on December 16, 2017, 03:25:00 pm
Don't know why Ann's so lonely.  She just got proposed to by Fredrick Douglass.

Ironbite-man I hope those two kids make it!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 22, 2017, 04:39:51 am
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They really need their boogeymen.

Imagine if the BLM and ANTIFA had even half the power and numbers that the these people think they do...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 22, 2017, 06:16:29 pm
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25497939_1881323912177629_3046588100283676147_n.jpg?oh=3ad4272c06caabb37a5899bffb216867&oe=5AC9375D)

They really need their boogeymen.

Imagine if the BLM and ANTIFA had even half the power and numbers that the these people think they do...

How incompetent does this idiot think the Secret Service is? And since when does BLM have commandos?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 22, 2017, 10:56:42 pm
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25497939_1881323912177629_3046588100283676147_n.jpg?oh=3ad4272c06caabb37a5899bffb216867&oe=5AC9375D)

They really need their boogeymen.

Imagine if the BLM and ANTIFA had even half the power and numbers that the these people think they do...

How incompetent does this idiot think the Secret Service is? And since when does BLM have commandos?

SOROS FUNDED BLM MILITANT COMMANDOS would be a good low-budget satire film.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 31, 2017, 02:14:01 am
So, there's this person who (bear with me) draws porn and puts it on the net. He even gets money from fans who want to see more of his stuff.

Some people complain about him because they consider his art to be "creepy." And then there's a guy who points out that he once drew a woman in Nazi uniform and that this makes him "literally a Nazi."

Like, it's not even NSFW so I can just show you the picture:
(https://i.redd.it/s10jpck65z001.jpg)

There. Doesn't seem that bad. There are plenty of reasons to draw Nazis. Maybe they are a villain in a story? Maybe you just think that the costumes are cool? Maybe someone offered to pay you money and you thought that having more money would be cool?

Anyway, I would not have thought much about this if the artist in question didn't show up to say this in his defense:

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Call me all you want. You wouldn't last 10 minutes in a debate about any subject within politics, philosophy, sociology or economics with me anyway. Or would you? Because so far, all I see is that you're just another sad millenial that has only ever learned anything about conservatism or the right via some random snowflake on youtube, Tumblr or Twitter. Or even worse, from a canned commie history teacher in school. Do you fap to hentai still living with mom too? I really hope you don't. The mere fact you mentioned the word "fascist" and Nazi towards my person gives away the fact you are clueless just like 99% of the SJWs, Antifas, Blackblocs.

Feel welcome to invite me to a debate if you want. Until then, you can downvote and play the 20-something year old millenial with college debt you probably are all you want, I won't mind. Feel free to say I was triggered by you. Would entertain me even further if you did.

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Assume I'm 40, then. Can you debate a 40 yr old conservative if you're so sure you're on the "good side of the force"?

Or does my "high and mighty intellect" posing scare you so much all you can do is to keep calling conservatives (which is more than clear you know zero about) things like "fascist" and "nazi" (and you don't even know what these mean! lol lol)? At least you know what a snowflake is to acknowledge my tease on millenials.

Perhaps you guys want to be right, instead of accepting whatever is right. Perhaps that's why you guys need to appeal to trolling, bullying, censoring, reporting/nuking accounts, breaking stuff, all in the name of your supposed "justice" (which again, you people have no idea of what it actually is or means). Perhaps you really can't handle pure reasoning. Perhaps you can just be driven by how you feel about things, because debating requires actually knowing what you are talking about, doesn't it?

Is your knowledge about what you think you defend so shallow and weak this is the best you can pull off? You are still closing your eyes and ears and screaming "lalala pedo nazi-fash lalala". Left wing stereotypes really are hard to miss.

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You might assume I'm a nazi for the Korra pinup. But I'm definitely not assuming you know why the Nazis hated the jews (even less why the Left is against Israel while at the same time defending the same "melanin-filled" muslims who... Hitler allied with... Against the jews...). But yeah, makes perfect sense that right-wingers are nazis. Total sense.

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    Hitler didn't like Jews because he's a horrible piece of shit?

And that, folks, is the level of millenials/SJW/Antifas/Blackblocs when it comes to debate. Because that's why a syndicalist socialist party that literally condemned "reactionaries" (aka conservatives) in their official hymn decided to tackle jewish people: because nazis were assholes? hahaahahahahahah is the school system really that fucked?

That's all you need to know to be smart enough to go around calling conservatives "nazis"? And definitely enough to say I am "the bad guy"? Hahahah oh man

Little hint: no, it had nothing to do with "judeo-bolshevism". The "jews" behind big-banks and the media are enemies of Judaism (that's why they attack Israel via the media all the time). The original Jews were the creators of what later became known as the "bourgeois". That is why Hitler ostensively claimed "Wenn wir Sozialisten sind, dann müssen wir definitiv Antisemiten sein." ("if we're socialists, then we must definitevely be antisemites"). Jews are the very foundation of what anyone today calls "conservatism". The idea of meritocratic free-market capitalism came from them. And you brain-dead millenials call us "nazis" and "fascists" while defending the agenda and religion that killed actual jews and christians, and even allied with the nazis back in the days.

(oh, and has it ever crossed your mind that... maybe I drew this piece because someone paid me to draw it, just like I've drawn pretty much anything? If I draw gay sex, doesn't mean I'm gay.)

Oh man, oh man...

That's a reaction and a half. This isn't just digging yourself deeper, this is drilling a hole 10 km deep and then detonating a nuke there to open up a chasm that leads directly into Balrog town and then going there with a shovel because it's still not deep enough.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 31, 2017, 03:08:42 am
What the fuck is up with her face? It's like the exact moment that she realised that she sharted.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 31, 2017, 10:49:56 am
It's just the way he draws faces. It's among the least horrible of his faults.

(https://i.imgur.com/czgPast.png)

...What a snowflake.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on December 31, 2017, 03:26:48 pm
I just think he's pissed Tracer won't fuck him
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 31, 2017, 06:04:43 pm
It's like the bastard offspring of /pol and a stack of thesauruses.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 02, 2018, 03:11:21 am
It's just the way he draws faces. It's among the least horrible of his faults.

(https://i.imgur.com/czgPast.png)

...What a snowflake.

"How many actual families do you see in Overwatch"

Well, since he's complaining about Emily (a character whos only appeared, in comics and such, not actually in-game yet) let's list a bunch of lore-important families from all multimedia pieces of OW.
-The Amari family: Ana and her unnamed Husband. parents of Fareeha/Pharah
-The Lindholm Family: Torbjorn, his wife, and several kids including Brigitte
-The Lacroix Family: Widowmaker/Emilia and her deceased husband Gerard
-The Shimada Crime Family: Hanzo and Genji are the children. Don't know much about the parents but they were probably cis straight Japanese Mafia members consisting of one man and one woman who gave birth to the duo.
-Orisa was created by Efi Oledele, a small African girl who lives with her parents in their city, Numbani.

That's off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 11, 2018, 10:28:47 pm
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Ever wonder why jews were so hated by germans? It was not for no reason. Very good reasons in fact. Such as international jewry officially declaring war on germany in 1933 after hitler was elected and kicked out the bankers and freemasons and recovering the economy, as well as sinking 2 cruise ships full of civilian families, and selling germany out in ww1 (look up the Balfour Declaration)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 12, 2018, 06:12:45 am
OK, so Wil Wheaton posts a picture of a pornstar. Then a random reader decides to response like this:

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What does your wife think of posts like that?

Speaking of which, my boyfriend is not getting sex the next time he wants it.


Because, that's clearly a healthy relationship.

Speaking of Wheaton, some random "stupidsphere" members pinged him on Reddit to insult him (as they often do) and had a minor fit when they realized that he also posts porn on Reddit on his own account. And works or has worked for a pornsite.

...Because doing any of those on a secret alt account would be fine for the latter group (getting caught being the only thing they consider a crime) and the FB poster is clearly just a very fragile and overly jealous person.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 12, 2018, 09:03:33 am
Yeah if Wheaton can piss off the stupidsphere, he'll do it.

Ironbite-it's...admirable how little of a fuck he actually gives.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 14, 2018, 05:09:47 am
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26229789_10215263368837272_6874354523268282086_n.jpg?oh=aeacb5dc1621f6845535bfd668435042&oe=5AEBCDE8)

Translation: Junes Lokka a city councilor in Oulu and a "immigration critical" politician complains that the police have stopped investigating the "getting pushed into a car" incident. He then called the police and told "the retard" that if the police don't care about it then he will handle it with his own crew. He then says that he is making a video where he promises a bounty for anyone who kills those "Antifa-scums."

So... We have a Finnish politician who is inciting violence and trying to recruit vigilanties by offering a bounty on people's heads. Also, the "incident" that he refers to is him trying to incite a fight at a protest and getting shoved. He did get shoved, but he didn't fall onto a road and even if he had, that road was empty at the time.

EDIT: Here's the video of the incident that he made.

https://vk.com/video426827542_456239029

(On the Russian Facebook-copy of course.)

He refers to the people on the video with titles such as "fat whore" and "nigger." On the video he is only talking about a reward for "information" but the comment on the screencap uses the word "kill money" which refers to bounty that a person gets for killing a destructive animal.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 15, 2018, 10:10:03 pm
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Oh look, another Jewey show trying to normalize anti-white narratives.

If anyone has the faintest idea how Bob's Burgers is anti-white, I'm honestly curious.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 18, 2018, 04:01:45 am
Libertarians:
(https://i.redditmedia.com/4MhcwPK374ZqEjkWRI6QyKhs4li8g-U91Ok7_KrF_g8.jpg?w=873&s=800f2f57c75a46c457794984c5736272)

Once again proving that, yes... There really are stupid questions.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 18, 2018, 06:20:28 am
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Oh look, another Jewey show trying to normalize anti-white narratives.

If anyone has the faintest idea how Bob's Burgers is anti-white, I'm honestly curious.

Because all of the media is, obviously!
And why?
Because I said it is!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on January 18, 2018, 06:37:09 am
Libertarians:
(click to show/hide)




...Pardon fuck?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 18, 2018, 11:33:29 am
I actually understand the point they're trying to make but it's completely insane one.

Ironbite-don't try going down this rabbit hole, it leads nowhere good.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 18, 2018, 11:43:22 am
I actually understand the point they're trying to make but it's completely insane one.

Ironbite-don't try going down this rabbit hole, it leads nowhere good.

I have to admit, I'm not quite sure what "property rights" has to do with breastfeeding.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 18, 2018, 11:58:20 am
The early voting for the presidential election is going on here and it seems someone had a brilliant idea. There is an image of a fake election ad with the following text going around in the social media: "Are you against forced deportations? Show your solidarity by writing #stopdeportations in the voting ticket!" The ad uses the old logo of the Left Alliance party.

Why is this more than satire? A voting ticket with any other markings than the candidate's number is invalid. A satirical ad is one thing, sabotaging the voting procedure is another. In a tight municipality or parliamentary election this could have concrete effect on the election results, luckily any influence it might have on the presidential election results is insignificant. Even if the Left Alliance candidate would get a few less votes it doesn't matter in the greater scale.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 18, 2018, 03:05:25 pm
A politician (well, a backup for an elected municipal politician, so a really minor person) from the Finns* was among those spreading the sabotage ad on FB.

They took it down after one of the party leaders personally told them to do so and tried to defend themselves by saying that of course it wasn't intentional sabotage and asked if there's a rule against helping other parties... Because of course that's the plausible answer? Rather than them intentionally trying to sabotage the party that is pretty much their ideological opposite?



the resident right-wing-racist party. One that was formerly a populist party with a notable racist subset within it but was recently taken over by the racists leading into party splitting 50/50 into a new part as everyone who didn't want to be in a party where racism is the major point left
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 19, 2018, 04:58:06 am
Https://m.imgur.com/a/pYC4N

Not so fun when it's a GOP president who has a sex scandal is it?

Edit because I'm an idiot.


(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/26907922_759263997595_7511788801122307800_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=8baba8081e381fe246176f3c720de7b3&oe=5AF47BA3)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 20, 2018, 05:20:54 pm
......no that's not how that works Tucker.

Ironbite-you raging idiot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 20, 2018, 05:50:56 pm
......no that's not how that works Tucker.

Ironbite-you raging idiot.

It is if you think America = majority white. The ethno-nationalism is so obvious it's hard to call it implicit.

As a side note, I agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates about what is probably going to happen when whites will soon become a minority in the US: the definition of "white" is going to be changed. The latinos are (edit: relatively) suddenly going to become white and the order of things is going to stay more comfortable.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 20, 2018, 09:07:21 pm
......no that's not how that works Tucker.

Ironbite-you raging idiot.

It is if you think America = majority white. The ethno-nationalism is so obvious it's hard to call it implicit.

As a side note, I agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates about what is probably going to happen when whites will soon become a minority in the US: the definition of "white" is going to be changed. The latinos are (edit: relatively) suddenly going to become white and the order of things is going to stay more comfortable.

Probably the Asians before the Latinos.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 21, 2018, 01:37:12 am
As a side note, I agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates about what is probably going to happen when whites will soon become a minority in the US: the definition of "white" is going to be changed. The latinos are (edit: relatively) suddenly going to become white and the order of things is going to stay more comfortable.

Probably the Asians before the Latinos.

Latinos look more like dark skinned whites than Asians do, speak an European language and are mostly Christian. The way we think about race means it's easier to expand whiteness to include them despite there being more negative stereotypes attached to them.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 23, 2018, 09:37:25 am
Like they did with the Irish and Italians back at the turn of the century? Yeah, that makes sense. Pull the race color card once more slot. They've already decided Catholics are Christian (only) when counted on the census.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 23, 2018, 06:50:36 pm
Like they did with the Irish and Italians back at the turn of the century? Yeah, that makes sense. Pull the race color card once more slot. They've already decided Catholics are Christian (only) when counted on the census.

And Finns, by the way. For a while you weren't sure if we were just a bit too Asian/Mongol looking to be included in the glorious White race.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 23, 2018, 08:22:03 pm
Like they did with the Irish and Italians back at the turn of the century? Yeah, that makes sense. Pull the race color card once more slot. They've already decided Catholics are Christian (only) when counted on the census.

Were the Irish and Italians ever considered outright non-white? I know they were thought of as "lesser," but I didn't think they were thought of as different races.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 23, 2018, 10:11:35 pm
 Yeah, below middle European but above middle eastern. The signs used to read Irish and Negros Need Not Apply. Same with Italians, depending where and when you were here.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 24, 2018, 10:07:52 am
https://www.hameensanomat.fi/kolumnit/343803-hairintakeskustelu-lahti-laukalle


...I am going to have to translate the relevant points of this but this is a bad one.

this is a column by a Finnish reporter where he complains about the waves of the "me too" movement hitting Finland. The union of journalists had a survey on how many reporters have faced sexual harassment and came up with the results being 50% ...This reporter then complains that since the survey only asked 2% of journalists in Finland this means that only 1% have ever been victims of harassment and men are merely being portrayed as harassers. Which in itself shows that they have no idea how surveys work.

He then goes on to downplay the examples of harassment by commenting that most of the incidents were yawn worthy. Also, he realizes that he has done a lot of the things that women complain about and since HIS wife liked being treated like that then it means that no woman actually dislikes it and therefore this is all "exaggerations and mass hysteria."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 24, 2018, 11:12:58 am
this is a column by a Finnish reporter where he complains about the waves of the "me too" movement hitting Finland. The union of journalists had a survey on how many reporters have faced sexual harassment and came up with the results being 50% ...This reporter then complains that since the survey only asked 2% of journalists in Finland this means that only 1% have ever been victims of harassment and men are merely being portrayed as harassers. Which in itself shows that they have no idea how surveys work.

This survey was done by the Journalists' Union and he might have a seed of truth in his criticism. If the survey was done by just sending it to all the members it would not be representative - having encountered harassment means you are more likely to go through the trouble of answering it than if you haven't encountered harassment. It doesn't mean that his idiotic implication that every single harassed person answered the survey is the truth either, the percentage would just be lower than what the survey shows. Unfortunately, based on a quick search the Journalists' Union doesn't appear to have published this survey on their website so it might also have used a completely statistically valid method for all we know. In either case the number of people having been harassed seems to be alarming.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 24, 2018, 10:24:45 pm
There's also the question of how they define "sexual harassment" to consider. Do we know?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 25, 2018, 01:11:05 am
Grabbing boobs "accidentally" while pretending to trip, grabbing a woman and kissing them without a warning, walking up to a fellow employee and suddenly whispering "I'm horny" in their ear, giving a dick shaped mic to a female reporter and saying "as a woman, I'm sure you can appreciate this *wink wink*" and so on.

Obviously there are men who fall victim to harassment as well. Like a guy who said that a woman who is his superiour has been harassing him for years and everyone at the office simply thinks that it is funny, or drunk older ladies trying to drag a young guy off to the side at an office party because they got horny and don't think that he has anything to say on whether or not to have sex.

Also complaints that reporting harassment to bosses rarely helps as victims aren't believed or the behaviour isn't seen being wrong.

https://www.journalisti.fi/artikkelit/2017/13/hirint-kaikissa-muodoissaan/
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 25, 2018, 03:48:37 am
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My position on abortion remains the same. Don't want one? Don't have one.
Ah, yes, I call this one the "Jefferson Davis" position.

You know you've gone a bit too far when...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dappler on January 25, 2018, 05:24:42 am
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Ah, yes, I call this one the "Jefferson Davis" position.
Because abortion = slavery ?? ???

Also vaguely ironic - not for the Yankee Godwin, but for the fact that most evangelical pro-'life'rs kinda heart JD deep down. (Abortion - WW'JD'D? Fundie head asplodes...)

It'd be a bit like pulling an actual Godwin on Stormfront. Depending upon context and execution - either classy trolling, or a massive fail.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 25, 2018, 02:22:27 pm
I've experienced this garbage firsthand. A friend of mine is personally opposed to abortion but still supports a woman's right to choose. The Stephen Douglas comparisons got old long ago.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 25, 2018, 04:01:36 pm
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Ah, yes, I call this one the "Jefferson Davis" position.
Because abortion = slavery ?? ???

Also vaguely ironic - not for the Yankee Godwin, but for the fact that most evangelical pro-'life'rs kinda heart JD deep down. (Abortion - WW'JD'D? Fundie head asplodes...)

It'd be a bit like pulling an actual Godwin on Stormfront. Depending upon context and execution - either classy trolling, or a massive fail.

Oh, it's not trolling. He's firmly pro-life.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 26, 2018, 03:28:17 am
Libertarians: Everything is slavery and rape.

Also Libertarians: ...except slavery and rape.

(https://i.imgur.com/wgjLTQh.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wxgdJ6e.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/7qxyaq/this_is_the_quality_of_debate_you_can_expect_on/dst84f9/?context=8
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 26, 2018, 10:51:37 am
Libertarians: proof that even otherwise smart people can be knuckle-dragging retards.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2018, 09:46:45 pm
Reddit really is the new Youtube.

Their comments section is where faith in humanity goes to die!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2018, 10:58:46 pm
(https://i.redd.it/lsv625ivp7c01.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 26, 2018, 11:24:14 pm
(https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/067/5e/whiguyblink.gif)

Really, I just... I can't think of anything to say. That's downright delusional.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on January 26, 2018, 11:56:21 pm
Libertarians: Everything is slavery and rape.

Also Libertarians: ...except slavery and rape.

(https://i.imgur.com/wgjLTQh.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wxgdJ6e.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/7qxyaq/this_is_the_quality_of_debate_you_can_expect_on/dst84f9/?context=8

Lolbertarians: not as obnoxious as other kinds of extremist, but you still wouldn't want to hang out with them.

(https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/067/5e/whiguyblink.gif)

Really, I just... I can't think of anything to say. That's downright delusional.

Not to mention horrifying.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 01, 2018, 10:18:24 pm
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Ah, yes, I call this one the "Jefferson Davis" position.
Because abortion = slavery ?? ???

Also vaguely ironic - not for the Yankee Godwin, but for the fact that most evangelical pro-'life'rs kinda heart JD deep down. (Abortion - WW'JD'D? Fundie head asplodes...)

It'd be a bit like pulling an actual Godwin on Stormfront. Depending upon context and execution - either classy trolling, or a massive fail.

Oh, it's not trolling. He's firmly pro-life.

Further on this, if that's what he considers the "Jefferson Davis" position, I'm not sure if I want to know what he'd consider the "Albert Gallatin Brown" position.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 04, 2018, 07:38:57 am
So, there's a guy who goes on a long "how is X racist?" "Just asking questions here." "What are you insinuating about me?" type of defense of neo-Nazi propaganda.

Then someone brings a screencap of their post history:

(https://i.imgur.com/hYzmUtq.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 04, 2018, 12:23:49 pm
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/22ee1e1ef8920ef514d82a8d51d746d5/tumblr_nqm9hs96z01rbqtcxo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dappler on February 04, 2018, 02:28:42 pm
Ah, the good old, if you think sex is great, there's no such thing as rape line of 'thinking'. (yanno - cutting to the crux and crucially and spectacularly missing THE key element that actually makes sex great)

Jermaine S. (sockpuppet Esquire?) Come on down and pick up your never had (and never going to have) a relationship award!



(If you like decorating Christmas trees, you must love lynchings...)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: lord gibbon on February 04, 2018, 10:16:35 pm
It's like these people have never heard of the word consent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Random Gal on February 07, 2018, 01:00:33 pm
Here's a delightful little conversation I had on Omegle just now: http://logs.omegle.com/fc901ca9d78d4e5d
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 08, 2018, 07:07:30 am
"Sargon of Akkad" just called his alt right fans a buncha slurs for black, gay and Jewish people.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfFai-0hqH0

Also laments they're being "disrespectful" to him, hence him calling them a bunch of n***er f****ts.

Now, where the fuck is my popcorn?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 08, 2018, 02:11:14 pm
"Sargon of Akkad" just called his alt right fans a buncha slurs for black, gay and Jewish people.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfFai-0hqH0

Also laments they're being "disrespectful" to him, hence him calling them a bunch of n***er f****ts.

Now, where the fuck is my popcorn?

He should stick to tweeting interracial porn at them.

And holy shit, that comments section.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 09, 2018, 12:10:05 am
It's like everyone and everything is calling everything else a cuck.

These guys are eating themselves alive.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 09, 2018, 09:17:17 am
This is pretty old, but it contains some of the rankest Galactic Empire apologia I've ever seen:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/full/the-case-for-the-empire/article/2540 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/full/the-case-for-the-empire/article/2540)

With some bonus Pinochet whitewashing!

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Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator--but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet.

"Relatively benign?" Tell that to the people who had to live under him. He may not have been as bad as some other dictators (from what I know, he wasn't into ethnic cleansing), but that's not a ringing endorsement of his character so much as it is a statement on the depths of depravity that human beings can sink to.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 09, 2018, 09:19:43 am
Yeah the embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force who authorizes the building of planet destroying weapons is totally a benevolent person.  What with his flat out refusal to acknowledge that non-human species had any intrinsic value whatsoever except as a cheap labor force.  No he's totally on our side here.

Ironbite-idiot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 10, 2018, 06:46:44 am
Using a real life tinpot dictator who regularly"disappeared" innocents to be horrifically tortured and killed as an example of why a fictional villain is..."benign?"

Can we feed it to a real-life Sarlacc, please?

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 10, 2018, 10:06:33 am
Yeah the embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force who authorizes the building of planet destroying weapons is totally a benevolent person.  What with his flat out refusal to acknowledge that non-human species had any intrinsic value whatsoever except as a cheap labor force.  No he's totally on our side here.

Ironbite-idiot.

"B-but Thrawn!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 10, 2018, 03:19:37 pm
Fuck Thrawn.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 11, 2018, 03:47:26 am
In the old canon Thrawn enslaved nations (like the Noghri) used torture, mass murder, terror and subterfuge to reach his goals.

He supposedly just wanted to unite the galaxy to be able to fight the Juuzhan Vong but you'd think that just saying "Dudes! There's these alien warmonger horde and it's coming right for us! We gotta fight together!" (or some more eloquent way to phrase that) would have also been effective AND it would not have caused millions of deaths in a unnecessary war that simply made the galaxy weaker.

...But that's just me and I don't know what the current canon on him is because Season 2 of the Rebels is still unavailable on Netflix...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 14, 2018, 06:08:24 am
(https://i.redd.it/3uh2cehkx1g01.png)

...I have no words.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 14, 2018, 09:20:58 am
These folks do know that "Hitler did nothing wrong" is just a meme, right?  Like Tide Pods and Ugandan Knuckles?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 14, 2018, 09:37:37 am
I guess you could say that they do not kno de wey.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 14, 2018, 12:43:29 pm
clickclickclick
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 14, 2018, 04:16:39 pm
In the old canon Thrawn enslaved nations (like the Noghri) used torture, mass murder, terror and subterfuge to reach his goals.

He supposedly just wanted to unite the galaxy to be able to fight the Juuzhan Vong but you'd think that just saying "Dudes! There's these alien warmonger horde and it's coming right for us! We gotta fight together!" (or some more eloquent way to phrase that) would have also been effective AND it would not have caused millions of deaths in a unnecessary war that simply made the galaxy weaker.

...But that's just me and I don't know what the current canon on him is because Season 2 of the Rebels is still unavailable on Netflix...

Well, in the new continuity, Thrawn's pretty ruthless. I don't want to go into spoiler territory, but I'll just say that somebody willing to throw their own subordinates under the bus to further their own plans isn't exactly what you'd call a nice guy.

(https://i.redd.it/3uh2cehkx1g01.png)

...I have no words.

There's a fine line between understanding that Hitler wasn't "all evil, all the time" and whitewashing him. It's a line these comments are sailing right over. A few cute photos don't make him less of a depraved monster.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 14, 2018, 06:19:59 pm
http://www.ibtimes.com/nra-promotes-buying-gun-valentines-day-2653598

(http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/embed/public/2018/02/14/nra_0.png)

Posted before the school shooting in Florida, taken down after.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 15, 2018, 04:39:13 pm
Commentary on US gun laws after the school shooting in Florida that has left at least 17 dead:

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I'm still having trouble getting my head round the idea that the shooter wasn't old enough to buy booze, but was old enough to own an assault weapon.

On that point, we allow people to serve their country when they're 18. Seems like allowing them to own a gun, generally speaking, isn't that big of a leap.

Put another way, if there's a reason to prevent them from having their gun, it shouldn't be JUST because of their age.

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The sheer fact that you can buy a gun at a younger age than alcohol is insane.

Besides, it is a great leap.
In the military, people are trained, supervised and if necessary, disciplined when they screw up.

They don't stack up guns like other people stack diapers, when in the military. A soldier has one assault rifle and one hand gun, normally. Ammunition is handed to the soldier for certain purposes, they can't garner it sky high in their rooms.

That is a huge difference.
In civilian life, any moron of a hillbilly can buy guns until his house is filled with them and stack up ammunition like crazy. No supervision, no discipline, no training.

You take a shot at 'hillbillies' as 'morons' but I'd be willing to bet that the people you're referring to are more knowledge about gun use and applicable gun laws than the people committing these crimes. Also, there's legit reasons to have guns in some parts of this country where people (and help) are farther away and wild animals can pose a real threat to safety.

Here's a question for the European/Australian crowd who likes to tell us Americans what terrible people we are: Have you ever met/talked with/directly engaged anyone that falls into the group that you think so little of, or is it just an internet stereotype for you?

PS: I think the drinking age is fine where it is, but I'd be in favor of an exception for service members specifically because you don't get to serve without being able to have some discipline in your life. The fact that an Army Private can get blown up by a Taliban IED in Afghanistan but can't order a Bud Light when he finishes his tour rubs me the wrong way. That Private has earned it, IMO (subject to the same laws everyone else is subject to - ie drunk driving, etc.)

On the bit about animals (admittedly from a German):

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That's your argument? Protection from wild animals?
There's a reason why they call them assault rifles. I've never heard of these protection rifles you speak of.
Please explain to me why you need a semi-automatic of full-automatic rifle to defend yourself from a bear.

Reply?

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Well first off, those are two different things. Generally speaking, fully automatic weapons are illegal.

As to semi-autos, what's wrong with those? Put in the context we're talking about, given the closing speed of a bear and the stopping power required to take it down, do you really want to trust that a) you'll hit your first shot with a bolt action rifle and b) that you'll get a kill shot the first time, or at least a wounding shot that gives you enough time to re-cock? That MIGHT be the case, but a semi-auto gives you more margin of error --> higher chance of surviving.

And it's not just bears. Mountain lions and other large cats are a thing to.

Then there's pack animals. If you have a pack of coyotes going after your livestock, you'll need to eliminate that threat as quickly as possible, as each animal you lose is taking money out of your pocket.

So it's not as cut and dried as you'd like to think.

And the real crazy post:

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Ok then let me ask you this, imagine a general gun ban is issued in the US. Do you think the number of people who will fall victim to leathal animal attacks will be over or under the number of people who currently get shot in the streets?

That strikes me as the wrong question.

We already have laws against shooting people in the streets. Enacting such a ban wouldn't add to the criminality of homicide.

At the same time, you'd be actively taking away people's ability to protect themselves, their families and their investments, creating new victims that didn't exist before solely because of government action.

Is that the position you intended to advance?

Cue everyone telling him how much of an utter fucking moron he is:

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Just one word: WOW!

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To elaborate: when you make it harder for people to get guns in the first place, you're going to have fewer gun crimes being committed.

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Thanks for putting my astonishment into words.

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Another note:

The big thing I think you're missing here is that restricting (note: restricting, not banning) gun ownership will not mean that you will have these additional gun deaths on top of whatever's already going on, it means that the latter number will decrease, and very likely drastically so. Are there people who will end up dead because of a lack of guns? Probably. But that number will almost certainly be far outweighed by the number of people who will be alive because of that same lack of guns.

It's essentially the same rhetorical trick often used by opponents of single-payer in the US when proponents cite the cost as being $32 trillion over ten years while the cost of the current system is $49 trillion over those same ten years. They pretend that single-payer would cost $32 trillion over and above the $49 trillion already being spent, rather than being honest, which is that it will cost $32 trillion instead of $49 trillion. ("Can't afford to do single-payer? No, we can't afford not to do single-payer... plus we'd have a better system overall.") That's essentially the trick being pulled here, pretending that the deaths attributable to a lack of guns (of which there will no doubt be some) will be added on top of all the deaths already happening, which is simply not the case.

This trick is deceitful, it's dishonest, it doesn't work on anyone paying attention, and I thought you were better than that, Another note:

The big thing I think you're missing here, Armus, is that restricting (note: restricting, not banning) gun ownership will not mean that you will have these additional gun deaths on top of whatever's already going on, it means that the latter number will decrease, and very likely drastically so. Are there people who will end up dead because of a lack of guns? Probably. But that number will almost certainly be far outweighed by the number of people who will be alive because of that same lack of guns.

It's essentially the same rhetorical trick often used by opponents of single-payer in the US when proponents cite the cost as being $32 trillion over ten years while the cost of the current system is $49 trillion over those same ten years. They pretend that single-payer would cost $32 trillion over and above the $49 trillion already being spent, rather than being honest, which is that it will cost $32 trillion instead of $49 trillion. ("Can't afford to do single-payer? No, we can't afford not to do single-payer... plus we'd have a better system overall.") That's essentially the trick being pulled here, pretending that the deaths attributable to a lack of guns (of which there will no doubt be some) will be added on top of all the deaths already happening, which is simply not the case.

This trick is deceitful, it's dishonest, it doesn't work on anyone paying attention, and I thought you were better than that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 19, 2018, 07:28:12 pm
(http://78.media.tumblr.com/4ca8e93be4c2f3af8b1daa4b40c79a98/tumblr_inline_p3a7a67Vnk1t7h64k_500.png)

Then what do you call the Chinese occupation of Tibet?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on February 19, 2018, 07:41:22 pm
Or Japan's expansionism in the first few decades of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 19, 2018, 08:31:01 pm
Western Imperialism duh.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 22, 2018, 10:55:05 pm
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/29ef9b26bfd3d32160c0f95ec9e6837a/tumblr_p49xbyXMun1weogq3o1_1280.jpg)

This guy's like a serial killer in the making.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 23, 2018, 09:06:46 am
Before they even mentioned incels, I knew it was from one of those incel sites.  I may, or may not, have spent far too much time on the mainpage.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 23, 2018, 10:33:19 am
Maybe, just maybe, this kind of shit is why nobody wants you in the first place.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 26, 2018, 02:08:54 am
Western Imperialism duh.

Eastern Western Imperialism, to be specific.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 03, 2018, 04:53:00 am
How about them Wehraboos?

Quora, what would happen if Wermacht fough alongside US troops?
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The US will win. The US backed by the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS are able effectively combat the Vietcong. The Vietcong often wore civilian clothes. The US was reductant to kill civilians. The Wehrmacht particularly the Waffen SS didn't have this problem. The Wehrmacht and Waffen SS was prepared to risk collateral damage when dealing with partisans. With the supply and rear areas secure, the Americans are able to invade North Vietnam and succeed. The Vietcong was the only reason for the American defeat in Vietnam. As the Germans are expert in counterpartisian warfare, they are able to help the Americans combat the unconventional Vietcong. The Americans and the Germans excelled at conventional warfare so are able to win against the north Vietnamese army. The Wehrmact and Waffen SS also excel at unconventional combat and are able to give the North Vietnamese a taste of their medicine.

Gee willikers, if the Nazis were so happy to kill civilians and that was beneficial in a war, then how come they lost their war despite killing millions of civilians?

https://www.quora.com/profile/Eric-Manstein-1 His profile name is Eric Manstein, he claims to be friends with SS veterans and his profile picture is a WW2 era Nazi symbol. Master of subterfuge he is not.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 03, 2018, 06:56:30 am
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The US was reductant to kill civilians.
The Germans, on the other hand, were apparently perfectly oxidant to kill civilians.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 03, 2018, 09:08:40 pm
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The US was reductant to kill civilians.
The Germans, on the other hand, were apparently perfectly oxidant to kill civilians.

You win. I cracked up laughing at that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 03, 2018, 09:38:33 pm
It's what I live for.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 03, 2018, 11:16:52 pm
He definitely sounds like a nazi worshiping trashbag, but I highly doubt he is friends with, or even met, any former SS members.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on March 04, 2018, 01:05:47 am
 I've only met one. You could tell from the horns. And leathery fury skin. At first I thought he might be a Mormon, but his love of efficiency clued me in.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 04, 2018, 01:35:49 am
Given that the war finished 73 years ago there wouldn't be too many left.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 05, 2018, 07:19:37 pm
Today in Fundie Christians who can't Bible very well, the Forward for the book The Faith of Donald Trump has this gem

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Read the foreword, by Eric Metaxas. He says “many serious Christians” embrace this president because they understand God’s grace better than others. He says moralizing naysayers are like “the elder brother in the parable of the Good Samaritan.”


Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 10, 2018, 10:43:17 am
(https://i.redd.it/lkye0r6vpvk01.png)

If those games don't cause violent behavior, how do they "hurt" anybody?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 10, 2018, 12:44:21 pm
I haven't seen the videogame reel in question, so I can't say if his opinion is an overreaction or not, but I think it's clear he's saying the games in question are in crass pieces of garbage that make gamers look bad. 

Saying something like "God of War is full of over the top violence used for immature shock value" is a reasonable position to take that neither amounts to calls for censorship or declare that games cause violence.  Remember, criticism is not censorship.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 12, 2018, 08:29:39 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/uncensorednews/comments/7x025t/migrant_ghettos_will_become_a_nuclear_bomb_in_the/du50p5q/

Fuck everyone and everything. That is the most infuriating and hilarious thread I have ever seen. A bunch of racists were being racists and complaining with their dog whistle codes about der untermensch when one of them suddenly realized that they are talking about different groups. Cue a trainwreck of a thread where they argue whether Jews or Muslims are worse. Also bad science. So bad science as they debate how much "black DNA" different groups have. I just had to stop reading the thread when my limit for "stupid fucking stuff seen in one day" was reached. And it's not even late yet.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 12, 2018, 03:57:39 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/uncensorednews/comments/7x025t/migrant_ghettos_will_become_a_nuclear_bomb_in_the/du50p5q/

Fuck everyone and everything. That is the most infuriating and hilarious thread I have ever seen. A bunch of racists were being racists and complaining with their dog whistle codes about der untermensch when one of them suddenly realized that they are talking about different groups. Cue a trainwreck of a thread where they argue whether Jews or Muslims are worse. Also bad science. So bad science as they debate how much "black DNA" different groups have. I just had to stop reading the thread when my limit for "stupid fucking stuff seen in one day" was reached. And it's not even late yet.

Idiots. The Jews and Muslims are both distractions from the real threat: the Wiccans!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 12, 2018, 08:50:31 pm
(https://puu.sh/zGnwB/47bfb404f3.png)

When I tried to click on that link. Well, damn.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 13, 2018, 02:13:21 am
Yeah, I just found out that the subreddit got taken down. Trust me when I say that nothing of value was lost.

Official reason appears to be that the admins told them to delete certain threads where people were inciting violence and the mods refused to do so. Some of the mods were also banned.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2018, 08:31:16 am
And this is why a certain amount of policing is necessary.  You let the vicious invalids run the show, and the people above you are gonna flush the toilet that was your community.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 13, 2018, 09:43:11 am
Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 13, 2018, 03:02:08 pm
Fuck you Lana.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on March 13, 2018, 04:25:37 pm
...and here we go again.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 13, 2018, 05:45:10 pm
Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!

Just so you know, the next time you ask why people say that you carry water for Nazis, either I or someone else will just quote this post and say nothing more.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 13, 2018, 05:52:15 pm
Fuck you Lana.

Don't get me wrong, the ban of r/uncensorednews was well deserved. But the fact that r/latestagecapitalism can get away with advocating violence means that there is a double standard.

Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!

Just so you know, the next time you ask why people say that you carry water for Nazis, either I or someone else will just quote this post and say nothing more.

Poking fun at a double standard is not "carrying water for Nazis."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on March 13, 2018, 06:32:45 pm
Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 13, 2018, 09:05:21 pm
Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!

It's going to take more than that to get under my skin.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 13, 2018, 10:40:05 pm
Shut up Donny.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 13, 2018, 11:11:03 pm
Fuck you Lana.

Don't get me wrong, the ban of r/uncensorednews was well deserved. But the fact that r/latestagecapitalism can get away with advocating violence means that there is a double standard.

Can you cite some examples of equivalent statements from this other subreddit?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 14, 2018, 03:27:47 am
I tried to find something fitting in with what Lana said about r/LateStageCapitalism since usually this thing goes back and forth when she decides not to directly answer and avoids the subject.

I actually did find an incident where the mods there banned a Pacifist for being a "liberal"
https://i.imgur.com/LR5rj1X.jpg

And according to this post the mods there said some Cuban redditors parents deserved what they got when they were thrown into a labor camp.
https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_for_my_quarterly_inquisition_reddit_ceo_here/dp702y3/

So it appears that specific one is moderated by some questionable people, but I'm not sure on explicit calls to violence on there. Cursory googling only yields what I'd consider to be "violence apologism", if that's a term.

edit: several other subs have also been banned
On top of r/uncensorednews they got rid of
-r/European
-r/uncensorednewsplus
-r/opinionsuncensored
-r/regroup_central
and lastly
-r/AutismGoneWild
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 14, 2018, 04:02:20 am
Lana gonna waaaaaaaaaaaah, and talk about poor, oppressed Nazis.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 14, 2018, 10:57:55 am
Lana gonna waaaaaaaaaaaah, and talk about poor, oppressed Nazis.

I'm not complaining that they got banned, they deserved it. Reddit's double standards just rankle a bit, you know?

And here are some examples of calls for violence:

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Thank you, the BASELINE is theft, violence, oppression, and hate. Rising up against these forces is SELF-DEFENSE, not assault.
Kill the pigs, I dunno. Happy thanksgiving

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I had to explain this to my co-worker just last week when she said punching nazi's is just stooping to their level. I said this and then added that committing genocide against innocent people is stooping to their level. Beating the shit out of a nazi is called being a good person. So sick of American liberals that have zero fucking balls.

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“but free speech!” and “you shouldn’t punch someone if they haven’t hit you first”
srsly guys?

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Being born into a wealthy family warrants a mandatory guillotine. Especially if everything you say is shitting on the poor.

I'd have posted this earlier, but I ran into a database error. Turns out the first quote had an emoji that wouldn't post.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on March 14, 2018, 03:37:06 pm
Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 14, 2018, 07:04:21 pm
Are those seriously the best examples you have of inciting violence?

We've also done the is it ok to punch someone who advocates genocide dance before.

Some of those are almost as terrible as 'die cis scum'.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 14, 2018, 10:55:59 pm
Are those seriously the best examples you have of inciting violence?

We've also done the is it ok to punch someone who advocates genocide dance before.

Some of those are almost as terrible as 'die cis scum'.

No, they were just examples I found on a casual jaunt. The fact that people have been banned for advocating nonviolence should be telling.

EDIT: Here's a mod calling killing capitalists a "moral duty":

(https://i.imgur.com/uerG3oI.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on March 15, 2018, 09:06:43 am
Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 15, 2018, 10:30:50 am
Silly Nazis, calls for violence are only allowed on left-wing subreddits!

You can copypasta me as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that I've proved my point.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 15, 2018, 10:40:47 am
The funny thing is that uncensored news, T_D and plenty of other racist right-wing subreddits have been spewing hatespeech and inciting violence for years on Reddit. They get taken down if/when they get on the news and otherwise ignored. You claim that left-wing subreddits can call for violence but I'm saying that calls for violence or rebellion on Reddit are ignored by the admins more often than not regardless of who is saying it.

In fact, one of the current memes on Reddit is "valuable discussion" which was used by Spez as defense for why he let's Neo-Nazis and other right-wingers spew hate and death threats on Reddit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 15, 2018, 11:29:05 am
The funny thing is that uncensored news, T_D and plenty of other racist right-wing subreddits have been spewing hatespeech and inciting violence for years on Reddit. They get taken down if/when they get on the news and otherwise ignored. You claim that left-wing subreddits can call for violence but I'm saying that calls for violence or rebellion on Reddit are ignored by the admins more often than not regardless of who is saying it.

In fact, one of the current memes on Reddit is "valuable discussion" which was used by Spez as defense for why he let's Neo-Nazis and other right-wingers spew hate and death threats on Reddit.

Well, uncensored news got banned, so I don't think that's a good example. T_D, however, still exists, so you may have a point there. My question is, do the mods on T_D approve of and encourage such conduct? Not just fail to remove it, but actively let it happen? Because if they do, then I withdraw my objection.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 15, 2018, 05:51:42 pm
Uncensored news is a good example because this ban didn't come from nowhere and it wasn't immediate. You can get a pass with a lot of hate on Reddit as long as you don't violate a few special rules: a) Don't end up on news to make Reddit look bad. b) Delete posts if Admins ask you to.

That Uncensorednews survived as long as it did despite violating several rules of Reddit is a disgrace but the fact that there are people who actively reported racists posts helped give them notoriety and eventually Reddit admins gave them a warning which they ignored and they got banned.

If you report something awful that LSC does and they don't cut that shit out then maybe they too will get banned.

As for T_D, the mods pin racist posts, they encourage racism and hate and ban people who disagree. They then delete these posts after and only if the posts are linked elsewhere or someone reports them. There are months old death threats and racist posts on T_D that have thousands of upvotes and then disappear after someone takes a screencap and posts it to Againsthatesubreddits or similar group and T_D tries to cover their tracks. They pinned the "unite the right" rally advertisement on T_D and actively promoted it but soon after the terror attack during the rally they removed that post and have repeatedly claimed that they never supported the rally.

T_D mods brag about operating 60 separate accounts to fight "downvote wars" and complain about mods banning some of those accounts: https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/84o9s2/tder_and_rconspiracy_user_admits_to_operating/

They started spewing hate against Hawking the moment they got the news about his death: https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/84beyl/the_donald_praising_stephen_hawkings_death_this/ Also note how one of the comment lists racist subreddits and LSC is there because people who oppose racism don't just pick on the right, they oppose hate no matter where it comes from politically.

Racism on T_D: http://archive.is/QX5yY

Calling for deaths of police officers: http://archive.is/TgiUF

There are subreddits like Jewhate, Jewishworldorder, Millionshekelsurpreme and who knows how many subreddits that exist only to spread hate.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 15, 2018, 06:08:43 pm
Isn't there a reddit for people who think their political opponents should be dropped out of helicopters?

Silly Nazis...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 15, 2018, 07:16:09 pm
Uncensored news is a good example because this ban didn't come from nowhere and it wasn't immediate. You can get a pass with a lot of hate on Reddit as long as you don't violate a few special rules: a) Don't end up on news to make Reddit look bad. b) Delete posts if Admins ask you to.

That Uncensorednews survived as long as it did despite violating several rules of Reddit is a disgrace but the fact that there are people who actively reported racists posts helped give them notoriety and eventually Reddit admins gave them a warning which they ignored and they got banned.

If you report something awful that LSC does and they don't cut that shit out then maybe they too will get banned.

As for T_D, the mods pin racist posts, they encourage racism and hate and ban people who disagree. They then delete these posts after and only if the posts are linked elsewhere or someone reports them. There are months old death threats and racist posts on T_D that have thousands of upvotes and then disappear after someone takes a screencap and posts it to Againsthatesubreddits or similar group and T_D tries to cover their tracks. They pinned the "unite the right" rally advertisement on T_D and actively promoted it but soon after the terror attack during the rally they removed that post and have repeatedly claimed that they never supported the rally.

T_D mods brag about operating 60 separate accounts to fight "downvote wars" and complain about mods banning some of those accounts: https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/84o9s2/tder_and_rconspiracy_user_admits_to_operating/

They started spewing hate against Hawking the moment they got the news about his death: https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/84beyl/the_donald_praising_stephen_hawkings_death_this/ Also note how one of the comment lists racist subreddits and LSC is there because people who oppose racism don't just pick on the right, they oppose hate no matter where it comes from politically.

Racism on T_D: http://archive.is/QX5yY

Calling for deaths of police officers: http://archive.is/TgiUF

There are subreddits like Jewhate, Jewishworldorder, Millionshekelsurpreme and who knows how many subreddits that exist only to spread hate.

Then I withdraw.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 15, 2018, 08:34:54 pm
Your dad should have.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2018, 08:38:17 pm
Your dad should have.
Oh come on. Everyone knows that doesn't work.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 15, 2018, 08:59:33 pm
yeah but there are no contraceptively sound jokes to be made.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on March 15, 2018, 11:03:42 pm
Your dad should have.

I wanted to make that joke but thought it was too mean.

Ironbite-good to know I was wrong
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2018, 11:08:52 pm
yeah but there are no contraceptively sound jokes to be made.
I think that's a hard pill to swallow.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 15, 2018, 11:22:32 pm
your mother should have swallowed.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2018, 11:27:57 pm
She did, just not with her mouth.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on March 15, 2018, 11:37:37 pm
I can't think of a good IUD pun.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 16, 2018, 12:35:36 am
That will throw you for a loop
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 16, 2018, 03:35:41 am
Guys, I know that you are dicks but there's really no need to be so anal.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 16, 2018, 05:56:55 am
I can't think of a good IUD pun.

IUD agree with that if you hadn't given me ample opportunity.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 16, 2018, 09:15:06 am
I think we should wrap this punstorm up before something horrific is conceived.

Also, sidenote, Reddit is completely arbitrary when it comes to actually enforcing their own rules.  Case in point, r/childfree, a sub that can, at times, get a bit salty when it comes to shitty parents and/or parenting habits, nearly got shitcanned because someone who murdered their kids (and got on the news because of it) visited the sub.  They don't care if you break their rules, they care if you make them look bad.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 16, 2018, 10:49:25 am
(https://i.redd.it/5477pngmv2m01.jpg)

How do you know they're not controlling you right now? I mean, if Teh Ebol Joos are so fiendishly clever, you could be playing right into their hands and not even know it.

Also, why am I not surprised at Roosh going full-blown anti-Semite?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 17, 2018, 05:50:46 am
I'm beginning to wonder if we should have a dedicated thread for incels, since they're such a constant source of horrible. Also I've been reading a LOT of IncelTears threads recently.

Here's a thread about Incels taking creepshots
https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/84vn9g/creep_shots_women_people_with_daughters_please/

And getting angry at a girl being nice
https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/851j0u/incel_gets_angry_at_girl_for_being_nice_to_him/

Content Warning on these next to, since they deal with rape & sexual violence.
Giving out rape advice
https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/84z7ko/incel_offers_rape_advice_to_fellow_incels/

Then well... this is a thing
https://imgur.com/6mhI6aA
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on March 17, 2018, 07:05:42 am
I should know by now not to read incel quotes while eating. Ugh...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 17, 2018, 07:43:29 pm
Let's just say that there's a reason they feature so prominently on SSTDT.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 18, 2018, 12:07:24 am
I thought preparing violence against oppressive governments coming to oppress you was the NRAs entire schtick! Is Lana sufficiently enraged?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 18, 2018, 06:34:04 am
Now that the Uncensored news has gone the way of "Coontown," "Fatpeoplehate," "Incels" and other such hatesubs they do what they all did. Migrate to KiA.

...Because nothing says "ethics in game journalism" like racist ranting. https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/8579na/trouble_rises_when_runcensorednews_refugees/
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 19, 2018, 04:13:27 am
So this came up on my twitter feed
https://twitter.com/fuckagust/status/975087032979607553

Read through this whole thing, its amazing. Basically, the OP took a screencap of this rather dirty post from some 13-year old curiouscat anon who was talking about sucking K-Pop Idols dicks and started telling this kid that she's too young.

The Anon proceeds to call OP a whore and tried to argue that statutory rape wasn't a thing. And it keeps getting worse/funnier the more it drags on.

K-Pop twitter is an adventure.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 26, 2018, 01:25:47 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/zKLjKOpbeOQt-GatfyH1s86TW1hNT_mSdYnbZ9CA8aM.png?w=647&s=59d2111051707d9535d316b76c854dec)

This post is from the guy who had a meltdown when Starbucks changed the cups they use, thinking that they had "started a war on Christmas." He tried to organize a failed boycott against the franchise where he encouraged people to go there, buy coffee and claim that their name is "Merry Christmas."

Which aside from not really being a boycott also isn't something that the Starbuck employees (or "libcucks" in general) care about. It is a good way to get your coffee mixed up with someone else's though.

And now he's picking on kids.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 30, 2018, 05:59:07 pm
Quote from: Peter Sweden
So watching some Far Cry 5 gameplay footage. Becomes clear that this is some communist game. You are part of something called the "resistance" and your logo is a communist fist. You are fighting against a "cult" which has Templar symbols representing "far-right". Don't buy.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS36yVfWkAIcXRq.jpg:small)

Did you stretch before that reach?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 31, 2018, 02:47:06 am
People like that have been yelling about FC5 ever since the game & its villains were revealed with the preview art recreating the Last Supper painting.

That just makes me want it more.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 31, 2018, 02:56:55 am
The game looks pretty and the gameplay is fun but without spoilers all I can say that I absolutely hate where the plot ends up leading to.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on March 31, 2018, 02:42:52 pm
Also, if he played the game, he'd know that some of the good guys are outspoken conservatives. Hardly something you'd expect from "communist propaganda."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 02, 2018, 02:11:08 am
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/979737215185096704

She is leaving behind "The left" because...

"The Left" is trying to destroy the "nuance" between White supremacy and White nationalism... Now there's a hill to die on.

EDIT:

Oh, and T_D on Reddit is trying to organize a militia to gun down people. Because there's a claim that a massive motorcade of South Americans approaching USA and that the border guards wouldn't do anything about it. It's about as believable as Jade Helm theories were. But since T_D was also part of organizing the "Unite the right" rally there is a chance that they'll manage to rile up some angry people with more guns than braincells and once again get people killed...

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/88xjkz/top_minds_at_t_d_are_organizing_an_armed_militia/
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 03, 2018, 03:02:18 am
Cross-posted from Mr. Trump Goes to Washington because it fits here too:

(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/alamosagop.png?itok=d2Zr71B7)

Messaging tip for the GOP: When Democrats have been accusing you for decades of hating poor people, don't put the phrase "Republicans hate poor people" in anything the public might have the remotest chance of seeing (ie anything, these days).

To which a Republican replied:

Quote
Oy! *facepalm*

I'm morbidly curious who they thought they were going to convince with that dumpster fire of a tweet.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 03, 2018, 04:06:21 am
From Mainpage: http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=137645

Quote
It is the biggest normie cope bullshit ever. You can not attract girls with self-improvement. You attract them with looks, and money and status is just a even bigger bonus.

• "Work on your personality bro"
• "Have some confidence"
• "Lift some weights, girls love muscles"
• "Read some books and become smarter"
• "Get some new hobbies"
• "Get an interesting life"
• "Get some new clothes"
• "Get a good degree"
• "Get a good job"
• "Get a nice car"
• "Get a nice house"
• "Take your daily shower"
• "After that girls will come from everywhere just wait for them bro" - How long do we have to wait tho?

There is nothing else you can improve or fake so you can attract them.. well ofc there is the beta provider cucked way but who wants to go this way tbh

Incels need to accept their fate and LDAR with drugs/alcohol and try to cope as much as possible with non - degenerate interests and hobbies.

The incels are rather depressing to read.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 03, 2018, 05:48:04 am
The incels are rather depressing to read.

(https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2018/01/19/21/39/antarctica-3093274_1280.jpg)

This is rather cold...

(https://s.hswstatic.com/gif/sun-update-1.jpg)

This is rather hot...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 06, 2018, 09:43:41 am
You know what group doesn't have enough people judging them and accusing them of not being adequate or not really being what they claim to be? Transpersons. /s

(https://i.redditmedia.com/rHWXJ_tptkIHijfuR3P6pAWAR69hqAxpNrOowpF7b3U.jpg?w=801&s=1c5106618717a2a587661a7082c38f55)

For fucks sake, targeting young transpersons in particular makes this twice as shitty.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 06, 2018, 09:59:20 am
You know what group doesn't have enough people judging them and accusing them of not being adequate or not really being what they claim to be? Transpersons. /s

(https://i.redditmedia.com/rHWXJ_tptkIHijfuR3P6pAWAR69hqAxpNrOowpF7b3U.jpg?w=801&s=1c5106618717a2a587661a7082c38f55)

For fucks sake, targeting young transpersons in particular makes this twice as shitty.

I don't know, this seems like an attack on transtrenders to me.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on April 06, 2018, 06:28:00 pm
You know what group doesn't have enough people judging them and accusing them of not being adequate or not really being what they claim to be? Transpersons. /s

(https://i.redditmedia.com/rHWXJ_tptkIHijfuR3P6pAWAR69hqAxpNrOowpF7b3U.jpg?w=801&s=1c5106618717a2a587661a7082c38f55)

For fucks sake, targeting young transpersons in particular makes this twice as shitty.

I don't know, this seems like an attack on transtrenders to me.

I don't understand what you mean. Would you care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on April 06, 2018, 07:42:17 pm
I think its some weird kind of Tumblr Drama.

Better off ignored if you ask me.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 06, 2018, 08:14:55 pm
I think its some weird kind of Tumblr Drama.

Better off ignored if you ask me.

If you say so.

(https://i.redd.it/itw53epmt6q01.png)

By that logic, there's no such thing as hunger because I just ate dinner.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 06, 2018, 08:18:44 pm
There is no such thing as cholera, as I just had a healthy shit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 06, 2018, 08:44:16 pm
There's no such thing as loneliness, because I just fucked the cat.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 07, 2018, 01:27:39 am
I think its some weird kind of Tumblr Drama.

Better off ignored if you ask me.

If you say so.
Purity policing on Tumblr shouldn't be ignored? When it's genuinely funny I'd agree!

And we got this far without references to the Judean People's Front, what's wrong with you people?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 07, 2018, 05:07:24 am
Lana, IIRC you said that you have a relative who is trans so I'm going to word this very carefully:

Teenagers in general have a tough time trying to fit in or trying to find out who they are, for trans this is even more so. Going around and claiming that someone who says that they are trans isn't and is merely doing it for the sake of being "cool" is a really dick move. This is made even worse by the fact that they are more likely to suffer from depression ...Gee, turns out that when the society (or even your own family) doesn't accept you for what you are it can cause problems for your mental health?!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 07, 2018, 10:45:20 am
Lana, IIRC you said that you have a relative who is trans so I'm going to word this very carefully:

Teenagers in general have a tough time trying to fit in or trying to find out who they are, for trans this is even more so. Going around and claiming that someone who says that they are trans isn't and is merely doing it for the sake of being "cool" is a really dick move. This is made even worse by the fact that they are more likely to suffer from depression ...Gee, turns out that when the society (or even your own family) doesn't accept you for what you are it can cause problems for your mental health?!

I understand where you're coming from, and if this were merely saying "some trans people aren't acksually trans because I personally disapprove of them," I'd be inclined to agree with you. But the person in the cartoon is saying things like "you don't need dysphoria to be trans", "gender is a feeling", and "truscum don't interact." It seems to me like this may not be a case of purity policing, but a case of somebody criticizing "tucute" types who think being trans is some kind of trendy fashion they can put on. I may not be trans myself, but I'm bisexual and pretty heavily involved in LGBT circles, so I think I know about this dispute more than many people. However, I've been wrong before, so if you or somebody else can prove that the artist means to say what you think they're saying, I'll back down on this.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 07, 2018, 12:03:05 pm
Lana, IIRC you said that you have a relative who is trans so I'm going to word this very carefully:

Teenagers in general have a tough time trying to fit in or trying to find out who they are, for trans this is even more so. Going around and claiming that someone who says that they are trans isn't and is merely doing it for the sake of being "cool" is a really dick move. This is made even worse by the fact that they are more likely to suffer from depression ...Gee, turns out that when the society (or even your own family) doesn't accept you for what you are it can cause problems for your mental health?!

I understand where you're coming from, and if this were merely saying "some trans people aren't acksually trans because I personally disapprove of them," I'd be inclined to agree with you. But the person in the cartoon is saying things like "you don't need dysphoria to be trans", "gender is a feeling", and "truscum don't interact." It seems to me like this may not be a case of purity policing, but a case of somebody criticizing "tucute" types who think being trans is some kind of trendy fashion they can put on. I may not be trans myself, but I'm bisexual and pretty heavily involved in LGBT circles, so I think I know about this dispute more than many people. However, I've been wrong before, so if you or somebody else can prove that the artist means to say what you think they're saying, I'll back down on this.

I think you are factually wrong about the prevalence of people who "think being trans is some kind of trendy fashion they can put on". I'm not going to say they don't exist, there's a lot of people out there, but the majority of people criticised as 'transtrenders' are people who have real gender issues of some sort or another and are trying to use the tools available to them to deal with them, including transition. That they sometimes look or act different from other trans people is entirely meaningless; some trans guys are more masculine than others (much like cis guys). What matters is if their life is improved by transition, a question this view entirely sidesteps in favour of checking to see if they conform to stereotypes.

It kind of reminds me of the autogynephilia bullshit used against a group of bisexual or lesbian trans women who don't fit the existing stereotypes that you see by looking at primarily straight trans women. It's interesting how when they don't like AFAB people calling themselves trans they dismiss them as silly children who are following a fashion trend, and when they don't like AMAB people calling themselves trans they dismiss us as sexual deviants (a gendered pattern replicated in attitudes towards cis gay people).

'Transtrenders' is a word used to police conformity to an established narrative about gender in trans people, in the same way heteronormative society treats the entire LGBT+ community, and it's an attitude that should have no place in queer spaces.

Also: you don't need dysphoria to be trans, gender can accurately be described as a feeling, and avoiding 'truscum' is an entirely sensible attitude.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 07, 2018, 12:36:06 pm
Lana, IIRC you said that you have a relative who is trans so I'm going to word this very carefully:

Teenagers in general have a tough time trying to fit in or trying to find out who they are, for trans this is even more so. Going around and claiming that someone who says that they are trans isn't and is merely doing it for the sake of being "cool" is a really dick move. This is made even worse by the fact that they are more likely to suffer from depression ...Gee, turns out that when the society (or even your own family) doesn't accept you for what you are it can cause problems for your mental health?!

I understand where you're coming from, and if this were merely saying "some trans people aren't acksually trans because I personally disapprove of them," I'd be inclined to agree with you. But the person in the cartoon is saying things like "you don't need dysphoria to be trans", "gender is a feeling", and "truscum don't interact." It seems to me like this may not be a case of purity policing, but a case of somebody criticizing "tucute" types who think being trans is some kind of trendy fashion they can put on. I may not be trans myself, but I'm bisexual and pretty heavily involved in LGBT circles, so I think I know about this dispute more than many people. However, I've been wrong before, so if you or somebody else can prove that the artist means to say what you think they're saying, I'll back down on this.

I think you are factually wrong about the prevalence of people who "think being trans is some kind of trendy fashion they can put on". I'm not going to say they don't exist, there's a lot of people out there, but the majority of people criticised as 'transtrenders' are people who have real gender issues of some sort or another and are trying to use the tools available to them to deal with them, including transition. That they sometimes look or act different from other trans people is entirely meaningless; some trans guys are more masculine than others (much like cis guys). What matters is if their life is improved by transition, a question this view entirely sidesteps in favour of checking to see if they conform to stereotypes.

It kind of reminds me of the autogynephilia bullshit used against a group of bisexual or lesbian trans women who don't fit the existing stereotypes that you see by looking at primarily straight trans women. It's interesting how when they don't like AFAB people calling themselves trans they dismiss them as silly children who are following a fashion trend, and when they don't like AMAB people calling themselves trans they dismiss us as sexual deviants (a gendered pattern replicated in attitudes towards cis gay people).

'Transtrenders' is a word used to police conformity to an established narrative about gender in trans people, in the same way heteronormative society treats the entire LGBT+ community, and it's an attitude that should have no place in queer spaces.

You have valid points about the misuse of the term "transtrender," but I think you might be overcorrecting a little. While it has been misapplied to transgender people who don't conform to certain ideas of how a trans person "should" be, I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is the majority of cases of its use, nor that it's its primary purpose.

Also: you don't need dysphoria to be trans, gender can accurately be described as a feeling, and 'truscum' are wrong.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on this, because I have yet to see any solid scientific or medical evidence for this claim. Quite the contrary, countless studies appear to support the "truscum" stance on what is required to be trans. I believe I discussed studies on the brains of pre-transition transgender people that point to differences in brain structure as the root cause of being trans. This seems to indicate that being trans is more than just a "feeling." Rather, it seems like there are biological causes for being trans. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong, like the geologists who doubted Alfred Wegener's theories on continental drift. And I don't like people who mistreat tucutes simply for their views and opinions. But until I see firm evidence otherwise, I'm going to respectfully disagree with tucutes and their supporters.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 07, 2018, 01:42:59 pm
Also: you don't need dysphoria to be trans, gender can accurately be described as a feeling, and 'truscum' are wrong.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on this, because I have yet to see any solid scientific or medical evidence for this claim. Quite the contrary, countless studies appear to support the "truscum" stance on what is required to be trans. I believe I discussed studies on the brains of pre-transition transgender people that point to differences in brain structure as the root cause of being trans. This seems to indicate that being trans is more than just a "feeling." Rather, it seems like there are biological causes for being trans. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong, like the geologists who doubted Alfred Wegener's theories on continental drift. And I don't like people who mistreat tucutes simply for their views and opinions. But until I see firm evidence otherwise, I'm going to respectfully disagree with tucutes and their supporters.

I am not making a medical claim, because I don't think being trans is a medical condition.

To be clear: there are studies suggesting people who transition tend to have different brain structures than people of their ASAB, yes. There are almost certainly underlying biological causes for people deciding to transition. But being trans is not the same thing as those causes; being trans is a reaction to internal experiences of gender.

I think reifying the idea that trans people are just 'brain intersex' is a mistake. If tomorrow a new and better study comes out disproving that theory, my position on trans people's rights will remain unchanged. If someone decides to scan everyone and it turns out a bunch of people who have happily transitioned and think their lives have been improved by it don't have the specific brain structures... then what? Do we revoke their trans license? Tell them 'Sorry, ScienceTM says you are really a member of your ASAB and not True Trans after all, please stop HRT immediately and change your name back'?

No. We don't. I believe transition is about taking ownership of your own self and body and living a life that makes you happier, and there are probably biological factors correlated with being the kind of person whose life is improved by transition, but there's no reason to limit it to people with those biological correlates. It's possible that in the future we will find out that we can predict with much more accuracy who will and won't be happier after transition, and that will be interesting, but we are not there yet and might never be.

And as long as that doesn't happen, literally the only guide we have to whether people will be happier or not transitioning is their internal feelings about their gender.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 07, 2018, 04:11:35 pm
Also: you don't need dysphoria to be trans, gender can accurately be described as a feeling, and 'truscum' are wrong.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on this, because I have yet to see any solid scientific or medical evidence for this claim. Quite the contrary, countless studies appear to support the "truscum" stance on what is required to be trans. I believe I discussed studies on the brains of pre-transition transgender people that point to differences in brain structure as the root cause of being trans. This seems to indicate that being trans is more than just a "feeling." Rather, it seems like there are biological causes for being trans. I'm willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong, like the geologists who doubted Alfred Wegener's theories on continental drift. And I don't like people who mistreat tucutes simply for their views and opinions. But until I see firm evidence otherwise, I'm going to respectfully disagree with tucutes and their supporters.

I am not making a medical claim, because I don't think being trans is a medical condition.

To be clear: there are studies suggesting people who transition tend to have different brain structures than people of their ASAB, yes. There are almost certainly underlying biological causes for people deciding to transition. But being trans is not the same thing as those causes; being trans is a reaction to internal experiences of gender.

I think reifying the idea that trans people are just 'brain intersex' is a mistake. If tomorrow a new and better study comes out disproving that theory, my position on trans people's rights will remain unchanged. If someone decides to scan everyone and it turns out a bunch of people who have happily transitioned and think their lives have been improved by it don't have the specific brain structures... then what? Do we revoke their trans license? Tell them 'Sorry, ScienceTM says you are really a member of your ASAB and not True Trans after all, please stop HRT immediately and change your name back'?

No. We don't. I believe transition is about taking ownership of your own self and body and living a life that makes you happier, and there are probably biological factors correlated with being the kind of person whose life is improved by transition, but there's no reason to limit it to people with those biological correlates. It's possible that in the future we will find out that we can predict with much more accuracy who will and won't be happier after transition, and that will be interesting, but we are not there yet and might never be.

And as long as that doesn't happen, literally the only guide we have to whether people will be happier or not transitioning is their internal feelings about their gender.

Okay, so we have very different ideas on what it means to be trans. The idea that you can be trans without having gender dysphoria or wanting to transition seems strange to me, but then again, when it comes to trans people, I'm an outsider looking in. So because of that, I don't think I can pass judgment on your ideas on what makes somebody trans. At the end of the day, I'm just happy we can disagree without ripping each others' throats out.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 07, 2018, 05:34:58 pm
Also an outsider looking in, but while I've seen the not wanting to transition part, the lack of dysphoria while still being trans is a bit strange to me.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 07, 2018, 06:14:11 pm
Is there any difference between the purity policing cartoon and TERF's arguments? Those being that gender is down to a set of immutable biological characteristics and "you can't have mine."

Just seems like another pack of wankers trying to divide the world into star bellied and non star bellied sneetches to me!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 08, 2018, 04:01:55 am
Also an outsider looking in, but while I've seen the not wanting to transition part, the lack of dysphoria while still being trans is a bit strange to me.

Insider here. There's plenty of valid reasons to not transition in spite of feeling trans/having dysphoria. On the other hand, I never understood the people saying you don't need to have gender dysphoria/GID. I just can't imagine why you would want to transition if it wasn't to fix the things you feel the need fix to live as yourself. It's difficult and a lot of people are dicks to you about it and you get discriminated against and it costs money.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 08, 2018, 08:25:54 pm
Also an outsider looking in, but while I've seen the not wanting to transition part, the lack of dysphoria while still being trans is a bit strange to me.

In general, people who argue about not needing dysphoria to be trans talk about 'gender euphoria', i.e. they aren't miserable in the gender they were assigned at birth but think they'd be much happier as a different one.

I suspect there's no clear cut distinction between the two and people with the same experiences might frame them in different ways. I've known trans people who thought they had little or no dysphoria and then after their first attempts at transition go 'oh. that was dysphoria' because they can actually recognise it once it's gone or diminished.

(I spent a long time telling myself I wasn't really trans and ignoring my issues with my gender. I do have dysphoria, but I was in denial about it)

Taking that into account, I think it doesn't matter if the gender euphoria theory is correct or not. People who want to transition usually have a pretty good reason, even if they can't or don't want to think of it as gender dysphoria. So policing people who say they are trans but not dysphoric is, I think, counterproductive. If transition really isn't the right choice for them they'll find out on their own.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 09, 2018, 11:27:23 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/nSm53PO.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2018, 11:31:33 pm
Personally, I really feel for all those Jews who lost their free accommodations and cremation services in 1945. Those people just can't catch a break.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 10, 2018, 08:44:34 am
(https://i.imgur.com/jDgj1td.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 10, 2018, 09:14:57 am
I guess he's technically correct. As we all know, that's the best kind of correct.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 10, 2018, 05:58:54 pm
Still not letting the bastard near any puppies or kittens. You can get those in a pet shop.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 12, 2018, 11:32:11 pm
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/15c0ed7986d9ac7cd1eff8cfa46acf5a/tumblr_p16etrYYZ01rojbuoo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 13, 2018, 12:02:28 am
What's the point in posting that Piranha?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 13, 2018, 09:02:24 am
Unless she's given birth to a child without a c-section, a dicked vag is the same as a non-dicked vag.  The vag, much like a cat, cleans itself.  Plus, the idea that it "loosens up" with repeated encounters in pound town is, if memory serves, a complete myth.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 13, 2018, 09:54:57 am
Biphobia and hatred in the Lesbian and Gay community is alive and well.

Ironbite-do these people even have the sense of self to listen to themselves?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 13, 2018, 09:15:20 pm
I detect a negative amount of self-awareness emanating from this woman.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 22, 2018, 11:47:17 pm
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RED PILL ALERT
All women are, to a greater or lesser extent, whores. The exceptions are virgins, who can only maintain chastity through unrelenting force. What you are describing is in fact what all women come to when given complete freedom. My dear European, I’m not sure if you’ve been with many women like me, perhaps better that you shouldn’t, but anyone that’s spoken to an honest woman knows this. They want it this way, because it’s power. We all as men inherently desire women, and not just one (though we can be contented with one). The reverse is true for them, but in freedom they can have all men. Rich guys with small dicks are easy Street for them. A bitter, cruel, yet releasing truth.
Women need control, not freedom.
All humans do, but only men create laws, rules, regulations, etc. Don’t forget that in the bible, it’s not clear that God ever intended to make a woman; rather, it was observed that the man needed company. My favorite part is helpmeet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4utAJ-JraE

On what forum was this comment made?

A) MPUA Forum
B) r/TheRedPill
C) /pol/
D) Return of Kings
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 23, 2018, 09:31:29 am
E) Yes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 25, 2018, 08:54:16 pm
Joy Ann Reid has said some rather not-good things on the subject of LGBT people on the internet a decade or so ago, and her excuse is well... highly lacking. Just read these articles for yourself to see the extant of how baffling this entire situation she created for herself is.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/the-evidence-is-not-with-joy-reid/558935/

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/25/joy-reid-anti-gay-posts-550213

https://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-joy-reid-claims-newly-discovered-homophobic-posts-from-her-blog-were-fabricated/

It all could have been avoided if she just apologized and said "I was a bigot 10-15 years ago, but in the time since I've done self-reflection, and I no longer hold those views" but no she claims "it was hackers, those posts are faked!" in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on April 27, 2018, 09:23:19 am
Just another day in the FB wall of The Finns (party) Youth section.

(click to show/hide)

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Comment yes if you agree!

The population growth of Finland is not on a robust basis if it relies on immigration. A healthy nation state needs new Finns.

"Without immigrants the Finnish population would have decreased since early in the year 2695 more people have died than have been born."

[link into an article]

The image text: Close the borders...  ...open the limbs. [Pun: raja = border, raaja = limb]
The link leads into an article that discusses how the Finnish population would decrease without immigration. Both the original post itself and the original post with the screen capture have been removed apparently because of the sexual content. The commenters in the post with the linked screen capture speculate the first post with the screen capture was reported to Facebook and both it and the source ended up being removed.

The vice president of the Youth section Tweeted:

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It's weird when a sex positive [person] doesn't like spreading the limbs. *more mockery of feminism*

This is not a huge controversy or anything but it is another instance showing how a typical conservative mind works and how people in the populist right use rhetoric to confuse issues. Yes, sex positivity and arguing that women should just spread their legs for the Fatherland and start making white babies are the same thing.

I genuinely wonder how much in rhetoric like this there is a genuine incapability to understand nuances and how much there is conscious use of false equivalencies and other tricks. I guess there are elements of both; someone sees the superficial similarity between two ideas and seizes the chance to mock the opposing side and blame them of hypocrisy without bothering to have any deeper reflection of the issue. The humorous tone is part of the tactic: anyone who tries to confront them about the issue itself can just be ignored as a language policing SJW with no sense of humor.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 01, 2018, 09:00:59 pm
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What leftist leaders in history most faithfully executed communism/ made the greatest jump from capitalism to communism?

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I suppose in terms of the sheer size of the productive forces and the consequent threat they posed to the capitalist-imperialist hegemony you would have to say Stalin’s USSR and Mao’s China, although both of those societies are better described as semi-feudal before their revolutions. Despite the enormity of the threats, challenges and setbacks these nations faced in building socialism, they achieved rapid industrialisation and huge rises in living standards. They rose to become global counter-hegemonic powers. And all this without the imperialist plunder of other nations.

Edit: Oh and these great leaders are among the most demonised figures in the history books of the imperialist west. Gee, I wonder why?

Because they both have eight-figure body counts. Hitler was anti-communist, and if anything, he's even more despised in the West than Mao and Stalin combined.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on May 02, 2018, 03:03:58 am
Ohh joy - and something tells me these wunderkunds think Kim Il Sung / Kim "I'm So Ronery" Jong Il / Kim Jong Un are brilliant, brilliant men.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 14, 2018, 03:21:33 pm
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Whats that? They made a comic where Captain America opposes Fascism? This must mean that Marvel hates USA...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Dr. Weird on May 14, 2018, 03:50:07 pm
(https://i.redditmedia.com/xknxwSF-NgA8WkhHuXiYoxPOTtwZ5BJXvnWUczLi5vo.png?w=580&s=b3e7b0f0b179d961b91de64d2e464308)

Whats that? They made a comic where Captain America opposes Fascism? This must mean that Marvel hates USA...

Boy, that Trumpsucker is gonna shit a brick if he sees the cover of Captain America Comics #1...

http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/8/6945_20051106132504_large.jpg
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 14, 2018, 04:37:22 pm
As I recall, he's seen it and has it hung in his office.

Ironbite-cause he's an idiot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 14, 2018, 05:11:41 pm
(https://i.redditmedia.com/xknxwSF-NgA8WkhHuXiYoxPOTtwZ5BJXvnWUczLi5vo.png?w=580&s=b3e7b0f0b179d961b91de64d2e464308)

Whats that? They made a comic where Captain America opposes Fascism? This must mean that Marvel hates USA...

He's not complaining about Cap opposing fascism, but about the (supposed, I haven't read the comic) support for Antifa. Let's not build strawmen.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 15, 2018, 05:04:41 am
And without strawmen can you tell me what is the purpose of Antifa?

And you seem to have skipped all the other stuff that was said, does supporting anti-Fascism mean that you hate "America?" Does it make you racist? And what about the comment about Mr. Coates? Do you think Marvel shot itself in the foot when they hired a black writer for Captain America?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 15, 2018, 06:02:25 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/xknxwSF-NgA8WkhHuXiYoxPOTtwZ5BJXvnWUczLi5vo.png?w=580&s=b3e7b0f0b179d961b91de64d2e464308)

Whats that? They made a comic where Captain America opposes Fascism? This must mean that Marvel hates USA...

He's not complaining about Cap opposing fascism, but about the (supposed, I haven't read the comic) support for Antifa. Let's not build strawmen.
Let's not build BS Lana, he's not merely complaining about antifa, he's saying that because the author has said stuff he disagrees with he hates America, and Captain America to boot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 15, 2018, 08:45:40 am
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Whats that? They made a comic where Captain America opposes Fascism? This must mean that Marvel hates USA...

He's not complaining about Cap opposing fascism, but about the (supposed, I haven't read the comic) support for Antifa. Let's not build strawmen.


To Misquote a certain other version of Captain America. "What do you think the "FA" in "Antifa" stands for? FRANCE?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 15, 2018, 09:13:26 am
Because the country code for French domains is .fr, you fools.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 15, 2018, 05:13:59 pm
And without strawmen can you tell me what is the purpose of Antifa?

And you seem to have skipped all the other stuff that was said, does supporting anti-Fascism mean that you hate "America?" Does it make you racist? And what about the comment about Mr. Coates? Do you think Marvel shot itself in the foot when they hired a black writer for Captain America?

The purpose of Antifa is to oppose what it considers fascism through direct action. However, their definition of fascism is very broad, and their direct action often involves unprovoked acts of violence. It's the latter that I'm more concerned about. Mudslinging may be a common part of the American political sphere, but outright attacks should not be. Antifa are known to used physical violence against not just the alt-right, but anybody they disagree with. I've already spoken about their various acts of violence in Berkeley. They pepper sprayed a woman for wearing a MAGA hat, attacked a Syrian Muslim because they thought he looked like a Nazi, and hit a man over the head with a bike lock while he called for calm, among other things.

Now to answer your questions. Yes, you can be against fascism without hating America. But it's not an all or nothing thing. You can oppose fascism without supporting Antifa. Hell, you can hate both fascism and Antifa. It's the same with racism: opposing fascism doesn't make you racist, but you don't have to like Antifa to be anti-racist. Don't pretend Antifa are the only people opposing fascism. That's a textbook false dichotomy.

Now, let's talk about Coates. I don't think Marvel shot itself in the foot by hiring a black writer. But I do think they shot themselves in the foot by hiring Coates. Why? Because his previous book got cancelled after only two issues due to poor sales (http://themarvelreport.com/2017/05/marvel-cancels-black-panther-and-the-crew-due-to-poor-sales/), which a lot of people have blamed on its heavy-handed political themes. Given that this book also has heavy-handed political themes, things aren't looking good.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 15, 2018, 05:55:15 pm
Is the Red Skull a Fascist, or is the definition sufficiently narrow as to exclude supervillains?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 15, 2018, 05:58:27 pm
Is the Red Skull a Fascist, or is the definition sufficiently narrow as to exclude supervillains?

Oh, he's definitely a fascist.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 15, 2018, 06:18:24 pm
Is the Red Skull a Fascist, or is the definition sufficiently narrow as to exclude supervillains?

Oh, he's definitely a fascist.

So Captain America has always been antifa - well done para-anal.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 15, 2018, 06:32:58 pm
Is the Red Skull a Fascist, or is the definition sufficiently narrow as to exclude supervillains?

Oh, he's definitely a fascist.

So Captain America has always been antifa - well done para-anal.

Against fascism =/= Antifa.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 15, 2018, 06:41:26 pm
Is the Red Skull a Fascist, or is the definition sufficiently narrow as to exclude supervillains?

Oh, he's definitely a fascist.

So Captain America has always been antifa - well done para-anal.

Against fascism =/= Antifa.

except that is exactly what it equals. It's quite literally what it means. Other than that it is an extremely disparate collective. It's just like saying "not believing in god =/= atheist"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 15, 2018, 06:59:09 pm
Is the Red Skull a Fascist, or is the definition sufficiently narrow as to exclude supervillains?

Oh, he's definitely a fascist.

So Captain America has always been antifa - well done para-anal.

Against fascism =/= Antifa.

except that is exactly what it equals. It's quite literally what it means. Other than that it is an extremely disparate collective. It's just like saying "not believing in god =/= atheist"

Do you really think Antifa encompasses everybody who's opposed to fascism?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 15, 2018, 07:42:58 pm
No but it encompasses everyone who uses direct action, which is what Captain America does (Some Antifa don't condone violence but Captain America has fuckloads of violence):

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The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/) movement is a conglomeration of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist militant groups in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism through the use of direct action.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 15, 2018, 11:44:40 pm
No but it encompasses everyone who uses direct action, which is what Captain America does (Some Antifa don't condone violence but Captain America has fuckloads of violence):

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The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/) movement is a conglomeration of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist militant groups in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism through the use of direct action.

I think you're trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. AFAIK, Cap's never been a member of a vigilante group whose primary purpose was direct action against fascism. I don't think he ever joined a group that had "anti-fascist" or a variation in its name.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 16, 2018, 03:43:15 am
No but it encompasses everyone who uses direct action, which is what Captain America does (Some Antifa don't condone violence but Captain America has fuckloads of violence):

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The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/) movement is a conglomeration of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist militant groups in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism through the use of direct action.

I think you're trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. AFAIK, Cap's never been a member of a vigilante group whose primary purpose was direct action against fascism. I don't think he ever joined a group that had "anti-fascist" or a variation in its name.

Ahem... Captain America has literally been the leader of a vigilantee group that was specifically created for direct action against Fascism.

They called it "The Avengers" and they fought against a warlord who were imprisoning people without a trial based purely on profiling. (Civil war, Cap was running the rogue Avengers team against Stark and SHIELD who went full Fascist to imprison all mutants and other superheroes.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 16, 2018, 08:48:53 am
Cap's never been a member of a vigilante group whose primary purpose was direct action against fascism.
By virtue of being a superhero he's a vigilante.

By virtue of scuffling with the Red Skull he's taken direct action against fascism.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 16, 2018, 10:23:56 am
Lana are you that dumb or do you not read comics?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 16, 2018, 05:13:22 pm
Cap was part of the Allied Forces, an organization created specifically to, amongst other things, make fascists good dead.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on May 16, 2018, 05:18:02 pm
And I can foresee a Lana post going "SKREE!!! YOU THINK FASCISTS DESERVE TO DIE! U R NOT A GOOD LEFTIST! WAAH!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 16, 2018, 05:47:26 pm
No but it encompasses everyone who uses direct action, which is what Captain America does (Some Antifa don't condone violence but Captain America has fuckloads of violence):

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The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/) movement is a conglomeration of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist militant groups in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism through the use of direct action.

I think you're trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. AFAIK, Cap's never been a member of a vigilante group whose primary purpose was direct action against fascism. I don't think he ever joined a group that had "anti-fascist" or a variation in its name.

Ahem... Captain America has literally been the leader of a vigilantee group that was specifically created for direct action against Fascism.

They called it "The Avengers" and they fought against a warlord who were imprisoning people without a trial based purely on profiling. (Civil war, Cap was running the rogue Avengers team against Stark and SHIELD who went full Fascist to imprison all mutants and other superheroes.)

I know people were calling Tony "Der Eisenführer", but fascism is not a synonym for authoritarianism. Fascism refers to a form of populist, totalitarian, ultra-nationalist right-wing extremism. America was not fascist during the time of the SRA. Incredibly oppressive, yes, but not fascist.

Cap was part of the Allied Forces, an organization created specifically to, amongst other things, make fascists good dead.

The Allies were a military alliance of nations fighting against the Axis Powers. That's a very different thing from an Antifa group.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 16, 2018, 06:48:21 pm
Yeah yeah yeah.  We learned 70 years ago what to do with fascists and their cronies.  Remind me, what happened to Italy in the 40s, again?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 16, 2018, 07:00:45 pm
Smashing people in the face with a big shield is not direct action. And the Nazis and Blackshirts that walked around holding Fasces were not fascists. Hey some of them were good people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on May 16, 2018, 08:26:00 pm
Despite how weird real life has gotten, it's not comic books. There can be parallels and similarities and even metaphors or recreated historical events. Super soldiers willing to do what it takes to save and protect the world is different than regular, fallible people who (most of the time) seem to try to help but have a bad praxis leading to horrible PR in the mistaken belief that because they're more progressive, history is going to look at them kindly like how we look back on the allied forces.

History is repeating itself as a farce, just look at the jokers who are at the forefront of the neo-nazis and the alt-right. They've got people killed, but their incompetence is such (plus the modern mainstreams aversion to overt nazism) that these people will be relegated to a footnote and only be remembered as "try-hard wannabe successors" to the much more frightening German Nazi war machine (and even then, the historical nazis were eventually undone by their leaders incompetency, it just happened after far too much tragedy than it should have been ended with)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 16, 2018, 08:49:33 pm
Yeah yeah yeah.  We learned 70 years ago what to do with fascists and their cronies.  Remind me, what happened to Italy in the 40s, again?

Well, the Allies invaded in 1943, and Nazi Germany set up a puppet state that same year. Thankfully, Italy was finally freed of fascist tyranny in 1945.

But it seems to me like you haven't learned enough from history. Do you know what happened to Italy in the 70s and 80s?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 16, 2018, 09:42:55 pm
You smug fuck.  Jesus Christ, anyone with access to Wikipedia can figure out the answers to that: the Years of Lead.  The Marxist movement in Italy made a catastrophically destructive ass of themselves and were basically terrorists.  Does the name Dylann Roof ring a bell, you blatantly smug honkie?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 16, 2018, 09:56:46 pm
You smug fuck.  Jesus Christ, anyone with access to Wikipedia can figure out the answers to that: the Years of Lead.  The Marxist movement in Italy made a catastrophically destructive ass of themselves and were basically terrorists.  Does the name Dylann Roof ring a bell, you blatantly smug honkie?

Good, now we're getting somewhere! But not quite far enough. What do you know about its influence on the Italian right of the era?

And by the way, I'm only half honkie. And you're the one who got the condescension ball rolling:

Yeah yeah yeah.  We learned 70 years ago what to do with fascists and their cronies.  Remind me, what happened to Italy in the 40s, again?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 17, 2018, 01:57:33 am
So, Lana... Are you familiar with the Civil war storyline in Marvel or not? Because one of the main motivations for Cap to oppose the registration is that he saw where that kind of thing leads to. Concentration camps and lists of people is literally what the Nazis did, it's what the US did to Japanese-Americans and it's close enough to Fascism for him.


Besides, your arguments are mainly about semantics anyway. Point still remains that "opposing Fascism" is neither un-American nor is it something that Cap would not do based on the history of the character.

If you wanna argue for how much you hate Antifa you can open up a thread for it.

As for the Italy in the 40's bit, I don't get how you think that defeating Fascists through violence (military action specifically) somehow discredits Antifa using several means, including violence, to combat Fascists.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 17, 2018, 01:58:47 am
Are those situations really comparable?  There have been a few violent incidents with Antifas but overall it's rare and I don't think they've ever killed anyone.

Also

(https://i.redditmedia.com/mezE1LQYpMNWJsNAvyJH_8XhUlLT971HSyfBDQAsSqM.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=7ffb7f429475fb7e417003b068a411b2)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 17, 2018, 02:06:27 am
AFAIK at least the people calling themselves Antifa in USA haven't killed anyone. Few people have been hit (which is riskier than Hollywood tells you) and they've done some property damage but that's about it. Meanwhile the Neo-Nazis have shot people, driven over people with cars, beaten up people and usually have been the ones to instigate violence.

But my point was that if sending an army to topple a Fascist regime is OK in Lana's books, then why the hell does she complain so much about Nazis getting punched?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 17, 2018, 08:03:39 am
Apart from the violence actually perpetrated by these fucking Nazis, it is important to remember that these fucktards are promoting genocide, not their bullshit white genocide either. Their stated goal is to establish a white ethnostate in the US. How the fuck do you do that without violence and genocide? You can't crackers.

They say 'oh look the other ethnicities will want to move, once the ethnostate is established'. Well that's complete bullshit. If it weren't there would be segregated ethnostates already. Moreover people don't like to move. Even in the shittest of circumstances people stick around. Because its fucking hard to leave your home and your family and all you've worked for.

So no punching a nazi is not responding with violence to their free and open exchange of ideas.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 17, 2018, 09:11:10 am
Let's not forget in the white ethnostate, anyone not lily white is gonna be property, not people cause that's how we get work done in the white ethnostate.  Oh and white women have less rights then white men but are considered people in the ethnostate so we're probably looking at a white washed Handmaid's Tale.

Ironbite-which is even more horrible to contemplate.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2018, 09:23:45 am
And by the way, I'm only half honkie. And you're the one who got the condescension ball rolling:

Oh dear god.  If you can't spot an effing rhetorical question, then I'm done here.  Also, don't try to invoke the "direct question" rule, honkie.  This ain't daddy's first goat-fuck.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 17, 2018, 10:34:23 am
I missed it because I don't care but Lana......don't do this again.  Please.

Ironbite-you already got fucking outed don't do this again.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 17, 2018, 04:35:04 pm
AFAIK at least the people calling themselves Antifa in USA haven't killed anyone. Few people have been hit (which is riskier than Hollywood tells you) and they've done some property damage but that's about it. Meanwhile the Neo-Nazis have shot people, driven over people with cars, beaten up people and usually have been the ones to instigate violence.

But my point was that if sending an army to topple a Fascist regime is OK in Lana's books, then why the hell does she complain so much about Nazis getting punched?

Simple. There's a world of difference between toppling a regime you're at war with and attacking people who have committed no crime besides holding distasteful political views. I'm fine with punching Nazis - or even outright killing them - if it's done in self-defense or the defense of others. On the other hand, picking fights with them when they haven't done anything yet makes you the aggressor.

Apart from the violence actually perpetrated by these fucking Nazis, it is important to remember that these fucktards are promoting genocide, not their bullshit white genocide either. Their stated goal is to establish a white ethnostate in the US. How the fuck do you do that without violence and genocide? You can't crackers.

They say 'oh look the other ethnicities will want to move, once the ethnostate is established'. Well that's complete bullshit. If it weren't there would be segregated ethnostates already. Moreover people don't like to move. Even in the shittest of circumstances people stick around. Because its fucking hard to leave your home and your family and all you've worked for.

So no punching a nazi is not responding with violence to their free and open exchange of ideas.



You're correct about the alt-right wanting a white ethnostate in the US, and also right about how establishing one would involve ethnic cleansing (Richard Spencer even admitted as much). Where I think you're wrong is the idea that it justifies unprovoked attacks on them. They are not currently in the process of establishing one, so attacking them is not preventing it from being established.

Even if we accept your premise as true, then by that logic, we should also punch Antifa members, based on this tweet:

(https://i.gyazo.com/aafa6a8635b426622886c46b038842fb.png)

This is no different from an alt-right group calling for the removal of certain ethnic groups from "their" city. So shouldn't we punch both alt-right and Antifa?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 17, 2018, 04:51:54 pm
You smug fuck.  Jesus Christ, anyone with access to Wikipedia can figure out the answers to that: the Years of Lead.  The Marxist movement in Italy made a catastrophically destructive ass of themselves and were basically terrorists.  Does the name Dylann Roof ring a bell, you blatantly smug honkie?

Good, now we're getting somewhere! But not quite far enough. What do you know about its influence on the Italian right of the era?

And by the way, I'm only half honkie. And you're the one who got the condescension ball rolling:
If the other half is paragon I guess that's technically true.

Also Fascism was utterly stopped by WWII because Francisco Franco never existed. The glorious allies quashed Fascism and never ever encouraged or tolerated it anywhere ever again.

Who the hell is "General Pinochet?"

Also props on the old GG tactic of MS Paint tweets of dubious authenticity as gotchas.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 17, 2018, 04:56:21 pm
Don't forget Salazar.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2018, 07:50:27 pm
Slytherin?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 17, 2018, 08:07:21 pm
Slytherin?

Fascist dictator of Portugal.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 17, 2018, 10:22:10 pm
AFAIK at least the people calling themselves Antifa in USA haven't killed anyone. Few people have been hit (which is riskier than Hollywood tells you) and they've done some property damage but that's about it. Meanwhile the Neo-Nazis have shot people, driven over people with cars, beaten up people and usually have been the ones to instigate violence.

But my point was that if sending an army to topple a Fascist regime is OK in Lana's books, then why the hell does she complain so much about Nazis getting punched?

Simple. There's a world of difference between toppling a regime you're at war with and attacking people who have committed no crime besides holding distasteful political views. I'm fine with punching Nazis - or even outright killing them - if it's done in self-defense or the defense of others. On the other hand, picking fights with them when they haven't done anything yet makes you the aggressor.
  (Bolding mine)


Motherfucker. What do you think. That. Advocating for. The Genocide of. Several. Groups. Of people. And gathering. Like-minded individuals to one's cause. Is?

Hint: It's fucking violence. Or are you saying that if you could go back and kill every member of the Nazi party before they came to power, you wouldn't, because, even though they fully intended to and based themselves on the principles of killing the motherfucking Jewish people (and black people, and disabled people, and gay people, and the Roma, and really, anyone who wasn't a fucking Nazi)? You stop these things early. You don't let them tumble out of fucking control and become a threat that literally the whole world has to unite to defeat.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 18, 2018, 02:35:22 am
What's that? Is Lana using Alt-right as a source for her claims again?

https://itsgoingdown.org/eugene-alt-right-trolls-behind-boston-antifa-exposed/

Oh wow. Look at that. Your proof that the Big Bad Bully ANTIFA is a meany-meany organization is from a troll account run by (and shared by) Neo-Nazis. Who would have guessed that you do this again?

Oh and the entire "picking fights with Nazis" thingy is more than a little lie because when the Neo-Nazis roll into town they come armed for a fight any most of the fights have been instigated by them. Take a look at the "Unite the Right" rally for example, Nazis came in with guns and clubs and shields and were more than willing to throw the first punch.

And if you think that the only bad thing about Nazis is that they have an unpopular political opinion then you must have closed your eyes on purpose.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 18, 2018, 03:08:56 am
I missed it because I don't care but Lana......don't do this again.  Please.

Ironbite-you already got fucking outed don't do this again.

yeah if Para-anal is going to continue to shouldn't he at least maintain plausible deniability.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 18, 2018, 11:18:13 am
What's that? Is Lana using Alt-right as a source for her claims again?

https://itsgoingdown.org/eugene-alt-right-trolls-behind-boston-antifa-exposed/

Oh wow. Look at that. Your proof that the Big Bad Bully ANTIFA is a meany-meany organization is from a troll account run by (and shared by) Neo-Nazis. Who would have guessed that you do this again?

Oh and the entire "picking fights with Nazis" thingy is more than a little lie because when the Neo-Nazis roll into town they come armed for a fight any most of the fights have been instigated by them. Take a look at the "Unite the Right" rally for example, Nazis came in with guns and clubs and shields and were more than willing to throw the first punch.

And if you think that the only bad thing about Nazis is that they have an unpopular political opinion then you must have closed your eyes on purpose.

Three things.

1. Okay, I admit I didn't do the proper research on that. I messed up, and I apologize. However, even acknowledging that Twitter account was a hoax, I have plenty of evidence that Antifa are not our friends. Five words: "liberals get the bullet too."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw4l2MFHA1g

2. I'd like a source for most of the fights being instigated by the alt-right. It would certainly be in character for them, but a little confirmation would be nice. And even if most of the fights against the alt-right really were started by them, it certainly doesn't justify Antifa attacking people who aren't alt-right.

3. Do you really think me that ignorant? I know that the Nazis would put a bullet in my head if they could get away with it. However, I believe that Antifa is only making things worse, even ignoring the fact that a lot of the time, they attack people who aren't fascist.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 18, 2018, 08:26:35 pm
I expected to hear the crowd chanting that, instead I got unsourced graffiti with a hammer and sickle that was obviously penned by totally genuine antifas because it looks so antifa-ey.

One up from unsourced screenshots of dubious authenticity I suppose.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 19, 2018, 04:35:22 am
https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/bayarea/news/article/Fake-Facebook-Texas-shooting-Dimitrios-Pagourtzis-12926197.php?utm_campaign=reddit-desktop&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

Distract and redirect. People have already made fake social media accounts for the latest school shooter in USA to try to frame him as an eeevil ANTIFA/Hillary supporter...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 19, 2018, 06:42:51 am
You know, I was just thinking that America is a touch overdue for a school shooting. You guys certainly don't disappoint.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 19, 2018, 06:25:35 pm
You know, I was just thinking that America is a touch overdue for a school shooting. You guys certainly don't disappoint.

I was just thinking the other day that Australia is about 20 years overdue for a mass shooting. What gives?

Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 19, 2018, 07:42:13 pm
ANTIFA IS FASCISM!

Ironbite-what do I win?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 19, 2018, 08:08:32 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 19, 2018, 08:23:19 pm
Wait, if I don't live in France, then where did I get this baguette...?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 19, 2018, 09:12:42 pm
Wait, if I don't live in France, then where did I get this baguette...?

And where, oh where, did I find this Bordeaux wine?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2018, 03:12:53 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 03:22:31 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

>Implying her majesty successfully proved anything
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 20, 2018, 03:43:09 pm
>Implying her majesty successfully proved anything

>Implying that evidence or proof matters to your worldview
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2018, 03:58:52 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

>Implying her majesty successfully proved anything


(https://i.imgur.com/RCDz7rp.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, 3rd down.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 04:01:48 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

>Implying her majesty successfully proved anything


(https://i.imgur.com/RCDz7rp.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, 3rd down.

No, honey. Queenie's the one using fallacies. The idea that X=Y because Y is a subset of X is completely illogical.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2018, 04:15:49 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

>Implying her majesty successfully proved anything


(https://i.imgur.com/RCDz7rp.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, 3rd down.

No, honey. Queenie's the one using fallacies. The idea that X=Y because Y is a subset of X is completely illogical.

(https://i.imgur.com/3DYim0d.jpg)

Ironbite-Team will be assigned a 20 yard penalty on the kickoff.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 04:37:38 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

>Implying her majesty successfully proved anything


(https://i.imgur.com/RCDz7rp.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, 3rd down.

No, honey. Queenie's the one using fallacies. The idea that X=Y because Y is a subset of X is completely illogical.

(https://i.imgur.com/3DYim0d.jpg)

Ironbite-Team will be assigned a 20 yard penalty on the kickoff.

Nice try. Come back when you have actual arguments.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 20, 2018, 05:20:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35EB6MgfrSs

Lana, I'm gonna let you finish, but you sound like this guy when you try to debate.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 05:33:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35EB6MgfrSs

Lana, I'm gonna let you finish, but you sound like this guy when you try to debate.

That's rich coming from the woman who conflated "doesn't like fascism" with "Antifa".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 20, 2018, 07:03:02 pm
Not that it matters but Paranal's example is also wrong. If Antifa is a specific subset of those against fascism then all antifa are by definition against fascism.

So rather than saying 'you may as well say France is a Republic so all people who live in republics must be French', Paranal is saying France can't be a Republic because there are other Republics.

But we all know what our g.i.r.l. paranal is saying is "there are good people on both sides", "I feel triggered by media which has people attacking Nazi's", "Wolfenstein just lost a customer", "Sieg - wait who let that camera in here"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2018, 07:34:08 pm
Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Lets try a little deductive reasoning:

Anti- means opposed to, or against.
Anti-fa is short for anti-fascism.

Therefore...

Cute, but wrong. Antifa is a specific subset of people who don't like fascism. You might as well be saying everybody who lives in a republic lives in France.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

>Implying her majesty successfully proved anything


(https://i.imgur.com/RCDz7rp.jpg)

Ironbite-5 yard penalty, 3rd down.

No, honey. Queenie's the one using fallacies. The idea that X=Y because Y is a subset of X is completely illogical.

(https://i.imgur.com/3DYim0d.jpg)

Ironbite-Team will be assigned a 20 yard penalty on the kickoff.

Nice try. Come back when you have actual arguments.

(https://i.imgur.com/qNAeyrQ.jpg)

Ironbite-team is charged their first time out.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 07:50:39 pm
Not that it matters but Paranal's example is also wrong. If Antifa is a specific subset of those against fascism then all antifa are by definition against fascism.

So rather than saying 'you may as well say France is a Republic so all people who live in republics must be French', Paranal is saying France can't be a Republic because there are other Republics.

But we all know what our g.i.r.l. paranal is saying is "there are good people on both sides", "I feel triggered by media which has people attacking Nazi's", "Wolfenstein just lost a customer", "Sieg - wait who let that camera in here"

When did I say Antifa weren't against fascism? At least, I think that's what you're going on about.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 20, 2018, 08:04:01 pm
When did I say Antifa weren't against fascism? At least, I think that's what you're going on about.

Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Times like this, I wish I still smoked the devil's reefer. I would love to read this thread. LERLS
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 20, 2018, 08:08:26 pm
I think that is quite unfair to take what was said less than a week back out of context like that. I think you'll find that Para-anal was 'tired', 'upset' or 'didn't read what they posted'.

Perhaps it would be better if we were told about the trans/not trans brother/ cousin now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 08:11:14 pm
When did I say Antifa weren't against fascism? At least, I think that's what you're going on about.

Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Times like this, I wish I still smoked the devil's reefer. I would love to read this thread. LERLS

Ohhhh, now I think I know where you got that impression. Looks like there was a miscommunication. I meant that being against fascism didn't necessarily mean you were Antifa, not that Antifa wasn't against fascism.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 20, 2018, 08:22:50 pm
I think that is quite unfair to take what was said less than a week back out of context like that. I think you'll find that Para-anal was 'tired', 'upset' or 'didn't read what they posted'.

Perhaps it would be better if we were told about the trans/not trans brother/ cousin now.

Yeah, we're just so emotional these days
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2018, 08:25:53 pm
When did I say Antifa weren't against fascism? At least, I think that's what you're going on about.

Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Times like this, I wish I still smoked the devil's reefer. I would love to read this thread. LERLS

Ohhhh, now I think I know where you got that impression. Looks like there was a miscommunication. I meant that being against fascism didn't necessarily mean you were Antifa, not that Antifa wasn't against fascism.

(https://i.imgur.com/V4UZ4Qk.jpg)

Ironbite-15 yard penalty, third down.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 20, 2018, 08:37:25 pm
When did I say Antifa weren't against fascism? At least, I think that's what you're going on about.

Against fascism =/= Antifa.

Times like this, I wish I still smoked the devil's reefer. I would love to read this thread. LERLS

Ohhhh, now I think I know where you got that impression. Looks like there was a miscommunication. I meant that being against fascism didn't necessarily mean you were Antifa, not that Antifa wasn't against fascism.

(https://i.imgur.com/V4UZ4Qk.jpg)

Ironbite-15 yard penalty, third down.

I'm pretty sure by this point, it would just be half the distance to the goal at her back.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 20, 2018, 08:42:51 pm
If anyone understood what the fuck happens with gridiron. I think it's time we stopped discussing how much Lana loves Nazis and start talking about why either of the Rugby codes or soccer are much better games than Gridiron.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 20, 2018, 08:44:39 pm
If anyone understood what the fuck happens with gridiron. I think it's time we stopped discussing how much Lana loves Nazis and start talking about why either of the Rugby codes or soccer are much better games than Gridiron.

Soccer is the best sport ever.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 20, 2018, 08:55:40 pm
You know, I was just thinking that America is a touch overdue for a school shooting. You guys certainly don't disappoint.

I was just thinking the other day that Australia is about 20 years overdue for a mass shooting. What gives?

Every time a would be shooter pops up, the drop bears get him before anything can come of it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 09:15:35 pm
Speaking of the Santa Fe shooting:

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/997850169029943298 (https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/997850169029943298)

Quote
Just a hint.

If a student is a 1) loner, 2) quiet, 3) is bullied, 4) loves violent video games and 5) wears a trench coat to school - you can pretty much profile them as a potential mass shooter.

Oh really, Billy Boy?

https://div46amplifier.com/2017/06/12/news-media-public-education-and-public-policy-committee/ (https://div46amplifier.com/2017/06/12/news-media-public-education-and-public-policy-committee/)

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Analyses of mass homicide perpetrators themselves have not identified substantial links with violent video games.  A 2002 analysis by the US Secret Service (United States Secret Service and United States Department of Education, 2002) suggested that school shooters tended to consume relatively low amounts of violent media compared to normative levels for same-age peers.  This finding does not mean that if violence-prone youth watched more violent videos, they would be less likely to be violent. This finding simply means that no link has been found between school shooters and their videogame habits.

And as for the bullying thing:

http://www.businessinsider.com/columbine-shooters-motives-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T (http://www.businessinsider.com/columbine-shooters-motives-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T)

Quote
"Most of the initial reporting was wrong," wrote Dave Cullen, a journalist who spent 10 years researching and writing a book about Columbine. "We were so anxious to answer that burning question for you that we jumped to conclusions on tiny fragments of evidence in the first days, even hours."

One of the earliest misrepresentations was in profiling the two shooters and laying out their motives. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were initially reported as goths and loners who were part of the "Trench Coat Mafia." The media said they were bullied by jocks and sought revenge on classmates who treated them as social outcasts. Nineteen years later that profile still persists. But it's a myth.

So take your ignorant opinions, shove them up your ass, and go back to hoping Donald-senpai notices you.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 20, 2018, 11:03:48 pm
Well Antifa must be as bad as the fascists because they showed that Lana's post aboit "Boston Antifa" was just a bunch of her alt-right buds masquerading as antifas and that made Lanas argument look silly.

Those mean old antifas!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 20, 2018, 11:45:23 pm
Well Antifa must be as bad as the fascists because they showed that Lana's post aboit "Boston Antifa" was just a bunch of her alt-right buds masquerading as antifas and that made Lanas argument look silly.

Those mean old antifas!

Trust me, there's plenty of evidence of them being horrible. Ask a Berkeley resident.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 20, 2018, 11:48:35 pm
Why is it that whenever someone says "Trust me", my first instinct is that they're lying.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 21, 2018, 01:18:12 am
Trust me, there's plenty of evidence of them being horrible. Ask a Berkeley resident.

I don't believe you.  Cite your sources.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on May 21, 2018, 01:32:58 am
You know, I was just thinking that America is a touch overdue for a school shooting. You guys certainly don't disappoint.

I was just thinking the other day that Australia is about 20 years overdue for a mass shooting. What gives?

Every time a would be shooter pops up, the drop bears get him before anything can come of it.

Not quite the same thing as the stereotypical edgy/incel/terrorist style shootings we have in the states but this happened this month in Oz and was the worst one since the 96 massacre
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/world/australia/worst-mass-shooting-margaret-river.html
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 21, 2018, 01:50:30 am
That's rich coming from the woman who conflated "doesn't like fascism" with "Antifa".

You seem to conflate "does not like X" with "Has been known to kill X, with guns, melee weapons and his bare fucking hands. Will fight X wherever he sees it and does not compromise."

Because that is what Captain America does to Fascism and I'm sure that everyone except you will agree that this is a lot more violence and death than what has been done by people wearing the Antifa colours.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 21, 2018, 05:43:39 am
Technically, black is not a color, but it is the lack of color.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 21, 2018, 09:39:36 am
Technically, black is not a color, but it is the lack of color.

Only on the light spectrum; on the pigment spectrum, black is the presence of all colour.

/pedantry
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 21, 2018, 10:32:51 am
Trust me, there's plenty of evidence of them being horrible. Ask a Berkeley resident.

I don't believe you.  Cite your sources.

Alright.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.27152db86643 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.27152db86643)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/antifa-guardians-against-fascism-or-lawless-thrill-seekers/2017/09/14/38db474c-93fe-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html?utm_term=.4020faeba8a3 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/antifa-guardians-against-fascism-or-lawless-thrill-seekers/2017/09/14/38db474c-93fe-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html?utm_term=.4020faeba8a3)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.2ef6da9f4cb8 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.2ef6da9f4cb8)

That's rich coming from the woman who conflated "doesn't like fascism" with "Antifa".

You seem to conflate "does not like X" with "Has been known to kill X, with guns, melee weapons and his bare fucking hands. Will fight X wherever he sees it and does not compromise."

Because that is what Captain America does to Fascism and I'm sure that everyone except you will agree that this is a lot more violence and death than what has been done by people wearing the Antifa colours.

Yes. But my point has always been that Steve Rogers is not Antifa except in the broadest possible terms.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 21, 2018, 02:03:21 pm
Yes. But my point has always been that Steve Rogers is not Antifa except in the broadest possible terms.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

He's not complaining about Cap opposing fascism, but about the (supposed, I haven't read the comic) support for Antifa. Let's not build strawmen.
That was your original claim where you first started defending the Neo-Nazi complaining about the comic.

Then you moved onto this:

I think you're trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. AFAIK, Cap's never been a member of a vigilante group whose primary purpose was direct action against fascism. I don't think he ever joined a group that had "anti-fascist" or a variation in its name.

And as we have tried to point out repeatedly, Cap has been in vigilantee groups, several of them, that fought against Fascism. For some of those groups it was in fact the primary purpose.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 21, 2018, 02:25:46 pm
Yes. But my point has always been that Steve Rogers is not Antifa except in the broadest possible terms.

(https://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)

He's not complaining about Cap opposing fascism, but about the (supposed, I haven't read the comic) support for Antifa. Let's not build strawmen.
That was your original claim where you first started defending the Neo-Nazi complaining about the comic.

Then you moved onto this:

I think you're trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. AFAIK, Cap's never been a member of a vigilante group whose primary purpose was direct action against fascism. I don't think he ever joined a group that had "anti-fascist" or a variation in its name.

And as we have tried to point out repeatedly, Cap has been in vigilantee groups, several of them, that fought against Fascism. For some of those groups it was in fact the primary purpose.

He's a Nazi?

But anyway, are we still talking about his resistance to the registration act? Because in my opinion, you undermined your point with this:

So, Lana... Are you familiar with the Civil war storyline in Marvel or not? Because one of the main motivations for Cap to oppose the registration is that he saw where that kind of thing leads to. Concentration camps and lists of people is literally what the Nazis did, it's what the US did to Japanese-Americans and it's close enough to Fascism for him.

The Japanese-American internment was awful, but it was not done by fascists. When you brought it up, you essentially admitted that authoritarian and/or discriminatory acts are not solely performed by fascists. Internment camps and the like have been used by many different governments of many different ideologies. They could be found in many different colonial entities (the British put Boers in concentration camps), and in communist countries. Hell, the registration act drew comparisons to Maoist China and the Soviet Union. Should we say Cap's opposition to it was anti-communist?

And I never moved any goalposts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on May 21, 2018, 03:00:49 pm
Lana, why do you keep trying to convince people here of "BUT BOTH SIDES!" when everyone can 1) see through you and 2) has rejected BUT BOTH SIDES thoroughly?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 21, 2018, 03:28:07 pm
Because UPHisOwnDogmaAnal has to do this for the GOOD OF US ALL!  THE GOOD OF US ALL!  THE GOOD OF US ALL!

Ironbite-THE FUCKING GOOD OF US ALL!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 21, 2018, 04:38:57 pm
Lana, why do you keep trying to convince people here of "BUT BOTH SIDES!" when everyone can 1) see through you and 2) has rejected BUT BOTH SIDES thoroughly?

Ignoring your unjustified and inaccurate snideness, I keep talking about Antifa's misdeeds because they're normalizing political violence.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 21, 2018, 05:13:58 pm
Interesting you brought up Berkeley, because if I recall telling you, that's the city where the alt-right cut a deal with the coppers to disarm antifa but not the alt right before thumping any lefties antifa or non antifa alike. I guess political violence with police approval is ok.

But, both sides. Amiright?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 21, 2018, 05:19:54 pm
Interesting you brought up Berkeley, because if I recall telling you, that's the city where the alt-right cut a deal with the coppers to disarm antifa but not the alt right before thumping any lefties antifa or non antifa alike. I guess political violence with police approval is ok.

But, both sides. Amiright?

The source you keep citing only claims that the police disarmed Antifa to some extent. Everything else is a mighty reach.

And there is video evidence of Antifa throwing fireworks at people who are just standing there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw

Go to about 2:40.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 21, 2018, 05:28:16 pm
Interesting you brought up Berkeley, because if I recall telling you, that's the city where the alt-right cut a deal with the coppers to disarm antifa but not the alt right before thumping any lefties antifa or non antifa alike. I guess political violence with police approval is ok.

But, both sides. Amiright?

The source you keep citing only claims that the police disarmed Antifa to some extent...
But not the alt right, who went on a bashing frenzy.

Of course political violence is bad, on both sides, on both sides. Never mind that only one side has historically and presently actually had the full attention of law enforcement in the US! (https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/18/17368328/black-identity-extremist-fbi-klan-white-supremacy-black-lives-matter-balogun)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 21, 2018, 05:37:20 pm
Interesting you brought up Berkeley, because if I recall telling you, that's the city where the alt-right cut a deal with the coppers to disarm antifa but not the alt right before thumping any lefties antifa or non antifa alike. I guess political violence with police approval is ok.

But, both sides. Amiright?

The source you keep citing only claims that the police disarmed Antifa to some extent...
But not the alt right, who went on a bashing frenzy.

You have to prove that

1. No effort was made to disarm them

and

2. They started the fight

before I start believing this.

Of course political violence is bad, on both sides, on both sides. Never mind that only one side has historically and presently actually had the full attention of law enforcement in the US! (https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/18/17368328/black-identity-extremist-fbi-klan-white-supremacy-black-lives-matter-balogun)

Your article undermines itself with this:

Quote
That assessment discussed both white nationalists and protesters, but it did so in a telling way: It marked the protesters as the most imminent source of violence, warning that “anarchist extremists’ use of violence as a means to oppose racism and white supremacist extremists’ preparations to counterattack anarchist extremists are the principal drivers of violence at recent white supremacist rallies

This indicates that they were basing their assumption not on racism or political bias, but on events that had happened previously.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 21, 2018, 06:12:30 pm
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 21, 2018, 06:26:41 pm
So I am phrasing this to avoid the 'no true scotsman' - How many antifa supporters have killed people at rallies? How many (alt-right/nazis/alt-lite/fascists/wannabe fascists) have killed people at rallies?

Also you are saying that you won't believe the alt-right/fascists are violent unless it is proved that they didn't start it? (Ignoring the fact that telling people you want to wipe them out is starting it).

And you still insist your a biracial, bisexual anesthetic registrar who is not in fact Dynamic Dragon or Ultimate Paragon? - Just 'Trust me'
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 21, 2018, 06:39:36 pm
National-Socialism is truly the civil rights issue of our time.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 21, 2018, 06:43:24 pm
National-Socialism is truly the civil rights issue of our time.

Why doesn't anyone think of the Nazis!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 21, 2018, 06:54:46 pm
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 21, 2018, 07:11:22 pm
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

Isn't it always self defence against Nazis?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 21, 2018, 07:19:10 pm
I think what bothers me the most is that you couldn't make the Blues Brothers today or it would be boycotted as being too political:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCw7RJ5eE8
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 21, 2018, 07:36:58 pm
And as we have tried to point out repeatedly, Cap has been in vigilantee groups, several of them, that fought against Fascism. For some of those groups it was in fact the primary purpose.

He's a Nazi?

*record scratch*


Que? How the fuck is "Has been in several vigilante groups that fought against Fascism, and it was the main purpose of some of those groups"="He's a Nazi"? No. Please. Explain. Direct question invoked. I want your explanation for this one.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 21, 2018, 07:46:29 pm
Svata its the cancer man.  You can't be held responsible!

Ironbite-just lie back and think of England.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 21, 2018, 07:55:57 pm
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

Isn't it always self defence against Nazis?

It's self-defense if they attack first. Otherwise, no.

And as we have tried to point out repeatedly, Cap has been in vigilantee groups, several of them, that fought against Fascism. For some of those groups it was in fact the primary purpose.

He's a Nazi?

*record scratch*


Que? How the fuck is "Has been in several vigilante groups that fought against Fascism, and it was the main purpose of some of those groups"="He's a Nazi"? No. Please. Explain. Direct question invoked. I want your explanation for this one.

I was responding to this:

That was your original claim where you first started defending the Neo-Nazi complaining about the comic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 21, 2018, 07:57:33 pm
.....................I have no words.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 21, 2018, 10:03:36 pm
Then, maybe, you should have said that in a position where it looks like a response to that, rather than positioned as a response to what it actually appeared to reply to. Because how the hell else does this read?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 21, 2018, 10:11:31 pm
National-Socialism is truly the civil rights issue of our time.

Why doesn't anyone think of the Nazis!

I know. A few bad nazis in the 40's did a few bad things, like trying to eradicate an entire group of people and conquer the world... but that doesn't mean all nazis are bad. And how dare you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKiAxzej8Jo) imply such a thing? To do so makes you a bigot, and worse than Hitler, who only has a bad rap because of anti-nazi sentiments that pervade our society.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 21, 2018, 11:04:11 pm
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

Also you missed the very next paragraph aftwe the one you're trying to use as your "gotcha" from the Vox article.

Quote
Local and university pokice acted under similar assumptions, allowing white nationalists to move freely even after the violence on August 11.

So, their freaking out over a vastly overhyped antifa 'threat' caused them to overlook the ones screaming "blood and soil" and causing blood to soak the soil. Criminal negligence, at best!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 22, 2018, 12:10:15 am
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

I specifically excluded self-defense. Try again.

Also you missed the very next paragraph aftwe the one you're trying to use as your "gotcha" from the Vox article.

Quote
Local and university pokice acted under similar assumptions, allowing white nationalists to move freely even after the violence on August 11.

So, their freaking out over a vastly overhyped antifa 'threat' caused them to overlook the ones screaming "blood and soil" and causing blood to soak the soil. Criminal negligence, at best!

You mean they operated under the assumption that, based on past events, Antifa would attack and the alt-right would fight in self-defense? I agree that they should have taken greater measures in case the alt-right started things, but it's not as biased as you claim it to be.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 22, 2018, 12:29:53 am
Not that it matters. I mean, pointing out the obvious here is like shouting at a brick wall. It just begs the philosophical question whether a point truly has meaning if no intelligent observer is there to evaluate and understand said point. Essentially, the old "if a tree falls on Helen Keller, and no one is around, does she make a sound?"

Nevertheless, here I go: Lana, the timing of the protest coupled with the police action is suspect. It was after Charlottesville, where the alt-right killed a peaceful protestor. Disarming the group that is clearly less violent, while allowing literal Nazis to carry weapons in the wake Charlottesville, was clearly not borne of a desire to maintain peace: it was to leave protestors defenseless to Nazi attacks.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 22, 2018, 12:43:10 am
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

I specifically excluded self-defense. Try again.


Fighting Nazis, esp. if you belong to any of the groups that they literally want to wipe from the face of the Earth. Is always self-defense.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 22, 2018, 12:50:27 am
Not that it matters. I mean, pointing out the obvious here is like shouting at a brick wall. It just begs the philosophical question whether a point truly has meaning if no intelligent observer is there to evaluate and understand said point. Essentially, the old "if a tree falls on Helen Keller, and no one is around, does she make a sound?"

Nevertheless, here I go: Lana, the timing of the protest coupled with the police action is suspect. It was after Charlottesville, where the alt-right killed a peaceful protestor. Disarming the group that is clearly less violent, while allowing literal Nazis to carry weapons in the wake Charlottesville, was clearly not borne of a desire to maintain peace: it was to leave protestors defenseless to Nazi attacks.

Can you prove that no effort was made to disarm the rally's participants? Or that there was a serious effort to disarm Antifa, as opposed to a token show of doing so?

You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

I specifically excluded self-defense. Try again.


Fighting Nazis, esp. if you belong to any of the groups that they literally want to wipe from the face of the Earth. Is always self-defense.

So is it okay for rich people to pick fights with communists just for being communists?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 22, 2018, 02:01:12 am
Yes, because having stupid fucking amounts of money that you exploited people to get and being forced to give that up so that people don't starve is exactly the same as being born the wrong way. You can stop being rich. You cannot stop being gay, or black, or (heritage-wise, not belief-wise) Jewish. You disingenuous, false-equivalence-drawing FUCKWAD.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 22, 2018, 02:17:38 am
I mean, rich people pick fights with communists all the time. Now it is mainly by putting money into propaganda and bribing politicians to make sure that capitalist countries won't have powerful communist parties, but it is not unheard of for rich people to tell USA to invade a country and take down their government or give money to terrorists and help them smuggle drugs into Europe. United fruit company for example did both. Then again, times have changed, last time it was proven they did either was back in the distant 2007 and I'm sure they learned their lesson after that.

...But I was going somewhere with this. Oh that's right, if you see communists saying that they want to kill people just for being rich or being born into certain families then sure, that's bad and all but all the communists, socialists and whatnot that I've seen in real life (and not as strawmen) are just talking about equality and boring stuff like living wages or basic income. Meanwhile the Nazis I've seen are still quite open about wanting death camps. Almost as if the two groups are not the same.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 22, 2018, 02:51:42 am
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

I specifically excluded self-defense. Try again.

Also you missed the very next paragraph aftwe the one you're trying to use as your "gotcha" from the Vox article.

Quote
Local and university pokice acted under similar assumptions, allowing white nationalists to move freely even after the violence on August 11.

So, their freaking out over a vastly overhyped antifa 'threat' caused them to overlook the ones screaming "blood and soil" and causing blood to soak the soil. Criminal negligence, at best!

You mean they operated under the assumption that, based on past events, Antifa would attack and the alt-right would fight in self-defense? I agree that they should have taken greater measures in case the alt-right started things, but it's not as biased as you claim it to be.
Only LanaGon would take away from Charlotsville that the "alt right fought in self defense", tell me Lana, what was Heather doing to that alt right guys car from over thirty metres away before the alt-righter squished her with it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 22, 2018, 03:17:00 am
https://thinkprogress.org/white-supremacist-found-guilty-after-charlottesville-928a69a05180/

Why do the authorities persecute these poor people for self defence?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on May 22, 2018, 04:52:21 am
I mean, rich people pick fights with communists all the time. Now it is mainly by putting money into propaganda and bribing politicians to make sure that capitalist countries won't have powerful communist parties, but it is not unheard of for rich people to tell USA to invade a country and take down their government or give money to terrorists and help them smuggle drugs into Europe. United fruit company for example did both. Then again, times have changed, last time it was proven they did either was back in the distant 2007 and I'm sure they learned their lesson after that.

...But I was going somewhere with this. Oh that's right, if you see communists saying that they want to kill people just for being rich or being born into certain families then sure, that's bad and all but all the communists, socialists and whatnot that I've seen in real life (and not as strawmen) are just talking about equality and boring stuff like living wages or basic income. Meanwhile the Nazis I've seen are still quite open about wanting death camps. Almost as if the two groups are not the same.

Lana: BUT BUT BUT! I CAN FIND REDDIT POSTS! AND...AND TUMBLR QUOTES! AND TWEETS! BOFF SIDES!! WAAAH BOFF SIDES!! WAAH!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 22, 2018, 10:49:05 am
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

I specifically excluded self-defense. Try again.

Also you missed the very next paragraph aftwe the one you're trying to use as your "gotcha" from the Vox article.

Quote
Local and university pokice acted under similar assumptions, allowing white nationalists to move freely even after the violence on August 11.

So, their freaking out over a vastly overhyped antifa 'threat' caused them to overlook the ones screaming "blood and soil" and causing blood to soak the soil. Criminal negligence, at best!

You mean they operated under the assumption that, based on past events, Antifa would attack and the alt-right would fight in self-defense? I agree that they should have taken greater measures in case the alt-right started things, but it's not as biased as you claim it to be.
Only LanaGon would take away from Charlotsville that the "alt right fought in self defense", tell me Lana, what was Heather doing to that alt right guys car from over thirty metres away before the alt-righter squished her with it?

I said they assumed the alt-right would fight in self-defense, you disingenuous chode.

I mean, rich people pick fights with communists all the time. Now it is mainly by putting money into propaganda and bribing politicians to make sure that capitalist countries won't have powerful communist parties, but it is not unheard of for rich people to tell USA to invade a country and take down their government or give money to terrorists and help them smuggle drugs into Europe. United fruit company for example did both. Then again, times have changed, last time it was proven they did either was back in the distant 2007 and I'm sure they learned their lesson after that.

...But I was going somewhere with this. Oh that's right, if you see communists saying that they want to kill people just for being rich or being born into certain families then sure, that's bad and all but all the communists, socialists and whatnot that I've seen in real life (and not as strawmen) are just talking about equality and boring stuff like living wages or basic income. Meanwhile the Nazis I've seen are still quite open about wanting death camps. Almost as if the two groups are not the same.

Lana: BUT BUT BUT! I CAN FIND REDDIT POSTS! AND...AND TUMBLR QUOTES! AND TWEETS! BOFF SIDES!! WAAAH BOFF SIDES!! WAAH!

Stop that right now. I have more than that.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/police-stand-down-strategy-at-berkeley-rally-praised-panned/ (https://www.revealnews.org/blog/police-stand-down-strategy-at-berkeley-rally-praised-panned/)

Quote
Tensions rose. The black bloc pushed forward, as if to scale the waist-high barriers that officers put up to secure the park. Alameda County sheriff’s deputies began putting on helmets and gas masks – a sign of trouble to come.

Then, police radios crackled: “Please be advised – we are not deploying,” the dispatcher said.

With that, police pulled back from the park, and the black bloc surged in. Fights and scuffles broke out. Right-wing demonstrators, badly outnumbered, found themselves mobbed by the black-clad protesters. They struggled to break away and flee.

Well, would you look at that? Antifa started the fight.

The article also seems to indicate that the police attempted to disarm both sides. And even if they really did only try to disarm Antifa, the fact that they were the ones who started the fighting makes it seem as though they had a point.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 22, 2018, 03:26:55 pm
Lana can I ask you to stop?  Like seriously.  Just stop.

Ironbite-you lost long ago.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 22, 2018, 03:30:55 pm
Lana can I ask you to stop?  Like seriously.  Just stop.

Ironbite-you lost long ago.

No I haven't.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 22, 2018, 04:20:38 pm
Everyone here has dismissed your arguments as frivolous and lacking in merit. You have convinced no one of anything, save that you think that protecting Nazis right to gather more Nazis and spread their hateful doctrine is more important than protecting oneself against Nazis. Take the L, already.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 22, 2018, 04:31:22 pm
Everyone here has dismissed your arguments as frivolous and lacking in merit. You have convinced no one of anything, save that you think that protecting Nazis right to gather more Nazis and spread their hateful doctrine is more important than protecting oneself against Nazis. Take the L, already.

That is a strawman. I have no problem with people protecting themselves from Nazis, but starting fights with them is not self-defense. Period.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 22, 2018, 04:38:35 pm
Is Lana actually the same guy as Jacob Harrison? They both have a tendency to take over threads and turn them into discussion of them wanking all over the internet!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 22, 2018, 06:37:48 pm
Oh shit.  Jacob is probably Ult's new sock puppet designed to make Lana look sane by comparison.

Ironbite-ULTIMATE DRAGON YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!  I READ YOUR BOOK!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 22, 2018, 06:38:26 pm
Lana can I ask you to stop?  Like seriously.  Just stop.

Ironbite-you lost long ago.

No I haven't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on May 22, 2018, 07:14:11 pm
Everyone here has dismissed your arguments as frivolous and lacking in merit. You have convinced no one of anything, save that you think that protecting Nazis right to gather more Nazis and spread their hateful doctrine is more important than protecting oneself against Nazis. Take the L, already.

That is a strawman. I have no problem with people protecting themselves from Nazis, but starting fights with them is not self-defense. Period.


I am bi. This means that Nazis want me dead, and are gathering forces in order to gain a position which they can then use to kill me, black people, Jewish people, and several other groups of people. Any action taken against them to prevent that is defending myself from their ultimate goal. Like, the whole fucking purpose of Nazism is to get to a point where they can eradicate the people they don't like. Literally murder us all. It is always. Always. Self-defense.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 22, 2018, 07:34:51 pm
I'm having a hard time figuring out why Lana Dragagon has taken this hill to die on.  I mean come on, it's Nazis.  We know what they're about.

Ironbite-these are not good people and their ideology should've been wiped from the face of the earth in 1950.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 22, 2018, 07:48:26 pm
I'm having a hard time figuring out why Lana Dragagon has taken this hill to die on.  I mean come on, it's Nazis.  We know what they're about.

Ironbite-these are not good people and their ideology should've been wiped from the face of the earth in 1950.

Is it impossible to hate both Nazis and Antifa?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on May 22, 2018, 08:06:50 pm
You know what?

Ironbite-fuck you I'm done.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 22, 2018, 10:41:51 pm
I'm having a hard time figuring out why Lana Dragagon has taken this hill to die on.  I mean come on, it's Nazis.  We know what they're about.

Ironbite-these are not good people and their ideology should've been wiped from the face of the earth in 1950.
Hey, the last incarnation was defending sex offenders on 4chan. At least it's in character!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 23, 2018, 12:14:21 am
I'm having a hard time figuring out why Lana Dragagon has taken this hill to die on.  I mean come on, it's Nazis.  We know what they're about.

Ironbite-these are not good people and their ideology should've been wiped from the face of the earth in 1950.

Is it impossible to hate both Nazis and Antifa?

Lana, I rarely debate anymore for two reasons: (1) I am now paid for arguing with people and (2) as I grew older, I realized that discretion is the better part of valor. I just started asking myself questions like "is this really worth my time" and "is this really the hill I want to die on?"

Lana: Is defending Nazis and falsely equating them to Anti-Fa really the hill you want to die on?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 23, 2018, 02:47:43 am
Kid, you aren't "winning" this debate and I believe understanding why that is, is going to help you a lot in life.

This is not a game, there are no rules and referees (other than the forum rules but that's a separate matter) in this. You don't score points or win anything by trying to get a "gotcha" out of people. Most importantly, no matter how well you write your comments, no matter how many people you have helping you find articles that defend the indefensible, you can't "win" by trying to argue that up is down.

This is real life debate and there are only two things that matter: a) can you make people believe that you are correct? b) what is the correct answer to the debated issue?

For the first part, you haven't convinced anyone that Nazis are the real victims that need protection or that Antifa is somehow really, really bad. For the latter part the answer is pretty much the same, Nazis bad, Antifa hooligans who band together because they don't like Nazis.

And here's another thing: We don't really care about making you admit "defeat" either. This isn't a game for us. When we see someone jump in to defend Nazis and fictional Nazis and complain about people who oppose Nazis we get upset because that's a pretty shitty thing to do. If it looks like everyone is ganging up on you it's just because there's no one else here who uses every single excuse to defend Nazis.

Heck, I've talked about non-violence before when some folks (*cough* Niam *cough) go over board, but even I know that Nazis are the real villains here.

And as another person who would get a bullet in the head if they take charge this is not an idle topic. In fact, simply as a person who opposes genocides I take personal interest in the "should Nazis be allowed to freely preach their hate and gain political power" matters.

EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNQ2SpHkNI

Right from the Fascist-horse's mouth: They do not care about free-speech and are only using it as a tool.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on May 23, 2018, 06:03:50 pm
Radically Pragmatic. See I want to punch this guy, barely even because of his politics.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on May 23, 2018, 08:18:47 pm
EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNQ2SpHkNI

Right from the Fascist-horse's mouth: They do not care about free-speech and are only using it as a tool.

Wow, that almost sounds like something that a nazi would do...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 23, 2018, 10:58:07 pm
Kid, you aren't "winning" this debate and I believe understanding why that is, is going to help you a lot in life.

This is not a game, there are no rules and referees (other than the forum rules but that's a separate matter) in this. You don't score points or win anything by trying to get a "gotcha" out of people. Most importantly, no matter how well you write your comments, no matter how many people you have helping you find articles that defend the indefensible, you can't "win" by trying to argue that up is down.

This is real life debate and there are only two things that matter: a) can you make people believe that you are correct? b) what is the correct answer to the debated issue?

For the first part, you haven't convinced anyone that Nazis are the real victims that need protection or that Antifa is somehow really, really bad. For the latter part the answer is pretty much the same, Nazis bad, Antifa hooligans who band together because they don't like Nazis.

And here's another thing: We don't really care about making you admit "defeat" either. This isn't a game for us. When we see someone jump in to defend Nazis and fictional Nazis and complain about people who oppose Nazis we get upset because that's a pretty shitty thing to do. If it looks like everyone is ganging up on you it's just because there's no one else here who uses every single excuse to defend Nazis.

Heck, I've talked about non-violence before when some folks (*cough* Niam *cough) go over board, but even I know that Nazis are the real villains here.

And as another person who would get a bullet in the head if they take charge this is not an idle topic. In fact, simply as a person who opposes genocides I take personal interest in the "should Nazis be allowed to freely preach their hate and gain political power" matters.

First of all, I'd like to point out that I wasn't the one who talked about victory and defeat in this discussion, except to deny that I was losing. That was ironbite and Svata:

Lana can I ask you to stop?  Like seriously.  Just stop.

Ironbite-you lost long ago.

Everyone here has dismissed your arguments as frivolous and lacking in merit. You have convinced no one of anything, save that you think that protecting Nazis right to gather more Nazis and spread their hateful doctrine is more important than protecting oneself against Nazis. Take the L, already.

But now, I'd like to talk about the constant mischaracterization of my reasoning and why it makes it so much harder to discuss this issue with you. When I discuss things with people, I don't expect them to agree with me. What I do expect is for them to make an effort to understand my position and my reasons for holding it. I believe I understand your position, and that of the others. You seem to believe that the Nazis have to be stopped from gaining power and hurting people, and that the best way to do that is through violence. My stance is that people have certain rights and freedoms, no matter what their views are; that the "punch a Nazi" mentality does more harm than good; and that Antifa have attacked too many non-fascists to be lionized as some noble resistance movement. But you seem to believe that I hold the position I do because I hold alt-right sympathies. I do not, as I have repeatedly explained. But you keep on insisting that I must have far-right leanings, because what other reason could I possibly have for disagreeing with you? And these constant accusations just wear me down and irritate me. Even if they didn't, it's so hard to debate things with somebody who doesn't understand where I'm coming from. How am I supposed to argue with people who can't understand my viewpoint?

EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mNQ2SpHkNI

Right from the Fascist-horse's mouth: They do not care about free-speech and are only using it as a tool.

I know full well that the alt-right doesn't care about free speech. They are no friends of civil liberties. But they should still be able to express their viewpoints. As much as I despise what they have to say, I will defend to the death their right to say it. And it's not just for moral reasons, but practical ones too. Letting bigots and extremists express their viewpoints makes it easier to counter them. It also makes it harder for them to play victim or claim to have stumbled on a truth that "they" don't want the general public to know. I think we should let radical Muslims talk about how much they hate the West. We should let tankies scream about how their hatred of charity. And yes, we should let the alt-right spew its bile.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 23, 2018, 11:29:24 pm
But you seem to believe that I hold the position I do because I hold alt-right sympathies. I do not, as I have repeatedly explained.

Actions speak louder then words. 

You are constantly making a thing about defending the free speech of alt-righters, frequently in situations where they aren't actually losing them.  But you never seem to care about alt-righters being violent or suppressing free speech unless we raise the matter.  Hell I once asked you if sending death threats to feminists was censorship and you seriously tried to weasel out of answering, saying their were "subtle nuances" on the issue.

I think you have alt-right sympathies because of your double standards, not because you disagree.  If you acted as someone who was against violence and censorship in general I wouldn't think that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 23, 2018, 11:38:42 pm
But you seem to believe that I hold the position I do because I hold alt-right sympathies. I do not, as I have repeatedly explained.

Actions speak louder then words. 

You are constantly making a thing about defending the free speech of alt-righters, frequently in situations where they aren't actually losing them.  But you never seem to care about alt-righters being violent or suppressing free speech unless we raise the matter.  Hell I once asked you if sending death threats to feminists was censorship and you seriously tried to weasel out of answering, saying their were "subtle nuances" on the issue.

I think you have alt-right sympathies because of your double standards, not because you disagree.  If you acted as someone who was against violence and censorship in general I wouldn't think that.

I started a thread about an eight-year-old boy getting lynched by alt-rightists (http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=7685.0). A thread where I pointed out that hate speech laws can hurt more than just the alt-right. You were saying?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 24, 2018, 02:56:25 am
"Remember that one time I wasn't defending Nazis because I spoke about one their victims before I went back to defending Nazis?"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 24, 2018, 08:14:00 am
Fact remains you spend a lot more energy defending people who, unlike the biracial lad why was nearly lynched, have never been in any physical danger but have been roundly criticised for spouting alt right talking points.

James Damore ring any bells? No, that's not an invitation for you to start soapboxing about him!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 24, 2018, 09:03:13 am
When was the last time any of you suggested censoring or assaulting... say, Nation of Islam members? If you talked about that, I'd be defending their rights too.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 24, 2018, 05:56:55 pm
When was the last time any of you suggested censoring or assaulting... say, Nation of Islam members? If you talked about that, I'd be defending their rights too.
Not if your posting history is anything to go by.

Your role around here seems to be tireless defence of anything socially conservative to alt-right while claiming the mantle of social liberalism. It all smacks of concern trolling.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 24, 2018, 08:29:23 pm
When was the last time any of you suggested censoring or assaulting... say, Nation of Islam members? If you talked about that, I'd be defending their rights too.
Not if your posting history is anything to go by.

Your role around here seems to be tireless defence of anything socially conservative to alt-right while claiming the mantle of social liberalism. It all smacks of concern trolling.

My posting history is only the way it is because you guys keep saying we should censor or assault certain groups and individuals. It's extremely flawed logic.

Let me illustrate this for you:
You: These people should be censored.
Me: No they shouldn't.
You: These people should be attacked.
Me: No they shouldn't.
*repeat ad nauseum*
You: Nazi sympathizer!
Me: WTF?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 25, 2018, 12:34:57 am
When was the last time any of you suggested censoring or assaulting... say, Nation of Islam members? If you talked about that, I'd be defending their rights too.
Not if your posting history is anything to go by.

Your role around here seems to be tireless defence of anything socially conservative to alt-right while claiming the mantle of social liberalism. It all smacks of concern trolling.

My posting history is only the way it is because you guys keep saying we should censor or assault certain groups and individuals. It's extremely flawed logic.

Let me illustrate this for you:
You: These people should be censored.
Me: No they shouldn't.
You: These people should be attacked.
Me: No they shouldn't.
*repeat ad nauseum*
You: Nazi sympathizer!
Me: WTF?
Allow me to illustrate why this explanation is a pile of rancid dingos kidneys.

You: Help help, sound the alarm. Nazis and sexists are being mistreated.
Everyone else: (counts the fucks not given...)
You: YEW MONSTAS!!!
Everyone else: (speculation on why you spend so much damn time defending Nazis..)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 26, 2018, 10:40:39 pm
When was the last time any of you suggested censoring or assaulting... say, Nation of Islam members? If you talked about that, I'd be defending their rights too.
Not if your posting history is anything to go by.

Your role around here seems to be tireless defence of anything socially conservative to alt-right while claiming the mantle of social liberalism. It all smacks of concern trolling.

My posting history is only the way it is because you guys keep saying we should censor or assault certain groups and individuals. It's extremely flawed logic.

Let me illustrate this for you:
You: These people should be censored.
Me: No they shouldn't.
You: These people should be attacked.
Me: No they shouldn't.
*repeat ad nauseum*
You: Nazi sympathizer!
Me: WTF?
Allow me to illustrate why this explanation is a pile of rancid dingos kidneys.

You: Help help, sound the alarm. Nazis and sexists are being mistreated.
Everyone else: (counts the fucks not given...)
You: YEW MONSTAS!!!
Everyone else: (speculation on why you spend so much damn time defending Nazis..)

Okay, three things.

1. I started a thread defending the free expression of Kapernick and his allies in the NFL.

2. There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about violence against the alt-right. Just ask Noam Chomsky (https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/noam-chomsky-antifa-major-gift-right).

3. I'd like to quote the rules:

If you disagree with someone's philosophical or religious beliefs, attack the belief, not the person.

Disagreements will happen. Try to argue in good faith and don't immediately leap to the worst possible interpretation of your opponent's words.

It seems to me like you're acting in direct violation of both of these rules. So stop this "you support Nazis" bullshit right now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 27, 2018, 01:16:27 am
Yes, I will certainly accede to your hilarious demands. /s

When you stop galloping in on your white horse to defend the alt right at any given opportunity! non/s

In the meantime, can you fuck off and start your own "whinging about people being mean to you" thread and stop crapping all over this one with your bullshit? I come here for the funny stuff lunatics have posted on the rest of the interwebz, kthnxbye!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on May 27, 2018, 01:38:15 am
Hey Lana, There are other members of this Forum that have oppossed the use of violence against Nazis, Askold for example.  But we don't call him a Nazi sympathizer. 

Maybe you should ask yourself why that is.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 30, 2018, 02:16:36 am
OK, so a TV star calls someone a monkey and gets fired and as a result bunch of Right-wingers show up to defend her...

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/05/29/pro-trump-media-have-meltdown-after-roseanne-s-racist-tweet-prompts-abc-cancel-her-show/220326

(https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2018/05/29/Bill_Mitchell_Barr.jpg)

(https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2018/05/29/billmitchell-jarrett.jpg)

(https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2018/05/29/billmitchell-jarrett2.jpg)

(https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2018/05/29/Screen_Shot_2018-05-29_at_2.18.04_PM.png)
I love that one... It's got Block-chain as the miracle cure for EVERYTING AND a knock-off of Netflix (how's the inferiour copy going to get customers? You need more than one show to make it profitable and several TV channels already have their own Netflix copies so there is a lot of competetion) as part of the solution to her losing the show.

(https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2018/05/29/fairbanks-roseanne-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 30, 2018, 09:20:57 am
Re: Last comic.

"Ssh.  Stop trying to let there be consequences for being a racist retard."

Fixed it for ya.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 30, 2018, 10:24:41 am
Onion News did it already: https://entertainment.theonion.com/abc-criticized-for-unrealistic-portrayal-of-racists-act-1826403613#_ga=2.114100868.2086576591.1527690265-2zr6wtg4yo2zp3uj1x7ixk8ems.1z3uel9cje4e5

Quote
PHILADELPHIA—In response to the abrupt cancellation of the hit series Roseanne the media watchdog group FactCheck.org blasted ABC Tuesday for its unrealistic portrayal of racists actually facing consequences for their actions. “This just does not represent how things actually work in America,” said spokesperson Rachel Donnelly, adding that the network’s decision to end production of a popular primetime comedy merely because the eponymous lead described a black, senior advisor to the former president as an “ape” grossly mischaracterizes the reality that racists can get away with whatever they want unchecked. “For years, ABC has presented us with an honest and true-to-life view of blatant racism, but today, by moving to punish Roseanne Barr for repugnant, prejudiced remarks, network executives have shown that they are completely out of touch with modern sensibilities.” At press time, Donnelly claimed that ABC’s parent company, Disney, deserved special blame for exposing impressionable children to such a lurid portrayal of repercussions for racial bigotry.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 30, 2018, 07:12:49 pm
Roseanne's claiming she didn't know Valerie was black (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-claims-didnt-know-valerie-jarrett-is-black/). That might've been a credible defense, but she's not being consistent on what ethnicity she thought she was. Jewish? Persian? Arab? Make up your mind!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 31, 2018, 05:31:11 pm
(https://i.redd.it/lpwajm24vty01.jpg)

Oh god, that poor kid.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 01, 2018, 01:50:46 am
Something that never ceases to amaze me is just how many Nazis are fans of a feminist show about a racially diverse society singing about friendship.  Just how do they not implode under the shear weight of their contradictory existence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcreC5Qk94o
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 01, 2018, 10:59:26 am
Something that never ceases to amaze me is just how many Nazis are fans of a feminist show about a racially diverse society singing about friendship.  Just how do they not implode under the shear weight of their contradictory existence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcreC5Qk94o

Well, the historical Nazis enjoyed the music of Richard Wagner (a left-leaning socialist), the literature of Karl May (an anti-racist pacifist), and the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche (who explicitly condemned anti-Semitism and ultranationalism), so it's not like they don't have precedent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on June 03, 2018, 02:59:12 pm
Quote
Stoneman Douglas High School shooter, Nikolas Cruz, shows off his psychotropic induced mentality, mixed with modern-day Autism.

I will continue to say that Autism will be a danger to American society until parents, schools and the general public stop coddling these spoiled life-losers!


Courtesy of good ol' Ghost, on his Gab account.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on June 03, 2018, 03:27:13 pm
Autism is.....not a medical thing but a lifestyle choice?

Ironbite-what?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on June 03, 2018, 04:18:10 pm
Ghost is a fucking moron and a prime example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 03, 2018, 04:19:36 pm
Ghost is a fucking moron and a prime example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Which "Ghost" are we talking about? I'm guessing it's the True Capitalist Radio guy, but I'd like to make sure.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on June 03, 2018, 04:31:57 pm
Ghost is a fucking moron and a prime example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Which "Ghost" are we talking about? I'm guessing it's the True Capitalist Radio guy, but I'd like to make sure.
The very same. His Gab account can be found here. https://gab.ai/politicsghost
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 04, 2018, 01:32:43 am
Isn't Ghost at least partially an act to gain listeners who want to troll him for fun because they can get him to say more dumb stuff/get angry at all the remixes and prank calls he gets?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 04, 2018, 11:55:58 am
Isn't Ghost at least partially an act to gain listeners who want to troll him for fun because they can get him to say more dumb stuff/get angry at all the remixes and prank calls he gets?

There are people who think Ghost is actually a character in the vein of Borat, but nobody knows for sure.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: solar. on June 04, 2018, 08:36:57 pm
Whenever he got pissed at the trolls and threw tantrums, that was an act. But his beliefs are genuine, (un)fortunately.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 05, 2018, 12:11:30 pm
(https://i.redd.it/vtnakvaafp111.jpg)

She must have a hard time finding a fellow ogre to date.

I apologize to any ogres I may have offended.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on June 05, 2018, 06:31:58 pm
Making fun of looks is so 2003.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 05, 2018, 06:39:19 pm
Fuck, I can't believe that's 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on June 05, 2018, 07:00:14 pm
Fuck, I can't believe that's 15 years ago.

Yeah, the War in Iraq is almost old enough to vote.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 05, 2018, 08:06:17 pm
Did the War in Iraq officially end?  What about the one in Afghanistan?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 05, 2018, 08:27:06 pm
Did the War in Iraq officially end?  What about the one in Afghanistan?

Iraq had an interruption, but no, neither has ended.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: The_Queen on June 05, 2018, 08:32:59 pm
Did the War in Iraq officially end?  What about the one in Afghanistan?

Oh, you. To be so young, naive, and squarely.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 05, 2018, 09:27:58 pm
Don't you call me an adverb.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 05, 2018, 09:45:17 pm
Technically, the US's longest war is against certain Native Americans. The 1868 Treaty of Fort Laramie ended Red Cloud's War, but the US unilaterally abrogated it in 1877, meaning that there's technically been a state of war for over 140 years.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 07, 2018, 07:22:52 pm
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/f57c4160416778a8f5fad4be7ec4349a/tumblr_p97hx68wFc1qahopvo1_540.png)

I really hope this is satirical or something.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 09, 2018, 01:39:51 pm
There's assholes and then there's these guys: https://makingstarwars.net/2018/06/give-us-legends-group-takes-credit-for-kelly-marie-tran-leaving-social-media/

(https://i1.wp.com/makingstarwars.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/GiveUsLegendsHateGroup.jpg?w=439&ssl=1)

...

...


...What the heck is wrong with these people?


Aside from the "why won't someone think of the poor white heterosexual males?!!?" cries whenever a show has a character that isn't one. They still complain about the "Legends" not being canon anymore despite it being the most sensible way to deal with the massive bloat of EU material in Star Wars. And it's not like even most of it is good material...

But really... Harassing people? "Spoiler Jihad?" This is not the behaviour of a sane person.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on June 09, 2018, 03:25:04 pm
I do believe these are Lana's people.

Ironbite-love to see their perspective on things.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 09, 2018, 04:19:56 pm
Now watch these guys try to take credit for it when Thrawn shows up in Episode 9.

(that's the rumor, anyway)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 09, 2018, 09:29:55 pm
All these guys have convinced me is that I really regret not being more of a bully to the "outspoken, canon-emphasizing nerds" in high school and college.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 10, 2018, 12:20:59 am
Thrawn wouldn't really fit in Episode 9. Not with the plot they seem to be going with. Kylo is in charge now so unless Thrawn usurps power from the obviously unstable force user he'd be playing second fiddle. And that would clash with how they've been using Hux as a character.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 10, 2018, 07:12:46 pm
Maybe Kylo Ren does a Darth Vader and betrays the newly-arrived Thrawn?  I dunno....he's already part of the "new canon" anyway, that much I know.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 11, 2018, 05:53:33 pm
"show them what real Star Wars fans look like"

...horrible human beings who find the idea of a movie being made without pandering to them unbearable and a girl being onscreen without wearing a bikini an aberration? Is that the idea you want people to have of the fandom?

Jesus. If you think the EU is better than the sequel trilogy, an opinion you are 100% allowed to have... go read the fucking EU and don't watch the sequel trilogy? They didn't burn down every copy of the books, they're right there where you left them. Best of all, it involves no harassing people! you can be a better person and enjoy yourself by the simple method of not watching movies you don't like!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 12, 2018, 12:46:57 am
Even if they're overestimating the impact they've had or are just trying to claim they're more powerful than they really are, the fact that they're taking credit for this says a lot about them, none of it good.

And not only are they assholes, they're idiots too. Why the hell would they take credit for a "bot attack" on Rotten Tomatoes? That just lets Lucasfilm claim the poor audience reception is just the result of some bigots with too much time on their hands. It's almost enough to make me think this is some kind of joke or hoax, but then again, some scumbags really are that stupid (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/silk-road-mastermind-unmasked-by-rookie-goofs-complaint-alleges/).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 13, 2018, 10:20:17 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsgSEg9WYAAnIVk.jpg:large)

1. When did Obama say that?

2. We didn't go to war against the Barbary states because they were Muslim. We fought them because they were holding our ships ransom and demanding we pay them tribute.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on June 13, 2018, 10:29:20 pm
And then signed a treaty with them in which we specifically said we were not founded on the Christian religion.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 14, 2018, 12:09:38 am
A quick Google search says that Obama never said that (surprise fucking surprise, I know).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 14, 2018, 01:27:47 am
A quick google search also says that actual republican representatives were reposting memes with the same fake quote on their facebook pages. Hell. I wouldn't be shocked if the one above was the exact thing being shared.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 18, 2018, 05:21:36 pm
This is pretty big, so I'm spoiling it:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on June 18, 2018, 05:28:19 pm
https://allmalesocialistsociety.tumblr.com (https://allmalesocialistsociety.tumblr.com)

Yeah, no satire involved at all in that blog.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 18, 2018, 07:02:43 pm
Lanabot Dynamic Paragon 3.0 was not installed with a humour function.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 18, 2018, 11:23:42 pm
https://allmalesocialistsociety.tumblr.com (https://allmalesocialistsociety.tumblr.com)

Yeah, no satire involved at all in that blog.

I didn't know what the source was.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 19, 2018, 12:13:16 am
To be fair Elliot Rodger did say exactly the same thing in his manifesto so I can understand mistaking it for serious.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 23, 2018, 05:14:30 pm
Found in a thread discussing overpopulation:

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The problem is that Aryan founded civilized nations (Slavs and Asians do not do this) view the sub-Saharan blacks as equals/victims/inferiors-who-need-'help.' This artificially grows the population, but never improves their 'civilization' because they naturally keep having offspring until resources run out and then there is starvation ect… that requires more 'help' that further balloons their population, while shrinking the Aryan population as these resources are not going to Aryans who require a higher-standard of living i.e. more resources for each child. The 'help' also now means directly importing feral black males into Aryan homelands… who can we thank for this 'enrichment' lol

The fantasy example would be Elves (the stupid elf meme is equivalent to the holyjew dumb blonde meme) feeling sorry for the orcs/trolls being stupid, ugly, and aggressive and giving them everything they have including their females, till their are no more Elves to care for the greatly increased numbers of orcs/trolls and they go back to fighting over what is left, and nature once again rules.

Pathological altruism is embedded in the western mind via the devolutionary mind virus of Christianity, Communism, and now 'Social Justice'… interestingly enough all these anti-nature dogmas are creations of Jews.

If you really wanted to help the Blacks (I don't know why you should care if you are not Black) the answer is to institute a one child policy for black women, and sterilize black males. This would gradually make an improved hybridized version of their race, while still retaining the main characteristics as black genetics are dominant. A good example of this is Somalia, where Arabs have raped their black sex slaves for millennia. More recent examples include Chinese men in Africa impregnating black women… the result is the Blasian, AMxBF is an example of good hybridization. In contrast BMxWF produces basically just more blacks. Genetically a coal-burner's offspring will be Black.  The Coal-burner will have more in common genetically with a random white person than her own children.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on June 23, 2018, 05:40:08 pm
Sorry but....I guess Genghis Khan's empire doesn't count.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 26, 2018, 04:03:59 am
Being altruistic is a bad thing now.

Thanks alt-right.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 26, 2018, 04:09:35 am
That was always a cornerstone of the Nazis horrid still born corpse of a political thought - altruism means you put someone before yourself, which equals weakness in their eyes. Because anyone not out for themselves is "doing it just to look good to others", or "is too weak to rely on strength and crush the weak".

It is from top to bottom a social darwinist ideology.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 26, 2018, 09:43:49 am
Being altruistic is a bad thing now.

Thanks alt-right.

That's been a thing since long before the alt-right was a lecherous gleam in the Tea Party's eyes.  Ever read Sutter Kane Ayn Rand?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 27, 2018, 09:35:32 pm
(https://i.redd.it/1gxxnevr4s511.jpg)

All the salt over this game - from both sides of the aisle - is absolutely hilarious. But I'd say the far-right's complaints are even more hysterical, considering how hilariously wrong they are. If the game's supposed to be anti-white propaganda, why are the bad guys as racially diverse as they are?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 28, 2018, 12:04:59 am
Because obviously all rural white people are weird Scientology-esque cultists.
Or something.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2018, 12:51:13 am
All of the butthurt is especially funny because the game tries so hard not to offend any one group in the first place. It features a racially diverse and all-inclusive Christian fundamentalist cult that never once throughout the entire game mentions God or Jesus and uses generic mind control drugs instead of an actual ideology to keep its people in line. You can practically hear Ubisoft's collective vertebrae creaking under the strain of bending so far over backwards to not offend anyone specific.

That said, these are the "this game was made by a diverse team of all different races and religions who all love each other so very very much" guys, so I suppose it's to be expected.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2018, 03:01:33 am
a) We already talked about that when the trailer came out and then again when the game came out.

b) The "heroes" of the game are also conservative right-wingers who stockpile guns for a revolution against the government, torture and execute unarmed enemies, murder people for the sake of preventing them from voting, and in general would be perfectly at home as the main character of a Tom Clancy novel.

EDIT:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/06/27/milo-wants-vigilantes-start-killing-journalists-and-hes-not-being-ironic

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“I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight,”

...Says Milo.

Some much for the calls for civility and the peaceful-Right.

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Andrew Anglin, the neo-Nazi editor of the Daily Stormer, was especially pleased. He wrote that “killing journalists is an awesome position to promote,” and that doing so might successfully rebrand Yiannopoulos: “Now that is a sentiment I can get behind.”

...Yeah, I'm sure that the Nazis are the ones who deserve sympathy. /s
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 28, 2018, 08:53:40 am
Ya know, if they're flinging shit about something this laughable and inoffensive, it makes me wonder what a fuckstorm we'd have had if Ubisoft had spine and decided to show what fundamentalist doomsday cults actually look like, demographically.  SPOILER ALART: They tend to be about as monochromatic as a sheet of blank printer paper.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 28, 2018, 10:48:45 am
Well, considering the political climate, I don't blame them for wanting to avoid controversy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 28, 2018, 04:59:13 pm
Funny, since they'd probably have made more money with it than without.  Giving it even more media attention than it already got would've sent sales even further into the realms of utter madness.  Let's not forget that, despite the fact it was a completely mediocre and forgettable game, Hatred was one of Steam's best sellers, outpacing the likes of fucking Grand Theft Auto V, CS:GO, and The Witcher 3.  Hatred sold fucking gangbusters.  If Ubisoft weren't so dedicated to their course with Far Cry 5, they could've basically been given a money printer and told to go hog wild with it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 07, 2018, 11:24:34 pm
(https://i.redd.it/wzm65snoz6211.png)

Damn Nazis, always encouraging free thought and open dissent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 08, 2018, 01:02:58 am
"Diversity of thought" is a phrase used by Neo-Nazis though. Also by conservatives, Libertarians and anti-feminists.

https://www.theroot.com/diversity-of-thought-is-just-a-euphemism-for-white-supr-1825191839

The article has plenty of examples like Marshall DeRosa, a Florida Atlantic University professor teaches that "black supremacy" caused the US civil war, when confronted about this he used the term" diversity of thought" as a defense.

This is all part of Alt-Right and other racists using "free speech" as a shield when promoting hate. And you really have to consider who uses this phrase. You are likely to see people demanding "diversity of thought" so that they can go to a Pride rally and shout that Transwomen are just guys who chopped off their dick, preach that feminism is cancer in front of a women's shelter or go to a school and teach that the US civil war was all about states rights. What you won't see is someone demanding that a KKK rally should include a speaker from the ACLU so that there would be diversity in the speeches given.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 08, 2018, 02:59:52 am
The real problems with that post is
A) People saying feminism is bad aren't necessarily Nazis. They could be MRAs/MGTOW (which are bad, but not genocidal, lumping them together is wrong)
B) Not sure how "active" the parents are if they think its a sudden jump to the feminism is cancer part of youtube.
C) They blame youtube for hosting the videos but don't offer any feasible solution for how they should change the algorithm or w/e to prevent the "nazi" videos from being found by their son.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 08, 2018, 10:33:43 am
"Diversity of thought" is a phrase used by Neo-Nazis though. Also by conservatives, Libertarians and anti-feminists.

https://www.theroot.com/diversity-of-thought-is-just-a-euphemism-for-white-supr-1825191839

The article has plenty of examples like Marshall DeRosa, a Florida Atlantic University professor teaches that "black supremacy" caused the US civil war, when confronted about this he used the term" diversity of thought" as a defense.

This is all part of Alt-Right and other racists using "free speech" as a shield when promoting hate. And you really have to consider who uses this phrase. You are likely to see people demanding "diversity of thought" so that they can go to a Pride rally and shout that Transwomen are just guys who chopped off their dick, preach that feminism is cancer in front of a women's shelter or go to a school and teach that the US civil war was all about states rights. What you won't see is someone demanding that a KKK rally should include a speaker from the ACLU so that there would be diversity in the speeches given.

1. Did you lump conservatives, libertarians, and anti-feminists in with neo-Nazis?

2. Yes, there are unsavory people using the phrase. But are they the only ones? I've heard the phrase a lot from people who are against the insanity and authoritarianism on college campuses.

The real problems with that post is
A) People saying feminism is bad aren't necessarily Nazis. They could be MRAs/MGTOW (which are bad, but not genocidal, lumping them together is wrong)
B) Not sure how "active" the parents are if they think its a sudden jump to the feminism is cancer part of youtube.
C) They blame youtube for hosting the videos but don't offer any feasible solution for how they should change the algorithm or w/e to prevent the "nazi" videos from being found by their son.

You say that like there aren't any legitimate reasons to dislike feminism. Two words: Duluth model.

The Duluth model is a program for fighting domestic violence created in 1981. Currently, it's the most common domestic abuse intervention program in America. It has a lot of problems (http://www.batteredmen.com/batdulut.htm), but I'm going to focus on one in particular. The feminist theory underlining the program is that men use violence in relationships to exert power and control, while women use violence to defend themselves and/or their children. Therefore, in cases of domestic violence, the man is always to blame, and must always be the one intervened against.

Yes, that's right: feminist theory has led to the institution of explicit and legally codified discrimination against men. Of course, there are feminists who will justify this blatant sexism by claiming that men are violent because patriarchal social norms taught them to be abusive, while women are violent only in self-defense. If this were the case, then you would expect domestic violence among lesbian couples to be virtually nonexistent. It's not (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/a-same-sex-domestic-violence-epidemic-is-silent/281131/). And even if men really are more likely to abuse their wives/girlfriends than vice-versa, that doesn't justify such blatant discrimination. According to FBI crime statistics, black people are more likely to commit crime against white people than the other way around. Should we preemptively assume that the black person is in the wrong if we see a fight between a white person and a black person?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 08, 2018, 11:25:35 am
The real problems with that post is
A) People saying feminism is bad aren't necessarily Nazis. They could be MRAs/MGTOW (which are bad, but not genocidal, lumping them together is wrong)
B) Not sure how "active" the parents are if they think its a sudden jump to the feminism is cancer part of youtube.
C) They blame youtube for hosting the videos but don't offer any feasible solution for how they should change the algorithm or w/e to prevent the "nazi" videos from being found by their son.

A) True, but there is a not inconsiderable amount of overlap between the two.

B) YouTube's recommendations are slipshod at the best of times.  I've had it recommend things from that particular area after watching something from Jim Fucking Sterling, Son or YongYea, as examples.

C) Is for "curation."  By actual people, not algorithms, not even well-trained neural networks.  As it is, Google is almost totally hands-off when it comes to the content on YouTube.  Kinda like Steam.  Have real, actual humans look over reports of hate channels and/or videos, and make a determination according to established standards and practices.  Start spouting Nazi bullshit?  Start calling women "femoids" and anyone who can actually manage to get their dicks wet either "Chads" or "cucks?"  Users would report that, and warm, human bodies would look at that shit and be like "Yeah, these people are cumstains, GTFO."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 08, 2018, 11:45:04 am
I lumped in those groups because in this instance they use the same dog whistle term for the same reason. Their requests for diversity are in fact attempts to silence opinions and facts that they do not like particularly when those opinions and facts favour feminism or condemn racism.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 08, 2018, 12:24:33 pm
I lumped in those groups because in this instance they use the same dog whistle term for the same reason. Their requests for diversity are in fact attempts to silence opinions and facts that they do not like particularly when those opinions and facts favour feminism or condemn racism.

Or maybe they just want to be heard. Not everything is some kind of sinister hypocrisy.

Direct question: are you for or against the principle of viewpoint diversity?

The real problems with that post is
A) People saying feminism is bad aren't necessarily Nazis. They could be MRAs/MGTOW (which are bad, but not genocidal, lumping them together is wrong)
B) Not sure how "active" the parents are if they think its a sudden jump to the feminism is cancer part of youtube.
C) They blame youtube for hosting the videos but don't offer any feasible solution for how they should change the algorithm or w/e to prevent the "nazi" videos from being found by their son.

A) True, but there is a not inconsiderable amount of overlap between the two.

Seriously? Have you ever actually talked to MRAs?

B) YouTube's recommendations are slipshod at the best of times.  I've had it recommend things from that particular area after watching something from Jim Fucking Sterling, Son or YongYea, as examples.

No argument there.

C) Is for "curation."  By actual people, not algorithms, not even well-trained neural networks.  As it is, Google is almost totally hands-off when it comes to the content on YouTube.  Kinda like Steam.  Have real, actual humans look over reports of hate channels and/or videos, and make a determination according to established standards and practices.  Start spouting Nazi bullshit?  Start calling women "femoids" and anyone who can actually manage to get their dicks wet either "Chads" or "cucks?"  Users would report that, and warm, human bodies would look at that shit and be like "Yeah, these people are cumstains, GTFO."

I'd rather Google not censor people, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 08, 2018, 01:16:48 pm
There's nothing wrong with diversity, whether of opinions, viewpoints or types of people. It's just that the example you used was a person who clearly identified the Nazi-dogwhistle term and as usual you keep defending Nazis "accidentally" by trying to claim that others use the same dogwhistle.

If you google the phrase "diversity of thought" pretty much everyone using it is doing so to attack "liberals" in USA and make them seem hateful.

BTW, I have talked with MRAs and the overlap with Nazis is very real. They share values AND enemies and whether a person is a member of both groups or simply considers the other group to be an ally of theirs varies but it does happen.

 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 08, 2018, 01:43:28 pm
There's nothing wrong with diversity, whether of opinions, viewpoints or types of people. It's just that the example you used was a person who clearly identified the Nazi-dogwhistle term and as usual you keep defending Nazis "accidentally" by trying to claim that others use the same dogwhistle.

There you go again, accusing me of defending Nazis based entirely on your own warped perceptions. Do I have to remind you of that time you thought obvious satire was written in complete sincerity again? Once again, I don't think you have what it takes to be a good moderator.

And I'm not believing that what they saw was actual Nazi propaganda until I see visual evidence of it. Not saying they're lying, just that their views are so insane that I don't trust their judgment.

If you google the phrase "diversity of thought" pretty much everyone using it is doing so to attack "liberals" in USA and make them seem hateful.

Ah yes, the "just Google it!" argument. Truly the mark of intellectual rigor.

But seriously, even if I accept that people really are using it to attack American liberals, that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't good reasons. There really are self-proclaimed liberals who try to silence diversity of thought, and there have been for some time.

BTW, I have talked with MRAs and the overlap with Nazis is very real. They share values AND enemies and whether a person is a member of both groups or simply considers the other group to be an ally of theirs varies but it does happen.

Which ones? How many? There have been feminists - both past and present - who use explicitly racist language. Does that mean there's an "overlap" between all feminists and white supremacy?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 09, 2018, 01:40:48 am
...You don't seem to understand what the word "overlap" means.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 03:26:38 am
Eh, it's just more pissing and moaning from right-whingers who confuse being called out, belly laughed at or mocked for actual oppression. You want to see how much conservatives love diversity of thought? Say something like Australia's Senator Hanson Young did when she opined that "men who rape women are pigs!" Guess who spearheaded the attack on her? "Libertarian" Senator David Leyonhjelm who accused her of hating on all men and told her to "stop shagging men." Diversity of thought for me not thee is the "libertarian" position. No surprises there.

As for the Daluth thing, one flawed policy that's cited as feminist inspired does not throw shade on the notion that women should be treated as political and social equals which is what feminism is. If I cited one particular Republican's statement that God is a white supremacist as emblematic of the GOP overall you can bet Lana would be up in arms. In fact if you pointed to GOP voter suppression as an example of racist tendencies in today's GOP she'd be more so.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 09, 2018, 09:30:52 am

I'd rather Google not censor people, thank you very much.


CURATION IS NOT CENSORSHIP. You don't have a RIGHT to be on youtube or steam.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 09, 2018, 04:07:25 pm
Oh goody we've reached the freeze peach part of the debate.

Ironbite-where Lana et al completely forgets nobody is owed a platform.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 04:57:43 pm
Eh, it's just more pissing and moaning from right-whingers who confuse being called out, belly laughed at or mocked for actual oppression. You want to see how much conservatives love diversity of thought? Say something like Australia's Senator Hanson Young did when she opined that "men who rape women are pigs!" Guess who spearheaded the attack on her? "Libertarian" Senator David Leyonhjelm who accused her of hating on all men and told her to "stop shagging men." Diversity of thought for me not thee is the "libertarian" position. No surprises there.

As for the Daluth thing, one flawed policy that's cited as feminist inspired does not throw shade on the notion that women should be treated as political and social equals which is what feminism is. If I cited one particular Republican's statement that God is a white supremacist as emblematic of the GOP overall you can bet Lana would be up in arms. In fact if you pointed to GOP voter suppression as an example of racist tendencies in today's GOP she'd be more so.

-Feminism as a whole shouldn't be dismissed because of one flawed policy.
-This one guy is proof that all libertarians are hypocrites.

Pick one.

And as for the oppression aspect, many liberal academics have admitted that they'd discriminate against conservatives (http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/03/liberals-admit-to-discriminating-against).


I'd rather Google not censor people, thank you very much.


CURATION IS NOT CENSORSHIP. You don't have a RIGHT to be on youtube or steam.

That sounds to me like you're willing to let private companies determine who gets to be a part of their platform. So why were you so upset when Steam relaxed its policy?

Oh goody we've reached the freeze peach part of the debate.

Ironbite-where Lana et al completely forgets nobody is owed a platform.

Funny you should say that. In Marsh v. Alabama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama), SCOTUS ruled that the rights of citizens under the Bill of Rights are more important than those of property owners. The case has some pretty interesting implications regarding social media.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 05:55:48 pm

-Feminism as a whole shouldn't be dismissed because of one flawed policy.
-This one guy is proof that all libertarians are hypocrites.

Pick one.
Oh look a colossus of straw, shall we peek in side? Are there straw Trojans within?

Hey, not all libertarians are conservatives or crypto-fascists with beards, Noam Chomsky's alright.

The definition of feminism is contested mostly by people who describe themselves as non feminists, like you, who benefited massively from the battles feminists fought for them but that's a topic for another day, and feminists who believe in the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. Most libertarians in English speaking countries subscribe to right wing libertarianism, certainly the Libertarian Party of the US does, Australia's David Leyonhjelm absolutely does and those libertarians are chiefly concerned with the maintenance of their own property rights. That's not something they themselves are contesting. The notion that feminist women have an agenda against men is something contested by feminists frequently.

I note that David Leyonhjelm had a twitter tantrum when a comedy show took the Mickey out of him (https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/06/29/free-speech-senator-david-leyonheljm-complains-about-free-speech_a_21421709/) and Rand Paul opposes locally elected representatives getting power to spend locally raised money. (https://www.thenation.com/article/rand-paul-r-stunning-hypocrisy/) All of which is what happens when your dominant form of libertarianism is chiefly concerned with property rights. (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Philosophical_problems)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 07:06:49 pm

-Feminism as a whole shouldn't be dismissed because of one flawed policy.
-This one guy is proof that all libertarians are hypocrites.

Pick one.
Oh look a colossus of straw, shall we peek in side? Are there straw Trojans within?

Hey, not all libertarians are conservatives or crypto-fascists with beards, Noam Chomsky's alright.

I wasn't sure what your scare quotes were intended to convey. If you didn't mean to tar all libertarians with the same brush, then I'm sorry.

The definition of feminism is contested mostly by people who describe themselves as non feminists, like you, who benefited massively from the battles feminists fought for them but that's a topic for another day, and feminists who believe in the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

Yes, all feminists believe in the advocacy of women's rights, even if they have disagreements about approaches and underlying ideas. But not all of them do so under the banner of equality. Many do, but not all. And earlier, you stated this:

As for the Daluth thing, one flawed policy that's cited as feminist inspired does not throw shade on the notion that women should be treated as political and social equals which is what feminism is.

Maybe it's just me, but you seem to have a very loaded and reductionist definition of "feminism." I've misinterpreted you before (as in, just two posts ago), so I'd like to ask you if you think somebody has to identify as a feminist to believe men and women are equal.

Most libertarians in English speaking countries subscribe to right wing libertarianism, certainly the Libertarian Party of the US does, Australia's David Leyonhjelm absolutely does and those libertarians are chiefly concerned with the maintenance of their own property rights. That's not something they themselves are contesting. The notion that feminist women have an agenda against men is something contested by feminists frequently.

I note that David Leyonhjelm had a twitter tantrum when a comedy show took the Mickey out of him (https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/06/29/free-speech-senator-david-leyonheljm-complains-about-free-speech_a_21421709/) and Rand Paul opposes locally elected representatives getting power to spend locally raised money. (https://www.thenation.com/article/rand-paul-r-stunning-hypocrisy/) All of which is what happens when your dominant form of libertarianism is chiefly concerned with property rights. (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Philosophical_problems)

Is that really true of most libertarians, or just ones that tend to gather more attention? Not every advocate against police brutality chants about dead cops, after all.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 07:31:32 pm
Well if the ones like that are the ones getting elected to the haĺls of power in this world the point is moot!

And advocating for the rights of women on the grounds of equality for the sexes is the dictionary definition of feminism. I think it's fair to say you prefer the dictionary definition of racism as opposed to the prejudice+power definition employed by those you consider SJWs!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 09, 2018, 08:05:09 pm

I'd rather Google not censor people, thank you very much.


CURATION IS NOT CENSORSHIP. You don't have a RIGHT to be on youtube or steam.

That sounds to me like you're willing to let private companies determine who gets to be a part of their platform. So why were you so upset when Steam relaxed its policy?



Because not doing proper curation and allowing everything on your platform 1. is dangerous and allows Nazis to use it for recruitment. and 2. Specifically in the case of Steam, since you mentioned that in particular makes it nigh-impossible for you to find any good games that don't have huge marketing budgets or at least developers with a massive following amongst the sea of shit vomited out onto it. For evidence of this phenomenon, see the collected works of Jim Fucking Sterling, son, et al.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 08:18:44 pm
Hey Lana, was Steam de-platforming Hatred censorship?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 08:26:18 pm
Hey Lana, was Steam de-platforming Hatred censorship?

Yes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 08:36:05 pm
Hey Lana, was Steam de-platforming Hatred censorship?

Yes.
You can still buy the game in America and a bunch of other countries, nothing's stopping you.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 08:47:51 pm
Hey Lana, was Steam de-platforming Hatred censorship?

Yes.
You can still buy the game in America and a bunch of other countries, nothing's stopping you.

Yes, because Steam put it back on (https://www.vg247.com/2014/12/17/gabe-newell-apologises-for-pulling-hatred-from-steam-greenlight/).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 09:05:46 pm
Hey Lana, was Steam de-platforming Hatred censorship?

Yes.
You can still buy the game in America and a bunch of other countries, nothing's stopping you.

Yes, because Steam put it back on (https://www.vg247.com/2014/12/17/gabe-newell-apologises-for-pulling-hatred-from-steam-greenlight/).
What, so if they do sell it but didn't before, when it was freely availiable elsewhere you are being censored?

You've never been prevented by Steam from playing the stupid thing, ever!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 09, 2018, 09:20:33 pm
If every store doesn't carry everything that falls under it's umbrella of products, it's censoring them! Obviously! Deciding "hey, what does giving this product a place to spread its message, or to funnel money to the kinds of people who'd make this say about us?" Not liking the answer, and deciding to pull it is censorship! Also, I see you just skipped past where I answered your question.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 09:40:32 pm
Hey Lana, was Steam de-platforming Hatred censorship?

Yes.
You can still buy the game in America and a bunch of other countries, nothing's stopping you.

Yes, because Steam put it back on (https://www.vg247.com/2014/12/17/gabe-newell-apologises-for-pulling-hatred-from-steam-greenlight/).
What, so if they do sell it but didn't before, when it was freely availiable elsewhere you are being censored?

You've never been prevented by Steam from playing the stupid thing, ever!

My memory of exactly what happened is a little fuzzy, but IIRC, the game was pulled because of public pressure. That was an attempt at censorship, whether it succeeded or not, and whether or not it could be bought elsewhere.

If every store doesn't carry everything that falls under it's umbrella of products, it's censoring them! Obviously! Deciding "hey, what does giving this product a place to spread its message, or to funnel money to the kinds of people who'd make this say about us?" Not liking the answer, and deciding to pull it is censorship! Also, I see you just skipped past where I answered your question.

So is it okay for a Christian bookstore to not carry Harry Potter books?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 09:46:11 pm
If every store doesn't carry everything that falls under it's umbrella of products, it's censoring them! Obviously! Deciding "hey, what does giving this product a place to spread its message, or to funnel money to the kinds of people who'd make this say about us?" Not liking the answer, and deciding to pull it is censorship! Also, I see you just skipped past where I answered your question.

So is it okay for a Christian bookstore to not carry Harry Potter books?
Well duh. If I walked into a bookstore with manuals on conversion therapy and kids books depicting lambs frolicking with veliciraptors on the Ark and found a Potter book I'd think someone was hilariously trolling them! No I don't mean a book by the Potter's House.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 09, 2018, 09:47:46 pm
...Yes?  Just like I wouldn't sell Bibles in my bookstore.  Or serve store brand coffee at my restaurant.  A private entity is entitled to the determination as to what products it sells.  Just because Chick-fil-A doesn't sell tacos doesn't mean you can't go to Pancho Villa and down all the Tex-Mex you can handle.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 09:55:09 pm
...Yes?  Just like I wouldn't sell Bibles in my bookstore.  Or serve store brand coffee at my restaurant.  A private entity is entitled to the determination as to what products it sells.  Just because Chick-fil-A doesn't sell tacos doesn't mean you can't go to Pancho Villa and down all the Tex-Mex you can handle.

What if we're talking not talking about a single community bookstore? Imagine a bookstore chain that holds a near-monopoly nationwide. Would it be okay for them to not carry Harry Potter books?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 09:56:54 pm
Hey Lana KFC Australia once had an ad of a white bloke soothing a rowdy West Indies crowd with buckets of fried chicken which was pulled after it caused the internets to asplode. Are KFC Australia being oppressed?

Or does the company just want to keep selling buckets of salted grease and not be forever branded KKKFC. Could impact sales.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 10:07:11 pm
Hey Lana KFC Australia once had an ad of a white bloke soothing a rowdy West Indies crowd with buckets of fried chicken which was pulled after it caused the internets to asplode. Are KFC Australia being oppressed?

Or does the company just want to keep selling buckets of salted grease and not be forever branded KKKFC. Could impact sales.

No. A business choosing to pull a commercial due to poor general reception is not being oppressed.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 10:11:03 pm
Hey Lana KFC Australia once had an ad of a white bloke soothing a rowdy West Indies crowd with buckets of fried chicken which was pulled after it caused the internets to asplode. Are KFC Australia being oppressed?

Or does the company just want to keep selling buckets of salted grease and not be forever branded KKKFC. Could impact sales.

No. A business choosing to pull a commercial due to poor general reception is not being oppressed.
But a seller wanting to pull a product from their shelves is? I thought you were at least sympathetic to libertarians, who are you to tell someone what to do with their shelf?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 10:27:00 pm
Hey Lana KFC Australia once had an ad of a white bloke soothing a rowdy West Indies crowd with buckets of fried chicken which was pulled after it caused the internets to asplode. Are KFC Australia being oppressed?

Or does the company just want to keep selling buckets of salted grease and not be forever branded KKKFC. Could impact sales.

No. A business choosing to pull a commercial due to poor general reception is not being oppressed.
But a seller wanting to pull a product from their shelves is? I thought you were at least sympathetic to libertarians, who are you to tell someone what to do with their shelf?

Left-libertarians. I believe in preserving the rights of individuals, whether it be from the government, big business, or their fellow citizens.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 09, 2018, 10:57:11 pm
...Yes?  Just like I wouldn't sell Bibles in my bookstore.  Or serve store brand coffee at my restaurant.  A private entity is entitled to the determination as to what products it sells.  Just because Chick-fil-A doesn't sell tacos doesn't mean you can't go to Pancho Villa and down all the Tex-Mex you can handle.

What if we're talking not talking about a single community bookstore? Imagine a bookstore chain that holds a near-monopoly nationwide. Would it be okay for them to not carry Harry Potter books?


Then... you... go to another chain? Where they're laughing and rolling in the dough because one of their biggest competitors decided to not sell one of the best-selling book series of all time?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 09, 2018, 11:04:16 pm
...Yes?  Just like I wouldn't sell Bibles in my bookstore.  Or serve store brand coffee at my restaurant.  A private entity is entitled to the determination as to what products it sells.  Just because Chick-fil-A doesn't sell tacos doesn't mean you can't go to Pancho Villa and down all the Tex-Mex you can handle.

What if we're talking not talking about a single community bookstore? Imagine a bookstore chain that holds a near-monopoly nationwide. Would it be okay for them to not carry Harry Potter books?

Again, yes. A company has the right to choose what it does and does not carry. The size of the company is irrelevant. Another company that does sell Harry Potter books will come along and sell them to you. This is how capitalism works. You know capitalism, right?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 09, 2018, 11:04:50 pm
...Yes?  Just like I wouldn't sell Bibles in my bookstore.  Or serve store brand coffee at my restaurant.  A private entity is entitled to the determination as to what products it sells.  Just because Chick-fil-A doesn't sell tacos doesn't mean you can't go to Pancho Villa and down all the Tex-Mex you can handle.

What if we're talking not talking about a single community bookstore? Imagine a bookstore chain that holds a near-monopoly nationwide. Would it be okay for them to not carry Harry Potter books?


Then... you... go to another chain? Where they're laughing and rolling in the dough because one of their biggest competitors decided to not sell one of the best-selling book series of all time?

Again, "near-monopoly nationwide." We're assuming that it's impractical to go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 11:05:31 pm
Hey Lana KFC Australia once had an ad of a white bloke soothing a rowdy West Indies crowd with buckets of fried chicken which was pulled after it caused the internets to asplode. Are KFC Australia being oppressed?

Or does the company just want to keep selling buckets of salted grease and not be forever branded KKKFC. Could impact sales.

No. A business choosing to pull a commercial due to poor general reception is not being oppressed.
But a seller wanting to pull a product from their shelves is? I thought you were at least sympathetic to libertarians, who are you to tell someone what to do with their shelf?

Left-libertarians. I believe in preserving the rights of individuals, whether it be from the government, big business, or their fellow citizens.
Is it left anything to demand a left wing bookseller stock copies of Mein Kampf just because you want to leaf through it?

And big business never stopped anybody buying the Hatred game. It just meant briefly that you had to order through the publishers website instead of the curators. Any inconvenience is not automatically a breach of your fundamental rights!

Also a science fiction scenario of one book behemoth  is not a threat to you any more than a Dalek or a Xenomorph!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 09, 2018, 11:21:34 pm

Lana, I am going to indulge in a hyperbolic example here, and use it to ask you a few direct questions. It's not necessarily realistic, and I'm not saying that your argument invariably leads to this, so it's not a slippery slope. It might be a bit reductio ad absurdum, but I'm also not saying that you are necessarily supporting this.


So. A man owns a clothing store. Among other things, they sell T-shirts. Note, please, this is not a secondhand store. One day, a person comes in, wants to sell a shirt emblazoned with an black eagle holding a black wreath. Encircled in the wreath is a black swastika on a white background. Above this is the word Sieg. Below is Heil. On the back is an image of Hitler and a bunch of silhouettes saluting him, in the manner that is their custom. Is the man obligated to order a hundred of these shirts and sell them? What if he's black? Jewish? Roma? Gay? Any combination of these? Is he still obligated to do it?


Now, say the shirts aren't full of hate. Say, instead, that they're ratty, with holes worn or chewed in them. Is he obligated to sell them in his store? What if the shirts are obviously stolen? What if they're none of these, but the images of them aren't hateful, just... not his? (For example, what if the image is Mickey Mouse, and this man is not at all a representative of the Disney corporation. He's Joe Blow from the trailer park with 2 DUIs and who got busted for meth a while back. He don't work for Disney.) When, if ever, can someone refuse to carry a product?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 09, 2018, 11:24:36 pm

And big business never stopped anybody buying the Hatred game. It just meant briefly that you had to order through the publishers website instead of the curators. Any inconvenience is not automatically a breach of your fundamental rights!


Indeed! Also, it's possible to argue that the one good thing about capitalism is that you're gonna be able to find someone, somewhere, to sell you what you wanna buy. Might take you a bit of looking, but they're out there. They've got what you want. And they're willing to part with it. If you have the cash.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 11:46:21 pm

And big business never stopped anybody buying the Hatred game. It just meant briefly that you had to order through the publishers website instead of the curators. Any inconvenience is not automatically a breach of your fundamental rights!


Indeed! Also, it's possible to argue that the one good thing about capitalism is that you're gonna be able to find someone, somewhere, to sell you what you wanna buy. Might take you a bit of looking, but they're out there. They've got what you want. And they're willing to part with it. If you have the cash.
Which is why this is bloody surreal. I'm a socialist arguing to a libertarian that imposing obligations on businesses to stop them deciding that they don't want to sell media for whatever reason constitutes an unreasonable restriction on their property rights.

Fucking bizzaro world!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 09, 2018, 11:46:54 pm
With respect to monopolies or near-monopolies, I think there can be reason for government investigation and intervention if the company in question is abusing its monopolistic position (that is, the government should be keeping a very close eye on them to make sure they're not, and crack down if they do).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 09, 2018, 11:57:31 pm
Also, yeah. "What if there's a near monopoly?!" Well, that why we have (had) anti-trust laws. To prevent LITERALLY THAT. A lot of other stuff too, but that's definitely on the list.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 10, 2018, 12:16:18 am
Also, yeah. "What if there's a near monopoly?!" Well, that why we have (had) anti-trust laws. To prevent LITERALLY THAT. A lot of other stuff too, but that's definitely on the list.

Anti-trust laws don't necessarily prevent monopolies (for instance, certain things, like utilities, are natural monopolies--the most economically efficient outcome is for there to be one provider), they just make sure that those monopolies don't abuse their monopolistic position (by quashing nascent competitors, or jacking up prices, especially in natural monopolies).

Otherwise there'd be no incentive to build better mousetraps.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 10, 2018, 12:40:57 am
Hey Lana KFC Australia once had an ad of a white bloke soothing a rowdy West Indies crowd with buckets of fried chicken which was pulled after it caused the internets to asplode. Are KFC Australia being oppressed?

Or does the company just want to keep selling buckets of salted grease and not be forever branded KKKFC. Could impact sales.

No. A business choosing to pull a commercial due to poor general reception is not being oppressed.
But a seller wanting to pull a product from their shelves is? I thought you were at least sympathetic to libertarians, who are you to tell someone what to do with their shelf?

Left-libertarians. I believe in preserving the rights of individuals, whether it be from the government, big business, or their fellow citizens.
Is it left anything to demand a left wing bookseller stock copies of Mein Kampf just because you want to leaf through it?

And big business never stopped anybody buying the Hatred game. It just meant briefly that you had to order through the publishers website instead of the curators. Any inconvenience is not automatically a breach of your fundamental rights!

Also a science fiction scenario of one book behemoth  is not a threat to you any more than a Dalek or a Xenomorph!

This is a thought experiment.


Lana, I am going to indulge in a hyperbolic example here, and use it to ask you a few direct questions. It's not necessarily realistic, and I'm not saying that your argument invariably leads to this, so it's not a slippery slope. It might be a bit reductio ad absurdum, but I'm also not saying that you are necessarily supporting this.


So. A man owns a clothing store. Among other things, they sell T-shirts. Note, please, this is not a secondhand store. One day, a person comes in, wants to sell a shirt emblazoned with an black eagle holding a black wreath. Encircled in the wreath is a black swastika on a white background. Above this is the word Sieg. Below is Heil. On the back is an image of Hitler and a bunch of silhouettes saluting him, in the manner that is their custom. Is the man obligated to order a hundred of these shirts and sell them? What if he's black? Jewish? Roma? Gay? Any combination of these? Is he still obligated to do it?


Now, say the shirts aren't full of hate. Say, instead, that they're ratty, with holes worn or chewed in them. Is he obligated to sell them in his store? What if the shirts are obviously stolen? What if they're none of these, but the images of them aren't hateful, just... not his? (For example, what if the image is Mickey Mouse, and this man is not at all a representative of the Disney corporation. He's Joe Blow from the trailer park with 2 DUIs and who got busted for meth a while back. He don't work for Disney.) When, if ever, can someone refuse to carry a product?

...You actually make good points. Maybe I should re-evaluate my stance on free speech as it pertains to consumer goods.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 10, 2018, 12:49:43 am
Ok, this thought experiment has no real world consequences.

But your passion for this consequence free dilemma is inspiring.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 10, 2018, 01:14:48 am
The beautiful thing about capitalism is that if the near-monopoly bookstore refuses to sell a particular, popular book, a more niche bookstore will happily pick up that opportunity and use it to become the next big bookstore. The solution to your thought experiment problem would literally solve itself with a little entrepreneurship. Hell, make a Kickstarter out of it!

And this is coming from a socialist.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 10, 2018, 01:16:44 am
...Yes?  Just like I wouldn't sell Bibles in my bookstore.  Or serve store brand coffee at my restaurant.  A private entity is entitled to the determination as to what products it sells.  Just because Chick-fil-A doesn't sell tacos doesn't mean you can't go to Pancho Villa and down all the Tex-Mex you can handle.

What if we're talking not talking about a single community bookstore? Imagine a bookstore chain that holds a near-monopoly nationwide. Would it be okay for them to not carry Harry Potter books?


Then... you... go to another chain? Where they're laughing and rolling in the dough because one of their biggest competitors decided to not sell one of the best-selling book series of all time?

Again, "near-monopoly nationwide." We're assuming that it's impractical to go somewhere else.

Dude.

You can buy games in stores all over the world. You can even buy games online. In fact, since you seem too lazy to use google: https://store.destructivecreations.pl/ Tadah! The company has a webstore of their own. You literally don't have to get off from your computer if you want to buy your violence-porn nihilist-fantasy game.

Same goes with a lot of other products today. Even if Wallmart doesn't sell something it doesn't mean that it is impossible for people to get it.

Heck, you seem to think that the tragedy of making it harder to buy edgy videogames is as big as Texas shutting down every abortion clinic in the state. And that my little Neo-Nazi is the difference between one store refusing (for a while) to sell a videogame and people being denied service and rights.

In fact, similar cases can be seen in other instances as well. A Republican politician who is thrown out of a restaurant will still find another restaurant that is willing to serve them and they can easily afford to go elsewhere. Depending on where you live in USA the nearest open abortion clinic could just be so far away that you can't afford to go there or will be greatly inconvenienced by the cost. The gay couple who won't get a marriage certificate likewise can't just go to a competitor to get one and them being denied service is a problem.

Someone being denied a platform to call people cucks or nigger-whores on Youtube or Reddit is still able to do so on other sites and that's not a major inconvenience for them.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Svata on July 10, 2018, 01:57:04 am
Hey Lana KFC Australia once had an ad of a white bloke soothing a rowdy West Indies crowd with buckets of fried chicken which was pulled after it caused the internets to asplode. Are KFC Australia being oppressed?

Or does the company just want to keep selling buckets of salted grease and not be forever branded KKKFC. Could impact sales.

No. A business choosing to pull a commercial due to poor general reception is not being oppressed.
But a seller wanting to pull a product from their shelves is? I thought you were at least sympathetic to libertarians, who are you to tell someone what to do with their shelf?

Left-libertarians. I believe in preserving the rights of individuals, whether it be from the government, big business, or their fellow citizens.
Is it left anything to demand a left wing bookseller stock copies of Mein Kampf just because you want to leaf through it?

And big business never stopped anybody buying the Hatred game. It just meant briefly that you had to order through the publishers website instead of the curators. Any inconvenience is not automatically a breach of your fundamental rights!

Also a science fiction scenario of one book behemoth  is not a threat to you any more than a Dalek or a Xenomorph!

This is a thought experiment.


Lana, I am going to indulge in a hyperbolic example here, and use it to ask you a few direct questions. It's not necessarily realistic, and I'm not saying that your argument invariably leads to this, so it's not a slippery slope. It might be a bit reductio ad absurdum, but I'm also not saying that you are necessarily supporting this.


So. A man owns a clothing store. Among other things, they sell T-shirts. Note, please, this is not a secondhand store. One day, a person comes in, wants to sell a shirt emblazoned with an black eagle holding a black wreath. Encircled in the wreath is a black swastika on a white background. Above this is the word Sieg. Below is Heil. On the back is an image of Hitler and a bunch of silhouettes saluting him, in the manner that is their custom. Is the man obligated to order a hundred of these shirts and sell them? What if he's black? Jewish? Roma? Gay? Any combination of these? Is he still obligated to do it?


Now, say the shirts aren't full of hate. Say, instead, that they're ratty, with holes worn or chewed in them. Is he obligated to sell them in his store? What if the shirts are obviously stolen? What if they're none of these, but the images of them aren't hateful, just... not his? (For example, what if the image is Mickey Mouse, and this man is not at all a representative of the Disney corporation. He's Joe Blow from the trailer park with 2 DUIs and who got busted for meth a while back. He don't work for Disney.) When, if ever, can someone refuse to carry a product?

...You actually make good points. Maybe I should re-evaluate my stance on free speech as it pertains to consumer goods.




Know what's neat? I picked those particular examples for reasons. One of them being that ALL of those have direct analogues on Steam. Games that spread hate. Games with no QA and where you can fall through the levels, or where there's no .exe. Asset flips. Games stolen whole cloth. Games with IP that they most certainly did NOT get the lisences for.


Though admittedly, that last is the least of these to me, but probably the greatest to Valve, and maybe to the clothing store owner, because selling that could probably get you sued by the Mouse and his army of lawyers. Though in that situation, the bigger concern might be the shirts that, uh, fell off the back of a truck. Fines are one thing. Prison's another. But I digress.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 10, 2018, 06:04:21 am
Isn't the valve controversy more about offensive games like "Active Shooter"? I know they need to be tighter about quality control but they still have policies against asset flips that they sometimes still act on and nobody is really opposed to.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 10, 2018, 06:09:30 am
Isn't the valve controversy more about offensive games like "Active Shooter"? I know they need to be tighter about quality control but they still have policies against asset flips that they sometimes still act on and nobody is really opposed to.
They pulled it (http://fortune.com/2018/05/31/active-shooter-video-game-may-still-be-released/), unfortunately they seem to have the Reddit/Facebook school of moderation. EG they'll remove something if it becomes a PR shitstorm. Quality and/or good taste don't seem to be the primary drivers here.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 10, 2018, 09:13:53 am
Yeah, that's why they pulled a bunch of their raunchier visual novels; some fambly valyoos fuckos decided games like HuniePop were bayud fer da yoof and threw a tantrum until Steam caved.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 10, 2018, 06:23:02 pm
...Yes?  Just like I wouldn't sell Bibles in my bookstore.  Or serve store brand coffee at my restaurant.  A private entity is entitled to the determination as to what products it sells.  Just because Chick-fil-A doesn't sell tacos doesn't mean you can't go to Pancho Villa and down all the Tex-Mex you can handle.

What if we're talking not talking about a single community bookstore? Imagine a bookstore chain that holds a near-monopoly nationwide. Would it be okay for them to not carry Harry Potter books?


Then... you... go to another chain? Where they're laughing and rolling in the dough because one of their biggest competitors decided to not sell one of the best-selling book series of all time?

Again, "near-monopoly nationwide." We're assuming that it's impractical to go somewhere else.

Dude.

You can buy games in stores all over the world. You can even buy games online. In fact, since you seem too lazy to use google: https://store.destructivecreations.pl/ Tadah! The company has a webstore of their own. You literally don't have to get off from your computer if you want to buy your violence-porn nihilist-fantasy game.

Same goes with a lot of other products today. Even if Wallmart doesn't sell something it doesn't mean that it is impossible for people to get it.

Heck, you seem to think that the tragedy of making it harder to buy edgy videogames is as big as Texas shutting down every abortion clinic in the state. And that my little Neo-Nazi is the difference between one store refusing (for a while) to sell a videogame and people being denied service and rights.

In fact, similar cases can be seen in other instances as well. A Republican politician who is thrown out of a restaurant will still find another restaurant that is willing to serve them and they can easily afford to go elsewhere. Depending on where you live in USA the nearest open abortion clinic could just be so far away that you can't afford to go there or will be greatly inconvenienced by the cost. The gay couple who won't get a marriage certificate likewise can't just go to a competitor to get one and them being denied service is a problem.

Someone being denied a platform to call people cucks or nigger-whores on Youtube or Reddit is still able to do so on other sites and that's not a major inconvenience for them.

I can see where you're coming from for the most part, but there are some things in your response I disagree with. For now, I'm going to focus on the "go to alternative websites" thing. What other websites? How many people use MySpace anymore? How many people are on Voat right now? I think Scott Alexander pointed out the flaws in this argument better than I ever could (http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/07/22/freedom-on-the-centralized-web/).

Yeah, that's why they pulled a bunch of their raunchier visual novels; some fambly valyoos fuckos decided games like HuniePop were bayud fer da yoof and threw a tantrum until Steam caved.

To be more precise, it was Morality in Media, aka the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/victory-steam-remove-sexually-explicit-violent-videogames-platform/).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2018, 06:26:28 pm
Isn't the valve controversy more about offensive games like "Active Shooter"? I know they need to be tighter about quality control but they still have policies against asset flips that they sometimes still act on and nobody is really opposed to.
They pulled it (http://fortune.com/2018/05/31/active-shooter-video-game-may-still-be-released/), unfortunately they seem to have the Reddit/Facebook school of moderation. EG they'll remove something if it becomes a PR shitstorm. Quality and/or good taste don't seem to be the primary drivers here.

Well, yes, obviously. Moderation for companies at that scale exists exclusively for the purpose of preventing PR issues. Why on Earth would they let taste of all things stop them from selling something, if someone is buying?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 10, 2018, 08:03:32 pm
Isn't the valve controversy more about offensive games like "Active Shooter"? I know they need to be tighter about quality control but they still have policies against asset flips that they sometimes still act on and nobody is really opposed to.
They pulled it (http://fortune.com/2018/05/31/active-shooter-video-game-may-still-be-released/), unfortunately they seem to have the Reddit/Facebook school of moderation. EG they'll remove something if it becomes a PR shitstorm. Quality and/or good taste don't seem to be the primary drivers here.
Well, yes, obviously. Moderation for companies at that scale exists exclusively for the purpose of preventing PR issues. Why on Earth would they let taste of all things stop them from selling something, if someone is buying?
Eh, I'm not under any delusions that their primary driver isn't the profit motive. If there's money to be made off of weirdos living out their mass shooting fantasies they'll go for the money every time and if it costs them more in other sales or legal hassles they'll back off. That was my point.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 16, 2018, 02:15:20 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/9YKnJ8XHjLBQXEalzedzpGFWaFM0PnC2HAyOclq-y1c.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=960&s=00a754f28eec414952ba6128a5631140)

...She is so close to understanding.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 19, 2018, 09:46:58 pm
A bit of stupidity from the New York City DSA:

https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1012808259818926080 (https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1012808259818926080)

These people are supposed to be democratic socialists, right? Because this sounds like something anarcho-communists would advocate.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 20, 2018, 12:07:16 am
A bit of stupidity from the New York City DSA:

https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1012808259818926080 (https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1012808259818926080)

These people are supposed to be democratic socialists, right? Because this sounds like something anarcho-communists would advocate.

There's social democrats and democratic socialists--the main difference being that the latter are post-capitalist and the former are not--and unfortunately the two terms are becoming conflated in the US. (It didn't help that Sanders called himself a democratic socialist when his policies are clearly social democratic.) Whoever posted that is on the post-capitalist side, at least.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on July 20, 2018, 12:53:24 am
Well for profit prisons (and all private prisons) should be abolished.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 20, 2018, 01:23:33 am
Well for profit prisons (and all private prisons) should be abolished.

Well yes, but they're not saying that; they said "abolish prisons".

(I don't mind the notion of abolishing cash bail either, it's basically a way of keeping poor people in jail--likely costing them their jobs even if they're completely innocent and acquitted at trial--while letting rich people--and whatever middle-class people remain--go about their regular business.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on July 20, 2018, 01:37:27 am
I wouldn't read too much into how nuanced the opinion is by way of banner.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 20, 2018, 01:41:50 am
^I wonder if it would work to have a cash bail that adjusts based on the individuals level of wealth, like how we don't ask rich and poor people to pay the same amount of taxes. 

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 20, 2018, 06:15:57 pm
A bit of stupidity from the New York City DSA:

https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1012808259818926080 (https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1012808259818926080)

These people are supposed to be democratic socialists, right? Because this sounds like something anarcho-communists would advocate.

There's social democrats and democratic socialists--the main difference being that the latter are post-capitalist and the former are not--and unfortunately the two terms are becoming conflated in the US. (It didn't help that Sanders called himself a democratic socialist when his policies are clearly social democratic.) Whoever posted that is on the post-capitalist side, at least.

Thanks for clarifying the difference, but this seems radical even by post-capitalist standards.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 20, 2018, 08:13:53 pm
Honestly, I don't see how abolishing prisons is keeping with the principles of either social democrats or democratic socialists, or socialists, or democrats of any stripe. It's just nuts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 20, 2018, 11:28:35 pm
Abolishing for-profit prisons and bail is perfectly sensible. Abolishing prisons and borders themselves is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 21, 2018, 01:32:39 am
Abolishing for-profit prisons and bail is perfectly sensible. Abolishing prisons and borders themselves is fucking stupid.

I wouldn't mind still having bail for rich defendants, but I'm not exactly tied to the notion.

And abolishing profit is ridiculous, capitalism works just fine in its proper sphere. It's when it's moved outside that sphere that it goes haywire.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 21, 2018, 11:01:47 am
Like prisons.  And education.  And healthcare.  And the basic fundamentals of modern human living.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 21, 2018, 11:31:52 am
Like prisons.  And education.  And healthcare.  And the basic fundamentals of modern human living.

More health insurance than health care. It's perfectly healthy for doctors to compete on quality of service and (especially for GPs) different secondary specializations.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 21, 2018, 11:39:13 am
But you don't lose any money with the bail if you show up in court. Allowing only rich people to pay bail would mean that any poor suspect would be stuck in jail while the rich will offer a sum of money as collateral and then get out. And the only purpose for the bail is to make it expensive for them to run away and hide from the court which is a thing that rich people can do easier anyway.

AFAIK bail bonds aren't really a thing in Finland. Either the court decides that the person is a flight risk or threat and must be detained until court or they don't. No payment necessary.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 21, 2018, 11:46:14 am
But you don't lose any money with the bail if you show up in court. Allowing only rich people to pay bail would mean that any poor suspect would be stuck in jail while the rich will offer a sum of money as collateral and then get out. And the only purpose for the bail is to make it expensive for them to run away and hide from the court which is a thing that rich people can do easier anyway.

AFAIK bail bonds aren't really a thing in Finland. Either the court decides that the person is a flight risk or threat and must be detained until court or they don't. No payment necessary.

No, the point would be that rich people would have to post (substantial) bail; poor people would be released on their own recognizance (and get reminders to show up in court; this has proved effective in Philadelphia), and possibly ankle tracking bracelets if they are deemed a flight risk.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 21, 2018, 11:58:23 am
That makes more sense.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 21, 2018, 09:04:33 pm
Honestly, I don't see how abolishing prisons is keeping with the principles of either social democrats or democratic socialists, or socialists, or democrats of any stripe. It's just nuts.

well, there's the "prison at the standards of most of the world is more or less torture and it makes criminals even more likely to commit crimes once they come out, so it might well be a net negative" argument.

I don't know if that's true, mind you. But I don't know that it's false either.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 21, 2018, 10:15:22 pm
That would more be an argument against how prisons are run than an argument against prisons per se.

Of course for the last century at least any attempt to reintergrate prisoners so they become less of a danger to society and less terminally violent, drug-addled fuckups runs into the same old predictable 'ur being soft on crims' narrative.

And so prisons are left to be violent, rapey, murderous torture-holes and crime schools until the inmates get let out at some point and do something worse than they did before they were chucked in.

Ah, fuck. This shit gives me a headache.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 21, 2018, 11:04:44 pm
That would more be an argument against how prisons are run than an argument against prisons per se.

Of course for the last century at least any attempt to reintergrate prisoners so they become less of a danger to society and less terminally violent, drug-addled fuckups runs into the same old predictable 'ur being soft on crims' narrative.

And so prisons are left to be violent, rapey, murderous torture-holes and crime schools until the inmates get let out at some point and do something worse than they did before they were chucked in.

Ah, fuck. This shit gives me a headache.

The first thing you could try is letting them vote while incarcerated and have that basic link to the rest of society, so that they're not completely cut off and ostracized.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 24, 2018, 09:02:28 pm
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what do you call an african racial male going up steps
YOUR GOING DOWN forever :)
i like women i like ftm and mtf shemales i like all sorts of people.
I JUST HATE AFRICAN RACIAL MALES and i don't see the need for their survival.
i love disabled people and i love women I JUST HATE AFRICAN RACIAL MALES .
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 25, 2018, 01:04:03 am
I really want to see the source on that quote because I think I might know who that is, funnily enough.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on July 25, 2018, 01:11:10 am
Who is it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 25, 2018, 03:30:21 am
It reads almost exactly like a really weird guy I talked to once. It sounds almost exactly like him but I can't be sure because I tried looking for where it would be posted but couldn't find it.

If it isn't him it's probably some random on reddit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 25, 2018, 08:56:00 am
It reads almost exactly like a really weird guy I talked to once. It sounds almost exactly like him but I can't be sure because I tried looking for where it would be posted but couldn't find it.

If it isn't him it's probably some random on reddit.

I found it in a YouTube comment. Unfortunately, I didn't bother to get the username.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2018, 08:52:59 am
Spoilered because the image technically is what scientific circles refer to as "FUCK HUEG!"

Also because it needs a preceding warning "may cause brain damage."

(click to show/hide)

...

a) The creator didn't know how to position speech bubbles. The panels are supposed to be read from left to right but the speech bubbles go from right to left...

b) The historical inaccuracies hurt my brain. Where did the history books teach that USA never brought slaves to the country?

c) Many of those inventions were only helpful thanks to the governments.

d) Most of that stuff has nothing to do with governments anyway. There was no point in human history invention of fire would have been the difference that makes organized nations unnecessary...

e) Bitcoin? Really?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 31, 2018, 10:21:09 am
Bitcoin was made for criminal enterprise and was adopted by the same people that screech that "this is the year of Linux on the desktop!" because they don't understand how international finance works.  Also, ancaps are mentally challenged.  Though, that's like saying that water's wet or that shit stinks.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 31, 2018, 11:34:31 am
But unlike Bitcoin Linux is actually useful, doesn't contain child pornography and not built on madness.

Sure, Linux is losing ground now and perhaps it will eventually die, but fore more than a decade it was a pretty good operating system that did what the users needed from it and that's a hell of a lot more than you can say about Bitcoin.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 31, 2018, 12:11:31 pm
HA, true that.  Plus, at least Linux is decent for servers, hobbyist electronics, and smaller computers like smartphones and tablets.  The only thing Bitcoin ever did was drive up the prices of high-end graphics cards.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on August 04, 2018, 04:16:08 am
Whats with AnCaps and never knowing about Libertarian Socialism (the original Libertarians, might I point out).

Like, I'm fairly certain Marx didn't like totalitarian states. That didn't really come into the picture until Stalin.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 09, 2018, 01:19:18 am
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My daughter has now been taught that the two parties in American politics are "the one that thinks it's okay to kill babies" and the "the one that wants to lock some babies in cages."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 09, 2018, 10:12:38 am
To be fair, the babies had it coming, the little terrorist bastards.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 12, 2018, 02:58:29 am
From the same person:

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Yes, yes, "reality has a liberal bias," they said defensively, even as they pretended that human fetuses aren't human beings while protesting GMO foods.

EDIT: From Bob Kuhn, President of Trinity Western University:

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Let there be no confusion regarding the board of governors' resolution; our mission remains the same. We will remain a Biblically-based, mission-focused, academically excellent university, fully committed to our foundational evangelical Christian principles.

This after they made the "community covenant," banning among other things sex outside of heterosexual marriage, optional for students (though not for faculty and staff).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 16, 2018, 09:56:07 am
"Biblically-based" and "academically excellent" are mutually fucking exclusive.

Religious "schools" should go the exact same way as for-profit schools.  Straight into the flaming, gaping maw of Hell.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 17, 2018, 08:36:50 pm
Psychiatry... fucking psychiatry.

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Delusions are false beliefs based on incorrect inference about external reality that persist despite the evidence to the contrary; these beliefs are not ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture.

(That's a paraphrase of the DSM-V; they threw on that last bit because they realized it characterized religion perfectly.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 18, 2018, 01:07:04 am
Meh, I don't see the problem here.  That covers a lot of stuff besides religion and there should be a distinction between ideology and mental illness.  A healthy brain can come to the wrong conclusion because it's what society taught it. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 18, 2018, 01:09:54 am
There's "coming to the wrong conclusion because of what society taught you" and then there's "refusing to change your wrong conclusions when you're presented with the evidence that they're wrong".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 18, 2018, 01:19:56 am
^ But almost everyone does that to at least some extent.  If we say every person who has a backfire effect is mentally ill then the concept of mental illness becomes so broad it's basically meaningless.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 19, 2018, 01:25:37 am
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39442778_10156349128395708_4647691059982237696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=3bb65b1350dc9d9ddb6e4addabdd3858&oe=5BFE723B)


Few things you need to know about this picture:

a) This picture is a few years old.

b) The people in the picture are youth members of a Finnish leftist political party.

c) No, these people are not in Denver beating up Fascists.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on August 19, 2018, 02:54:23 am
I don't see anything wrong with this. It'd be hilarious if they punched Richard Spencer enough to make his tongue completely numb and knock out a few teeth.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 19, 2018, 04:36:46 am
The assault trial would also be hilarious, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on August 19, 2018, 04:43:30 am
Eh, what happens, happens.

Such a damage to his tongue would make any attempt at speeches and talks difficult. Not to mention a fucking laugh riot.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 21, 2018, 01:07:05 am
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It appears you missed the thrust of my rejoinder. Consider, then, the following-

(1) If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties don't exist.
(2) If evil exists, objective moral values and duties exist.
(3) Evil exists.

(4) Therefore, objective moral values and duties do exist.
(5) Therefore, God exists.
(6) Therefore, God is the locus of all objective moral values and duties.

(7) Atheists insist God does not nor cannot exist.
(8) Therefore Atheists are amoral.

(https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-q0gJBBeYcQw%2FVMjncQW2iII%2FAAAAAAAAEmg%2FqkCkRWzGj6Y%2Fs1600%2FDahmer%252BQuote.jpg&key=GVV8j2TuAFyZ8BiliVIzkg&w=600&h=257)

Others point out that most atheists are not serial killers, he answers

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A better question is, why do atheists murder while Christians don't?

Others site examples of Christians murdering people

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Really? Can you take a moment and prove how these are compatible with murder? 1 Peter 3:11, Colossians 3:8,9, 12-14, Matthew 6:34, Matthew 5:43-46, Proverbs 20:11
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on August 21, 2018, 02:57:10 am
Mashing up William Lane Craig fail with No True Scotsman?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 21, 2018, 06:05:22 pm
Silly Bison!  The Bible isn't about something as small as murder.  Its bread and butter is genocide!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 07, 2018, 02:20:03 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Ydui0k1.png)

Yes. The "race-baiting." The race-baiting that "the Left" and ONLY "the Left" does.

Sure would make you look like a lying moron if someone could find evidence of people like you race-baiting. Even worse if it was you specifically inciting hatred with racist tirades and complaining about anyone who isn't your shade of pale.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on September 07, 2018, 02:26:15 am
We try to pretend that all the shittiness in Canada got dumped into Ted Cruz...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 07, 2018, 02:42:57 am
Note: r/Aganistgaymarriage (sic) is the name of the anti-gay marriage subreddit because the person who made it couldn't spell and someone else later made the r/againstgaymarriage sub just so that bigots couldn't take it.

(https://i.redd.it/1i8u5nzu8pk11.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Meshakhad on September 29, 2018, 01:16:26 pm
"Biblically-based" and "academically excellent" are mutually fucking exclusive.

Religious "schools" should go the exact same way as for-profit schools.  Straight into the flaming, gaping maw of Hell.

I must disagree with you. I attended a religious high school, and it was (and still is AFAIK) one of the top-rated high schools in the state.

Of course, we DID keep religion largely out of the secular classes, which probably helped a lot. Several of the secular teachers weren't even Jewish!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on November 15, 2018, 12:55:58 am
From a Flat Earth Convention

(https://video-images.vice.com/_uncategorized/1535568940403-Screen-Shot-2018-08-22-at-10835-PM.png?resize=850:*)

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“Just take a look at that for a minute. What we’re seeing here a masonic apron here, an all-seeing eye, we’re seeing an anunnaki type of reptilian creature here with some sort of halo or crown,” he says to the crowd's horror.

“This is straight up Luciferian, guys, and they put it right in front of our face, you just need to know where to look for it. This is what we’re up against.”
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on December 19, 2018, 04:43:17 pm
(https://i.redd.it/hgcxkxtpo9521.jpg)

Context: "Green" is an antivaxxer, so they assume that "Black" will miscarry because she is vaccinated and also seem to think that it's a good idea to gloat at someone with claims that they caused the impending death of their unborn child (publicly) as a way to punish them for taking vaccines.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on December 19, 2018, 05:34:17 pm
....that's....that's not how....that's....*short circuits*
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 20, 2018, 09:53:34 pm
Very pro-life of that anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 01, 2019, 12:21:15 am
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Enough of the "Whale Fucking is non-consensual" bullshit. A Humpback Whale weighs 70,000 pounds, is fifty feet long, can dive more than a quarter mile and can crush ships with a single swipe of its tail. If a human manages to fuck one, you damn well better believe it's consensual
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 01, 2019, 12:28:36 am
...that person was joking, right?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2019, 12:38:20 am
Once again, tackling the real issues.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on January 01, 2019, 12:43:44 am
...that person was joking, right?


Well I have no idea, but I looked the guy up and he is suspected of murdering his neighbor and ran for the presidential nomination for the libertarian party on a pro-bitcoin platform.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 01, 2019, 12:59:22 am
...that person was joking, right?


Well I have no idea, but I looked the guy up and he is suspected of murdering his neighbor and ran for the presidential nomination for the libertarian party on a pro-bitcoin platform.

Was he one of those other four guys on stage at the convention?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 01, 2019, 04:37:18 am
...that person was joking, right?


Well I have no idea, but I looked the guy up and he is suspected of murdering his neighbor and ran for the presidential nomination for the libertarian party on a pro-bitcoin platform.

John McAfee?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 01, 2019, 12:15:41 pm
Not enough allegations of trying to start a private military.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 06, 2019, 06:36:32 pm
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It doesn't matter where they were born, a shitskin is a shitskin. A rat born in a stable is not a horse.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on January 07, 2019, 09:47:07 pm
That brings to mind the wonderful people of /pol and their use of certain language. Calling black people "poopooskins" brings to mind an ugly, obese guy with a hairlip and interesting tooth configurations going on about his own supremacy because he's white.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 09, 2019, 05:18:25 am
I remember this quote on the main page that was this horrible and amazingly hilarious racist fanfic (i call it fanfic because it was r/thathappened material, but the site acted as though it was real) called "shitskin slave bubba" and hosted on shitskin.com.

Racists are weird.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 09, 2019, 09:38:04 pm
(https://i.redd.it/ks0k57gcm8921.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 10, 2019, 12:00:05 am
Yeah, because the poor bastards that work there have a say in the internal goings-on of their prisons.  I ain't gonna say they're victims, necessarily, but they ain't the ones pulling the strings, ultimately.  I'm sure a lot of wardens would be happy to give inmates more social distance, at the very least, to keep them (staff and inmate alike) from going stark raving mad.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 10, 2019, 06:01:17 am
It's not the poor guards fault prisons became for profit and need serious systemic reform (everything about the government and economy needs an overhaul, basically.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 10, 2019, 10:21:10 am
Ohhh, you hit on a rant button of mine!  Yes, the economy is shithoused, but not in the "ther urnt ner jerbs nuh moe" sense.  I mean in the sense that it is broken on a funamental, basic level.  Its foundational assumption is that there will be consistent growth, but money's a finite resource that only becomes more available if there's more people to spend it.  Ergo, to see a modern economy continue to function (that is: not stagnating), there needs to be consistent growth in the population.

Unfortunately, as one might be aware, there's a teeny, tiny, itty bitty, not-so-small-at-fucking-all problem in that we're rounding second base and asking if overpopulation has any condoms.  Sooo, the only thing that could compensate for this, given the current economical model?  Monetizing more things that were, at one time, considered public, non-profit (or, at least, not-for-profit) services.  What's that give ya?  Private prisons, the effective return of debtor's prisons, privatized education and healthcare, and more and more until...well, something gives.  Either the economy collapses, we enter some kinda cyberpunk dystopia, or we see a fundamental, radical shift in our economic bearing.  Well, that or the nukes start flying and we're stuck fighting mutated roaches and crazed, radioactive bears.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 10, 2019, 01:22:25 pm
Guess what? It gets better:

(https://i.redd.it/ja7tzjv5q9921.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 12, 2019, 11:39:07 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/HX4YPxq.jpg)

You know, the "wonder" in "chinless wonder" is supposed to be sarcastic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 18, 2019, 04:51:27 pm
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Sad how people think war is something to be proud of, and call fallen "heroes" to random men that just believed in (((their))) propaganda, when will you learn that we dont win anything, but we do lose our lives fighting for (((them))).Id rather put a bullet in my skull than kill people for (((them))), peace.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 18, 2019, 04:51:49 pm
Oh for the love of god.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 18, 2019, 06:31:28 pm
With that attitude, far away from fighting men and women id where you belong.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2019, 01:30:51 am
They aren't necessarily wrong.  War is nothing to be proud of; at best, it is an occasionally necessary evil.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on January 19, 2019, 05:38:08 am
They aren't necessarily wrong.  War is nothing to be proud of; at best, it is an occasionally necessary evil.

That's the most dangerous kind of propaganda: a sensible point twisted to serve sick ideas like antisemitism in this case.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 19, 2019, 10:20:35 am
They aren't necessarily wrong.  War is nothing to be proud of; at best, it is an occasionally necessary evil.

Having fought a couple, I'd say you're right. However that's not even close to why I made that remark.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2019, 12:04:40 pm
Fair 'nuff.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 19, 2019, 03:54:10 pm
Fair 'nuff.

Not quite. Kids hurried me off my phone. Regardless of the reasons you enlisted or accepted your commission, once you get there, you're fighting for the guys next to you. So i can proudly say that with only a small handful of exceptions everyone i shipped out with made it back.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2019, 04:34:00 pm
Aye, that's why I tend towards supporting the poor bastards on the ground, even if I don't support why they're on the ground in the first place.  Not like they get to dictate where they go and why.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 20, 2019, 02:46:04 am
Support our veterans, depose our warmongers.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 20, 2019, 03:01:48 am
Support our veterans, depose our warmongers.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: rookie on January 20, 2019, 10:01:27 am
Support our veterans, depose our warmongers.

Exactly.

It's funny really. When I got back from Iraq, Mrs. Rookie drove me home. We went past K State U and I saw one of my neighbors out protesting the war. He saw me and came running over. Gave me a big ol hug and welcomed me back with arms literally open. And he used almost those exact words.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 21, 2019, 07:13:09 pm
(https://i.redd.it/dllt8klgbub21.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 21, 2019, 07:14:36 pm
That's definitely a joke mate, like fappy the anti-masturbation dolphin
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 21, 2019, 07:47:22 pm
Me thinks Chaos Undivided doesn't get jokes at all.

Ironbite-among other things.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 21, 2019, 09:14:27 pm
Wait, an obvious joke? How can you be... hold on a second.

*looks under the ring*

*looks up www.stopmasturbationnow.org*

*finds out it's a satirical website*

Oops.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 21, 2019, 11:08:15 pm
I know humour can be hard for a gestalt entity but seriously if you see the words 'devil's doorbell', 'sin cave' or 'self-rape'  it's satire.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 22, 2019, 12:18:05 am
S I N C A V E
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 22, 2019, 12:23:49 am
I know humour can be hard for a gestalt entity but seriously if you see the words 'devil's doorbell', 'sin cave' or 'self-rape'  it's satire.

People use the most ridiculous terms with complete sincerity. And aren't we all technically gestalt entities?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 22, 2019, 12:34:25 am
I've heard devil's doorbell before I think. However I would like to note that usually its male/penis masturbation that fundies freak out over, they enjoy pretending women and girls or general vagina-bearers don't do that kind of thing, which is of course completely wrong.

But it was an obvious satire the moment I saw sin cave.

S I N
C A V E

Give me a sin cave daddy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 22, 2019, 01:27:25 am
More totally serious non-parody, how dare you imply this is in jest, religious chastity propaganda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pzs0aGu1fU
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 22, 2019, 01:55:46 am
(https://i.redd.it/cynpkwgm2nh11.jpg)

I've seen dairy farms with less bullshit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 22, 2019, 02:16:39 am
I've heard devil's doorbell before I think. However I would like to note that usually its male/penis masturbation that fundies freak out over, they enjoy pretending women and girls or general vagina-bearers don't do that kind of thing, which is of course completely wrong.

But it was an obvious satire the moment I saw sin cave.

S I N
C A V E

Give me a sin cave daddy.

The correct phrase, is "Fill my sin cave to stretching daddy!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 24, 2019, 10:06:02 pm
(https://i.redd.it/j7mnwo0qylb21.png)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 24, 2019, 10:09:29 pm
.....so what type of food do white people eat there Nazi?

Ironbite-I'm dying to see the follow up.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 24, 2019, 11:10:40 pm
Brussels Sprouts, I assume have to be safe, being named after a European city.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 24, 2019, 11:28:38 pm
I'm gonna guess mayo straight outta the jar. Using a spoon, of course; they don't eat with their unwashed hands.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on January 24, 2019, 11:29:25 pm
HOW DARE this Nazi compare good people to THE INHUMANS.

On top of being a racist, he has dolled out the darkest, most horrifying insult - comparing ANYONE, ANYWHERE, to The Inhumans.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 25, 2019, 04:33:34 am
You know, usually when people talk about how racists try to "dehumanize" people it is not meant literally...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 25, 2019, 07:08:24 am
My parent's generation have told me tales of what "all white" food was like in Australia in the 50s and 60s. Bread was white, cheese was Kraft and all coffee was instant. No wonder people drank so much beer then to escape the misery!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on January 25, 2019, 07:33:06 am
HOW DARE this Nazi compare good people to THE INHUMANS.

On top of being a racist, he has dolled out the darkest, most horrifying insult - comparing ANYONE, ANYWHERE, to The Inhumans.

I take it the show wasn't up to your taste?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on January 25, 2019, 10:45:46 pm
Literally the only good thing in that show is the dog.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 26, 2019, 06:20:03 pm
Literally the only good thing in that show is the dog.

Dogs are always the best part in anything (unless there's also a cat)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 27, 2019, 08:31:14 am
Just keep saying The Words, The Words shall beat back the darkness...

(https://i.redd.it/1k56ldewbvc21.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 28, 2019, 01:21:31 am
Always use the same stock phrases and answers to prove the people we don't like are the NPCs.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 31, 2019, 12:43:56 am
Because why engage with your opponents when you can just spout the same stupid catchphrase over and over?

On an unrelated note:

Quote
It is also a rejection of dogmatic sexual taboos imposed on people by Christianity and the patriarchy, an embracing of free love, an embracing of the idea that all love is love, a rejection of feeling shame about sexual desires, a rejection of straight sexuality, and a public embracing of pride in a sexual identity that the old morality prohibits.

For the record, this is about an incident where a prepubescent "drag kid" danced on stage at a gay strip club where grown men threw money at him. Some taboos exist for good reasons.

That's not to say there's no bullshit on the other side of this controversy:

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Thank you for understanding what I was saying. 

I was saying this boy’s abuse is born out of and a continuation of the “sexual revolution” and, more specifically, its child the “homosexual rights” movement.  This child’s abuse is achieving all of the political and social aims of those movement and will be defended along the same lines as those other movements.

Seems like even when authoritarian trad douches complain about things worth complaining about, they just can't resist getting cracks in at their favorite punching bags.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 03, 2019, 02:27:54 am
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1091626451848384512

Erick Erickson movin those goalposts.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 03, 2019, 02:42:03 am
Yet another Alt-Right meme is going on.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/42783/heres-where-learn-code-meme-originated-hint-not-ashe-schow

TL;DR Trolls are spamming "learn to code" at reporters who lost their jobs. Their justification for this is the (false) claim that reporters had previously mocked coal miners and told them to get jobs at coding.

Reality is that there were several stories about companies that were hiring jobless miners and training them in coding. That is to say, media was reporting on a feel-good story when a lot of people were losing their jobs. Now Alt-Right trolls are sending messages with the "lern2code" message mixed with slurs and insults or just malicious fake politeness. And then they are feigning surprise when people report on this being a hate campaign.

"Why is it good parenting to tell my kids to learn to code but suddenly hate speech if I tell a reporter to do the same!?!!?!?!?!?"

...A comment much like "I was just trying to be polite" after you followed a lone woman past 7 city blocks and constantly tried to talk to her even when she politely declined to talk the first time.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 03, 2019, 03:03:03 am
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gabs-racists-terrible-cooking_n_5c51aecbe4b0d9f9be6b5012

People on GAB are creating food monstrosities. Seriously look at the pics in this article these things are criminal.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 03, 2019, 05:34:40 am
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gabs-racists-terrible-cooking_n_5c51aecbe4b0d9f9be6b5012

People on GAB are creating food monstrosities. Seriously look at the pics in this article these things are criminal.
People who hate multiculturalism make shitty food???

Shocked pikachu face!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 03, 2019, 03:24:31 pm
I don't even just.....can't english.

Ironbite-*supernovas*
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on February 04, 2019, 12:02:01 am
(https://i.imgur.com/bmjwdUK.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on February 04, 2019, 03:35:22 am
I am going to guess this is  someone taking the piss.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 04, 2019, 07:36:57 am
Here we see a guy close, so very close to understanding something.
(https://i.redd.it/diwl6jovree21.jpg)


Note the whole "lOlWhat?! Is SeNdInG FlOWerS NoW bAd?" bullshit that disappears completely when he is the victim. If there's something that I hate right now it is the defense of "Is it now illegal/bad to do X?" when it is being used in such a dishonest way. Sure, it is still legal to walk on the streets but following someone and repeatedly trying to engage them in a discussion is still a creepy thing and you the only reason why you even make that fake-sincere question is that you can't defend the actual thing that happened and had to reframe it. Just like it is still legal to masturbate but whipping your cock out and masturbating in front of the hotel cleaner who just walked in (which is apparently something that happens way too often in that profession) is pretty damn creepy and chances are that she did not consent to that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on February 08, 2019, 09:47:49 pm
(https://i.redd.it/8pzoc4ixta821.jpg)

Not all Holocaust deniers are Nazis, true, but all of them are anti-Semites.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on February 19, 2019, 05:16:26 pm
(https://i.redd.it/x7glbtxj47h21.jpg)

Asshole uses a historical atrocity (whose perpetrators were largely gentiles, AFAIK) as an excuse to attack all Jews: take a shot.

Ironically, Richard Spencer is a Holodomor denier (https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/860723044909801473). As if there weren't enough reasons to hate him already.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 22, 2019, 02:41:47 am
No you see everything I don't like is Jews.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 22, 2019, 03:14:26 am
"You see? I stubbed my toe this morning. A Jew put that there, so I stubbed my toe. I missed the bus...because a Jew cut in front of me! I know it! My wife divorced me...AND MARRIED A JEW!"
"I'm Jewish."
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (anti-semite leaps out of first floor window. fails to kill himself - instead he has just faceplanted into a neighbor's petunias.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 22, 2019, 03:32:38 am
And both the neighbor AND the petunias were Jewish.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 22, 2019, 04:12:39 am
(muffled) "SOMEHOW THESE FLOWERS ARE JEWISH!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on February 22, 2019, 08:28:19 am
And both the neighbor AND the petunias were Jewish.

Those were Marigolds.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 28, 2019, 03:53:31 am
"The Jewish people has always been plagued by Bad Jews, who undermine it from within. In America, those Bad Jews largely vote Democrat."
- Ben Shapiro
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/133918830073352192
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 03, 2019, 09:58:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/96Lfwtz.jpg)

That's "daemon". Get the spelling right and use it consistently.

Of course, this meme was probably made by some dumbass who couldn't pick Horus out of a lineup.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 04, 2019, 01:20:44 am
Probably made by a Jordan Peterson fan.

Those guys basically define themselves by an obsessive hatred of chaos, so it would not surprise me at all if I heard they literally thought anyone more "chaotic" than them literally worship the Chaos Gods. Though really, in comparison to the right wing and its idiocy, the case for the Chaos Gods makes itself.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 04, 2019, 09:18:23 am
Finally, someone else that's insistent that daemon ought to be spelled properly.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 08, 2019, 05:43:01 pm
Quote
Kruschev's de-Stalinization is the most harmful shit to do. Fuck, I hate him for that.

Luckily China didn't do that kind of shit to Mao, so Chinese still have positive view on Mao and everyone claiming to be "true follower of Mao". That alone kinda keep communist ideology alive in current neo-liberal oriented world.

Lots of commies will insist that Stalin and Mao weren't "real communists", but r/communism takes a different approach and tries to whitewash them.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 19, 2019, 10:32:43 am
(https://i.redd.it/d6tlmhoe2zj21.jpg)

Here are four reasons why this is bullshit.

1. Not everyone killed by the Nazis had their bodies burned. Up to 40% of the Jews murdered by the Nazi government were killed in mass shootings and buried. There were multiple mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of people shot and buried by members of the Einsatzgruppen.

2. Of the corpses that were burned, not all of them were burned in ovens. Eventually, as the tides of war turned and the pace of the murders was ramped up, they threw bodies into flaming pits and used human fat from the dead as an accelerant.

3. Stacking bodies into ovens and turning them up to full blast doesn't require the same care or patience as baking bread, especially not when your objective is to cremate them quickly. Bodies were thrown onto remnants of bones and remains were burned again and again until (roughly once a week, at least at first) the ashes were removed and tossed into a river. So this whole comparison was asinine to begin with.

4. The ovens used in the death camps weren't standard crematoria. They were more similar to garbage incinerators. These ovens could incinerate up to 120 bodies over a period of 24 hours. They used coke, natural gas or fuel oil to fire these furnaces, and they recycled the waste heat from the hot exhaust gasses back into the system. After the cycle ran for a good few hours, the burning tissue and body fat delivered enough energy to keep the fire running as long as you fed new bodies into it without having to supply additional fossil fuels.

So yeah, Holocaust denial is bullshit and anyone who seriously entertains the notion that the most well-documented genocide in history was an elaborate hoax is either in desperate need of an education or a rabid anti-Semite.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 19, 2019, 05:10:57 pm
The funny thing about holocaust deniers is that if you push them hard enough, they'll admit that if it happened they wouldn't think it was a bad thing.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 20, 2019, 12:36:37 am
Why do they feel the need to cast doubt on this genocide if they think its a good thing? Nazis never ever make logical sense. Same reason they think they're superior and might makes right and all that, yet they lost the war.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 20, 2019, 02:54:42 am
Some are specifically trying to downplay the things that Nazis did to make them look more appealing to the people they are trying to recruit to Nazism and they don't actually believe that the Holocaust was a hoax, it's just something they lie about.

Some are weird conspiracy theorists and actually believe that the Holocaust was a hoax.

These two types of people often willingly work together and it is hard to tell them apart but I believe they are distinct groups. The former are Nazis that can just fuck off and the latter may need their head checked but not all of them are Nazis.

That said even some of the conspiracy theorists that believe in the "holohoax" theory are antisemites and would not have opposed Holocaust so it gets complicated.

Point being the "it didn't happen but if it had it would have been AWESOME" is not contradictory because for some it is just that they lie about their beliefs and are Nazis and some hate Jews but also think that the Jews made up the Holocaust and they don't change their belief in Holocaust not being real just because they like the idea.

Kinda like how I would like the moon to be made of Cheese because that would have some interesting implications but I won't start believing it because there's no scientifically verified evidence to support such a claim.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 21, 2019, 07:33:50 pm
Muslim extremists also like to say the Holocaust was a hoax. Hamas, for example.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on March 22, 2019, 01:15:14 am
What does that have to do with the discussion here?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on March 22, 2019, 01:41:30 am
I think it's just a standard Lanagon talking point.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 22, 2019, 02:32:29 am
Pretty much standard shitwaffle centrist point.

"WUH WELL, THERE ARE BAD MUSLIMS TOO! BOTH SIDES! BOTH SIDES!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 27, 2019, 12:07:43 am
*theatrical sigh*

How is it not relevant? I figured as long as we were talking about Holocaust deniers, I might as well bring up another group as a conversation starter. Maybe I could've made that more clear, but that doesn't mean you gotta jump to conclusions.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 27, 2019, 02:50:50 am
You have a long history of trying to portray a both sides narrative. You always try and say "Well they COULD have a good point!" or "well both sides can and are guilty of this".

So you're not coming from a position where people might be willing to look at it that way.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 27, 2019, 10:11:44 am
So... I found a very special individual on Tumblr:

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/c73826cdce0f4177efc18b2091c93dc3/tumblr_pjyupkJpBl1vre61b_500.jpg)

Let's see: TERF, tells people to read Dworkin, has a picture of Valerie Solanas as her background, self-proclaimed Stalinist. All this would be bad enough on its own, but the cherry on top of the shit sundae has to be this:

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/49549dc6ea6a0813bbfc4a31c482a484/tumblr_piiaqlub4g1v126jf_500.jpg)

She's an open genocide denier. Somebody should tell her Richard Spencer also denies the Holodomor, it might make her head explode.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 29, 2019, 02:59:24 am
Stefan Molyneux has discovered the cause of ADHD: Immigrants and Single Moms!

Quote
“ADHD” grew in proportion to mass immigration.

Hyper-creative white boys got crazy bored with dumbed-down value-less “education.”
Quote
ADHD symptoms tend to disappear when the boy is in the company of his father.

It’s unnatural for women to raise boys alone
Quote
ADHD: Absent Dad Hyperactivity Disorder

Also Down Syndrome is caused by Bronies and The Dutch

Schizophrenia is caused by Yazidis and cubs fans

Affective disorders are caused by Chefs and people with unibrows.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 29, 2019, 03:28:42 am
I knew cubs fans were up to no good. They probably got mad they were cursed to lose all the time and devised this as retaliation!!!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 29, 2019, 05:43:28 pm
Funny, my ADHD was worst at home and my dad was always there because he picked me up from school.  Then again, you can't blame me for being distracted from bullshit homework when the alternative was playing games or reading.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 30, 2019, 09:45:46 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/EmzUjAL.jpg)

Arnold, do you mind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-pW0uX1wTs

Thank you. Now, with that out of the way, let's talk about why this is bullshit.

Anti-vaxxers love trying to connect two things with no evidence at all. Dr. Cunningham was a epidemiologist, not an MD, and the site that made this claim has a well-deserved reputation for BS. They were blatantly lying about this, too; they said Cunningham told them some of the people he gave the flu shot to had died, which is odd because, again, he wasn't a medical doctor.

And wouldn't you know it? There were no signs of foul play in his death (https://fox2now.com/2018/04/05/no-signs-of-foul-play-in-death-of-cdc-scientist/). If anything, he'd be insulted by a website using his name to spread pseudoscience after he's no longer around to contradict them.

Sources:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-doctor-flu-shot-dead/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-doctor-flu-shot-dead/)

https://thepoxesblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/no-dr-timothy-cunningham-did-not-say-that-the-flu-vaccine-caused-this-years-epidemic-and-other-anti-vaccine-lies/ (https://thepoxesblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/no-dr-timothy-cunningham-did-not-say-that-the-flu-vaccine-caused-this-years-epidemic-and-other-anti-vaccine-lies/)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/theory-flu-shot-dangerous-growing-doctors-say-thats-outrageous-214024583.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LnVtYmxyLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ1L8FJ2kBR5tjPcO8Qyc9zunKdyv80ClUtFmLCWTdaivDjXO2sVmg5a7-xhXPMU3eIZjf8Q105aWC8VqjQjUcxksd0dF6BOKxQaDJUC3qGbeVcvPnCRFuqzD_eZOkSR6_R-_z85k2BAhCiaciosjvz1ce1SbUOf7ANZyIw0HrM4 (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/theory-flu-shot-dangerous-growing-doctors-say-thats-outrageous-214024583.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LnVtYmxyLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ1L8FJ2kBR5tjPcO8Qyc9zunKdyv80ClUtFmLCWTdaivDjXO2sVmg5a7-xhXPMU3eIZjf8Q105aWC8VqjQjUcxksd0dF6BOKxQaDJUC3qGbeVcvPnCRFuqzD_eZOkSR6_R-_z85k2BAhCiaciosjvz1ce1SbUOf7ANZyIw0HrM4)

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/224510/20180405/missing-cdc-scientists-body-found-in-a-river-in-atlanta.htm (https://www.techtimes.com/articles/224510/20180405/missing-cdc-scientists-body-found-in-a-river-in-atlanta.htm)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 03, 2019, 04:30:29 am
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/hate-hoax-san-fran-police-search-for-sword-wielding-trump-supporter-who-cut-victim-red-maga-hat-perfectly-placed-at-crime-scene/

Gateway Pundit is claiming an attack involving a maga-hat wearing sword-wielder is a "hoax"

Here's a twitter thread from someone who was actually in the area and saw the dude before the attack happened that clears up the sequence of events:
 https://twitter.com/anti0gamer/status/1111884082269442048
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 06, 2019, 03:16:26 pm
On a clip for The Handmaid's Tale tv show I'm seeing some weird people defending Gilead and saying June doesn't have things that bad, all she has to do get fuck once a month. 
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on April 06, 2019, 03:48:58 pm
On a clip for The Handmaid's Tale tv show I'm seeing some weird people defending Gilead and saying June doesn't have things that bad, all she has to do get fuck once a month.

...Much as I'd like to think they're just trolls, I know at least some people would actually believe that. Just like people who think the Galactic Empire were the good guys and Griffith did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 06, 2019, 10:33:38 pm
HashtagGruntildaDidNothingWrong.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 15, 2019, 03:42:32 am
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/04/13/the-daily-stormer-asks-are-the-jews-secretly-trying-to-absorb-the-dna-of-cnns-brian-stelter/

well this happened I guess. nazis are weird.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 15, 2019, 05:57:53 am
I had to stop reading at some point...

I mean, if these white supremacists really believe in breeding a "master race" and fear the "dilution of blood" and whatever then from that point of view this argument starts to make sense. They are just using the same pseudoscience and claiming that it is the Jewish people who are trying to do eugenics.

...Except that if they are claiming that there's some sort of ancient Jewish cabal AND that they are doing eugenics then doesn't that lead to the conclusion that they would have been doing it for ages already and that Jews would BE the master race that these wannabe-Nazis want to believe to be?

It's the whole "the enemy of Fascism must be incredibly powerful and incredibly weak at the same time" paradox all over again. Are the Jews masterful manipulators who rule the world and have bred themselves to be superiour in all ways or are they "subhumans" that deserve to be destroyed? Because to me it sounds like the Nazi boogeymen are better than the Nazis in all ways that Nazis want to excel...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on April 15, 2019, 07:23:32 pm
I had to stop reading at some point...

I mean, if these white supremacists really believe in breeding a "master race" and fear the "dilution of blood" and whatever then from that point of view this argument starts to make sense. They are just using the same pseudoscience and claiming that it is the Jewish people who are trying to do eugenics.

...Except that if they are claiming that there's some sort of ancient Jewish cabal AND that they are doing eugenics then doesn't that lead to the conclusion that they would have been doing it for ages already and that Jews would BE the master race that these wannabe-Nazis want to believe to be?

It's the whole "the enemy of Fascism must be incredibly powerful and incredibly weak at the same time" paradox all over again. Are the Jews masterful manipulators who rule the world and have bred themselves to be superiour in all ways or are they "subhumans" that deserve to be destroyed? Because to me it sounds like the Nazi boogeymen are better than the Nazis in all ways that Nazis want to excel...

I used to troll white supremacists using pretty much this exact same argument. You would not believe how angry they got when they read "I, for one, welcome our new Jewish overlords."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 16, 2019, 12:23:54 am
RaHoWa, the unfinished white supremacist RPG also fell for that flaw. As Umberto Eco once said, Fascism needs the enemy to be both strong and weak at the same time, but in an RPG with stats this meant that the Aryan race was actually the weakest playable race and all those "inferiour" races were better in every way.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 16, 2019, 12:41:40 am
Surely that's an easy fix, you make aryan's  completely balanced like Humans in D&D and then you make the Asians more industrious or faster but smaller and weaker, blacks bigger but less intelligent, and jews weaker and slower but more intelligent. I mean collectively they are going to be better than the aryan for whatever their specialised class I guess. More evidence racism is stupid.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 16, 2019, 01:39:27 am
The issue here is that being racist does not automatically make you a good game designer and since the recruiting process for the game designers started with "well, we can only get Neo-Nazis and KKK members to do this" they had a small pool of people interested in making the game and didn't luck out and find anyone competent or industrous.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on April 16, 2019, 10:16:13 am
They also unintentionally made the "white warriors" into Darwin Award-level idiots. Jews have the ability to bribe them into missing a turn. Now, who in their right mind would stop in the middle of combat to accept a bribe from their opponent? Especially when they could just kill the briber and take the money? And since they don't actually get any money after being bribed that way, I gotta assume they skipped their turn on just the promise of cash. If all white people are that fucking stupid, no wonder they're endangered.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2019, 12:06:22 pm
Funny thing is, we had someone here (a former regular, if memory serves) all but flat-out state that D&D is racist because something-something racial abilities and penalties.  Never mind that most of those bonuses and penalties are rendered mostly meaningless once you advance far enough.  If anything, humans come out slightly ahead because feats and skill points are better long-term investments.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 16, 2019, 01:04:48 pm
Who went off on that tangent?

Ironbite-I can't remember 'em.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2019, 02:22:08 pm
I ain't gonna name names.  Mostly because I can't remember them, lol.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 16, 2019, 02:31:27 pm
Smurfette, I believe. She spouted more than her fair share of bullshit back then.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 16, 2019, 02:53:06 pm
I have seen the argument that Half-Orcs are a metaphor for African-Americans (on a different site) and that their depiction is racist in DnD. And of course there's several occasions where fantastic races have been used to explore real issues with racism (systemic or not) as a way to distance the issue from real world and thus making it easier for people to be objective. Like in the recent film Bright for example.

...But I doubt that DnD was trying to do that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 16, 2019, 06:39:59 pm
Wasn't the suggestion not that D&D was racist but Tolkien's depiction of Orcs was a poorly cloaked metaphor for black people and that it was racist. D &D being racist only by more or less adapting Tolkein's fantastic universe?

I miss smurfette, she could be a bit full on but her heart was in the right place.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 16, 2019, 07:29:55 pm
As I recall, it was that D&D racial bonuses specifically are racist. Apparently elves receiving +1 willpower is some sort of IRL injustice.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 17, 2019, 05:05:38 am
I've only seen the claim that negative modifier to the intelligence of a fictional species is racism because that fictional species is an allegory for Africans.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 17, 2019, 10:43:15 am
Which, ironically, points to the accuser's own racism in assuming that a species having an intelligence penalty must mean they're a reskin of black people.  I mean, its not like there are any dumb white people, Asians, Mexicans, or Indians.  Nope, if anyone's dumb in fiction, its always going to be a black person or a stand-in for black people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on April 18, 2019, 01:21:44 pm
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7cf968fca384037517c7e3415d5ea44fa272eba83cc8fc12a65ff89d661aa17.jpg)

Even if this is true - which I doubt - that doesn't necessarily reflect on the entire LGBT rights movement (or indeed, anybody other than him).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 18, 2019, 07:59:40 pm
Apparently the only source for that is an email he allegedly sent to an anti-gay-rights organisation. Or, rather, said organisation claiming so.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on April 19, 2019, 12:51:16 am
Now they sound like a reliable source with no reason to try to tarnish a good man's reputation...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 19, 2019, 01:17:40 am
That's rather hypocritical since the leader of that organization sent me an e-mail where he says "Every day I go to the aquarium and fuck the squid's brains out  HAIL SATAN!"  True story.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 19, 2019, 05:47:07 am
Nope nothing to see here. I mean lying is against Christianity, so these good moral citizens wouldn't just like... lie about this or anything.

Nope, no sir.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on April 23, 2019, 03:19:52 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/fUmEEWt.jpg)

"You humans blacks are all racist!" Sometimes I wish self-awareness transfusions were possible.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 04, 2019, 05:21:12 am
Libertarians: Personal freedom is our highest priority.

Also Libertarians:

(https://preview.redd.it/mpr3ifvgy3w21.png?width=540&auto=webp&s=70a52bd6571a6433f72e6fac0b9381a50609be9d)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on May 04, 2019, 02:16:19 pm
Ah, lolbertarians. I'd almost forgotten about them. Almost.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 04, 2019, 07:29:05 pm
Apparently, the concept of employees is cutting edge for these people.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 05, 2019, 01:41:40 am
Also libertarians.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/5aTkZu2CbZ7gMu4L43QlbTC9kS9CX0RtRofgp1uE3XA.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=915950f867ef61f21106bd085b4d0946c3540a58)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on May 05, 2019, 02:21:00 am
Also libertarians.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/5aTkZu2CbZ7gMu4L43QlbTC9kS9CX0RtRofgp1uE3XA.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=915950f867ef61f21106bd085b4d0946c3540a58)

Oh good, this shit. "Businesses can discriminate, as long as it's not against us!"

Now, being entirely honest, I can kinda sorta see where they're coming from, since it's not a 1-1 comparison. The gay couple in the case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission) was able to get a cake at another bakery, but on the other hand, there's no video site with the same reach and ubiquitousness as YouTube.

Of course, even with that being said, this is still hypocritical of them. I've heard some defenses of the baker's discrimination, but looking into the facts of the case, I don't think they hold any water. You don't wanna bake a gay wedding cake because of your religion? Tough shit. Religious freedom shouldn't include freedom to discriminate based on immutable characteristics. The rights of creative artists? It's not like they were asking you to include an anti-Christian slogan. Even them finding another bakery isn't a valid defense, since it doesn't mean the original discrimination was OK.

Sorry if I was too ranty, I just needed to get this off my chest.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 08, 2019, 07:58:30 am
Oh ffs.

(https://i.imgur.com/ljbS2AJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 08, 2019, 09:33:51 am
I guess we all need a hobby.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 27, 2019, 08:15:38 am
Classic.
(https://i.imgur.com/567hRw8.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Wurdulac on May 27, 2019, 08:40:08 am
Classic.
(https://i.imgur.com/567hRw8.jpg)

Is that dramatic irony or garden-variety irony?

(Basically, sincere or sarcastic?)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on May 27, 2019, 09:25:48 am
I would guess that it's a joke, but it's hard to be certain these days.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on May 29, 2019, 05:22:44 pm
(https://i.redd.it/cr1wcz5nysw21.png)

Really? You're the one calling other people "disgusting", you anti-Semite POS?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 29, 2019, 08:44:25 pm
(https://i.redd.it/cr1wcz5nysw21.png)

Really? You're the one calling other people "disgusting", you anti-Semite POS?
Yeah, pretty much anyone (https://rationalwiki.org/w/images/6/67/Antisemitic_slur_sarkeesian.png) who uses the "le happy merchant" meme is a shithead.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on May 31, 2019, 05:08:11 pm
(https://i.redd.it/4feyzcjorc031.jpg)

A guy who thinks Hitler did nothing wrong using "neo-fascist" as a pejorative.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/S36Cy5CwIvI/AAAAAAAAA-k/uTrjBIKcJgQ/s1600/IronyMeterSplode.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on May 31, 2019, 08:10:58 pm
Yes, but you see, Hitler was a fascist, the good kind of fascist who hated Jews, and not the bad kind of fascist, the neo-fascist, who secretly loves Jews because the Jews fund them.

<barf>
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 01, 2019, 12:48:54 am
There was a point where Russia would publicly support the rebels at East-Ukraine and condemn the Ukrainian government for having Neo-Nazis. They'd also say that Russia was not involved in the war. At the same time the rebels would publicly state that they have battalions of Russian military on their side and that they are fighting against the Jews that control the Kiev government.

Also note that in Russian propaganda and double-think "Fascist" is bad because WW2 was fought against Fascists but "Nazi" is a patriot because Neo-Nazi groups are often ultra-nationalists and Russian government is financing Neo-Nazis all over the Europe. They'll condemn foreign governments as Fascists in the same sentence where they congratulate National Socialists.

Granted that Russia has also given money to Leftists group all over Europe when they were simply trying to sow dissent everywhere but the only groups that welcomed the help are Neo-Nazis.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 06, 2019, 11:16:20 am
Quote
Numbers of jews gassed by national socialists since the alleged holocaust: 0. Zero.

Numbers of penises mutilated by jews since national socialist Germany: millions
Numbers of animals slaughtered with inhumane kosher slaughter practices since NatSoc Germany: probably billions.
Boycotts against domestic gentile trade with the kosher label and prerequisite for jewish patronage: countless.
Instances of masquerading as whites of European descent by ashkenazim for the purpose of race baiting and other sabotage: countless.
Resources drained from gentile nations and people, including the alleged saviors of the jews, the Americans: many, many billions worth.
Numbers of chickens waved around in the ritual of kapparot that transfers sins from the jew onto the chicken: probably billions.
Numbers of oaths and promises voided which whites take seriously and at face value via the ritual of kol nidre: countless since it happens every year at yom kippur.
Amount of antiwhite propaganda produced and aimed at even their alleged saviors: countless.
Amount of atrocities committed against gentiles: countless.
Amount of usurious FIAT currency created, peddled and cultivated by jews: a figure that doesn't fit inside this comment due to the sheer number of zeroes.
Amount of meddling in foreign affairs despite usually being only 1-5% of the population: nigh infinite
Amount of marxism, bolshevism, globalism etc: infinite
Amount of kvetching in general: infinite.

And many, many, many other things that happened after the alleged holocaust, including the lie itself and all the atrocities against whites derived from that.

Now to the important tally:
Number of worries about jews voiced by gentiles based on actual things happening like genital mutilation et cetera legitimized by jews and golems: 0
Number of worries about nazis actively hunting, killing, persecuting, gassing jews despite none of that happenin legitimized by jews and golems: as many as there are claims made.

tl; dr:
jewish fear of persecution, which they deserve due to their heinous acts and despicable nature but is, sadly, not happening is routinely legitimized.
Gentile fear of the degrading, parasitical, atrocious effect of the jewish race in the light of their many, many actions which they commit daily is stamped away as irrational.

Chutzpah is a mental illness, though, and whitey has long grown tired of this stupid game.

The asshole who posted this had the username "Antisemitism Isavirtue", BTW.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: KingOfRhye on June 07, 2019, 03:21:16 pm
Wait......"golems"???  Huh?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 07, 2019, 05:53:15 pm
Wait......"golems"???  Huh?

Based on the context, it seems like they're using it to refer to "Jewish lackeys", but that's just an educated guess.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Radiation on June 11, 2019, 04:56:54 pm
Classic.
(https://i.imgur.com/567hRw8.jpg)

Like these alt-righties don't do the same thing? You ain't golden boy! Seriously, I have been spending months on Youtube which includes reading comments and I swear I see the right being more hateful, obnoxious, immature, etc than the left has evern been. They all seem to be stuck mentally at the age of 12.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 11, 2019, 04:59:43 pm
Then you get the alt-righters who talk like crack babies, using unwords like fren.

And on 4chan they talk like racist 8 year olds. Seriously guys. Poopoo skins?

But then I'm an illogical, emotional leftist, and I guess I'm not supposed to understand the wisdom of screeching like that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 11, 2019, 10:09:42 pm
the people who respond to anything they dont like with the same string of buzzwords are the people who think its epic win to call other people NPCs.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 12, 2019, 12:07:07 am
"NPCs" aren't confined to any segment of the political spectrum.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 12, 2019, 01:29:27 am
The NPC concept was made up by right-wingers in USA and they are the ones who were spamming it on repeat until they got bored and picked up the next meme from the list given to them.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on June 12, 2019, 01:55:02 am
There are leftists who occasionally use the meme. The difference is they tend to use it to mock the original use since the alt-right folks themselves use a dialogue tree triggered by keywords.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 12, 2019, 04:40:20 am
Alt-right and fundie in a blender.
(https://i.redd.it/duak1rdsws331.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 12, 2019, 11:32:56 am
The NPC concept was made up by right-wingers in USA and they are the ones who were spamming it on repeat until they got bored and picked up the next meme from the list given to them.

I know that. What I mean is that acting like an NPC isn't something only done by people of one political persuasion, at least in my experience. So I use "NPC" to make fun of anyone who acts like a preprogrammed video game character.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: fluffyDbringer on June 14, 2019, 02:39:14 am
no, see, I use the right-wing meme when I could say what I'm saying in literally any other way, but I don't align with the right in any way, no sir
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 14, 2019, 04:15:04 am
no, see, I use the right-wing meme when I could say what I'm saying in literally any other way, but I don't align with the right in any way, no sir

Are you and your fluffy Dick trying to get a rise out of me?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on June 14, 2019, 10:41:52 am
Better get to Suggestion and ask mods to clarify the rules.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 16, 2019, 03:27:44 am
the alt-right actually are the real NPCs if you think about it though.

It's just projection, like pedophile thing, and the "white genocide" thing. All of it.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 17, 2019, 12:57:43 pm
the alt-right actually are the real NPCs if you think about it though.

It's just projection, like pedophile thing, and the "white genocide" thing. All of it.

Think that goes without saying, really. White supremacists have always projected.

"Black men wanna rape white women!" said a douchebag who forced one of his female slaves to sleep with him.

"Jews want to destroy the Aryan race!" said an asshole plotting genocide against the Jews.

"This immigration wave is a Muslim invasion!" says a bastard who unironically talks about conquering the Middle East.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 17, 2019, 09:28:19 pm
Same thing with the "clown world" shit.

They're the clowns.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 17, 2019, 09:35:55 pm
Considering the alt-right is all about clowns it does make sense they go on about clown world.

Their president is a laughingstock who is barely coherent.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 17, 2019, 10:13:58 pm
Wouldn't mind seeing a few of those assholes have a run-in with this clown:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4051/4703531875_3b13568ed7_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 19, 2019, 05:29:25 pm
A couple incredibly homophobic comments I found:

Quote
Red for their prolapsed anuses ("rosebuds").
Orange for their weeping HIV sores.
Yellow for the piss they drink.
Green for the infected pus they ooze.
Blue for their unceasing depression.
Purple for their corpses after they hang themselves.

That's the pride flag.

Meanwhile, a rainbow is a brilliant display of light that shows beauty and radiance.
Just in case people think that homosexuals actually have a rainbow for their flag. They don't. They merely have some colored stripes in according to their deficiencies.

Quote
It's quite logical, too.
The human sex drive is incredibly strong, that's why celibacy and asceticism is such a thing one has to keep quite a bit of effort into.
Now, you have a homosexual man, and he's tired of being celibate, or jerking it and he really wants to get off.
Women? Not doing it for him.
Girls? Not doing it for him.

Grown men? Homosexuals are actually quite rare, and most straight men see through the mist and recognize the grim reaper smiling from that direction, eliciting disgust.

In other words, he might get into a fight if he macks up a grown straight man.
Old men? Some homos are into that, but even then, rarely into the really feeble and harmless geezers.

Now, the urge to get off is incredibly strong, and, again, the homosexual is thorougly sick of celibacy and jerking it.
Which target remains? Which target is most vulnerable, most promising to get him off without repercussions.
Boys. They are dependents, they can be blackmailed easily, they can't really fight back. It's a lot easier to excert power and authority over a young boy than a grown man, even if one is effete and weak.

The past of least resistance to satisfy ones deviant urges: Young Boys.
They're male, often have a little bit of rounded features, weak, impressable.

An unfortunately alluring target for the ill.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 21, 2019, 10:59:18 pm
The way that second one thinks about sex gives me strong "pedophile, but projecting about it" vibes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 22, 2019, 02:40:48 pm
(https://external-preview.redd.it/vNQkCOtDPH9ZxTn5ot8HVPhbMsYNxLJgPQT8UDc_OD4.png?width=786&auto=webp&s=531aba506e872a4dd52bc338f472eccc2ab72176)

Nothing that I could add would make it funnier and there's no clearer example of hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 25, 2019, 02:06:45 pm
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9b38ab559deb3c432d235063056077f2/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 26, 2019, 01:57:28 am
Direct Question for all women/non binary with biologically female genitals here: Did the Devil Answer when you rang THE DEVIL'S DOORBELL?

(https://preview.redd.it/z2dcji7zmk631.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9b0b6d62d7b800b2a202adb9c498b2f88abcf8d4)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 26, 2019, 02:05:47 am
Direct question to the devil: How annoying is it when random women keep ding-dong-diddly-ditching you every single day and night? Is it that you no longer respond to any summons after thousands of years of women accidentally ringing your doorbell?

(Also, using this "devil's doorbell" idea in any erotic-horror story would fail for this exact reason. Anyone trying to summon the devil on purpose will have their call be lost in the background noise.)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on June 26, 2019, 02:11:36 am
I always assume anyone who says the 'devil's doorbell' is a poe as the phrase was made famous by Fappy the Anti-Masturbation Dolphin
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 26, 2019, 03:48:09 am
I had one preacher around the college refer to touching myself as "handling your sin whistle."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 27, 2019, 09:36:47 pm
(https://i.redd.it/c70cto22gs631.jpg)

Why don't you have a seat over there?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 28, 2019, 10:12:49 am
You should be jailed for making an MKV.  Use a real video format like AVI.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on June 28, 2019, 11:09:48 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/cxBki3f.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 29, 2019, 07:11:14 am
(https://i.redd.it/m01evl95l7731.jpg)

When your club house gets quarantined because you were Nazis (Nazis that pretend to be clowns and use code language) it seems kinda blatant for you to keep on using the same code language and advertising a new club house in the quarantine warning message...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on June 29, 2019, 03:25:20 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/cxBki3f.jpg)

He's not wrong however.

Ironbite-cause that's what Projared did and well...look at what happened to him.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 29, 2019, 07:48:39 pm

He's not wrong however.

Ironbite-cause that's what Projared did and well...look at what happened to him.

that's kind of a terrible argument?

Your clothes or snapchat filters or whatever the fuck are mostly incidental to your personality. One person can be awful and embrace a particular aesthetic without that meaning anything in particular about anyone else
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 29, 2019, 08:55:42 pm
I like metal music, have an interest in European history (among other places, of course) and watch anime/play anime video games.  To a significant number of people, that's enough to peg me as "probably a Nazi, or at least alt-right". Is that also a valid thing to assume?

Because that's basically the same thing the person in the quote is doing here.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Chaos Undivided on July 01, 2019, 02:46:04 pm
(https://i.redd.it/njv2cc7dg5311.jpg)

Maybe we should ask the guy who made this how we can be sure he isn't "controlled opposition".

On a side note, I wonder why Alex Jones and Sean Hannity don't have the mark of the bitch on their foreheads. And I'm honestly surprised he used the word "bitch" instead of "cuck".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 06, 2019, 03:56:37 am
I'm surprised they don't like McInnes considering he once posted this video about how he started questioning how real the holocaust was after going on what he described as a "brainwashing trip" to some kind of Holocaust museum in Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ79gyvaxWs
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on July 15, 2019, 01:34:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEDsO12Ccv9ES1Qlnwu_Gi72udJyhVXyZ

Gamers are horrible and every single boy should be forced to watch videos like this with their mother and/or grandmother because I'm not sure what else can make them understand that creepiness like this is unacceptable if they haven't already figured it out on their own.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on July 15, 2019, 02:35:08 am
I occasionally have to listen to my son and his mates play games but if I heard him talking like this I would pull out the playstation. All their voices are so fucking annoying, I wouldn't use the mic anyway.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on July 19, 2019, 08:17:57 am
In order to decrease unemployment, the previous right-wing government of Finland introduced a policy that cuts your unemployment benefits every eight weeks if you don't work part-time or participate in a training program for the unemployed*. Unsurprisingly, the decrease in unemployment during the existence of this policy can't be separated from the trend in global economy. Since the only proven effect of the policy is many unemployed having their benefits cut the current center-left government is planning to scrap the model. The proponents of the policy aren't taking this without fight.

(https://i.imgur.com/omjhabo.jpg)

"You can easily avoid the cut - by getting a job."

Juhana Vartiainen is one of the most most visible economists in the Finnish media. Yes. An economist. Someone whose opinion influences public opinion and government policies. His solution to unemployment is more individual effort by the unemployed and hitting them with a figurative stick to motivate them.

*This training is provided by private contractors and paid from public funds with many programs being notoriously useless and demaning for anyone already possessing basic job hunting skills. In rural areas there aren't enough of these providers to serve all the applicants so many unemployed don't even have the means to fulfill the demands of the policy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: fluffyDbringer on July 19, 2019, 11:05:24 pm
yeah as someone who's been trying to get a job for a month now and applying several times a week, who can't really afford a paid hygiene/fire safety pass course to broaden his options since those are like a quarter of his current monthly income, and who's gonna feel the aktiivimalli next month no matter what since all those training programs he applied for don't start until next month: haistappa kokeeks vittu, juhana kusiainen

lemme just wear my job helmet and fire myself out of the job cannon into job land where jobs grow on trees, since that's apparently how that works
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 19, 2019, 11:13:33 pm
The good old "blame the poor for capitalism's mistakes", meanwhile CEOs get bonuses every time they do layoffs.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 30, 2019, 12:47:03 am
The latest thing that is destroying white people: FRUIT!

(https://i.redd.it/2em77rgdkzc31.jpg)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 30, 2019, 01:05:39 am
Well he obviously can't be racist, he gives the same advice to non-whites!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 30, 2019, 04:17:18 am
wash your fucking fruit if you want to get rid of bad stuff you incelibate mongrel its not that hard.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on July 30, 2019, 04:29:14 am
Do not blame us when you get so severely constipated that you can't function, incel garbage fire, eat your damned fruits.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 30, 2019, 05:00:40 am
Among the other things wrong with this, there are fruits that have been grown and eaten in Europe for thousands of years like grapes, pears and apples.  Even if Europeans weren't able to digest tomatoes or Bananas which only arrived in the continent recently (and they obviously can) they could eat these fruits easily.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: fluffyDbringer on July 30, 2019, 10:10:04 am
would slap if racists were only allowed to eat durian
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 30, 2019, 01:39:29 pm
Grapes didn't exist in France I guess. Nor olives in Italy and Greece. Or, hell, tomatoes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 30, 2019, 04:35:02 pm
*faceclaws*

Ironbite-how in the fuck do these people function?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on July 30, 2019, 05:03:29 pm
Grapes didn't exist in France I guess. Nor olives in Italy and Greece. Or, hell, tomatoes.

Well they have only had tomatoes in Italy since the 16th century as they are native to south america, the same with potatoes in Ireland and chillies in asia.

Grapes were introduced to France(Gaul) by the greeks and the romans in the first two centuries BC.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 30, 2019, 08:46:13 pm
Well they have only had tomatoes in Italy since the 16th century as they are native to south america, the same with potatoes in Ireland and chillies in asia.

Grapes were introduced to France(Gaul) by the greeks and the romans in the first two centuries BC.

Very fair in regards to tomatoes. I stand by my grapes and olives statement.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on July 30, 2019, 09:41:40 pm
I believe Lord Frieza speaks for me on this one;

How do you function?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on July 31, 2019, 12:01:52 am
Well they have only had tomatoes in Italy since the 16th century as they are native to south america, the same with potatoes in Ireland and chillies in asia.

Grapes were introduced to France(Gaul) by the greeks and the romans in the first two centuries BC.

Very fair in regards to tomatoes. I stand by my grapes and olives statement.

Well you're right because of the grapes, olives and a horde of other fruit from apples to pomegranates
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 21, 2019, 10:39:22 am
(https://i.imgur.com/6w1rryO.jpg)


Ahh yes, who could forget the open sexuality of Nazi Germany or how Germany collapsed completely on its own with no assistance from outside forces...

Weird how most history books skip those parts and instead mention stuff like Nazis sending LGBT people to concentration camps and Germany's downfall during the war they started.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 22, 2019, 09:02:50 pm
Proud boy caught on video openly admitting the Portland rally was never about free speech. (https://twitter.com/rarecandy17/status/1163827738584801281) Just fighting and wasting city resources.  (https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/proud-boys-rallies-portland_n_5d5e9882e4b0dfcbd4893ee5)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on September 05, 2019, 02:24:28 am
From the Semen Retention subreddit, the community of guys who think not masterbating will give you superpowers:

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Political class should be expended with and replaced with fanatical SR practicers
A huge reason western world is subverted is a certain class of people have blackmail on nearly everyone in political power and it probably extends to much of corporate business world and other shadier ventures. The Epstein revelations, what we found out, show this. A lot of politicos have perversions that are taken advantage of, videos are made, they are then threatened to toe the line of their handlers or their info is leaked and lives ruined.

If a politician renounced their old material world and pursued unwavering virtue without being paid or blackmailed for their appetites because they would be non existent, they would be unstoppable.

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It is a necessary step to unwavering virtue How can a degenerate alcohol drinking compulsive masturbator or sex feind be a good leader?

I am ready to pledge alleigance to a fanatical militaristic eco fascist autocracy with clear distinctions between lifestyle of ruling class vs masses if the masses refuse to change Last night i went for a walk with my mother and the local park was filled with refuse and alcohol cans discarded and fast food wrappers and visiting recreational sports team swearing crapping up the place Moral superirority is quite simple to achieve over these peoples

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I would like to see the genetic background of ppl saying i have no right to aspire for virtue on a wide scale, my guess is you are heavily mixed types but barring that, deeply indoctrinated to defend materialist consumer world. Freedom of choice to destroy yourself is not a freedom worth having imo. I cannot see anyone with noble thoughts or genetic lineage having such poor opinions on struggle for virtue and goodness. We should be exploring the stars, not letting plebs tie us down with muh freedom of choice. Freedom of choice has led us to allow young boys to chop their cocks off and take woman hormones. Get lost. The world is ours to be won.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 09, 2019, 08:07:11 pm
Milo Yiannopoulos, the troll who graduated from Gamergate to the Trump campaign has a sad  (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59n99q/milo-yiannopoulos-says-hes-broke?utm_source=reddit.com)because social media companies like Facebook and Twitter have blocked him and he's had to go to knockoff conservative outlets like Telegram.

(click to show/hide)

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Here he moans that these new right-wing social media sites are low quality, lack functionality and *gasps* are packed with bigots who say mean things.

(click to show/hide)

I'll drink to that Milo.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 10, 2019, 02:42:40 pm
Gee, I thought these conservative alternative websites were going to replace Facebook and Twitter and be way more successful and drive those pathetic liberal companies out of business. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on September 10, 2019, 03:09:01 pm
Surprise Milo, turns out exclusively catering to the fascists doesn't bring in the money.

And that websites like Gab are fundamentally radioactive and only decay. They don't grow.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on September 10, 2019, 04:57:32 pm
he's had to go to knockoff conservative outlets like Telegram.

lol telegrams not a conservative outlet. It's just a chat messenger like Skype, Teamspeak, or Discord. I use telegram to stay in touch with people, it's popular in the furry fandom. People like Milo or Christopher Cantwell the Crying Nazi have turned to it in desperation because GAB  bans people sometimes so its not frozen and peachy any more. That and its super hard to ban a telegram account because of how the app is set up.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 11, 2019, 01:00:09 am
Fair enough, apologies for the mischaracterization.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on September 11, 2019, 02:17:27 am
You know its always funny when Cantwell sticks his head up and thinks he can be intimidating now.

When what got him noticed was him being very much not intimidating at all.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on September 13, 2019, 04:07:24 am
(https://preview.redd.it/txoj3nxe16m31.jpg?width=640&height=628&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=627b6bc7ef656ffe3c0127f02e3b65cc2959a88f)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on September 16, 2019, 05:20:30 pm
Just wow... If anyone can figure out what the hell this guy is talking about feel free to let me know:

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But the charge of cuckery, leveled against Christians like French, has to do with the perceived untenableness today of staking out a middle position between the Benedict Option of evacuating from fronts collapsing in the culture war and the yet-to-be-named option of reasserting powerful constitutional authority for localities to resist and reject colonization by the revolutionary vanguard of institutionalized wokeness.

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The metaphor of cuckoldry is selected to the exclusion of all others because nothing else quite as effectively sharpens the charge that your obsession with the details of honor and principle has in fact become fatally abstract: you are being kicked out of your own house by a rival power actively working to take away everything that is yours, your children included. You are becoming the end of your line, forever, in every respect. Yet you won’t even evacuate from your breached defenses before it’s too late. Only the heights of spiritual snobbery can explain such a choice.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/09/15/right-wing-think-tanker-takes-1600-words-to-call-david-french-a-cuck/#more-38337
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on September 16, 2019, 07:38:28 pm
I think Futrelle's title sums it up pretty aptly. It;s just somebody being verbose while basically just screaming "CUCK"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on September 16, 2019, 08:18:20 pm
I just wish they didn't hate the English language as much as they clearly hate themselves. The charge is not 'Cuckery' but 'Cuckoldry'. I think the self-loathing is why they are so obsessed with other people fucking their wives too. I used to think it was a closet gay thing as in their wives got the cock that they secretly want. But now I think it is a self-esteem thing.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 17, 2019, 01:48:52 am
That is a clear sign of a person who thinks that a text written while looking up the longest words from a thesaurus makes their claim seem smarter and more believable.

They probably at some point lost an argument to someone who managed to cite actual studies and science rather than just using the "but that's how I feel like it is" justification for everything and now that they are trying to do the same they either can't find any similar science to back up their own claims or simply can't be bothered to look for it and instead hope that making a huge pile of bullshit looks just as good as a huge pile of peer reviewed papers to a casual observer.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on October 17, 2019, 12:51:43 pm
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They hate that. Absolutely hate it. That's because the heterosexual family unit - especially the white version - was and still is the gold standard when it comes to relationships. They know this. They can't stand it.

The successful heterosexual family unit is a constant reminder of their personal failures or the reminder that they are in many cases simply not built to achieve it.

Anyone who pushes the 'love wins' message seethes with hate.

"Nuh uh, I'm not the hater, you're the hater!"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on October 24, 2019, 10:05:22 am
A supporter of the People's Party of Canada (which got 1.5% of the vote) has a brilliant plan for how to respond to their alt-right party getting it's ass kicked.

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Send the word out.  The fascistic left needs to be stopped.  They're dangerous Collectivists who censured all other alternatives.  Pull your money out of the banks in protest. The majority wants freedom of speech and voted against Trudeau.  Words no longer work. We have our rights taken away.  Pull your money out of the banks.  Spread the word.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on October 24, 2019, 12:48:58 pm
A supporter of the People's Party of Canada (which got 1.5% of the vote) has a brilliant plan for how to respond to their alt-right party getting it's ass kicked.

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Send the word out.  The fascistic left needs to be stopped.  They're dangerous Collectivists who censured all other alternatives.  Pull your money out of the banks in protest. The majority wants freedom of speech and voted against Trudeau.  Words no longer work. We have our rights taken away.  Pull your money out of the banks.  Spread the word.

Never heard of em. Mind telling people not in the know what makes them alt-right?

Also, pretty ironic that an alt-right party picked a leftist-sounding name. Then again, Japan's Liberal Democratic Party is actually conservative, so it's not like unfitting names are anything new.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on October 24, 2019, 01:11:44 pm
The party classified Justin Trudeau's comments calling Canada "the first post-national state, with no core identity" as a "cult of diversity". It opposes the Canadian Multiculturalism Act, claiming it "encourages immigrants to keep the values and culture they left behind instead of integrating into Canadian society and adopting Canadian values and culture". The party intends to "repeal the Multiculturalism Act and eliminate all funding to promote multiculturalism."[103]

Quote from wikipedia.

They're pretty much banging on the "MULTICULTURALISM IS EBIL" thing.

Bernier garnered attention for criticizing Prime Minister Trudeau's comments about "diversity is our strength".[81] He later tweeted that naming a park in Winnipeg after Muhammad Ali Jinnah, was an example of "extreme multiculturalism".[82]

Their leader, Bernier, is a racist tinpot.

Bernier and his chief strategist, Martin Masse, aligned the People's Party with the anti-immigrant European New Right. Bernier called for steep cuts to immigration to Canada and criticized multiculturalism.[106] Bernier's focus on issues like cutting immigration marked a change in his public profile, contrasting with his earlier focus (while in the Conservative Party) on free-market, libertarian stances, such as telecom monopolies and deregulation.[106] Bernier also proposed reductions in federal income tax, called for a reduction of the federal role in healthcare and the replacement of the Canada Health Transfer, and proposed the replacement of the Indian Act. He was the only leader of a party represented in the House of Commons to reject the scientific consensus on climate change.

And also an idiot.

He said he would do "nothing" to deal with climate change, and that Canada should withdraw from the Paris Agreement on carbon emissions.[114] The 2019 Canadian Federal Election attracted 315 candidates who represented the People's Party in various ridings across Canada.

"work for Canadians first"

he means white people.

Bernier was defeated, and lost his seat, in the 2019 federal election.

And now he's gone.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on October 24, 2019, 09:00:02 pm
Bernier, in theory, represented libertarian conservatism. In particular, he opposed supply management of dairy, and there's a good case to be made that Andrew Scheer beat him for the Conservative Party leadership because Scheer pledged to keep supply management.

(click to show/hide)

In practice, though, he ended up representing racist, nationalistic, science-denying xenophobia. I really wish he hadn't. I don't agree with libertarian conservatism, but it's an ideology very much not represented in Canadian politics, and I think it should be, to the extent that it reflects the views of the public.

But given what he ended up representing, I'm very glad he lost--in (one of) the whitest riding(s) in Canada, at that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on October 25, 2019, 12:37:06 am
^Funny story, in his riding the Rhinoceros party* found a guy also named Maxime Bernier to run against him just to steal votes from him.

*A joke party the runs on stuff like repealing the law of gravity that used to be popular in Canada but had faded away since we have other parties now for silly joke candidates like Doug Ford.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on October 25, 2019, 01:33:57 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/4bN1peC.jpg)

You could get people killed! Hilarious!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on October 26, 2019, 12:57:22 pm
Roosh V and Vox Day: "We are geniuses way smarter then any woman.  Women are incapable of thinking rationally."

Also Roosh V:

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I first had doubts about the moon landing around 2015, but didn’t come to a definitive conclusion.  As the years went on, I was sympathetic to moon deniers because it was clear that those in power are lying about everything. If you catch someone in one lie, such as your wife, it’s natural to evaluate other things they’ve stated to you as fact. I started to believe that it was more likely we didn’t land on the moon than not.

I’m ready now to come out as a moon landing denier.

When asked not to underestimate human ingenuity he answered:

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This is called ‘secular humanism’, and is what has allowed us to inherit the world we have today. In other words, “human ingenuity” leads to gay pride, feminism, transgender children, deplatforming, fake news, etc. etc.

And not to be outdone Vox Day has gone flat earth:

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Notice that ALL of the hemisphere photography we think we’ve seen has turned out to be nonexistent. It’s becoming clear that from the evolution fairy tale to the Blue Marble fraud to the dinosaur fraud and the satellite myth, the world is very, very different than we have been told it is. What is the point? To deceive you into serving Satan rather than God.

The satellite balloon technology also explains how the US can keep putting up satellites despite not having any rockets capable of sending up astronauts. I particularly enjoyed the video of the NASA satellite released by the Space Shuttle that was dangling from a wire.

If only women had such rational brains they could understand the moon landings were fake and that dinosaurs aren't real (or whatever the phrase dinosaur fraud means.)

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/10/25/roosh-v-the-moon-landing-was-fake-and-science-is-a-big-gay-plot-to-create-transgender-children-or-something/
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on October 26, 2019, 07:33:43 pm
I'm not sure but I think Roosh and Vox might be morons.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on October 27, 2019, 01:09:28 am
Being "smart and rational" has been co-opted by reality-denying conspiracy theorists for some time now.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on October 31, 2019, 08:04:04 pm
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I don't care for Asian heritage of culture, I only take interest in Asian fighting culture because it's similar to my own Irish culture, when I was young I learned a lot about boxing from watching Yuh Myung-woo. I also don't care for race mixing, have babies with whoever but just to be aware and informed on the Kalgeri Zionist agenda considering your children will be aware of it. Yeah the samurai were strong, they fought til the very end of their time and never dishonored the samurai code, they charged with swords and arrows on horses into battle against guns and cannons how can you not respect that ?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on October 31, 2019, 08:12:07 pm
found on reddit's gendercynical sub: "The Duality of TERFs"
https://imgur.com/He2BUBB
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on November 02, 2019, 05:31:04 pm
Where did you find that lunatic, Vanto?

Also it really does seem that Kalgeri is becoming yet another boogeyman for the right wing. Which is surprising considering his actual positions are mostly things they'd agree with.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 02, 2019, 06:18:57 pm
found on reddit's gendercynical sub: "The Duality of TERFs"
https://imgur.com/He2BUBB

TERFs keep trying that one and it's just so absurd. We do, in fact, date each other. A lot. Almost exclusively, sometimes.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on November 03, 2019, 01:11:31 am
found on r/therightcantmeme, I'm not even sure where to start with exactly how stupid this meme is from the typos to the complete inability to understand what its trying to make fun of.
https://external-preview.redd.it/ioYmo0cbXz5VwDpY1aARo21B1S6K6O4eKbefiOcP9us.jpg?auto=webp&s=ea84b64657de7550eeffed149c54038c51baf8cb
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on November 03, 2019, 01:48:00 pm
Where did you find that lunatic, Vanto?

On r/hapas.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on November 03, 2019, 02:00:05 pm
...how am I not surprised.

r/hapas is a breeding ground for a potent combination of far left and far right insanity. Why are those people so incredibly insane?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on November 03, 2019, 04:22:32 pm
Lack of sex.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on November 05, 2019, 01:09:29 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/tRuKyIs.jpg)

In light of the leaked audio, this comes off as even more deluded and pathetic.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on December 10, 2019, 04:14:57 pm
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No Marxist should shy away from defending the Right of Socialist Countries to exist.

No matter how hard the Corporate Media and Western Governments try to undermine the DPRK, the fact remains that this little Socialist Nation has managed to defend itself against US invasion, exclusion from Global Trade, Sanctions and Military provocations, and yet is still there, building Socialism independently.

Traditional Korean culture is obviously very different from anything we might easily understand in the West. And certainly Socialism in the DPRK has taken its own peculiar path and form.

But if we are to ever have a successful International Socialist Movement, and have Unity, part of that has to be a nuanced view of the DPRK, along with support for their Right to Exist and their Right to develop Socialism in their own way as determined by the Korean people.

That doesn’t mean never allowing the DPRK to be critiqued, we all must be willing to accept criticism and give criticism in good faith. But denying the contributions to Socialism by the DPRK only plays into the hands of the Imperialists and justifies their Military aggression towards the DPRK, their unprovoked Sanctions going back decades before their development of a Nuclear weapons capability, and it ignores the entire history of non-stop interference and aggression towards the affairs of the DRPK and the Korean people.

Colonialism is alive and well. One only needs look at the History of the Korean peninsula to begin to understand why the DPRK has taken the route it has, and many other peculiarities are simply cultural differences that do not excuse people for supporting Imperialist aggression against their Right to Exist and build Socialism based on the Juche idea.

Solidarity to the DPRK and the peoples of the Korean Peninsula
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on December 10, 2019, 09:44:35 pm
The only thing worse than right-wingers conflating socialism and communism is left-wingers conflating them.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on December 10, 2019, 09:53:48 pm
North Korea isn't really a socialist state anyway it is rather closer to an absolute hereditary monarchy.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 10, 2019, 10:10:16 pm
First sentence and the 2nd one up until it said DPRK were good and true. Stopped reading after NK was mentioned because I knew it would be dumb lol.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on December 13, 2019, 10:54:29 am
(https://i.imgur.com/6UytkKn.jpg)

Oh? Do tell.

(https://i.imgur.com/4uejffT.jpg)

Surprisingly, according to my research, the claim about the maximum sentence being ten years is actually true... but only on a technicality. The USSR really did abolish sentences longer than ten years after Lenin's death. However, sentences were often arbitrarily extended, as in the case of Maria Tchebotareva (http://gulaghistory.org/nps/onlineexhibit/stalin/crimes.php). And longer sentences were reintroduced during the Great Purge.

As for the claim about capital punishment, it's even more questionable. Under Stalin's regime, owning too much private property and dissenting from the regime were considered "heinous, serious crimes".

(https://i.imgur.com/LPkHVXu.jpg)

...I think I found the tankie equivalent of "Auschwitz had a swimming pool".

Rather ironic that an LGBT group is being Stalin apologists, since his regime recriminalized homosexuality. They'd have been severely punished for "muzhelozhstvo" under his rule.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 15, 2019, 10:29:37 pm
Attached screencaps are possibly one of the most evil things I've seen happen on twitter.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on December 18, 2019, 12:56:17 am
I can't read the small text, what happened?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 19, 2019, 03:52:57 am
I can't read the small text, what happened?

click on the images if you haven't already. a self-proclaimed "feminist" against Bernie Sanders used a rape victims story to shit on "bernie bros" as a political weapon because the rapist was a Bernie fan. She totally left out and spoke over the victim who is also a Sanders supporter. Then the piece of shit denied it and doubled down and continued ignore the victims actual words literally said to her.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on December 31, 2019, 03:48:22 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YLcMxvS.png)

"This could literally save the world, but it doesn't help me push my politics, so I don't want it used!"

And how is the climate crisis not just about the environment? Your claim that it isn't feels like you admitting you're just using environmentalism as a means to promote the causes you really care about.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 01, 2020, 11:22:36 am
Why is it that I have this feeling that, if folks like him were back around 2,000 years ago, they'd die of starvation?  Then again, it is a genius plan, if ya think about it.  You can't have oppression if there isn't anyone alive to oppress or be oppressed.

(https://makeameme.org/media/templates/250/roll-safe-black-guy-pointing-at-his-head-.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 01, 2020, 04:56:44 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YLcMxvS.png)

"This could literally save the world, but it doesn't help me push my politics, so I don't want it used!"

And how is the climate crisis not just about the environment? Your claim that it isn't feels like you admitting you're just using environmentalism as a means to promote the causes you really care about.

This totally doesn't show out of context but he was actually not making an argument against nuclear power. (see e.g. this tweet (https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1201597462483480576) in reply. He is trying to showcase what he thinks is the pattern of thinking that ends up in lots of anti-climate-change people still opposing nuclear power.

(not a defence or whatever. I don't think he's engaging in good faith with the argument, it's just annoying seeing it getting misread out of context)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on January 02, 2020, 07:43:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YLcMxvS.png)

"This could literally save the world, but it doesn't help me push my politics, so I don't want it used!"

And how is the climate crisis not just about the environment? Your claim that it isn't feels like you admitting you're just using environmentalism as a means to promote the causes you really care about.

This totally doesn't show out of context but he was actually not making an argument against nuclear power. (see e.g. this tweet (https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1201597462483480576) in reply. He is trying to showcase what he thinks is the pattern of thinking that ends up in lots of anti-climate-change people still opposing nuclear power.

(not a defence or whatever. I don't think he's engaging in good faith with the argument, it's just annoying seeing it getting misread out of context)

Should've known. This is pretty embarrassing.

Well, with that context provided, I have to agree that it really seems like he's assuming bad faith. OTOH, I can understand where he's coming from.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 05, 2020, 02:31:29 am
It's completely suitable to fight climate change.I get what he's saying but that was phrased rather poorly.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on January 07, 2020, 09:34:08 am
(https://i.redd.it/zqpq7q2pec841.jpg)

"Gays existing is literally causing society to collapse. Am I right, my fellow alt-right neckbeards?"
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on January 12, 2020, 09:59:15 pm
This shameful liason does not deserve prison (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/29/barbara-ellen-madeleine-martin-comment)

I know this is a double post, but this is so... disgusting that I have to deal with it. In fact, I'm going to make a breakdown of it to show how bad it is.

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Looking at the case of Madeleine Martin, the 39-year-old RE teacher and mother of two, jailed for 32 months and placed on the sex offenders' register for sleeping with a 15-year-old male pupil, do we seriously think that a female teacher sleeping with a male pupil is on a par with a male teacher sleeping with a girl pupil? I don't. And neither, I'd wager, would most 15-year-old boys.

Well, at least she lets the reader know what they're getting into right away.

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The issue shouldn't be taken lightly. All teachers, male and female, are in a position of trust and should not abuse it, though reading of Martin and the boy having sex in car parks, of her buying him mobile phones and tattoos with her name on "so he wouldn't forget her", of her failing marriage and terminally ill sister, Martin seems more pathetic than predatory.

"Yeah, she molested a teenager, but..."

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Certainly, she has been severely punished for her nine-day tryst with the teenager, who, his mother says, has been mocked by peers. If anything, one would have thought they might be jealous. The internet is awash with sites dealing with "older woman teacher-pupil" fantasies.

I don't doubt it. But there are also a lot of teenage girls who fantasize about sleeping with a hot male teacher. There's an important difference between sexual fantasies about sex offenses and actual sex offenses: one is a harmless romp in the bedroom, and the other is an utterly depraved crime.

Why are you trying to justify this based on sex fantasies? Lots of women have rape fantasies, that doesn't mean it's not wrong to actually rape them! This is not hard to understand.

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And there lies the rub – should the law be treating male and female pupil victims equally when male and female teenagers are so different?

Whether we like it or not, secondary schools are hubs of teenage sexuality. However, while girl and boy teenagers deserve the same protection, crucially what they want seems very different.

There are always exceptions, but surely one of the essential differences between the teenage sexes lies in the onset and manifestation of sexuality. Which is a posh way of saying that teenage boys mainly want sex, while teenage girls mainly want attention. Likewise, while teenage boys are usually sexually driven, teenage girls tend to be validation-driven.

This seemed to be the case when I was supping my can of Vimto in the fifth form common room trying (and failing) to look alluring and still rings true today.

...And? Even if this is true, how does that mitigate what this predator did?

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When I interviewed young people on this topic, it was clear: girls (still) only invited censure by being sexually active, while for boys it was (still) win-win: excitement, experience ("practice," one called it), bragging rights, kudos.]When I interviewed young people on this topic, it was clear: girls (still) only invited censure by being sexually active, while for boys it was (still) win-win: excitement, experience ("practice," one called it), bragging rights, kudos.

Care to give details about this "study" of yours? Assuming you even conducted it at all? You're a rape apologist, I'm not giving you any goddamn slack.

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From here, it is not too much of a leap to surmise that sexual contact with a teacher would have entirely different effects on the teenage sexes. For most boys, it would be the score of all scores, for girls, the ultimate exploitation of their genetic vulnerability.

While a large proportion of teenage boys may not have the sense to make the best choices, they are "up for it," none the less. This is why, in my view, a male teacher sleeping with a girl pupil amounts to statutory rape, whereas a female teacher sleeping with a 15-year-old male is a far greyer moral area.

Okay, I can't keep calm anymore. This is fucking vile.

Would it be a "moral gray area" to rape a slut? How would you feel about being a teenage boy, getting molested by a female teacher, and being told you're not a REAL victim because you have a dick?!

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Even from the perpetrator's side there seems to be a gender difference. Most would agree that a male with a 15-year-old girl would be all about sex. With Martin, (the mobiles, the tattoo "so he wouldn't forget her"), it seems painfully apparent that in her own damaged, wrong-headed way, she was attempting to mimic a proper relationship.

You're being far too generous to this bitch. I'd say she was manipulating him. Grooming him like the molester she is.

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Maybe it is time for society to address this issue honestly. Why do we blithely accept that "men and women are different", but refuse to acknowledge that the teenage sexes are also different? Does anyone believe that males and females suddenly become different, at, say, 21?

I have a better question.

WHO THE FUCK CARES?! A RAPE IS A RAPE IS A RAPE!

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Once we accept this difference, the justification for the equality of punishment starts blurring. In Martin's case, with her hefty prison sentence, and placement on the sex offenders' register, she has effectively been punished exactly the same as a man. What we have to ask ourselves now, is, knowing what we do about teenage boys, do women like her always commit exactly the same crime?

...Wow. It's not often you see somebody pretty much come right out and say "we want equality, but not when it might be bad for us." Unfortunately, saying sex crimes are less serious when it's a male victim and a female perpetrator is far more common.

Maddy is a worthless waste of oxygen. A walking argument for after-birth abortion. And so are you, Barb. As far as I'm concerned, you can go fuck yourself. Cunt.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on January 13, 2020, 12:22:36 am
It seems a bit off, particularly seeing as  I understood the suggestion that most of Epstein's victims were 17 years old (including the girl who slept with Prince Andrew).
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 13, 2020, 12:25:55 am
I had a feeling this Barbara Ellen was a TERF because a bunch of Guardian column-writing self-declared "feminist" rape apologists tend to be and while there's nothing conclusive yet I've definitely found some pretty questionable shit that indicates she may be.

http://archive.md/3REJK
Even when ostensibly criticizing Germaine Greer's awful comments on rape (oh how ironic given the circumstances in the post above) she can't help but describe the older woman as, and I quote: a "fiendishly brainy, internationally celebrated feminist academic"

http://archive.md/s8I8y
She thinks parents should be allowed to spy on their kids, which is a little weird tbh.

http://archive.md/hmIWz
She really hates nudity (I've found several article like this, and they always include jabs at FEMEN, a feminist activist group.)

http://archive.md/36QRU
"Some women seem to be transforming their mate simply to render him repulsive to the opposite sex" is a REALLY fucking weird article.

http://archive.md/rwnsf
She left the Labor party in part because "moderate" became an insult. Lord knows what she would have thought of MLK's comments about how the white moderates were letting him down.

Can't find any conclusive TERFiness, but I definitely got a huge whiff of the typical "Guardian Lib" vibes. The kind of person who is just kind of trapped in a very specific bubble of thought and lashes out at people & groups to their left for being a little too uppity. So it's not surprising their are some issues (like what Vanto posted about) where they just have weird conservative opinions that old that women somehow can't also be predators.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 13, 2020, 01:09:42 am
OKay so um I found another wild one: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/30/aubrey-ireland-helicopter-parents-nightmare-children (http://archive.md/3yz7x)

Pity 21-year-old Aubrey Ireland, a music student at the University of Cincinnati, who's just won a restraining order against her parents. They must now stay at least 500 yards from her and make no contact until next autumn. Despite Ms Ireland sounding like an exemplary student, the parents installed spyware software on her mobile and computer and regularly arrived unannounced at her university. They accused her of being promiscuous and on drugs and informed her tutors she had mental health issues.

All of which has reignited the longstanding debate about helicopter parents, the overprotective control freaks who hover over their children's lives, even after they become adults, unable or unwilling to let go. Except now the oft-maligned helicopters have been re-branded "stalker parents", which, this extreme case aside, sounds a bit rude.

I've pondered before on helicopter parents, who I'm sure exist, but are perhaps outnumbered by the lesser known lifeboat parents, whose only crime is endlessly to fish their children out of messes, however much they'd rather be sitting down with a tumbler of Baileys, watching Homeland. Oh hang on, they're just parents.

I even feel a modicum of sympathy for the misguided parents of Aubrey Ireland. I've been there – well, not quite so extreme – in the shivering, crazy-eyed, cold dark wastelands of parental paranoia. Once you've been there, the idea of stalker parenting doesn't sound pretty, but it doesn't seem unthinkable either.

What smug "Oh I would never do that" parents of younger children don't realise is that older children (glorious, autonomous, often preternaturally idiotic) can drive a person literally insane with anxiety.

I actually feel sorry for new parents and their terrible innocence. Do they genuinely believe that getting through nappies and sleepless nights signals the end of the most difficult stressful part of parenting? Please excuse me while I lean back in my chair and emit a ghastly hollow laugh that barely sounds human.

As for all this ill-mannered talk of stalking, who's stalking whom exactly? While some parents might deserve the label, what about stalker children who don't leave their parents alone? We all know of the failure to launch phenomenon, where reasonably solvent, capable adult children opt never to leave home. Then there are the ones who leave, but, justifiably or otherwise, require endless bankrolling. That's financial stalking. Even when they become parents themselves, it doesn't stop. When I first started selfishly exploiting the good nature of my child's grandparents, it was relatively unusual. These days, it's on the verge of being mandatory.

Some people won't even get a break between parenting and grandparenting. Having a large gap between my children, I could easily end up looking after a grandchild before I've even finished buying Ikea shoe-hangers for the youngest to take to university or prison. I've worked out that I may have as little as 25 minutes, enough for a quick flick through Grazia, before another round of childrearing begins. And with the amount of people starting second, even third, families, I'm far from alone. Gone are the days when grandchildren were perceived as a second chance, another shot – these days, it's just as likely to be a continuum. Let's call it gestational stalking.

The point is that, while all the focus is on children unable to escape from parents, sometimes it's not that simple. People can bang on about helicopters, but sometimes the helicopter stops its hysterical hovering and lands, or indeed crashes; either way, it gets to the ground and stays there. Similarly, most parent stalkers are likely to snap out of it, realising they're no longer needed in quite the same way. So my sympathies to Ms Ireland in Cincinnati, but probably she would agree that this was rather an extreme case. In general, the truth is more complex and, where the stalking is concerned, far from one-sided.

Decided to bold the most... fascinating parts of this because thats quite a jinkies thesis we have going on here. Like... financial stalking? You fuckin what mate?

It's SUPER fucking creepy to use this whataboutism when it comes to stalking or abusing and manipulating grown children.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on January 24, 2020, 03:22:17 am
Although normally the age of consent is 16 in Finland, there is a special exception that if the older person is in a position of power (like a teacher/student relationship) then the age of consent is raised to 18 because that 16 year old is still so young that they might get manipulated by a person who has authority over them.

...So the teacher/student thing would have been seen as even worse in Finland.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on January 24, 2020, 10:02:20 am
I think most places have the "position of authority" exception when it comes to age-of-consent laws...
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 28, 2020, 03:13:20 am
I just found this google photo collection and I'm amazed at the content of it all. It's all kinds of bigotry and other awful social media trends. Racism, classism, sexism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-semitism, xenophobia, conspiracy theory, unrepentant harassment, wishing death, even to the point of threatening it, body shaming of various flavors, fervently cult-like deification of anyone but Bernie or Warren, who are both demonized throughout. You name it and there's probably a screencap for that!

All motivated by hating Bernie Sanders and progressives, believing in the lie that Sanders is a "russian plant" or "ruined the 2016 election" among other things, and taking it out on his prominent black associates, especially women like Nina Turner & Brie Joy.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOieaGhgmp-BFkEGXBTz8SaigFHjpCczlM2_UEP7nz0dDt6_lfZ6NWBlEBhThp79g?key=YTdLbmpoa00wcExHZFI2OElKMENWTWg4ZTJMX1ZB

This shit is so toxic and somehow most of the discourse on checkmark twitter is about how bad rabid Bernie supporters are, how the left is basically the MAGA twitter people, and I truly believe that feeds into people's negative assumptions and lets them morally justify behaving this horrendously.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: DarkPhoenix on January 28, 2020, 12:26:51 pm
I just found this google photo collection and I'm amazed at the content of it all. It's all kinds of bigotry and other awful social media trends. Racism, classism, sexism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-semitism, xenophobia, conspiracy theory, unrepentant harassment, wishing death, even to the point of threatening it, body shaming of various flavors, fervently cult-like deification of anyone but Bernie or Warren, who are both demonized throughout. You name it and there's probably a screencap for that!

All motivated by hating Bernie Sanders and progressives, believing in the lie that Sanders is a "russian plant" or "ruined the 2016 election" among other things, and taking it out on his prominent black associates, especially women like Nina Turner & Brie Joy.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOieaGhgmp-BFkEGXBTz8SaigFHjpCczlM2_UEP7nz0dDt6_lfZ6NWBlEBhThp79g?key=YTdLbmpoa00wcExHZFI2OElKMENWTWg4ZTJMX1ZB

This shit is so toxic and somehow most of the discourse on checkmark twitter is about how bad rabid Bernie supporters are, how the left is basically the MAGA twitter people, and I truly believe that feeds into people's negative assumptions and lets them morally justify behaving this horrendously.

From my viewpoint, Bernie has two major flaws that should really make people stop and think about what a cabinet built by him would look like:

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on February 05, 2020, 11:50:44 am
(https://i.imgur.com/NHyg3MP.png)

I gotta say, this is the first time I've seen somebody use "Saracen" outside a historical context.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on February 05, 2020, 02:58:09 pm
If he's trying to invoke images of the Crusades, he's barking up the very wrong tree; the crusades were less about white supremacy and more about white people repeatedly either kicking each other around for being the wrong kind of Christian or getting their asses kicked by the various Islamic forces there.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on February 09, 2020, 03:48:48 pm
I found this cringeworthy Daily Mail article by Graham Linehan (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982837/How-hated-man-internet-writes-Graham-Linehan.html). Not only have I added it to the main page, I'm gonna break it down here:

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Today I am one of the most loathed figures on the internet. My speaking events have been cancelled. I have been sued. The police have visited my home and former friends have turned their backs on me.

Yet I’m the man who wrote the much-loved Father Ted! Why is it that I’ve become so suddenly unpopular?

Father Ted was just as much Arthur Mathews' baby as yours.

More to the point, working on a beloved TV series doesn't absolve you of any wrongs you may have committed. See also Jimmy Savile, Bill Cosby and Louis C.K. Extreme examples, I know, but the same principle applies.

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The thought crime for which I have been tried and found guilty is that I believe biological reality exists.

I believe women are females. I believe everyone should be able to present themselves as they wish but that women’s hard-won rights must not be compromised for the benefit of men suffering body dysphoria – which is to say men who feel they are stuck in the wrong body.

And you're front-loading this article with unscientific claims that trans people are just delusional. We're off to a great start, aren't we?

Most of all, I believe that gender ideology, in its currently fashionable form, is dangerous, incoherent nonsense.

I believe trans people –those unfortunate enough to suffer body dysphoria – are having their condition exploited and trivialised by abusive, controlling and authoritarian trans rights activists. And I think women and children are suffering because of it.

Worst of all, I say so, loudly. This makes me Public Enemy No 1. (http://Most of all, I believe that gender ideology, in its currently fashionable form, is dangerous, incoherent nonsense.

I believe trans people –those unfortunate enough to suffer body dysphoria – are having their condition exploited and trivialised by abusive, controlling and authoritarian trans rights activists. And I think women and children are suffering because of it.

Worst of all, I say so, loudly. This makes me Public Enemy No 1.)

Your victim complex is as transparent as it is pathetic. Climb down from that cross.

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I make my arguments forcefully because I’m concerned, sometimes with humour because I’m a comedy writer and often while cursing, because I’m Irish. It’s the humour they hate most. It’s kryptonite to these activists.

"Why do people think I'm an asshole? All I do is act like one!"

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I’m 51 and I’ve never seen anything like the authoritarianism on display, the desperate desire to shut down the conversation. No genuine civil-rights movement advances in secret but this one has as one of its mantras ‘NO DEBATE’.

Stop pretending you want to have a conversation, Glinner. If the shoe were on the other foot, you and yours would be doing pretty much the same things, if not worse.

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So, while we are in a world where male sexual offenders in bad wigs assault female prisoners,

Citation needed.

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where rape crisis centres are defunded because they won’t admit men

Rape crisis centers should admit men. After all, men can be rape victims too.

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and where a bloke in a full beard tells schoolchildren that he’s a lesbian, we’re informed with venomous aggression that we may not talk about any of it.

No debate? Oh, there’s going to be a debate all right.

Be careful what you wish for, Glinny-boy.

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The popular opinion among my detractors is that I’m cherry-picking negative stories to mask a hatred of trans people. In fact, I first came to this debate because I saw women being bullied, losing their jobs and suffering the most intense online harassment I’d ever seen, and I wanted to stand beside them.

Nobody forced you to white-knight for TERFs.

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Also, as a writer, I couldn’t watch as one of the most important words in the English language, the word ‘woman’, was being changed against the will of those whom it defined.

Oh really? Why are you presuming to know what all women want?

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Suddenly, everywhere you looked, women were being erased, insulted or endangered. Amnesty referring to pregnant women as ‘pregnant people’. Productions of The Vagina Monologues closing because they excluded ‘women who don’t have vaginas’. Women’s toilets disappearing from public life – even though they were introduced to ensure that women could have a public life.

What does that last part even mean?

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Worst of all, I saw the lack of compassion or empathy for the vulnerable women who are often at the sharp end of the new Gender Theocracy.

The four women attacked in prison by a male sex offender in 2018 (who everyone had to call ‘Karen’ or they were committing a hate crime) are four women too many.

We don't live in a perfect world, and we'll probably never be able to eradicate sex crime entirely. Never heard of that case, so I don't really know enough to comment on what happened. Maybe there was something that could have been done to prevent that assault, but what Karen did doesn't justify calling her a man.

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Women in prison often have a history of abuse at the hands of men. Whatever they’ve done, they are entitled to safety from the type of men who helped put them there.

Looks like the transphobia wasn't enough, so he decided to throw in some gratuitous sexism. This is sexist against both women and men: against women because it implies that female criminals lack agency; and against men because it implies that only they commit acts of violence against women.

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Rational people – and that includes rational trans people – are dismayed by those who have now taken over trans activism.

Body dysphoria is no longer seen as central or even necessary for those who decide to adopt a so-called trans identity.

To see just how elastic and meaningless the word ‘trans’ has become, one only has to look at the definition adopted by the Stonewall lobby group: ‘Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.’

Neutrois, I discovered, literally just means ‘androgynous’. So androgynous people are trans. That’ll be news to Bake Off presenter Noel Fielding.

Under Stonewall’s definition, everyone is trans, and no one is. A cross-dresser such as banker Philip Bunce, who adopts the female persona ‘Pippa’ for only a few days every week, nevertheless receives the honour of being named by the Financial Times as one of its top 100 women in business.

Maybe you have a point here, I've seen a lot of debate about exactly what belongs under the trans umbrella, but coming from a guy who doesn't think any form of transgenderism is valid...

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This was seen as progress, a step forward for women. In fact, it is an insult to women and to those suffering from body dysphoria.

Says the guy who calls people with dysphoria mentally ill men. Take that log out of your eye.

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In order to maintain the fantasy that our sex is unconnected to our bodies, the truth must be bent and beaten in the fire of academic language. That is why trans activists talk about sex being ‘assigned at birth’ – an abuse of language, if ever I heard one.

Is the sex of a newborn ‘assigned’ by a capricious midwife? Of course not. Rather it is observed and recorded as a matter of fact.

‘Assigned’ is one of the more successful hijackings of English achieved by gender ideologues, yet you will hear it parroted across many organisations from the NHS to the BBC – the sort of institution where you really would expect people to know better.

Why should I listen to you over medical professionals? You're no different from Jenny McCarthy expecting her mouth diarrhea about vaccines and autism to be taken seriously.

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Before I knew how toxic trans rights activism was, I wrote an episode of my Channel 4 sitcom The IT Crowd with a trans character. The response was more venomous than I was used to, but as bad as it was, at least I was allowed to write it. That was in 2013.

In 2020, such an episode would never air. And that is because the first generation who didn’t go out to play have grown up to become clones of Mary Whitehouse. The new puritans.

I haven't seen that episode, but judging by your opinions, I'm guessing it's offensive in a very mean-spirited, unpleasant way. Politically incorrect humor can be funny, but when someone's prejudices bleed into it...

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I am not new to outrage. There was fury on the part of some when we first released Father Ted but the executives we had were made of strong stuff and ignored the attacks. The same goes for The IT Crowd, Brass Eye, Black Books, and I guess a few comedies I haven’t worked on.

I’m worried we’re entering an era of pre-chewed, prissy art that offends no one.

Where was this free speech advocacy when Count Dankula was facing legal action over a stupid pet trick? You're not taking any kind of principled stand, you just don't like the monster coming for you.

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But it’s not comedy writers who are the victims of all this: it is women who are the real casualties.

Gender ideology is a disaster for women. They are expected to make room for men in their changing rooms and their safe spaces.

They are being robbed of the language to describe their reality by unintelligible academic ‘gender experts’, by teenagers encouraging each other online, by parents who are profoundly mistaken, and by well-meaning people who, confused by the ever-changing terminology, still believe they are defending what used to be called transsexuals.

All these forces working together are, whether they know it or not, providing a smokescreen for fetishists, conmen and misogynists to pursue their own agenda.

You're a patronizing, paranoid, bigoted nitwit.

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In years to come, we will look back at this scandal, at the ruined bodies, the confused crime statistics, the weakening of safeguarding and the rollback of women’s rights and wonder how it was left to go on for so long.

Why am I not surprised that the guy with a martyr complex thinks history will vindicate him?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on February 15, 2020, 01:38:16 am
(https://i.redd.it/2vg4jfcelyg41.jpg)

This just in: Women in USA have absolutely no responsibilities. They are excempt from all laws and do not need to pay taxes, do jury duty or wait at lines in stores.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on February 16, 2020, 10:05:09 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/CxmgRQ5.png)

Not only is this guy a bloodthirsty psychopath, he's an ignoramus. Wars since 1945 have been increasingly rare and they're generally not as large-scale or bloody as they used to be.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 18, 2020, 01:06:05 am
Bloomberg is throwing a tantrum and trying to deflect back at "bernie bros" in a new ad after a bunch of people brought up the fact that he's one of this country's most notorious misogynistic racist pieces of shit.
https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1229369357471551488
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 09, 2020, 02:48:00 am
Latest example of the oppression of men in modern society: the lack of scary girl clowns!

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It's so trendy to be "scared of clowns."
But if there are no female scary clowns in media, than we cant rule out that this may be creating anti-male fear.

If a woman dressed as a clown and sat at a playground, people would bring their kids up to her. But imagine a huge dude clown just sitting at a playground...

Tell me a huge part of scary clowns is not their maleness.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on March 16, 2020, 10:55:30 pm
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There's a lot of concerns with the economy here, because people are scared to go out, but I will just say, one of the things you can do, if you're healthy, you and your family, it's a great time to just go out, go to a local restaurant, likely you can get in easily. You know, let's not hurt the working people in this country that are relying on wages and tips to keep their small business going. Just don't run to the grocery store and buy four thousand dollars of food. Go to your local pub.

--Rep. Devin Nunes on FOX
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on March 28, 2020, 12:42:41 am
In other news, Neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin has never had sex.

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2020/03/27/why-you-shouldnt-have-sex-with-a-nazi-according-to-a-nazi/#more-94495

Or at least I assume he hasn't, given that he wrote that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on March 28, 2020, 03:14:00 pm
That's a weird kind of self-own.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 31, 2020, 02:32:22 am
He's never had a fulfilling relationship, she had sex though I was certain? Like he was one of those weirdo sex tourists at one point wasn't he?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on March 31, 2020, 03:41:20 am
That would be Roosh.

Anglin is the one trying his very darnedest to be The Joker. Anglin I think has exactly one long lasting love, and sex is not required at all for that - he's in love with destruction itself.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 01, 2020, 07:42:34 pm
That would be Roosh.

Anglin is the one trying his very darnedest to be The Joker. Anglin I think has exactly one long lasting love, and sex is not required at all for that - he's in love with destruction itself.

I'm pretty sure it was also Anglin and Forney. I recall there being like at least half a dozen of them that were at minimum.

Also technically NOT a thing that was said online but I feel like its opposite enough of a good thing that posting it here would be okay.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 01, 2020, 09:17:06 pm
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This is a report from Israel, that the synagogues are the top spreaders of the coronavirus in Israel. That's not an anti-Israel report, that's in the Times of Israel. They're admitting, they are admitting that the virus clusters are in the synagogues. If you go, in fact, I'll show you the next one from UPI, chief rabbis urge Israelis to stay away from synagogues. Well I would too! Stay out of those things! There's a plague in them! God's dealing with false religions. God's dealing with people who oppose his son Jesus Christ. He's dealing with the forces of Antichrist. And there's a plague moving upon the Earth right now. And the people that are going into the synagogues are coming out of the synagogues with the virus. Well, it's spreading in Israel, through the synagogues. Who is Israel gonna blame that on? There are no anti-Semitic people going there with the virus, spreading it.

Now let me tell you, Mr. Netanyahu, let me tell you, ADL, God, God is spreading it in your synagogues! You're under judgement because you oppose his son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why you have a plague in your synagogues. Repent. Repent and believe on the name of Jesus Christ, and the plague will stop.

Rick Wiles knows what's what when it comes to COVID-19.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on April 06, 2020, 12:43:01 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/96d8rAs.jpg)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on April 06, 2020, 02:36:41 pm
I bet a total Karen came up with that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: SCarpelan on April 06, 2020, 10:43:46 pm
I bet a total Karen came up with that.
As many in the tweet thread point out. There is also a person in the thread claiming to be the tweeter's lawyer and threatening to sue people for harassment and slurs. Amusingly, when people point out that when you can say one word (Karen) but censor the other (n-word) it tells you they are not the same, the account starts to use the term "K-word".

One could get lost in analysing the connotations of "Karen" and whether there is a sexist aspect in making a particular annoying behaviour gendered and it is the type of nitpicking I sometimes enjoy, in this context I can't help but laugh at the idiocy of comparing it to racist slurs and the amount of privilege this requires.

Edit: After posting this I started suspecting a poe. The person who originally came up with Karen being a slur is serious (and an apparent Karen), but this with one I am 50/50 about it being a poe.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 06, 2020, 10:45:05 pm
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Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on April 07, 2020, 12:33:18 am
Fuck me crackers, this is surely not a thing that is comparable.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 07, 2020, 09:58:00 am
Well, at least they have black people weighing in; figured they'd get the whitest crackers you could possibly find to try and represent both sides.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 07, 2020, 12:49:16 pm
The fact that they wrote Crackers but were too scared to write anything but the "the n-word" I think answers that question for them.

What's offensive about these anyway?
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/3-s2.0-B9780128155790000015-f01-01-9780128155790.jpg)

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 10, 2020, 01:46:16 am
Stefan Molyneux has said officially the dumbest thing anyone has ever said about the Covid-19 pandemic:

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They’re not facemasks.

They’re communist burkas.

Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on April 10, 2020, 09:42:45 am
...............I'm sorry what?

Ironbite-has his brain completely died or what?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on April 11, 2020, 05:05:00 am
(https://i.imgur.com/96d8rAs.jpg)

I-is this an alt-right run parody account? It feels a little too on the nose and stereotypical to be real.

Or maybe I'm just choosing to believe that to cope with people comparing Karen to the N-word. (Most of whom I've previously seen are actually expected ones like Julie Bindel and her terf brigade)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on April 11, 2020, 04:23:24 pm
That sounds like a TOTAL Karen came up with it.

She forgot to @ the manager.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 14, 2020, 12:35:46 am
Don't wash your hands to stop Covid-19!  Washing your hands makes you gay!
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Jonathan Shuttlesworth, a televangelist who co-founded Revival Today TV, called out European churches that are taking measures to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

“Shame on every European full gospel church, bunch of sissies, that shut down during this thing,” he said. Italy is the country with the second-most confirmed cases of coronavirus in the world, after China, and churches there have taken steps to prevent the spread of the virus, like removing holy water and canceling large events.

“Catholic Church not having holy water in the lobby — how holy is the water then?” he said in his rant. “That should be a sign to you that your whole religion’s a fraud. Any faith that doesn’t work in real life is a fake faith. Totally fake.”

“If you’re putting out pamphlets and telling everybody to use Purell before they come into the sanctuary and don’t greet anyone, you should just turn in your ministry credentials and burn your church down — turn it into a casino or something,” he said. “You’re a loser. Bunch of pansies. No balls. Got neutered somewhere along the line and don’t even realize it.”

“Let me tell you if the devil doesn’t want there to be mass gatherings — it’s time to hold mass gatherings. If I lived in Italy I would call an open-air crusade to pray for the sick. If you have to go to jail, go to jail.”

“They can say whatever they want, he honored Israel. Obama honored the enemies of Israel; Trump honors Israel, and it’s a massive difference. And because of that, I predict America will be minimally affected by coronavirus,” Shuttlesworth said.

He said that “Pacific Northwest, California, and New York” are “four places” that will not be protected by Trump’s views on Israel because they gave “God the middle finger in the shape of an Empire State Building lit up in pink to celebrate the passage of the [legislation] that you can kill a baby.”
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/03/pastor-says-sissies-pansies-wash-hands-prevent-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on April 14, 2020, 12:55:11 pm
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males is the same

How has their movement been taken so seriously for so long?

This is SUCH a typical male response.

Rape. She wants to rape them.

She didn't mean that literally, you idiot TERFs. When I tell people to kiss my black ass, I don't actually want them to do that.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on April 16, 2020, 03:02:04 am
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.5531123.1586815962!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/marcdalton.jpeg)

Marc Dalton is the Conservative MP for Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 12, 2020, 02:56:06 am
Local Aussie crank Pete Evans lost his celebrity chef gig after selling quack cures for Covid 19 (https://www.buzzfeed.com/cameronwilson/pete-evans-qanon-conspiracy-instagram?fbclid=IwAR2J_bdCPAk3ZCw2aKLUEoqYPru6tmh6bW8UNufMqxNe3yiBvuOug-SmnM0), he didn't take it well...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXxKVS8UYAAn_Yq?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXxKVS6UEAAArBj?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on May 18, 2020, 04:49:25 pm
ouch. hope nobody looked up to the guy too highly.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 11, 2020, 10:23:19 pm
https://twitter.com/ContraPoints/status/1270885329151701000/photo/1

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People make a big deal of Harry Potter turning on her, but every single character in that series came from HER head.  She IS Harry.  She's not just Harry, she's Hermione and Ralph, and Dumbledore, and everyone else.  If you're on her side, you're doing all right. #IStandWithJKR
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on June 12, 2020, 09:33:25 am
................what in the fuck?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on June 12, 2020, 10:28:27 am
2020 is the year where Nascar takes a bold stand *against* racism and the Confederacy and the TERFs take the Harry Potter fandom for themselves.

It's a strange year. I would call it a sign of the end times but I'm pretty sure we sailed past all the signs years ago and now we are just going through the motions to do whatever silly things still remain before the plug is pulled.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 13, 2020, 11:22:48 pm
https://twitter.com/ContraPoints/status/1270885329151701000/photo/1

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People make a big deal of Harry Potter turning on her, but every single character in that series came from HER head.  She IS Harry.  She's not just Harry, she's Hermione and Ralph, and Dumbledore, and everyone else.  If you're on her side, you're doing all right. #IStandWithJKR

God Graham is such a dipshit. No wonder his wife left and his life is in a toilet spiral because all he seemingly does any more is write awful tweets about how the mean transes hurt his feelings or the feelings of some other rich has-been that he wants to suck up to.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on June 14, 2020, 01:23:36 am
Plus A) by his logic, doesn't that mean JKR is also Voldemort, Lucius Malfoy, Umbridge etc? And B)… "Hermione and Ralph" how does anybody get that wrong?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on June 14, 2020, 03:51:50 am
It's Linehan, he took his brain out one morning and forgot to put it back in.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 15, 2020, 09:53:45 am
Plus A) by his logic, doesn't that mean JKR is also Voldemort, Lucius Malfoy, Umbridge etc? And B)… "Hermione and Ralph" how does anybody get that wrong?

I mean, Ron Weasley is kind of a Ralph Wiggum.  Just a more functional variety.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 15, 2020, 03:01:53 pm
Plus A) by his logic, doesn't that mean JKR is also Voldemort, Lucius Malfoy, Umbridge etc? And B)… "Hermione and Ralph" how does anybody get that wrong?

I mean, Ron Weasley is kind of a Ralph Wiggum.  Just a more functional variety.

*Ron voice*: haha, I'm in danger.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 16, 2020, 11:59:51 am
Plus A) by his logic, doesn't that mean JKR is also Voldemort, Lucius Malfoy, Umbridge etc? And B)… "Hermione and Ralph" how does anybody get that wrong?

I mean, Ron Weasley is kind of a Ralph Wiggum.  Just a more functional variety.

*Ron voice*: haha, I'm in danger.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/callmekevin/images/d/d4/PS1_Ron.jpg)

A BEAN!
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on July 07, 2020, 01:06:25 am
Maocels are a thing now

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I am not here for romance. I am not here for sex. I am here to organize on a purely Maoist basis. I will never interact with anyone outside of a Maoist realm.
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Engaging in Maoism to pick up women is predatory and deceitful. Sex, romance, lust; these acts of evil detract from the revolution. We should be purely for Protracted Peoples War! I have never been in any romantic relationship! I will never! I am fully geared for revolution!
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In a society dominated by the patriarchy, sexual intercourse is unscientific and useless.
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I don't think people realize that porn, sex, any sexual promiscuity, etc will be outlawed under communism. All idealist horse shit.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: dpareja on July 07, 2020, 01:41:20 am
wtf did i just read
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on July 07, 2020, 01:56:17 am
Maocels are a thing now

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I am not here for romance. I am not here for sex. I am here to organize on a purely Maoist basis. I will never interact with anyone outside of a Maoist realm.
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Engaging in Maoism to pick up women is predatory and deceitful. Sex, romance, lust; these acts of evil detract from the revolution. We should be purely for Protracted Peoples War! I have never been in any romantic relationship! I will never! I am fully geared for revolution!
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In a society dominated by the patriarchy, sexual intercourse is unscientific and useless.
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I don't think people realize that porn, sex, any sexual promiscuity, etc will be outlawed under communism. All idealist horse shit.

"Yeah, I killed more than 40 million people, but they were all counterrevolutionaries and revisionists Chads and Stacies, so really, they had it coming."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on July 07, 2020, 05:03:03 pm
wtf did i just read


Good question.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Vanto on July 13, 2020, 11:01:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/xjPYq2x.jpg)

For those who don't know who these assholes are, the Atomwaffen Division is a neo-Nazi terrorist group who fantasize about a nuclear race war. Basically, think [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_Posadist Posadists]] if they were Nazis instead of commies (and also obsessed with the occult instead of aliens).

Also, I'd say Nazis have no room to talk when it comes to suicide.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 26, 2020, 09:50:13 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgTGRVjWoAEi2bX?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: davedan on August 27, 2020, 02:26:27 am
That's a parody isn't it?
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on August 27, 2020, 03:38:41 am
I looked up his twitter feed.  If it's a parody, it's a really dedicated one.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on August 30, 2020, 01:19:36 am
a) Someone is angry that a celebrity has opinions about Trump.

b) What is it with these right-wingers in USA and ranting at a camera in their car?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFSZdlVsPVo
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on September 10, 2020, 01:24:35 am
a) Someone is angry that a celebrity has opinions about Trump.

b) What is it with these right-wingers in USA and ranting at a camera in their car?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFSZdlVsPVo

lmao the other day I saw a similar article on the wall street journal opinions page that was genuinely among one of the worst things I've ever read. It's so whiny https://www.wsj.com/articles/jim-gaffigan-donald-trump-and-the-death-of-laughter-11599247043
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on September 12, 2020, 11:45:47 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehw9C2vXkAImHHo?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Askold on September 13, 2020, 01:41:58 am
I saw this elsewhere and I remember thinking that "lesbianics" sounds like some sort of martial art or possibly a superpower.

Like the Biotics of Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ironbite on September 13, 2020, 06:23:19 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehw9C2vXkAImHHo?format=jpg&name=900x900)

That's a lot of words for "I don't have regular sex".
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: niam2023 on September 13, 2020, 11:18:17 pm
I saw this elsewhere and I remember thinking that "lesbianics" sounds like some sort of martial art or possibly a superpower.

Like the Biotics of Mass Effect.

"Back off, Thad, Viktoria here is a Master Class in Lesbianics."
"A MASTER CLASS!?"
"Yes, she is SO lesbian it lets her kick ass using the sheer power of her lesbianism as a martial art."
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on September 18, 2020, 11:11:19 pm
lesbianics slayed my sides.
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Skybison on April 09, 2021, 10:54:47 am
conservative humor

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c15be68782f0b5f83257df393073a9c21c8f6287bf3c8a81affca7827544ee83.jpg?w=600&h=230)
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: Cloud3514 on April 09, 2021, 10:19:14 pm
Don't you know, Bison? Domestic abuse is the very model of great hu-*vomits uncontrollably*
Title: Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
Post by: ryu238 on January 20, 2022, 12:53:00 pm
Here is someone on the farms whining that sjws clearly forced someone to apologize for an offensive joke..but gives no evidence: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/juan-ortiz-somecallmejohnny-the-supergamingbros.58968/post-5078744

""So you said something a fuckton of years ago that now we find offensive? bend the knee and ask for our forgiveness or perish."

Pretty much the whole LGBT\SJW community in general, fucking hell they're annoying. they're killing everything they can, the gaming industry is fucked, the movie industry is fucked beyond repair, the music industry is... fucking hell, does it exists anymore? You can't say or do shit without having these ones crying for a protest, because they're bored out of their mind since they have no life, and since they can't be happy, then nobody can.
I wish people would've silenced them back when they started being annoying instead of falsely agreeing."

I wonder why it is so important to see jokes as having no harm: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-38182-001

And they have no irony over their own behavior in demanding apologies from people they don't like: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Gamergate_claims#Gamergate_is_tolerant

This view that they were "forced" denies people making apologies any agency. Like they can't be refkective? And this assumes that there was nothing wrong with any joke in the first place, which they usually never bother justifying.

Oh and from that threads OP:"Of course the troon starts sperging asap. It would've been weird hearing some decent arguments from them. Also, isn't it ironic that he RTd a ResetEra thread?"

Right because discussing how problematic having a trans person not go through transitioning is "good" isn't rational?