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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: DiscoBerry on May 03, 2013, 04:03:22 pm
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I feel so old saying this but-I hope they just throw them in jail.
Libertarian activist and radio host Adam Kokesh is hoping to get 1,000 people to march on Washington on July 4 — armed with loaded rifles. The plan, launched with a Facebook group today, is to gather on the Virginia side of the Potomac, where gun laws are lax, and then march across the bridge with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders into the District, where openly carrying weapons is generally prohibited.
“This will be a non-violent event,” the Facebook group warns, “unless the government chooses to make it violent.” Already, over 200 people have said they’ll attend the march.
Message from the Facebook group:
On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.
The Leader:
Kokesh is a former Marine who was discharged in 2007 after violating the military’s code against engaging in political activity while in uniform. Kokesh was highly active in the antiwar movement after serving in Iraq, participating in numerous protests and getting arrested on occasion.
He started an anti-government radio show as the Tea Party picked up steam and was eventually picked up by RT, the news channel funded by the Russian government that is often critical of U.S. policy, where he promoted both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street in a worldview that some sociologists describe as “fusion paranoia,” a visceral anti-governmentalism that isn’t limited to typical left-right divides.
He ran into trouble when he endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 election, which led to an FEC complaint and his termination from RT, though employees have told me privately that there were other, darker issues.
Since then, he’s taken his show “Adam vs. The Man” to the Internet, and seems to have become increasingly radicalized. “It’s time to abolish the US federal government,” he tweeted yesterday. Today he tweeted this:
When the government comes to take your guns, you can shoot government agents, or submit to slavery.
— Adam Kokesh (@adamkokesh) May 3, 2013
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/03/a_march_on_washington_with_loaded_rifles/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/05/03/a_march_on_washington_with_loaded_rifles/)
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Yes, openly carry your weapons into an area where such a thing is prohibited. That'll do a whole lot of good.
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I love how the only freedom they seem concerned about is the freedom to carry dangerous weapons anywhere they please. I'd bet money that a minimum 90% of these people have said in the past that the police or government should shut down groups or protesters that they disagree with.
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What the fuck? This guy is fucking nuts! Ugh...these fucking people.
This guy is mentally diseased. He really needs to be put away before he fucking hurts someone. Those threats he made in his statements have me worried.
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This gon be good
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He apparently does not realize that civil disobedience ends when the protesters are armed with loaded weapons
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Par for the course for ideas emanating from this direction. Also, it's highly unlikely that this will occur.
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Isn't this how Mussolini got his start?
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This will end so very badly if it goes through.
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Isn't this how Mussolini got his start?
Hitler tried it too, didn't work real well for him though. Well, aside from time to write a book.
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So, basically, he's emulating the WBC: Arrange a protest that straddles the limits of the law and human decency, then smugly declare persecution when people inevitably feel threatened.
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This will be good. If his little group makes it violent, it'll be doubly good. These liebertarians will be hit so hard, they won't know what hit them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXm6F-K6Ffo
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Well, I cannot think of any way this could possibly go wrong.
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If this results in a fight, these asshats will be beaten so hard their grandchildren will be born bruised.
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They won't even be able to get into DC I'm betting. Police will have set up roadblocks everywhere they could possibly go.
Ironbite-that's even if they get as far as actually setting a date for this stupidity.
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So, basically, he's emulating the WBC: Arrange a protest that straddles the limits of the law and human decency, then smugly declare persecution when people inevitably feel threatened.
It's worse than that. The WBC at least stays enough on the right side of the law to avoid being arrested, and we're still too touchy about violating the First Amendment to find ways to legally bar them from protesting. These guys, on the other hand, are outright violating laws regarding the open carry of firearms. They'll just plain get arrested.
That's assuming that police react relatively peacefully, of course. Generally cops respond to someone brandishing a loaded weapon during an arrest by pointing a gun at them, shouting at them a few times, then shooting. As soon as they cross into an area where open carry is prohibited, they'll be lucky not to get outright gunned down.
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Political activism is nothing new for Kokesh. The former marine was discharged in 2007 for violating the military’s code prohibiting political activity while in uniform. Once discharged, Kokesh took to the radio to share his political views. He is highly active in the antiwar movement, and supports both Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party. (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/internet-radio-host-organizing-loaded-rifle-march-washington)
The amount of cognitive dissidence must be staggering.
LOL he was fired from that radio station, now just a lowly Youtube "celebrity." (http://georgedonnelly.com/libertarian/adam-vs-the-man-canceled) He was backed by Russian money too, pwnt by the FEC. (http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/fec-complaint.pdf)
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Libertarian activist and radio host Adam Kokesh is hoping to get 1,000 people to march on Washington on July 4 — armed with loaded rifles. The plan, launched with a Facebook group today, is to gather on the Virginia side of the Potomac, where gun laws are lax, and then march across the bridge with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders into the District, where openly carrying weapons is generally prohibited.
“This will be a non-violent event,” the Facebook group warns, “unless the government chooses to make it violent.” Already, over 200 people have said they’ll attend the march.
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In other words, they plan on trying to provoke a response, encourage a violent response, and if there's violence blame other people.
Isn't that the same strategy the westboro baptist church does?
Oh wait, patches already noticed that too.
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Either they're not going to go through with this, or they will go through with this and it will end badly.
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Calling it now, 5 people are going to show up.
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Political and social fallout from police pointing guns at, and especially shooting at, these yahoos would be toxic. I would hope that a nice array of LTL riot control devices are used instead. Laser dazzlers, and concentrated ultra loudspeaker squeals...then, if they don't leave, or fire off their weapons, slap 'em down with fire hoses. These devices are nasty, but I've been tear gassed before at a protest, and can say that is not something you wanna feel, either. Sucks when it's your side getting hosed (literally), but that is the chance you take when you march in the streets, no matter the cause. Cops don't hold back when you push their buttons.
http://www.laserdazzler.net/ (http://www.laserdazzler.net/)
(http://i.imgur.com/xv5kXO0.jpg)
http://disinfo.com/2009/11/vancouver-police-will-use-lrad-for-crowd-control/#sthash.gM1y18qy.dpbs (http://disinfo.com/2009/11/vancouver-police-will-use-lrad-for-crowd-control/#sthash.gM1y18qy.dpbs)
(http://i.imgur.com/eEqVhHY.jpg)
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I have two words that will shut down this protest:
BRIDGE OUT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXm6F-K6Ffo
I see your Frieza and raise you a Space Ghost!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6-dE9o9U_A
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thiswillendwell.jpg
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This also seems to be the mentality of rape apologists.
When something bad happens, they blame the victims for not protecting themselves enough.
Then they go out and start waving their piece around, and act all offended when people take their earlier advice and interpret it as a hostile act.
So, apparently, to prevent mass shootings, we need to foster a mentality that if we see people walk into crowded areas with loaded weapons, we should not immediately assume they're dangerous.
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Political and social fallout from police pointing guns at, and especially shooting at, these yahoos would be toxic. I would hope that a nice array of LTL riot control devices are used instead. Laser dazzlers, and concentrated ultra loudspeaker squeals...then, if they don't leave, or fire off their weapons, slap 'em down with fire hoses. These devices are nasty, but I've been tear gassed before at a protest, and can say that is not something you wanna feel, either. Sucks when it's your side getting hosed (literally), but that is the chance you take when you march in the streets, no matter the cause. Cops don't hold back when you push their buttons.
The problem is that not only does using less-lethal weapons on a large group of individuals approaching you with firearms go against police procedure, but it may just incite the "protesters" to open fire themselves. Even if it doesn't, all it takes is one idiot with his finger on the trigger and the safety off to get blasted in the eye by a dazzler and accidentally shoot the person next to him and you've got the biggest firefight on US soil since the Civil War.
If this protest actually goes forward, the only way they'll be able to non-violently stop it is set up roadblocks with armed police and hope that they stay on the "legal to open carry" side of the border.
Of course, that's assuming any of these whackjobs are so willing to die for their cause that they would actually show up with loaded guns and intentionally provoke other people with guns. As crazy as their beliefs are, I doubt most of them are legitimately "crazy". It takes a lot to get someone willing to die for what they believe in.
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I wonder - even though these would be rifles, not handguns, in the open carry march, does DC count as a "state" in the "transporting arms across state borders" regs? Mind you, this is just a legal nitpick, but something to toss out as a discouragement to these protesters (should this gig ever occur). And since DC forbids open carry as well, is there a possible Federal violation in crossing from Virginia into DC armed like that?
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I wonder - even though these would be rifles, not handguns, in the open carry march, does DC count as a "state" in the "transporting arms across state borders" regs? Mind you, this is just a legal nitpick, but something to toss out as a discouragement to these protesters (should this gig ever occur). And since DC forbids open carry as well, is there a possible Federal violation in crossing from Virginia into DC armed like that?
The laws regarding transport of arms across state lines is mostly a matter of "Do you violate state laws the way that you're carrying them?" A state that bans the open carry of any firearm and requires it to be locked away from all ammo in the trunk will arrest you if you come over from a state that allows you to leave a loaded gun on the passenger seat. You may be thinking of regulations regarding interstate SALE of firearms. That's a federal thing.
Also, I don't think it's a federal violation. DC has its own laws similar to a regular state. They'll be violating the laws of Washington, DC, but not anything federal. Unless they either go WAY too far and take potshots toward the White House or someone finds a small federal law that I don't know anything about that manages to apply.
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Dump a load of well fermented semi-liquid pig and chicken manure across the entire length of the bridge a good 18" deep. Remember to grease the road and mix marbles in with the manure. On the Washington side place a well armored gatehouse with an intercom and a rotating slot that can accommodate a rifle, a metal detector, and a full height turnstile that completely blocks the road and a sign saying "Welcome to Washington, please check your guns at the gate."
Edit: just noticed that this is my 666th post. How appropriate.
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But...
There are several problems with this idea but I want to discuss one of them: If guns are prohibited in the area they are going to march into, what do they think will happen?
They are not "defending their rights," they have the right to carry those guns in other areas but not the ones that are specifically banned.
They have specifically declared their intent to do something illegal.
If they had decided to do the same march onto some location where they can carry weapons I would be ok with this. I'd still think that it is stupid and irresponsible, but this is a whole new level of insane. If they actually really do break the law then the police must stop them, otherwise it would give the signal that if you want to do something illegal all you need to do is grab a gun and the police won't stop you...
And that whole "if they try to stop us we will peacefully leave etc." Really? Do you think this will get you support? 1'000 (well 200 at the moment) libertarian gun nuts make some passive agressive threats and threaten with implied violence if they are not allowed to break the law? You are not being opressed, if the goverment stops a brigade of armed lunatics from walking to the front of the white house this is not opression, it's the only sensible answer to your threats.
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I should point out as well that despite my advocacy of gun rights, I don't really advocate open carry except in areas where carrying firearms is expected (like in the wilderness or rural areas). You can draw a concealed weapon just as fast as an unconcealed one if you bother to practice, and a rifle or shotgun is simply impractical for daily carry anyway. It would be less stupid if they were just going to have a mass day where legal CCW holders carry in a state or city that doesn't let them do it (though breaking gun laws purely to prove a point is still a stupid thing and is more likely to get even more restrictive laws put in place in retaliation), but now they're doing something that's just plain ridiculous.
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I should point out as well that despite my advocacy of gun rights, I don't really advocate open carry except in areas where carrying firearms is expected (like in the wilderness or rural areas). You can draw a concealed weapon just as fast as an unconcealed one if you bother to practice, and a rifle or shotgun is simply impractical for daily carry anyway. It would be less stupid if they were just going to have a mass day where legal CCW holders carry in a state or city that doesn't let them do it (though breaking gun laws purely to prove a point is still a stupid thing and is more likely to get even more restrictive laws put in place in retaliation), but now they're doing something that's just plain ridiculous.
I support open carry laws but I do not advocate open carry nor would I practice it myself. My reasoning stems from the laws in my home state prior to the passing of open carry here. If a person was carrying concealed and their firearm became visible at any time they were not having to draw it to defend themselves, it was a felony. Reaching up onto a high shelf at the store, shirt rides up and shows your pistol? Felony. Walking along, wind blows your jacket open and shows your pistol? Felony. Kneel down and the grip of your firearm makes a bulge in your shirt? Felony. Your firearm leaves an imprint in your shirt as you're moving or just sitting? Felony. Yes, seriously, they were that strict. Now that my state has passed an open carry law, those provisions have been done away with. And what surprised me is that the law went into effect in November, but it seems very few people are actually carrying openly. I believe that only one of the people I've seen openly carrying a firearm was a private citizen.
As to the article itself, I find myself taking a wait and see approach. I'm just not sure if it's good or bad, one way or the other, I just hope no one gets hurt.
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My problem with open carry of handguns is that while some say it will act as a deterrent, it may also incite an especially ruthless or insane criminal/shooter to simply shoot you first during a robbery or attack to get rid of a potential threat.
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So he's a pro tea party, pro occupy, anti-war, pro semi automatic death machines for everybody everywhere proprietary and common sense be buggered, wave guns in the face of a bunch of nervous coppers kind of dude?
I haven't heard of such a walking human-shaped blob of contradiction, rage and confusion since the Bay Area National Anarchists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-Anarchism)!
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So he's a pro tea party, pro occupy, anti-war, pro semi automatic death machines for everybody everywhere proprietary and common sense be buggered, wave guns in the face of a bunch of nervous coppers kind of dude?
I haven't heard of such a walking human-shaped blob of contradiction, rage and confusion since the Bay Area National Anarchists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-Anarchism)!
Actually, his type isn't that rare among the Ron Paul fan base.
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So he's a pro tea party, pro occupy, anti-war, pro semi automatic death machines for everybody everywhere proprietary and common sense be buggered, wave guns in the face of a bunch of nervous coppers kind of dude?
I haven't heard of such a walking human-shaped blob of contradiction, rage and confusion since the Bay Area National Anarchists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-Anarchism)!
It's actually not unusual for conspiracy types to hold conflicting beliefs, and even believe conflicting theories. Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=moon-landing-faked-why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories&WT.mc_id=SA_WR_20130501
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Hai guyz, I just had an awesome idea for how to stop them:
Magnets.
We mount super-powerful magnets along the bridge, so their guns get pulled away!
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Hai guyz, I just had an awesome idea for how to stop them:
Magnets.
We mount super-powerful magnets along the bridge, so their guns get pulled away!
Just imagine if even one of them has a Prince Albert.
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Hai guyz, I just had an awesome idea for how to stop them:
Magnets.
We mount super-powerful magnets along the bridge, so their guns get pulled away!
Just imagine if even one of them has a Prince Albert.
OW.
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Hai guyz, I just had an awesome idea for how to stop them:
Magnets.
We mount super-powerful magnets along the bridge, so their guns get pulled away!
Just imagine if even one of them has a Prince Albert.
I am suddenly all for magnets.
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Hai guyz, I just had an awesome idea for how to stop them:
Magnets.
We mount super-powerful magnets along the bridge, so their guns get pulled away!
Just imagine if even one of them has a Prince Albert.
What is a Prince Albert?
EDIT: Found it. And yes, OW.
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Hai guyz, I just had an awesome idea for how to stop them:
Magnets.
We mount super-powerful magnets along the bridge, so their guns get pulled away!
Just imagine if even one of them has a Prince Albert.
What is a Prince Albert?
A piercing that makes men discourage people from sitting in their lap.
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(token old worlder)
what the hell is wrong with these people? marching at battalion strength on to the capital? actually daring the police to (rightfully) stop them? i'd get the gesture if the weapons were unloaded, but this is borderline suicide, and fully-fledged madness!
(/token old worlder)
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(token old worlder)
what the hell is wrong with these people? marching at battalion strength on to the capital? actually daring the police to (rightfully) stop them? i'd get the gesture if the weapons were unloaded, but this is borderline suicide, and fully-fledged madness!
(/token old worlder)
Even with unloaded guns, it's police procedure to treat all weapons as if they're loaded (and often as if they're ready to be turned on the police, innocents, and/or the user at any second). You MAY avoid a problem if it's something like an AR-15 with a missing magazine and you've got an orange tip on it, but the cops will still at least stop and question you. Normally the first response police have to someone approaching with what appears to be a firearm is to point their real, loaded guns at them and scream until they drop it and get on the ground.
If this really does end up with an army of rednecks with loaded rifles marching toward a police barricade, the cops are well within their legal right to shoot every one of them dead. It'll obviously cause a gigantic shitstorm, but they could do it and it would be following procedure.
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that's sad, chit'. i really hope they don't go through with this, the last thing the usa needs is another bloodbath. :(
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I'm still curious what has to be wrong with you to consider this a good idea.
Also torn on if this ranks as better or worse than the guys carrying rifles to counter protest a gathering against illegal guns. On one hand it's massed stupidity, on the other it actually has a visible goal. That goal may be getting themselves killed or starting a large fire fight, but it's still a goal.
It's one thing to want the right to own a gun, but this is just a real special variety of stupid.
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that's sad, chit'. i really hope they don't go through with this, the last thing the usa needs is another bloodbath. :(
I agree. Especially with the political fallout that'll occur if it goes violent.
I'm still curious what has to be wrong with you to consider this a good idea.
Also torn on if this ranks as better or worse than the guys carrying rifles to counter protest a gathering against illegal guns. On one hand it's massed stupidity, on the other it actually has a visible goal. That goal may be getting themselves killed or starting a large fire fight, but it's still a goal.
It's one thing to want the right to own a gun, but this is just a real special variety of stupid.
They're loonies, but we have to wonder just HOW crazy they are. It's one thing to talk about wanting to march up to Obama with a loaded gun to threaten him into following your politics, but it's another thing to DO it. These guys can't be so dumb that they don't realize that they're risking their lives if they go through with it. It takes balls, extreme stupidity, or downright insanity to load a gun and start stomping toward a line of armed police officers while effectively daring them to try and take you down. I don't think most of these guys are dumb, crazy, or brave enough to take that risk.
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The event is up to 2,805 participants now. Wonder how many will actually show?
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I'm sure very few will show. It's easy to sign up for something online and feel badass, like you're supporting your cause, but not many people actually follow through.
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Let's hope you're right. If they even get a few hundred to show up it could turn bad quickly.
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If this actually happens, and inevitably gets violent, who wants to hit up a bar and watch it on the news with me? We'll take a shot for each shot fired.
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If this actually happens, and inevitably gets violent, who wants to hit up a bar and watch it on the news with me? We'll take a shot for each shot fired.
That is possibly the saddest win/"win" scenario I ever came across; if nobody gets hurt, you just have a good time out with friends.....if people get hurt, you can all drown your bitter sorrow with booze together.
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If this actually happens, and inevitably gets violent, who wants to hit up a bar and watch it on the news with me? We'll take a shot for each shot fired.
Police procedure is to fire until the person they're shooting at is on the ground and no longer moving, and possibly for a while after that just to make sure that they won't get up again. You'll die.
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I'm sure very few will show. It's easy to sign up for something online and feel badass, like you're supporting your cause, but not many people actually follow through.
I have to say I agree. I bet most of the people that signed up to march probably have never left the county they live in. (County meaning 2nd smallest municipal level-for you old-worlders)
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bumping for freshness, any new info on this shitstorm?
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Well, one of the more frequent commenters on the FB page left this wonderful gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmOD8bbxH7U
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Well, one of the more frequent commenters on the FB page left this wonderful gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmOD8bbxH7U
I watched 2 seconds of it, I got through "I respect everybody till they earn my disrespect" and I realized why he has that stylish nose thingy - it's not a breathe-right strip. It's because he's been schnoz-shanked so many times his nose is more broken than Owen Wilson's
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Intellectually challenged and mentally ill.....hope he doesn't go to the march.
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How many teeth left has he got?
Talk about a redneck caricature...
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And the plot thickens, sort of:
Adam Kokesh, the libertarian talk show host and activist who encouraged gun owners to march on Washington with loaded guns this July 4, was arrested in Philadelphia on Saturday while participating in a "Smoke Down Prohibition" rally, according to his staff. Kokesh is being held at a federal detention center on charges of resisting arrest and will go before a judge at 1:30 p.m. Monday.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/05/20/adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/05/20/adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally)
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The campaign to free him should be named "Free Adam From DA MAN."
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And the plot thickens, sort of:
Adam Kokesh, the libertarian talk show host and activist who encouraged gun owners to march on Washington with loaded guns this July 4, was arrested in Philadelphia on Saturday while participating in a "Smoke Down Prohibition" rally, according to his staff. Kokesh is being held at a federal detention center on charges of resisting arrest and will go before a judge at 1:30 p.m. Monday.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/05/20/adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/05/20/adam-kokesh-arrested-at-marijuana-rally)
Darn! Why must these nuts also be on the pro-pot side? I believe in "LEGALIZE IT", too but to have these gun-toting right-wing nuts in that camp is disconcerting to say the least.
They act like they could use a bit of good green bud, a LOT of it! They need to mellow out!
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It can make you paranoid all over again, like a pot newbie, if you smoke too much too often. And if you have certain pre-existing brain chemistry issues or psychological problems, pot can make them worse. That said, it's a "hitler ate sugar thing"; these dudes probably love dogs and cats and kids and w/e, as well.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f1_1368996779 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f1_1368996779)
There is video of his arrest and what appears to be someone planting something in his pocket. The video is very blurry though and it hard to tell.
Of course conspiracy nuts will jump all over this regardless.
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I watched it and the longer clip with several other video viewpoints and it looks like a very sloppy job of planting something on Kokesh. That is fucked up. I don't think his planned march on Washington is worth the danger it places everybody in, and I don't agree with a lot of his political views, but he is a fellow American. What is shown in that video is disturbingly suspicious and probably nothing legitimate.
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I watched it and the longer clip with several other video viewpoints and it looks like a very sloppy job of planting something on Kokesh. That is fucked up. I don't think his planned march on Washington is worth the danger it places everybody in, and I don't agree with a lot of his political views, but he is a fellow American. What is shown in that video is disturbingly suspicious and probably nothing legitimate.
As much of a freak as he is, he doesn't deserve to be framed and deserves to be treated fairly.
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I watched it and the longer clip with several other video viewpoints and it looks like a very sloppy job of planting something on Kokesh. That is fucked up. I don't think his planned march on Washington is worth the danger it places everybody in, and I don't agree with a lot of his political views, but he is a fellow American. What is shown in that video is disturbingly suspicious and probably nothing legitimate.
I just watched it and I don't see it.
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I find it strange that when clicking that link for the second time today, it leads to a different site than it did the first time I clicked. Anyway, here is the site and the video I watched earlier today.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=832_1368988614 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=832_1368988614)
Kokesh is in a suit jacket, another arrestee keeps straining to get his right hand behind Kokesh's back, trying to access his rear pants pocket under the jacket. Oddly, that arrestee is not stopped or hindered from doing this by the officer who has his left arm restrained. Then suddenly the arrestee pulls his right hand away, along with his left arm, which is let go by the cop. There is a brief glimpse just prior to this where Kokeshes rear jacket flap is about to fall back down across his pants pockets.
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So the guy who's supposedly trying to plant something is one of the people getting arrested? That doesn't sound like a government job to get him imprisoned. That sounds more like an asshole buddy trying to shove some of his own drugs into his "friend's" pocket so it can't be pinned on him.
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So the guy who's supposedly trying to plant something is one of the people getting arrested? That doesn't sound like a government job to get him imprisoned. That sounds more like an asshole buddy trying to shove some of his own drugs into his "friend's" pocket so it can't be pinned on him.
[conspiracy]He and his friend planned this out so he could claim the evil government set him up in order to silence him.[/conspiracy]
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So the guy who's supposedly trying to plant something is one of the people getting arrested? That doesn't sound like a government job to get him imprisoned. That sounds more like an asshole buddy trying to shove some of his own drugs into his "friend's" pocket so it can't be pinned on him.
[conspiracy]He and his friend planned this out so he could claim the evil government set him up in order to silence him.[/conspiracy]
[conspiracy]That "friend" is an undercover coverment agent who is trying to make him look bad by planting drugs or something on him.[/conspiracy]
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So the guy who's supposedly trying to plant something is one of the people getting arrested? That doesn't sound like a government job to get him imprisoned. That sounds more like an asshole buddy trying to shove some of his own drugs into his "friend's" pocket so it can't be pinned on him.
[conspiracy]He and his friend planned this out so he could claim the evil government set him up in order to silence him.[/conspiracy]
[conspiracy]That "friend" is an undercover coverment agent who is trying to make him look bad by planting drugs or something on him.[/conspiracy]
[conspiracy]The liebral media isn't reporting the truth because they're in bed with the gubmint. A king-sized bed for their democrap orgies. They already done came and took my turkey out of the oven and tried to pin these outlandish murder charges on me. What, turkeys are people now? Is that why he pardoned one? Turkey rights? Fucking Obama, when will it end?![/conspiracy]
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I've got to admit, it looks more like conspiracy to fondle than anything else. Though I will admit I can't think of a good reason to grab onto someone's jacket tail like that.
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Or its an undercover cop trying t grab his belt in order to control his range of movement.
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[Conspiracy]Obama has a weather dominator[/conspiracy]
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I cannot vouch for this pic from Facebook (anyone that is good at spotting a photoshop chime in) but it seems the free Adam Kokesh website was registered before he was arrested.
(http://i.imgur.com/nHLeAha.jpg)
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So it was anticipated?
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I cannot vouch for this pic from Facebook (anyone that is good at spotting a photoshop chime in) but it seems the free Adam Kokesh website was registered before he was arrested.
(http://i.imgur.com/nHLeAha.jpg)
No need to check for photoshop, anyone can run a whois search (http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=BXalrK4RDKT7+k2qt3o/v16fiKgEn04G8ufwU3MZRuQtde07Q7N7FsXC+08aygLneBznZUUzIHc=&domain=freeadamkokesh.com&prog_id=GoDaddy). It does seem like the information is reliable.
Which is odd, to say the least.
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Let me try to get this straight. It is very possible this guy conspired to get himself arrested with his friend 'conspiring' against him in a video, so it seems that the government was conspiring to silence him before he could do his march that he was conspiring to do, and naturally, hundreds of alternate conspiracy theories spring up in the aftermath. I think we've reached a new meta-level of conspiracy theory here.
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... That would be the most retarded thing ever.
If anything, I'd guess it's godaddy's way of sucking a few extra bucks out of registrants. Back date purchases slightly, or it's a timezone difference, servers on the otherside of the planet, or it could be a straight fuck up. I generally check incompetence and greed before diving into conspiracy.
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Someone probably anticipated him getting arrested at the march. This guy getting arrested isn't a new thing.
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... That would be the most retarded thing ever.
If anything, I'd guess it's godaddy's way of sucking a few extra bucks out of registrants. Back date purchases slightly, or it's a timezone difference, servers on the otherside of the planet, or it could be a straight fuck up. I generally check incompetence and greed before diving into conspiracy.
The difference in time is about 6 days, so it's not time-zones. Everything else remains a possibility, so yeah, let's not jump into conspiracy right away.
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... That would be the most retarded thing ever.
If anything, I'd guess it's godaddy's way of sucking a few extra bucks out of registrants. Back date purchases slightly, or it's a timezone difference, servers on the otherside of the planet, or it could be a straight fuck up. I generally check incompetence and greed before diving into conspiracy.
What do you expect from one of the few websites to support SOPA?
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Someone probably anticipated him getting arrested at the march. This guy getting arrested isn't a new thing.
This. The guy was planning an illegal march. There was always a good chance he'd get arrested. Someone probably just got the domain ahead of time just in case.
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So bit of an update. Kokesh has since been http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/adam-kokesh-released-2660398.html]released (http://[1) from prison, but before doing so released an interesting statement (http://12160.info/page/adam-kokesh-calls-on-american-revolutionary-army-to-march-on-50-s). Particularly interesting is this statement:
"Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible."
He's also changed the FB page for the event to "The Final American Revolution."
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So bit of an update. Kokesh has since been http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/adam-kokesh-released-2660398.html]released (http://[1) from prison, but before doing so released an interesting statement (http://12160.info/page/adam-kokesh-calls-on-american-revolutionary-army-to-march-on-50-s). Particularly interesting is this statement:
"Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible."
He's also changed the FB page for the event to "The Final American Revolution."
Oh goody, here comes violence. How....expected
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This should be good.
This should be enjoyable.
I might decide to find my way out there purely to watch. Kokesh's little brigade really do think that they will get out of provoking violence alive...the Tea Party truly does think owning a gun makes you a badass.
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Wow...this guy has gone way off the deep end. I used to watch him a few years ago because he was one of the few people criticizing both parties for the government's overreach with things like wiretapping and indefinite detention of American citizens without trial, but I stopped after he started appearing on Alex Jones with Mark Dice.
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I don't think I'll go watch that event unfold when it does happen. After all, one should never stand near an idiot hurling shit at an armed man.
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Just so you know, this protest was sponsored by Alex Jones. Also, Adam Kokesh is too crazy even for Rick Wiles. http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/05/26/wingnut-on-wingnut-crime-wiles-vs-jones/ (http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/05/26/wingnut-on-wingnut-crime-wiles-vs-jones/)
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So bit of an update. Kokesh has since been http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/adam-kokesh-released-2660398.html]released (http://[1) from prison, but before doing so released an interesting statement (http://12160.info/page/adam-kokesh-calls-on-american-revolutionary-army-to-march-on-50-s). Particularly interesting is this statement:
"Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible."
He's also changed the FB page for the event to "The Final American Revolution."
Let's nuke ourselves some Orville Reddenbacher, grab the Milk Duds & Sno-Caps, get a few cold ones & watch the fur fly!
IN THIS CORNER....A bunch of Jim-Bobs from Dogpatch!
aaaannd....
IN THIS CORNER....All of The Armed Forces, The National Guard, The Coast Guard, The Police, armed with gazillions of dollars of the most over-the-top military hardware on the market today!
And remember....Tealibans are big on military spending & our military a recipient of BOATLOADS of it! "Hoisted By Their Own Petards", anyone?
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And remember, our military has laser beams. LASER BEAMS. Which means they could, literally, act like that kid with the magnifying glass and pop Tea Partiers left and right with tech that only exists thanks to the excess money they poured into the Defense Budget.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/30/activist-cancels-plans-armed-march-washington/
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/29/adam-kokesh-calls-off-armed-march-on-dc-in-favo/194259
Looks like he chickened out on the initial plan. Good thing too because that could have ended REALLY badly.
Although, I'm not sure if his new plan is even dumber than the original one.
"A new American revolution" where "the American Revolutionary Army will march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property." Kokesh also gave the federal government a one-year deadline to comply with his demands before possibly taking violent action, writing, "Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible."
So, he went from "this will be a peaceful protest, honestly" to "do what we say or we shoot you." Well, I suppose it is only a matter of time before the next revolution in USA comes.
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Well, I suppose it is only a matter of time before the next revolution in USA comes.
And is squashed like a bug under a dump truck and in less time than it takes to order Chinese food for 7.
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I'm pretty sure he's not aware of this but the United States has one response to this letter.
Ironbite-tried for treason.
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I'm pretty sure he's not aware of this but the United States has one response to this letter.
Ironbite-tried for treason.
Not necessarily. It's legally gray as to whether or not he "owes allegiance to the United States" simply by being a citizen, which would be a requirement for actually being convicted of treason. They wouldn't really need to anyways, since actually starting and/or engaging in a revolution would include a ridiculous number of crimes that he could have applied until he's in prison until his bones are dust.
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Can he be tried for Sedition? IE: incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority.
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Actually yeah. He'd be charged with sedition and treason.
Ironbite-along with a host of other things.
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