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The Lounge / Re: Anything Good Happen Today?
« Last post by RavynousHunter on October 16, 2018, 10:13:28 pm »
You know...Japan makes a damn fine beer.  Sapporo isn't quite as good as Guinness, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it damn near as much.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by dpareja on October 16, 2018, 08:32:17 pm »
How can a finite being, whose actions have finite effects, sin meaningfully against an infinite being?

Because it is an infinite offense to disobey the laws of an infinite being who is our creator.

Divine command theory at its finest.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Art Vandelay on October 16, 2018, 08:01:56 pm »
But him interfering with the choices people make would be interfering with their free will. The concept of sin is not arbitrary. Sin is an act of disobedience towards God.
Taking this bullshit seriously is an act of disobedience towards reality.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on October 16, 2018, 07:45:58 pm »
How can a finite being, whose actions have finite effects, sin meaningfully against an infinite being?

Because it is an infinite offense to disobey the laws of an infinite being who is our creator.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on October 16, 2018, 07:43:46 pm »
But as I said before, God is omniscient by being beyond time meaning that he observes people making decisions which has no effect on people’s decisions. His rule set of the wages of sin being death is a fair rule, given that sin is a serious crime against God, making the genocide of the Canaanites justified.
As I said before, that's bullshit. Regardless of the specific mechanics of decision making, he created humans himself knowing full well the choices they would make, all while being perfectly able to have create them differently, should he prefer they make a different set of choices. That means he's responsible for everything humans do. "It's different because free will" ain't gonna fly. Furthermore, the concept of sin is completely arbitrary. It's nothing more than "I'm going to kill and torture you because I want to and it's totally fine and dandy because I say it is". If it's bullshit when, say Pinnochet does it, it's no different for your magical space wizard.

Of course, God could be the most perfect example of morality in literature and it wouldn't make him not be fictional. So, this whole line of inquiry is completely unnecessary.

But him interfering with the choices people make would be interfering with their free will. The concept of sin is not arbitrary. Sin is an act of disobedience towards God.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by dpareja on October 16, 2018, 07:30:22 pm »
How can a finite being, whose actions have finite effects, sin meaningfully against an infinite being?
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Art Vandelay on October 16, 2018, 07:25:48 pm »
But Josephus’ writings also confirmed the biblical event of Jesus being crucified under Pontius Pilate, as well as the biblical characters John the Baptist, and the Apostle James. So it confirms that the Gospel accounts are true.
That's like saying L Ron Hubbard and his mates are real people who did things, therefore Xenu and thetans are real.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Art Vandelay on October 16, 2018, 07:23:52 pm »
But as I said before, God is omniscient by being beyond time meaning that he observes people making decisions which has no effect on people’s decisions. His rule set of the wages of sin being death is a fair rule, given that sin is a serious crime against God, making the genocide of the Canaanites justified.
As I said before, that's bullshit. Regardless of the specific mechanics of decision making, he created humans himself knowing full well the choices they would make, all while being perfectly able to have create them differently, should he prefer they make a different set of choices. That means he's responsible for everything humans do. "It's different because free will" ain't gonna fly. Furthermore, the concept of sin is completely arbitrary. It's nothing more than "I'm going to kill and torture you because I want to and it's totally fine and dandy because I say it is". If it's bullshit when, say Pinnochet does it, it's no different for your magical space wizard.

Of course, God could be the most perfect example of morality in literature and it wouldn't make him not be fictional. So, this whole line of inquiry is completely unnecessary.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on October 16, 2018, 07:12:43 pm »
Because the many proofs that Christianity is true proves that the Bible is true.

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proof
noun
evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement

You haven't done this, not with one of your annoying "proofs" at best you've presented arguments for the plausibility of some sections of the biblical record "proving that the Bible is true" would require establishing that the world was five thousand years old, that there was in fact a world wide flood, that the Exodus happened, that you could repeatedly and blatantly break the laws of conservation of mass and energy, that you could cure leprosy by fondling someone and that you could revive someone scourged, stabbed, starved, dehydrated and nailed on a cross to die and that the person could gain the powers of flight. The task of "proving" the "Bible is true" requires nothing more or less than establishing the fact of every single statement in that contradictory mass of fables, legends, laws and lineages. The task of proving Christianity true requires you to prove things that are impossible to prove like predictions of the future. You have not done any of these things, you can not do them as it is impossible.
I gave many proofs that Jesus Christ is real as well as Christian miracles, thus proving Christianity, and the Bible.
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No, the killer has to give proof that God ordered for the killing to happen.

Why should I believe the killers in the Old Testament had any proof?  All we have to go on is some books written long after the fact by their fan boys.

I don't see any reason not to think they were lying.

Because the many proofs that Christianity is true proves that the Bible is true.

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God is our creator so he obviously makes rules for his creation to follow. 

Why?

Because he’s our creator so he wants us to worship him and obey him.
No mate, morality applies to all or it's worthless. At least admit that even if you don't agree with my statement that you won't convince anybody here, as evidenced by your utter failure to convince anybody with the same tired crap you keep piling on and no, you can't get us to by into your religion by sheer persistence. This isn't a Hollywood Rom Com.

Go back to your fetishes and fantasies, your missionary work is boring and pointless!

God’s moral system applies to all. Everyone’s a sinner which is why God sent his son to sacrifice himself to atone for our sins so that we can be saved if we confess our sins and have faith and do good works.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: More proof that Christianity is true.
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on October 16, 2018, 07:07:33 pm »
He gives humans free will. Unfortunately humans use their free will to commit sin. God is our creator so he obviously makes rules for his creation to follow. 
As we've been over before, that's a bullshit excuse. If he's all knowing, he knew full well what every last human to ever exist was going to do over the course of their lives, from the moment of creation. Not to mention, even if he didn't, he's perfectly capable of creating a rule set that doesn't involve genocide and mass torture solely for the crime of existing has he supposedly created as to exist in the first place.

Of course, it's all bullshit in the first place. Thinking this character is a good guy is one thing, believing he actually exists is a whole other level of retardation.

But as I said before, God is omniscient by being beyond time meaning that he observes people making decisions which has no effect on people’s decisions. His rule set of the wages of sin being death is a fair rule, given that sin is a serious crime against God, making the genocide of the Canaanites justified.
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