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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2012, 01:12:51 am »
Secondly, is this really happening?  A feminist analysis of fucking video games?  They're a mass-market consumer product.  Of course there are going to be sexist stereotypes.  Hyper-masculine men and hyper-feminine women are obvious exaggerations; they are fantasy and escapism.  Fantasy and escapism are what sells.


So? That doesn't mean it's a good thing and should be pointed out and examined. Although FF would hardly be my choice to do such thing...
I'd be more sympathetic if people here didn't act like they knew what they were saying when they were saying something very much wrong.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2012, 01:13:01 am »
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Fpqxz, you might consider it a waste of time, but as a female gamer who's done cultural studies, I find this sort of stuff interesting. Guess what I want to do in the next ten years - I want to study the intersection of autism and internet pop culture as personified by Christian Weston Chandler, a.k.a. Chris-Chan/Sonichu, for my PhD... Because I'm autistic and I <3 the internet. Is that a waste of time? To you, maybe, but not to me.

It's this sort of study which can lead to changing attitudes...

BTW, I love Dragon Age and its treatment of metal armours. The leather stuff is... fetishist... on both genders... You should see the Chasind robes on either male or female... LOL.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2012, 01:33:17 am »
Secondly, is this really happening?  A feminist analysis of fucking video games?  They're a mass-market consumer product.  Of course there are going to be sexist stereotypes.  Hyper-masculine men and hyper-feminine women are obvious exaggerations; they are fantasy and escapism.  Fantasy and escapism are what sells.
Look at it this way, if your hobby of choice was dominated by moronic dumbfucks that not only could spew their verbal shit as much as they liked with absolutely no consequences, but also made up the majority of the market, then you'd no doubt welcome any serious effort to reverse this trend, right? That's exactly what's happening here. This girl's just trying to send a message to the games industry that she and a lot of others (considering her kickstarter ended up raising more than 10 times the intended amount) in fact do not want the games they're producing and want more regulation of online communities. In a nutshell, it's just consumers telling business what they want.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2012, 01:44:17 am »
Look at it this way, if your hobby of choice was dominated by moronic dumbfucks that not only could spew their verbal shit as much as they liked with absolutely no consequences, but also made up the majority of the market, then you'd no doubt welcome any serious effort to reverse this trend, right? That's exactly what's happening here. This girl's just trying to send a message to the games industry that she and a lot of others (considering her kickstarter ended up raising more than 10 times the intended amount) in fact do not want the games they're producing are not what a good chunk of the market wants. In a nutshell, it's just consumers telling business what they want.

Well, in that case, I wish her the best of luck in her endeavors.  What more can I really say?   :-\
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2012, 01:47:34 am »
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That is another problem that will continue until it becomes profitable for the operators of these networks to stop it, or until the government starts more closely regulating online gameplay (though I am not convinced that the latter would necessarily be a great option).

Like I said in the chat,  I'd love for there to be a law for online gaming similar to the laws which only allow a kid to buy a M rated game if an adult is there.  Make it like Second Life where you either need payment info or a age authenticator done by you or your parent.

Quite frankly, alot of these comments are done by kids who don't even know how to talk to girls in real life let alone on the internet and need to learn social skills.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2012, 02:25:24 am »
...I stated in the OP I don't think this warrants all the crap and hate she is getting.  But also the fact that she is wearing the feminist banner doesn't help her cause either.  If I was her I would of dropped the whole feminist act and just stated the main point - female gamer sexism -.

Can't see how being a feminist hurts someones credentials if they want to speak out against sexism.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2012, 03:32:57 am »
Like I said in the chat,  I'd love for there to be a law for online gaming similar to the laws which only allow a kid to buy a M rated game if an adult is there.  Make it like Second Life where you either need payment info or a age authenticator done by you or your parent.

The thing is, most stores are actually required often by law to not sell age inappropriate games to children. The unfortunate part is that most of the time adults buy the games, and the kids just get to play them. A store clerk cannot stop an adult from purchasing an M rated game. Unfortunately many parents ask what is popular and are generally pointed towards the more mature stuff, which they then buy, for their children.

The issue of sexism in video games is very real though, yes it is there on both sides but women are disproportionately affected. There have been a number of times while playing games I have been made uncomfortable with how the women characters are portrayed. Also finding a real strong lead female character is really rare. I have seen some but most are these gratuitous bad girl women who flaunt their sexuality, which to me is really not a strong female lead. So many lack and depth of character.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2012, 07:25:10 am »
For an example of a positive female lead in gaming, I think I'd go with Terra from Final Fantasy 6.  No, she's not a strong, tsundere badass, but that's the point.  That a female character can still be decidedly feminine yet avoid being relegated to an "object" status.

Terra starts the game very meek and unsure of herself and is more or less the McGuffin of the first act.  Most of the male characters rally around her to White Knight her, and all they get from it is her appreciation.  And they're fine with that.  The game revolves around her growing more confident in herself and finding her place in the world, rather than stunting her character development by attaching her to a man and deferring all the difficult decisions to him.  She finally finds some orphaned children who giver her purpose and confidence, and through her own will becomes more powerful in order to protect them.

So, I don't think the problem is that women need to be depicted as stronger in games, they simply need to be depicted as people rather than accessories.  I don't mind if they're weak, timid, and pretty as long as they have strong characterization and motives backing them up.  They can love a male character so long as that love doesn't cause them to lose their self-identity.


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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2012, 11:47:46 am »
I'm not gonna dignify your opinion of what lable this young lady should fall under.  BTW...you're wrong.

What I will talk about is the stupidity of this whole situation.  Really guys?  You're gonna go through all this to troll and prove her right?  Are you really this stupid?

Ironbite-morons.

This, in its entirety.  Way to prove her fucking point, assholes.

Personally, I like the rare occasions when a female character is neither insanely weak nor dressed like a porn star.  FemShep, Helga, and the more recent (moderately-sized) incarnations of Lara Croft come to mind.  "Attractive" doesn't mean "wearing a strategically-placed Band-Aid."  You can, in fact, have one without the other.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2012, 11:49:46 am »
I'm not gonna dignify your opinion of what lable this young lady should fall under.  BTW...you're wrong.

What I will talk about is the stupidity of this whole situation.  Really guys?  You're gonna go through all this to troll and prove her right?  Are you really this stupid?

Ironbite-morons.

This, in its entirety.  Way to prove her fucking point, assholes.

Personally, I like the rare occasions when a female character is neither insanely weak nor dressed like a porn star.  FemShep, Helga, and the more recent (moderately-sized) incarnations of Lara Croft come to mind.  "Attractive" doesn't mean "wearing a strategically-placed Band-Aid."  You can, in fact, have one without the other.
I would say Samus but then there was other M

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2012, 11:52:17 am »
I'm not gonna dignify your opinion of what lable this young lady should fall under.  BTW...you're wrong.

What I will talk about is the stupidity of this whole situation.  Really guys?  You're gonna go through all this to troll and prove her right?  Are you really this stupid?

Ironbite-morons.

This, in its entirety.  Way to prove her fucking point, assholes.

Personally, I like the rare occasions when a female character is neither insanely weak nor dressed like a porn star.  FemShep, Helga, and the more recent (moderately-sized) incarnations of Lara Croft come to mind.  "Attractive" doesn't mean "wearing a strategically-placed Band-Aid."  You can, in fact, have one without the other.
I would say Samus but then there was other M

Other M completely handled Samus in exactly the wrong direction.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2012, 11:57:16 am »
I'm not gonna dignify your opinion of what lable this young lady should fall under.  BTW...you're wrong.

What I will talk about is the stupidity of this whole situation.  Really guys?  You're gonna go through all this to troll and prove her right?  Are you really this stupid?

Ironbite-morons.

This, in its entirety.  Way to prove her fucking point, assholes.

Personally, I like the rare occasions when a female character is neither insanely weak nor dressed like a porn star.  FemShep, Helga, and the more recent (moderately-sized) incarnations of Lara Croft come to mind.  "Attractive" doesn't mean "wearing a strategically-placed Band-Aid."  You can, in fact, have one without the other.
I would say Samus but then there was other M

Other M completely handled Samus in exactly the wrong direction.
I've not gotten a chance to play it but seeing as there is a scene where Samus runs into a hot area without her heatproof suit cause her CO said not too. 

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2012, 12:15:54 pm »
I'm not gonna dignify your opinion of what lable this young lady should fall under.  BTW...you're wrong.

What I will talk about is the stupidity of this whole situation.  Really guys?  You're gonna go through all this to troll and prove her right?  Are you really this stupid?

Ironbite-morons.

Watch 2:35:

This, in its entirety.  Way to prove her fucking point, assholes.

Personally, I like the rare occasions when a female character is neither insanely weak nor dressed like a porn star.  FemShep, Helga, and the more recent (moderately-sized) incarnations of Lara Croft come to mind.  "Attractive" doesn't mean "wearing a strategically-placed Band-Aid."  You can, in fact, have one without the other.
I would say Samus but then there was other M

Other M completely handled Samus in exactly the wrong direction.
I've not gotten a chance to play it but seeing as there is a scene where Samus runs into a hot area without her heatproof suit cause her CO said not too.

Watch 0:52 to 1:47 and 2:35 to 3:10.  That's pretty much exactly how Team Ninja (the 3rd party guys who made Other M) decided to handle Samus.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2012, 12:26:20 pm »
....

Fpqxz, you might consider it a waste of time, but as a female gamer who's done cultural studies, I find this sort of stuff interesting. Guess what I want to do in the next ten years - I want to study the intersection of autism and internet pop culture as personified by Christian Weston Chandler, a.k.a. Chris-Chan/Sonichu, for my PhD... Because I'm autistic and I <3 the internet. Is that a waste of time? To you, maybe, but not to me.

It's this sort of study which can lead to changing attitudes...

BTW, I love Dragon Age and its treatment of metal armours. The leather stuff is... fetishist... on both genders... You should see the Chasind robes on either male or female... LOL.

4chan found him, study done.

From the sounds of things someone turned her over to the chan and it went from there. Why anyone gets upset over them is beyond me.
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