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Offline TheReasonator

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What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« on: February 12, 2013, 07:20:19 pm »
By primary I mean the value is the point of itself. It is a starting value that a person doesn't feel they need to answer "what is for?" for. This is necessary in order to be able to do anything other than sit around wondering what we should do.

Let's say a person wanted to be poor and in terrible debt (as a primary value) really fast and wanted to if possible do so in an atmosphere he found pleasing (again as a primary value) and so went to a casino and gambled all his money away knowing there's only a slight risk of becoming rich(which his primary values are against). Is he behaving rationally? His behavior is definitely getting him what he wants in terms of his primary values.

Let's say on top of that this man desires homelessness as an aesthetic and holds a political ideology that says that society needs more bankruptcies so it can collapse and we all abandon our homes and live as homeless people. Given that homelessness and bankruptcy(from all the debt) are likely end results to his behavior (social collapse is not but it's his ideology he holds moving us towards the mere possibility of reaching his 'utopia' as a social good in and of itself) and that these are actually things that he wants does that make him rational?

If we say he is irrational then what are we basing this on? How does one determine that one value is better than another value without referencing other values?
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 07:48:12 pm »
By subjective crap.

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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 07:55:33 pm »
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 08:00:27 pm »
Honestly I think your weird questions should be taken to this forum

http://forums.philosophyforums.com/

They will be a bit more versed as to answering you....and with a touch less backlash
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 08:16:33 pm »
Rational:
sqrt(1) = 1
Irrational:
sqrt(-1) = i
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 08:17:01 pm »
Quote from: Deimos on February 12, 2013, 07:48:12 pm
By subjective crap.

Done.
But, like, why are we here, man?
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 10:10:23 pm »
Quote from: Rabbit of Caerbannog on February 12, 2013, 08:17:01 pm
Quote from: Deimos on February 12, 2013, 07:48:12 pm
By subjective crap.

Done.
But, like, why are we here, man?

To make fun of fundies.

C'mon, man, that's entry level shit.  It's on our letterhead.
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 10:23:02 pm »
Quote from: Jack Mann on February 12, 2013, 10:10:23 pm
Quote from: Rabbit of Caerbannog on February 12, 2013, 08:17:01 pm
Quote from: Deimos on February 12, 2013, 07:48:12 pm
By subjective crap.

Done.
But, like, why are we here, man?

To make fun of fundies.

C'mon, man, that's entry level shit.  It's on our letterhead.
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 12:00:41 am »
Not only is it on our letterhead, it's on our stationary as well.
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 08:31:18 am »
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 11:40:14 am »
@OP: You're hitting on the same problem I was talking about in the morality thread, i.e. How do you judge a primary value? Can they be evaluated objectively?

In the other thread you said yes, while in this one you seem to be saying no.
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2013, 11:47:13 am »
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 12:26:28 pm »
Quote from: Distind on February 12, 2013, 08:16:33 pm
Rational:
sqrt(1) = 1
Irrational:
sqrt(-1) = i

That's not irrational, that's imaginary. Irrational would be like 2^0.5 or pi
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2013, 05:29:27 pm »
Quote from: Cataclysm on February 13, 2013, 12:26:28 pm
Quote from: Distind on February 12, 2013, 08:16:33 pm
Rational:
sqrt(1) = 1
Irrational:
sqrt(-1) = i

That's not irrational, that's imaginary. Irrational would be like 2^0.5 or pi

OK, nitpick time: any number that is not rational is irrational. i is as irrational as sqrt(2) or pi, because none can be expressed as the quotient of two integers.
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Re: What Is Rationality? Can a Primary Value Be Irrational?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2013, 06:39:36 pm »
Why would someone want to be homeless?

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