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Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« on: February 29, 2012, 01:33:26 pm »
Came across the article here (via TYT). The original article can be found here. (All emphasis mine)
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First, the federal government would create a government “brand” of essential food items such as milk, cheese, meat, cereal, vegetables, bread, peanut butter, beans, juice, soup, baby formula, diapers, etc., and would package the items with simple black-and-white labels and basic descriptions. The word “Government” would be stamped across the top in bold letters so everyone would know it was a welfare item. These items could be manufactured by major companies through government contracts, thus not creating a net loss to private industry. Because competition is not an issue, taste and quality, with the exception of the baby formula and baby food, would not be a top priority. Snacks, soda, cigarettes and beer would not be available through the program.

Second, the government would lease existing store fronts and set up “government stores.” There are typically several grocery store locations that have gone out of business in any given area; these would make ideal settings for the new government stores. The number of store locations would be chosen based on the size of the area and its number of food stamp recipients. The stores would be placed on public transportation routes for convenience.

Third, and most importantly, all food stamp recipients would be required to spend their government dollars at these stores. Private grocery stores and chains, such as Wal-Mart and McDonald’s, would no longer be allowed to accept EBT cards, and the money loaded on the cards could not be withdrawn and used for any other purpose. Each card would have a set dollar amount sizable enough to purchase essential items from the government store. For example, a family of four could expect to receive enough government-brand beans, rice, bread, milk, cheese, meat, cereal and vegetables to last a month with careful planning. In other words, they must be ready to stretch a food budget. Families with babies would get a month supply of formula, baby food and diapers.

Fourth, anyone who accepts government aid would have to submit to a monthly tobacco and drug test. Food stamp recipients are, after all, wards of the state. They are slaves to the government and should be reminded of that fact. If a recipient is found to have tobacco or drugs in his system, he would be dropped from the program. People on government aid would also lose the privilege of voting. That way they couldn’t vote for greater benefits or easier terms (most of them don’t vote, but now they couldn’t).
I have never heard of the Daily Caller until today, so I don't know if it's poe site or not, but it doesn't seem over the top enough for that. I really, really, hope it is though; the fact that anyone could even think this is disturbing.
I really doubt that most people using EBT/food stamps are particularly proud of the fact that they're using said programs; making it more embarrassing is beyond cruel. Perhaps the worst part of that paragraph is where he says that welfare recipients are slaves and they should be constantly reminded of it, as if they don't have enough going against them already.
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My reform measures might seem draconian to some (and the antithesis of the free market), but they would hopefully have the desired result of reducing food stamp rolls so we could eventually eliminate the program and let the states handle the issue. Before accepting food stamps, people would have to carefully consider whether they want to face the loss of voting privileges, the humiliation of shopping at government stores and using government food, the inability to smoke or do drugs and the added inconvenience of having to make two or three stops for their groceries should they choose to buy snacks with their own money. Plus, tax producers would no longer have to knowingly be face to face with people at the check-out who are on government assistance but have nicer cell phones and accessories than they do.

There should be humiliation and pain in government assistance. Every time someone accepts food stamps, they are spitting on the principles of independence, and they, not the taxpayers who fund the program, should be reminded of that fact.
Of course, with an ending like this, I wouldn't be surprised if this article is supposed to be taken seriously.
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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 01:42:42 pm »


Yeah, I don't think this is real; or if it is, that it will really happen.
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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 01:47:07 pm »
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These are fine examples of what many Americans witness on a regular basis. The other day, while my family and I were waiting in a check-out line at Wal-Mart, I noticed that the woman checking out in front of us was texting on her $200 cell phone (which probably costs at least $100 a month in service fees and may have been paid for by the government as well) and holding what my wife says was a $100 designer purse, with a stack of junk food, beer and cigarettes on the belt behind a line of subsistence products like milk, cheese, cereal and meat.


She probably had the latest tracfone (Which costs about 20 dollars every three months or so to mantain) and a mock designer bag from a sidewalk vendor. You can also buy gently used designer stuff at discount stores. 

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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 01:48:35 pm »
Reading the comments from the first link, they're saying it's not a parody, and that this guy is actually a crazy libertarian.

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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 01:53:30 pm »
I hope for my own sanity that this isn't real.  Seriously, wtf?
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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 01:54:41 pm »


Yeah, I don't think this is real; or if it is, that it will really happen.

Its real, The Daily Caller is a site owned by Tucker Carlson and has a plethora of conservative contributors. Though, to be fair, they did break the story a few years ago about top GOP party members visiting a bondage club in California. This is also an opinion piece, so it has no bearing on policies and can be as far out of left field as is concievable.

My gripe with the article is that I have friends who use EBT. These people are some of the most frugal people I have ever met in my life. I went shopping with one, and I could not believe how she compared the prices of EVERYTHING she bought. I also worked at a gas station for a while and saw people abuse the system and spend they EBT funds on them and their friends one the 1st of every month after getting wasted. I see some waste in the EBT program, but I know that the few bad examples I've seen are made up for by the good examples I know and making huge changes to the program is not the most productive way of solving the problem (although we all know the GOP really doesn't care about solving the "waste" problem).

The part that gets me is the author said he found the EBT program to be "Unconstitutional." Well what the fuck is disenfranchisement of poor people? And like Aasif Mandvi on the Daily Show demonstrated, government officials receive government money, so they should be held to the same standard they want to subject the poor too.

Fuck, if I had my way, the CEOs of the companies who received "corporate bailouts" would be drug tested.

And Jebus, I bought a purse for $10 at payless shoes that people swear is name brand and upwards of $100. Poor people know where to shop because we don't have much money to blow on the first thing that catches our eye.

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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 01:59:23 pm »


Yeah, I don't think this is real; or if it is, that it will really happen.

Its real, The Daily Caller is a site owned by Tucker Carlson and has a plethora of conservative contributors. Though, to be fair, they did break the story a few years ago about top GOP party members visiting a bondage club in California. This is also an opinion piece, so it has no bearing on policies and can be as far out of left field as is concievable.

My gripe with the article is that I have friends who use EBT. These people are some of the most frugal people I have ever met in my life. I went shopping with one, and I could not believe how she compared the prices of EVERYTHING she bought. I also worked at a gas station for a while and saw people abuse the system and spend they EBT funds on them and their friends one the 1st of every month after getting wasted. I see some waste in the EBT program, but I know that the few bad examples I've seen are made up for by the good examples I know and making huge changes to the program is not the most productive way of solving the problem (although we all know the GOP really doesn't care about solving the "waste" problem).

The part that gets me is the author said he found the EBT program to be "Unconstitutional." Well what the fuck is disenfranchisement of poor people? And like Aasif Mandvi on the Daily Show demonstrated, government officials receive government money, so they should be held to the same standard they want to subject the poor too.

Fuck, if I had my way, the CEOs of the companies who received "corporate bailouts" would be drug tested.

And Jebus, I bought a purse for $10 at payless shoes that people swear is name brand and upwards of $100. Poor people know where to shop because we don't have much money to blow on the first thing that catches our eye.

You can get some pretty damn convincing knock offs at places like flea markets too.
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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 02:34:14 pm »
Dude hasn't thought about this for half a second. Even in terms of simple cost it couldn't work, maintaining a physical presence and producing an entirely separate line of product, of questionable nature, just to feed people on welfare? There's no money there, we know that already, so why the fuck do we think it would save money over anything?

The only point to this idea is insulting those on welfare further. Pile on some stigma and hope people don't turn to crime instead of welfare just to avoid it.

That said, government cheese does come from somewhere, there was a point that similar programs were in place, but the basic costs of such things now should put the price of it well beyond what it costs us now.

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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 02:37:28 pm »
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First, the federal government would create a government “brand” of essential food items such as milk, cheese, meat, cereal, vegetables, bread, peanut butter, beans, juice, soup, baby formula, diapers, etc., and would package the items with simple black-and-white labels and basic descriptions. The word “Government” would be stamped across the top in bold letters so everyone would know it was a welfare item. These items could be manufactured by major companies through government contracts, thus not creating a net loss to private industry. Because competition is not an issue, taste and quality, with the exception of the baby formula and baby food, would not be a top priority. Snacks, soda, cigarettes and beer would not be available through the program.

First of all, the government already does this, or if they don't now, they used to. Ever heard of government cheese? My mom was on welfare shortly after she divorced my dad when I was 2 and I remember government food subsistence being part of the program where we could get the basic stuff such as cheese, milk, bread, etc and the rest of the food stamps could be used on any other food. Hell, I remember that we were able to get McDonald's or Burger King on food stamps.
I do agree that maybe the government should set aside an allotment for government "brand" foods as listed in here as it would provide people with the basic stuff. It should be cheaper and it should have a good quality. Also, we do have the WIC (or whatever it's called now) so the baby formula, food, diapers, etc are already covered.

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Second, the government would lease existing store fronts and set up “government stores.” There are typically several grocery store locations that have gone out of business in any given area; these would make ideal settings for the new government stores. The number of store locations would be chosen based on the size of the area and its number of food stamp recipients. The stores would be placed on public transportation routes for convenience.

Welfare food depositories are not a bad idea, the food should be available in both supermarket stores or these depositories. However one should not be exclusive to the other.

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Third, and most importantly, all food stamp recipients would be required to spend their government dollars at these stores. Private grocery stores and chains, such as Wal-Mart and McDonald’s, would no longer be allowed to accept EBT cards, and the money loaded on the cards could not be withdrawn and used for any other purpose.

No, I disagree with this, many retailers do get money off welfare recipients so I doubt that they would want the government to bar people on welfare from their buyer base. Also, many poorer people shop at places like Wal-Mart, Costco, Meijer's, etc and get food, that should we have the government "brand" would not provide. As for the cash withdrawl, that is cash that is supposed to be used for non-food items such as paper plates, toilet paper, plastic forks, dish soap, body soap, etc. You cannot use food stamps for these items anyways and most that are on welfare also receive cash assistance (my sister for example) So if a person on welfare can't work or only can work a minimum wage job, it still would not be enough for one to be able to purchase non food essential items.

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Each card would have a set dollar amount sizable enough to purchase essential items from the government store. For example, a family of four could expect to receive enough government-brand beans, rice, bread, milk, cheese, meat, cereal and vegetables to last a month with careful planning. In other words, they must be ready to stretch a food budget. Families with babies would get a month supply of formula, baby food and diapers.

Fine enough, but what about unexpected things? What if the food spoils, such as instances where the electric goes out and the food in the fridge spoils? What if babies go through the formula too fast? Also how much is enough to last? I know families that have two children and they run out of food and supplies by the end of the week or so. Each family is different and this one size fits all doesn't apply to everyone?

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Fourth, anyone who accepts government aid would have to submit to a monthly tobacco and drug test. Food stamp recipients are, after all, wards of the state. They are slaves to the government and should be reminded of that fact. If a recipient is found to have tobacco or drugs in his system, he would be dropped from the program. People on government aid would also lose the privilege of voting. That way they couldn’t vote for greater benefits or easier terms (most of them don’t vote, but now they couldn’t)

A tobacco test? This is ludicrous. First of all, poor people are probably the biggest smoker base, though I could be wrong being poor is stressful which is why the health of poor people are worse than those that are better off, but that's a discussion for another time. Drugs, yes I understand that but not tobacco or alcohol tests. Also, it takes a lot of taxpayer money to fund for these tests and of course since this is about poor people basically "taking our tax dollars!" I am sure you (the author of this drivel) don't want to have to foot the testing bill. The right to vote is available for everyone and many have fought hard to gain the right to vote, excuse me for asking but is there also a subtle hint of racism in that statement? You probably think that all poor people are niggers black people and want to suppress their vote.

While there are some valid points this is overall a very ill thought program and will not work. Poor people will always exist whether or not you like it and disenfranchising them or humiliating them as you basically state in this writing are not going to make the poor go away.

I also understand that there are abuses in the system and those that abuse it make it much more difficult for those with honest and true needs to get the help that they want. However, draconian measures like this will only serve to piss people off, and not just the poor.
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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 02:51:25 pm »
Do we really want to know where the goalverment "meat" comes from? Maybe unclaimed bodies at the morgue?

I would be fine with restricting the vote from stupid people, you know like the author of this shit.
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Re: Jim Crow laws for the poor?
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 03:03:04 pm »
Ugh.
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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2012, 03:11:35 pm »
Small government, huh?
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« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2012, 03:53:59 pm »
Small government, huh?

Indeed, the hypocrisy smells good in the morning.
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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2012, 04:36:02 pm »
If laws like that were put into place, it could incite revolution.

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« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2012, 04:46:07 pm »
Every citizen has the right to junk food. It says so in the Constitution someplace. It's what we're all about. 
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