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Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« on: April 16, 2012, 02:31:46 pm »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9199453/Australias-most-senior-ranked-Catholic-says-Jews-intellectually-and-morally-inferior.html


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In a widely watched televised debate – which led to ongoing debate over the winner – Cardinal Pell said "the little Jewish people" were shepherds who lacked intellectual development.
"I've got a great admiration for the Jews but we don't need to exaggerate their contribution in their early days," he said on ABC television. "They weren't intellectually the equal of [the Egyptians or Persians] – intellectually, morally ... The poor – the little Jewish people, they were originally shepherds. They were stuck. They're still stuck between these great powers."
Later, Cardinal Pell, the Archbishop of Sydney, seemed to suggest the Germans had suffered more than the Jews during the Holocaust.
Asked why god permitted the Holocaust to occur, he said: "He helped probably through secondary causes for the Jews to escape and continue. It is interesting through these secondary causes probably no people in history have been punished the way the Germans were. It is a terrible mystery." When the debate host suggested that the Jews had suffered more than the Germans, Cardinal Pell said: "Yes, that might be right. Certainly the suffering in both, I mean the Jews, there was no reason why they should suffer."

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 02:34:29 pm »
"But I have Jewish friends!"

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 03:12:16 pm »
If the Catholic church had any sense, they'd boot him and excommunicate him faster than you can say "Yeah, that's a BIG no-no"

Naturally, this means he'll enjoy his current job comfortably for many many years.
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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 03:30:40 pm »
Jews. Wasn't Jesus one of those?
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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 05:12:49 pm »
Jews. Wasn't Jesus one of those?

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 05:13:12 pm »
So, does it appear to anyone else that he's saying his religion and church is based on the ramblings of a bunch of superstitious, illiterate dumb-asses? 

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 05:18:30 pm »
It's a dick thing to say, for sure. But having heard far far worse antisemitism in recent years, I can't really get any more animated about this than that.

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 05:54:22 pm »
So, does it appear to anyone else that he's saying his religion and church is based on the ramblings of a bunch of superstitious, illiterate dumb-asses?

Maybe he's a deep cover stealth poe. If so, that's some dedication. Though it's more likely he's a "Jesus(and Moses) was a Christian" type like I said, or just a fucking idiot.
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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 07:38:18 pm »
Keep in mind that a Jewish man is the reason you're religion exists.

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2012, 11:47:21 pm »
Keep in mind that a Jewish man is the reason you're religion exists.

But back then all the "Jews" weren't really Jews they were Christians. All the "New Jews" are evil beings controlled by Satan himself to pull us away from the truth. /fundie.

 Of course that ignores that people making claims like Jesus weren't uncommon in those days, so how do you tell which, of any, are the real messiah.
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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 12:34:43 am »
Silly cardinal. All religion is fucking asinine, not just Judaism.

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 12:47:43 am »
To be absolutely fair to Pell, it was during a debate with Richard Dawkins where he was seriously outgunned. He basically retracted the comment and sought to explain it later (I think there is a verse in Deuteronmy which suggests that God chose Israel even though it wasn't the biggest nation at the time the egyptian were or some such shit). He still fucked it up.

And to continue be absolutely fair to Pell, he is the fucking epitome of what is wrong with the Catholic Church in Australia and has probably done more to single handedly reduce congregations including refusing to allow homosexuals communion and defrocking a priest who did.

As for excommunication there is no fucking chance.  Unless he actually tried to bring the Church into the 21st century, understand and reach out to the poor, or tolerate homosexuals (you know or do anything that Jesus seemed to be intent on) he is unlikely to even be censured by the Vatican and he is the head of the Australian Diocese.  Unfortunately he is not a deep cover poe (secret agent Lulz)

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 01:36:41 am »
Lol, it is unfortunate that people take Pell seriously. I have to agree with Dawkins, the debate was stacked with the Catholic cheer squad who cheered every time Pell made the same damned bloody points that are made in every religion v. science debate and have been refuted an innumerable number of times.

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 02:42:09 am »
To be fair, historically the Jews were a small group of seemingly unimportant people. The Persian and Egyptian nations were both more advanced technologically and culturally. Although that is not necessarily saying much. Evidence suggests that the Jews were a somewhat nomadic agrarian society which was focused primarily on farming livestock. While at the same time the Egyptians and the Persians were developing mathematics, irrigation and basic metallurgy and engineering. Small nomadic populations tend not to focus on advancing their society, as their population is normally too small and busy and there is little actual selective pressure to promote advancement.

However, with that I must state that this does not make the Jews at the time inferior, it simply means that at the time the Egyptians and Persians were more advanced civilizations. I think in this case with regards to the cardinal, its a case of him being right to a degree, for all the wrong reasons.

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Re: Catholic Cardinal: Jews are inferior!
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 02:56:14 am »
However, with that I must state that this does not make the Jews at the time inferior, it simply means that at the time the Egyptians and Persians were more advanced civilizations.
Intellectually, it would mean the Jews were indeed inferior. Being a less advanced society naturally means lower standards of education and a smaller pool of knowledge. Though saying they were also morally inferior is bullshit, as morality is highly subjective at best.