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California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« on: January 19, 2018, 03:12:32 am »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42741049

A couple in California have been charged with the torture of their thirteen children, after one escaped and alerted authorities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/16/thirteen-siblings-found-chained-starving-california-home-say/

Apparently, the parents were "deeply religious".

Religion not only makes good people do evil things, but it also makes evil people do truly horrific things.
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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2018, 03:15:56 am »
Apparently, the parents were "deeply religious".
Somehow, I am not the least bit surprised.

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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2018, 03:31:08 am »
Well, to use a certain shout out, with what they did I wouldn't be surprised if they were practicing Word Bearers!

These two are...well, they're sick. I recognize sickness - and in some, it brings attraction to a faith.

This sickness brings them to justify their cruelest impulses with the favors of the divine. They had to be cruel, you see, to remain in the favor of their divine lord. They're never the head, the most powerful, they cast themselves as servants, to justify this sick obsession to themselves - for if they are just doing their work as a servant, what can they be accused of?
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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2018, 07:44:15 am »
I hear you niam, but might it be more parsimonious to suggest they just get their jollies off hurting kids?

I mean all that religious gunk serves a purpose, it makes them think "hey maybe I'm not just doing this because I'm a sick fuck who does this to get my rocks off, maybe I'm doing this because the line manager of a thousand billion galaxies said so-so it's really important."

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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 09:42:19 am »
I hear you niam, but might it be more parsimonious to suggest they just get their jollies off hurting kids?

I mean all that religious gunk serves a purpose, it makes them think "hey maybe I'm not just doing this because I'm a sick fuck who does this to get my rocks off, maybe I'm doing this because the line manager of a thousand billion galaxies said so-so it's really important."

That's why I said religion makes evil people do horrific things.

EDIT: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/turpin-torture-background-1.4494165

Details on what they did. It's not a pleasant read.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 02:17:39 pm by dpareja »
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2018, 04:11:28 pm »
That's just....disgusting.

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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 08:28:31 pm »
This is horrifying. And seeing how old some of their kids were - I can't imagine everything the 29-year-old has seen, or been through. I don't think any judge or jury is going to be particularly kind to these parents.
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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 03:15:51 am »
What if the judge interrupts the jury and tells them that God ordered him to say that the suspects are innocent?

Because that's apparently a thing in USA: http://www.statesman.com/news/crime--law/texas-judge-interrupts-jury-says-god-told-him-defendant-not-guilty/ZRdGbT7xPu7lc6kMMPeWKL/
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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2018, 04:27:07 am »
A friend asked me a question that I really wanna know the answer to RE: that last post. Can a Judge be held in contempt of court?
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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2018, 11:38:45 pm »
A friend asked me a question that I really wanna know the answer to RE: that last post. Can a Judge be held in contempt of court?

I don't know for sure about the US but in other common law jurisdictions, the answer is no. The contempt is towards the authority (that is the authority of the crown embodied by the Court) of the Court, which the judge cannot do. Besides which judges have judicial immunity.

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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2018, 03:21:15 pm »
They can be thrown off the bench however.

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Re: California couple charged with torture and child endangerment
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2018, 05:18:35 pm »
Yes you can be thrown off the bench. In the US depending on what type of judge you are you might lose at election too.