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Politics and Government / Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 12:58:55 pm »


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Well, currently they think that the government is on their side so they'd just start rounding up l"ibruls and cucks" and killing them.

Or maybe they'd fight against the "DEEP STATE" and whatever bogeyman that they think is in control of it. It's not like they've made up their mind.

Maybe that is why they didn't do anything to Obama? Despite all their posturing about being alpha males and so on they don't actually have the guts to really fight for their beliefs. They'd rather wait to stand beside (or possibly behind) the army and watch as their "enemies" are marched into deathcamps.
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In the actual US civil war, the rebels had their own government and properly supplied and funded military, complete with professional soldiers and a functional chain of command and an entire economy to fuel all of it. A bunch of disorganised hicks with guns can riot, sure. But start a civil war? Not a fucking chance.
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https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/06/19/right-wing-media-figures-declare-first-shots-second-american-civil-war-have-already-been-fired/216966

For a while now Right wing media people have been talking about a civil war in USA. Symbolically at first, then as something that might be necessary in the future (for example, if Obama would be elected. Strangely, they didn't go forwards with the plan when it did happen.) and now Alex Jones is saying that the war has already begun with the recent assassination attempt. (Note, few other commenters still talk about a metaphorical, cultural war but many are more literal.)

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Pat Buchanan: The US is “approaching something of a civil war,” and it’s time for Trump to “burn down the Bastille.” Pat Buchanan warned that the U.S. is “approaching something of a civil war where the capital city seeks the overthrow of the sovereign and its own restoration.” Buchanan claimed the “deep state-media coup” to destroy Trump features “the appointment of a special prosecutor” and “street clashes between pro- and anti-Trump forces.” Buchanan wrote that Trump “should campaign against the real enemies of America First by promising to purge the deep state and flog its media collaborators,” concluding that it’s “time to burn down the Bastille.”

Seeing as the USA is the way it is, it won't be long before the next mass shooting but if Jones or someone can use it as a "casus belli" for the local militias to get violent, things might get ugly fast.
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The "Deep State."

...Whatever the heck that is.

Well, I decided to consult wikipedia and it said it was "The concept of a deep state suggests that there exists a coordinated effort by career government employees and others to influence state policy without regard for democratically elected leadership.[1][2][3][4][5] The term, which was originally used to refer to sophisticated shadow governments in countries like Turkey and post-Soviet Russia, has also been used in American political science to refer to entrenched government institutions wielding power, without necessarily implying a conspiracy.[6][7] Detractors say this idea is a conspiracy theory."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States

So I'm guessing it's like the FBI/CIA?
It's the higher institutions of government as a whole, the intelligence agencies are only part of it. The cultures, thinking and world views embedded in the institutions will limit the options for anyone in the higher offices who depend on these institutions for advice and tools. The bigger an institution the more difficult its behavioral momentum is to change. The more conspiratorially minded just see this "deep state" as a cabal of nefarious masterminds pulling the strings behind the scenes.
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Al Qaeda from whence ISIS sprang has had a beef with Saudi Arabia going back to the 1991 Gulf War. Osama Bin Laden was very unhappy with Saudi Arabia allowing US bases on Saudi soil which he considered holy ground. He'd offered the Saudis to let him and his militants chase Saddam out of Kuwait instead but they laughed him off.
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The "Deep State."

...Whatever the heck that is.

Well, I decided to consult wikipedia and it said it was "The concept of a deep state suggests that there exists a coordinated effort by career government employees and others to influence state policy without regard for democratically elected leadership.[1][2][3][4][5] The term, which was originally used to refer to sophisticated shadow governments in countries like Turkey and post-Soviet Russia, has also been used in American political science to refer to entrenched government institutions wielding power, without necessarily implying a conspiracy.[6][7] Detractors say this idea is a conspiracy theory."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States

So I'm guessing it's like the FBI/CIA?
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 01:56:16 am »
Oh, trust me, Ron Johnson's voting for this garbage. He's my senator and from day 1 of Trump, he's done nothing that wasn't in line with the Republican platform or Trump's fascism.

Which is why I mentioned Johnson only as a parenthetical. I know he's awful.

But Heller has to be scared, and Portman was on record saying that he wouldn't vote for anything that threatened Ohio's Medicaid expansion.
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The Lounge / Re: Things That Annoy You
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 01:55:06 am »
Next time you see that, reply, "And if you want capitalism, move to Somalia."
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The Lounge / Re: Things That Annoy You
« Last post by Askold on Today at 01:50:23 am »
I have once again seen someone unironically say that if you want socialism "move to China or Russia."

...I know that it's hard to keep up with current events but how long does it take for these people to find out that USSR collapsed years ago?
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