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Title: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: wrongfrog on November 13, 2012, 04:37:05 pm
More like people from a bunch of different states decided to make petitions to secede.
You've all probably been bombarded with this shit lately in the news, but I'm getting kind of annoyed with people taking this all seriously? Like, this is less than 1% of the US population we're talking here. 22,000 people signing a petition in ANY state will not lead them to BREAK AWAY FROM THE ENTIRE NATION. This seems like a really futile effort that's getting way too much media attention. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: niam2023 on November 13, 2012, 04:54:19 pm
I listen in to it for the glorious Schadenfreud of when their little bubble breaks, leaving them realizing they really are utterly powerless.

Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Her3tiK on November 13, 2012, 05:34:51 pm
The reactions I get over this "news" is funniest on Facebook, though it scares me that I've run into people who are taking this idea seriously.

For one, the entire plan, assuming this is a serious secession movement and not just an interesting way of getting government's attention, assumes that the majority of the state agrees with whichever Billy Bob submitted the petition in the first place. As has been stated repeatedly, this is far from the case, and will likely remain so throughout this ordeal for each and every petition that's been created.
Two, many of these states, as has also been discussed elsewhere on the boards, are completely incapable of sustaining themselves on their own economies. Texas and California might be able to, but Cali owes too much in debt and Texas... well, they don't exactly have a history of brilliant politicians. The infrastructure may be there, but I'm almost positive the sudden loss of emergency services, military bases and equipment, and federal subsidies for the farmland and oil industries Texas in particular loves to boast will take it's toll faster than the secessionists have considered.
Third: let's assume that, for whatever reason, Texas (to use the most viable and popular example) is simply let go by the federal government. What happens to all the government infrastructure that's left in Texas? Presumably, the military and any emergency service systems will leave, and the border crossings will be abandoned. What happens to the remaining infrastructure? Will Texas have to purchase the bases, facilities, and even interstates from the US (which I sincerely doubt they'd be able to do all at once)? And, if they can't or won't, how long will Texas tolerate, say, armed forces remaining within their borders like some kind of occupation?
Fourth: What kind of foreign policy plans will Texas enact? I doubt the people submitting these recession petitions care a whole lot for "outsiders", so I can't see them putting up with much in the way of immigration, or even being all that tolerant of trade agreements and foreign embassies. Hell, what are they going to do to fill up the vacuum left by people leaving Texas because they'd rather be in America? By my understanding, such a move would nearly empty out all the major cities.

This entire thing is a poorly thought out plan, implemented by whiny man-children who are upset that there's still a black muslim socialist in the white house, nothing more.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: worlder on November 13, 2012, 05:43:34 pm
I signed the thing.

I want to see more history in the making!
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Lt. Fred on November 13, 2012, 05:57:54 pm
Quote from: Her3tiK on November 13, 2012, 05:34:51 pm
Cali owes too much in debt

If California seceded, their budget would balance overnight. They pay A lOT of federal taxes, and get very little in federal spending. If Alabama seceded, sudden bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: worlder on November 13, 2012, 05:58:49 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on November 13, 2012, 05:57:54 pm
Quote from: Her3tiK on November 13, 2012, 05:34:51 pm
Cali owes too much in debt

If California seceded, their budget would balance overnight. They pay A lOT of federal taxes, and get very little in federal spending. If Alabama seceded, sudden bankruptcy.

Numbers please. ???
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: ScrappyB on November 13, 2012, 06:07:04 pm
Even Rick Perry thinks the talk of secession is loony:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548931/rick-perry-dismisses-texas-secession-talk/?tag=contentAux;mostDiscussed
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: That Guy on November 13, 2012, 06:12:23 pm
These petitions are incredibly silly and I wish the mainstream media would stop giving attention to them.  I highly doubt that even most Romney supporters would want to secede.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Lt. Fred on November 13, 2012, 06:14:35 pm
Quote from: worlder on November 13, 2012, 05:58:49 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on November 13, 2012, 05:57:54 pm
Quote from: Her3tiK on November 13, 2012, 05:34:51 pm
Cali owes too much in debt

If California seceded, their budget would balance overnight. They pay A lOT of federal taxes, and get very little in federal spending. If Alabama seceded, sudden bankruptcy.

Numbers please. ???

California receives 78 cents in spending for every dollar of federal taxes. Presuming that they kept tax rates the same, that's debt reduction of 22 cents for every dollar of federal taxes they pay- and they pay a LOT of federal taxes. In 2008 (the height of the crisis) their budget deficit was $26.3 billion, according to wikipedia. That's about 1.3% of GSP. Now, I can't be bothered finding how much California pays in federal taxes, but I bet one quarter of that number is more than 1.3% of GSP.

Alabama has the opposite problem. As a conservative society, it's highly un-innovative, also poor. For every dollar of federal income taxes it pays, it receives $1.66 from the Feds. You see the problem. Take away the .66 dollars of Federal welfare, and the society is bankrupt.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: worlder on November 13, 2012, 06:18:06 pm
I'm going to have to research those claims.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: kefkaownsall on November 13, 2012, 06:35:10 pm
This asshole on my FB said that Texas might and then he said look at their perspective.  Me: Louisiana will die
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: wrongfrog on November 13, 2012, 06:48:49 pm
Update: Some beautiful genius made a response petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

Now I wonder how many people will take this seriously.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Her3tiK on November 13, 2012, 06:53:10 pm
Need a head start? Going with Wikipedia's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California) admittedly slightly out-of-date numbers, California's GSP is roughly $1.9 trillion, or a little over 13% of the nation's GDP, as of 2008. As of 2010, this equates to the 9th largest economy in the world (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/06/california-gdp.html). The economy itself is broken down as such:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Gross_Domestic_Product_of_California_2008_%28millions_of_current_dollars%29.svg)

You can even find the official state budget here (http://govbud.dof.ca.gov/agencies.html), which, if I'm doing the numbers right (and I'm almost positive I'm not; someone who's good at math should correct me), comes to around $284 million for the 2012-2013 fiscal year. Further adding to the odds of California being able to survive on it's own, is the fact that our science scores (http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/budding-scientist/2012/02/01/u-s-state-science-standards-are-mediocre-to-awful/) are highest in the nation, which I imagine would become more the norm if sovereignty had a positive effect on the state's education system. Between that and the fact that California has a considerable amount of its GSP concentrated in domestic tech/R&D and shipping & commerce, and there may in fact be a good case to be made for California to be viable on it's own.


Image (from here (http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/california-vs-the-world_2010-05-10/)) kinda related.
(click to show/hide)


ETA: that deport all secessionists petition is amazing. Let's do it.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: nickiknack on November 13, 2012, 07:15:46 pm
*points and laughs at the idiot teabaggers making asses out of themselves*
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: mellenORL on November 13, 2012, 07:23:26 pm
Quote from: wrongfrog on November 13, 2012, 06:48:49 pm
Update: Some beautiful genius made a response petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

Now I wonder how many people will take this seriously.

I signed...that was fun! Don't worry, anybody who signed a secession petition for fun...OR to help "get rid" of 'em.

Secession during the Civil War was handled by a majority vote in the seceding states' legislatures and approval by their governors, then the federal reps and senators declared secession in Congress. These petitions are just a fun way to watch people cry waaaaaaaaaaa. And looking at the signers? Most of them are not residents of the particular states these petitions are for, which would make a REAL petition invalid, anyway.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on November 13, 2012, 07:28:22 pm
Teabaggers: "We hate that Obama is turnin' America into a Third World country, so we're gonna go start our own!"

Sounds legit.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: TheUnknown on November 13, 2012, 07:32:29 pm
Someone pointed out that another big problem with these petitions is that they can be started and signed by people who don't even live in the state mentioned in the petition.  Not only that, but since you can probably sign more than one petition at once, it really gives skewed, inaccurate information about how many people in what state actually want secession.

Edit: Dammit, I got ninja'd by mellenORL.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: mellenORL on November 13, 2012, 07:41:14 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on November 13, 2012, 07:32:29 pm
Someone pointed out that another big problem with these petitions is that they can be started and signed by people who don't even live in the state mentioned in the petition.  Not only that, but since you can probably sign more than one petition at once, it really gives skewed, inaccurate information about how many people in what state actually want secession.

Edit: Dammit, I got ninja'd by mellenORL.

Nah, I didn't ninja ya....I'm just old and slow to post
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: rookie on November 13, 2012, 09:16:45 pm
Quote from: Her3tiK on November 13, 2012, 06:53:10 pm


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Gross_Domestic_Product_of_California_2008_%28millions_of_current_dollars%29.svg)



There are some problems. Insurance, for example, is a regulated industry. If California were to secede, they would not be able to sell insurance in America without getting that status bump that allows international companies to sell in the US. Right there, that would hurt them. Real estate would take a hit, too. Unless they have some pretty lax laws in California about land being owned by foreigners. Once the borders you cross become federal instead of state, things change. And I'd be willing to bet that that 12% government would fall more than slightly. And so on.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Fpqxz on November 13, 2012, 09:35:12 pm
This picture is relevant to your interests.

(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff513/CharlieHBryan/Secdee.jpg)
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 13, 2012, 10:07:42 pm
Quick! Everyone sign the 'Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.' petition! (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL)

Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: TheUnknown on November 13, 2012, 10:14:20 pm
Wow, it only needs 4,000 more to reach its goal.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Lt. Fred on November 14, 2012, 12:23:57 am
(http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/these-colors-dont-run.jpg)

East Asia: we've always been at war with those bastards.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: nickiknack on November 14, 2012, 12:31:51 am
Quote from: The Illusive Man on November 13, 2012, 10:07:42 pm
Quick! Everyone sign the 'Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.' petition! (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL)

I signed it, lol
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Zygarde on November 14, 2012, 12:34:07 am
Quote from: The Illusive Man on November 13, 2012, 10:07:42 pm
Quick! Everyone sign the 'Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.' petition! (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL)



If i get deported cause i signed that stupid Texas petition as a joke I'm sneaking back into this country and kicking the petition makers ass.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Askold on November 14, 2012, 01:38:50 am
Quote from: Princess Rainbow on November 14, 2012, 12:34:07 am
Quote from: The Illusive Man on November 13, 2012, 10:07:42 pm
Quick! Everyone sign the 'Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.' petition! (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL)



If i get deported cause i signed that stupid Texas petition as a joke I'm sneaking back into this country and kicking the petition makers ass.

*GASP* Not only is she inciting insurrection, now that rebel is already making threats against U.S. Citizens! Quick we must make a "All those who were deported due to 'Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America' petition must be added on a terrorist list and be banned from entering USA" petition.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Jack Mann on November 14, 2012, 02:40:10 am
Banned from entering?  Hell, we'll ship 'em all to Guantanamo!
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Meshakhad on November 14, 2012, 03:24:59 am
You know, I just had a thought - what would happen if we DID send a bunch of right-wing kooks to Guantanamo? Consider that the bulk of the current inmates are hardline Muslims... that could get messy.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: niam2023 on November 14, 2012, 05:22:18 am
More like messy, delicious schadenfreude...
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Askold on November 14, 2012, 06:15:46 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 14, 2012, 05:22:18 am
More like messy, delicious schadenfreude sex...

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 14, 2012, 06:45:44 am
Quote from: askold on November 14, 2012, 06:15:46 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 14, 2012, 05:22:18 am
More like messy, delicious schadenfreude sex...

Fixed that for you.

I'm not sure if forcing them into a naked human pyramid is really sex. It is indeed both messy and delicious shadenfreude, but technically not sex.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Vypernight on November 14, 2012, 04:13:26 pm
My state, Florida, is one of the states now.  At least the governors are, even the GOP ones, are ignoring the petitions.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Veras on November 14, 2012, 04:21:55 pm
Of course they are.  Not ignoring the petitions signed by only the most radical of the radical fringe would be political suicide.  All the other guy would ever have to say is, "My opponent hates America and democracy so much that he expressed a willingness to secede after the candidate that he supported was defeated in a fair election."
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 14, 2012, 04:25:12 pm
Not to mention I'm pretty sure the politicians themselves are happy being a part of the US. Regardless of who is running the show in D.C.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Veras on November 14, 2012, 04:27:10 pm
True, but if this movement was strong enough to produce viable political support, there would be some mainstream candidates who would jump on it out of political opportunism, regardless of their own views.

Wow I'm cynical.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Her3tiK on November 14, 2012, 04:42:16 pm
Quote from: Veras on November 14, 2012, 04:27:10 pm
True, but if this movement was strong enough to produce viable political support, there would be some mainstream candidates who would jump on it out of political opportunism, regardless of their own views.

Wow I'm cynical.
I could totally see this happening.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on November 14, 2012, 05:17:10 pm
Scratch that, make it all 50 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secession-50-states-_n_2131447.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D234670).

On the asshole scale the situation has now reached Critical Ass.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: worlder on November 14, 2012, 05:24:53 pm
Balkanization FTW.

Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Cataclysm on November 14, 2012, 05:37:12 pm
Quote from: Princess Rainbow on November 14, 2012, 12:34:07 am
Quote from: The Illusive Man on November 13, 2012, 10:07:42 pm
Quick! Everyone sign the 'Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.' petition! (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL)



If i get deported cause i signed that stupid Texas petition as a joke I'm sneaking back into this country and kicking the petition makers ass.

Do you live in Texas? The petition said "their" state  8)
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: nickiknack on November 14, 2012, 05:38:18 pm
Here's an idea, let's give these idiots some land, fund their moving expenses, and be done with the whine babies.

Quote from: Her3tiK on November 14, 2012, 04:42:16 pm
Quote from: Veras on November 14, 2012, 04:27:10 pm
True, but if this movement was strong enough to produce viable political support, there would be some mainstream candidates who would jump on it out of political opportunism, regardless of their own views.

Wow I'm cynical.
I could totally see this happening.
Of course, anything's possible with the crazy known as the tea party.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: wrongfrog on November 14, 2012, 08:19:11 pm
Quote from: Rabbit of Caerbannog on November 14, 2012, 05:17:10 pm
Scratch that, make it all 50 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secession-50-states-_n_2131447.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D234670).

On the asshole scale the situation has now reached Critical Ass.
I'm giving this a week, maybe 2 weeks left for the mainstream media to actually give a shit. I really can't wait for this to just end, because everyone I know is freaking the FUCK out.

But they're also the same people who think that there is a large chance of a revolution against the government, so I get to hear their delusion that enough Americans both want to and have the ability to overthrow the current government on an almost daily basis. And when I point out how unrealistic this prediction is, I get ignored because I'm just "too opinionated".
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Joey on November 15, 2012, 04:13:50 am
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

Quote submitted :)
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 15, 2012, 04:29:51 am
Quote from: Joey on November 15, 2012, 04:13:50 am
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

Quote submitted :)

...Huh?
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Joey on November 15, 2012, 04:51:41 am
Quote from: Commander Shepard on November 15, 2012, 04:29:51 am
Quote from: Joey on November 15, 2012, 04:13:50 am
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

Quote submitted :)

...Huh?
To FSTDT... I thought it was self-explanatory enough...
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 15, 2012, 05:39:51 am
...I don't understand why we had to be informed of that.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 15, 2012, 05:44:55 am
Quote from: Commander Shepard on November 15, 2012, 05:39:51 am
...I don't understand why we had to be informed of that.

I think Joey was trying to be funny...

You know, like, "This quote was so fundie and funny that I submitted it to the main page"
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 15, 2012, 05:49:04 am
I... didn't see a quote. It just took me to the petition page. No matter how many times I tried to load it. Hence the confusion.

But whichever. It's not important.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Qlockworkcanary on November 15, 2012, 12:26:56 pm
Can we call their hypothetical Theocratic nation, "Butthurtia?"
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Vypernight on November 15, 2012, 04:05:02 pm
Just thought of this:

I wonder how many who signed those petitions believe flag burning is unconstitutional.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Meshakhad on November 15, 2012, 04:08:56 pm
Quote from: Vypernight on November 15, 2012, 04:05:02 pm
Just thought of this:

I wonder how many who signed those petitions believe flag burning is unconstitutional.

I once came up with a radical solution to flag-burning - make flags out of non-flammable materials.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: nickiknack on November 15, 2012, 10:10:17 pm
Quote from: Qlockworkcanary on November 15, 2012, 12:26:56 pm
Can we call their hypothetical Theocratic nation, "Butthurtia?"
That's the most prefect name, I love it.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: Vypernight on November 16, 2012, 05:19:31 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on November 15, 2012, 04:08:56 pm
Quote from: Vypernight on November 15, 2012, 04:05:02 pm
Just thought of this:

I wonder how many who signed those petitions believe flag burning is unconstitutional.

I once came up with a radical solution to flag-burning - make flags out of non-flammable materials.

Good idea, but i'm still wondering if those are the same people.
Title: Re: Over 30 states wanting to secede!!!!!!!!!!!omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post by: DrFishcake on November 16, 2012, 06:01:14 am
Really, the only state I want to see secede from the US is the UK.  ::)