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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2012, 02:40:19 pm »
We actually have in rural areas almost privitized firefighters.  Guess what happens if you can't pay the fee.

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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2012, 04:34:40 pm »
I've been to that facebook page, and some of the people there are far from being progessive, one time I went there and most of them were buying into every welfare myth ever spoken.

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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 05:01:23 pm »
Maybe we could use this thread to each post the stupidest bit of libertarian cant we've ever heard?

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I once read a libertarian seriously argue that the government should deregulate petrol prices in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy so  the people who needed it could get it. Can't find a cite, sadly.

I have read a libertarian who argued that the police forces, firefighters, courts, and laws should all be privatized.

Like this?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0</a>

I wouldn't really expect a libertarian to be supportive of states banning same sex marriage. Most probably wouldn't want states to enact marriages. It might just be an expansion of their claim, "if you don't like your job, get a new one".
I'd be more sympathetic if people here didn't act like they knew what they were saying when they were saying something very much wrong.

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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 07:12:01 pm »
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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 07:27:28 pm »
Like this?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0</a>

I wouldn't really expect a libertarian to be supportive of states banning same sex marriage. Most probably wouldn't want states to enact marriages. It might just be an expansion of their claim, "if you don't like your job, get a new one".
So wait, instead of police, we should have...aggression insurance to pay off victims of theft? How will this solve things like rape and murder, exactly?

Oh, and then at the end he talks about how privatized JAILS owned by those companies are so great. The logic of Libertarians seem to lie in the fact that since government isn't the most efficient thing, we should trust our society in the hands of big companies, and that if anything goes wrong, the magic of competition will fix everything.

I sincerely hope these people don't come in power. It's honestly scary how they seem to be gaining popularity, though. Does anyone think they actually have any chance of actually enacting changes like this?
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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2012, 10:29:41 pm »
We currently have privatized jails. These are creating a prison-industrial complex where its in their best interests to run things like shit, while they lobby the government for more and more retarded offenses.

However that idea for the law enforcement companies doesn't make sense. If you are to do that sort of thing, the results are easy to see for a studier of history. The result is feudalism. National defense is privatized by a number of a small citizens who can easily control everyone that is offered by the national defense person. The reason for this is because defense is not easily privatized. My economics teacher gave an example.

If one person buys defense and he lives in a apartment block, nobody else in the apartment will need to buy defense. If everyone was FORCED to pay for defense that would be feudalism.
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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2012, 01:53:55 am »
How the fuck do you privatize laws?

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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2012, 03:37:46 am »
If one person buys defense and he lives in a apartment block, nobody else in the apartment will need to buy defense.

Why? I mean What stops the rent-a-cops from ignoring everything that happens to his neighbours? If there is only one paying customer then as long as that customer gets his service they have fullfilled the contract. Put up a sign on his door: "This apartment is protected by Lone Star inc." as long as the invading mongol horde only rapes and pillages his neighbours (If his service also covers noise pollution they might also come if the screams and gunfire are troubling him.)

And knowing that the criminals are a cowardly (and superstitious, but that is not important right now) and prefer defenseless victims they would probably prioritize those who aren't in a protection racket.

After all even if the cops don't get there in time to protect the customer they still would come after you.
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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2012, 03:49:35 am »
What askold said.

Private defense with a single contract with one person doesn't follow being for the entire apartment block.

We have guards for my neighborhood but you're batty if you think they can protect everyone and that I wouldn't call the local cops in case of break-in or whathaveyou.

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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2012, 04:08:36 am »
How the fuck do you privatize laws?

Legitimately? ...you can't.

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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2012, 04:50:59 am »
A libertarian/anarchist coworker once said the following to me in response to my argument that socialism is the natural extension of democracy and capitalism is inherently antidemocratic.

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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2012, 04:55:05 am »
And what about those who don't have money?
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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2012, 04:59:41 am »
My incredulity at the statement is even more basic than that.  He was saying that voting is unfair because people with more money can influence the governmental process more than people with little money, and proposed an alternative in which the ONLY measure of power would be wealth.
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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2012, 05:26:30 am »
That would just give MORE power to the rich and take away what little the 99% have...


Libertarian logic.
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Re: The dumbest thing I've heard from a Libertarian.
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2012, 07:01:12 am »
How the fuck do you privatize laws?
Privatize enforcement.

Remember that business we were discussing about cops having to enforce all the laws, not just the non-crappy ones? Yeah, imagine they worked on commission instead. Quotas are bad enough, I can try to imagine what kind of bullshit would go on in a system paid for how much it was used. Aside from a few cases I can already think of where private jails have already managed this.