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Society and History / Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Last post by rookie on Today at 09:37:25 am »
Like they did with the Irish and Italians back at the turn of the century? Yeah, that makes sense. Pull the race color card once more slot. They've already decided Catholics are Christian (only) when counted on the census.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Dappler on Today at 05:12:54 am »
Really having trouble understanding Chuck on this one. (Or most of the time, come to think of it. He seems as out of touch with the Universe as Romney was.) It would've been an awesome maneuver if he thought there was a big chance the Republicans would implode and fail to undo the shutdown in the House or if Trump was going to have a dummy spit and refuse to sign, then the shutdown would've been 100%+ Republicans, and they would have zero credibility as adults, let alone Government. Didn't happen though, and didn't look like happening, so couldn't be that. And the DACA promises were weak as shit, so when nothing happens there, it'll be hard to blame the Republicans when it fails, and the CHIP and DACA 'hostage' narrative isn't being put forward enough, and isn't sticking. You know - when crowdfunding sites first opened up and contemptible douche-bags would post a photo of a puppy and say they were going to eat it (or worse) unless they got $10,000 from emo-kids and bleeding-heart liberals (and gullible morons). That's what the Republicans are doing with DACA and CHIP. Sure there's a handful of insane fuckwits who genuinely do want to eat the puppy, but the rest of it was just holding these programmes (and people) hostage to get some sweeteners, and so far the public hasn't called them out on it.

Yes the "DACA needs weeks of negotiating, and has nothing to do with the budget line" was sticking, but the counter narrative of - "we're doing this because you can't trust Republicans to do the right thing", wasn't put forward enough, and it really needed to be.

Which leads to the next three weeks. Is the focus now solely going to be on the wannabe puppy killers? DACA and CHIP are popular, even among sane Republicans (Heck, even popularish amongst the basest base going.) The Republicans are not going to look good if they try to fuck this up, but all they're going to do is talk (lie/make shit up) about security, security, security, security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security,  security. It's going to be 3 weeks of build the wall scaremongering and an avalanche of Dumbo-shit talking points, and the Democrats are going to get pasted with a shit-blaster for not capitulating to anything and everything the rabid right wants, because it's not about DACA, it's about all the other rubbish that's going to be attached to the bill, and Schumer just gave them the go ahead to talk about exactly that. 3 weeks of democrats talking about principles and 3 weeks of hate-mongering towards everyone except the dreamers (who won't get mentioned) by the Republicans and insane rider after insane rider and attachment.

And so in three weeks, when there is no deal, no only is the narrative going to be it's the Democrats fault for wanting immigrants to kill you in your bed and rape your children in front of your eyes, and if they then try to attach it to the budget, they've already capitulated on the precedent for doing so, and it will look terrible, both for that, and moreso because it will look like they're admitting they lost the DACA debate too, and are now trying to hold the Government hostage to fit their 'extreme' views in.

If Schumer thought he was giving the Republicans enough rope to hang themselves, he's in for one really nasty surprise - he just gave a lynch-mob a rope and a permission slip to use it in any way they see fit.

And as much as I wish I was wrong, it really fits with how poorly he judges everything else.

(There is of course the outside possibility that something will pass, but given he has just given all the ground and the upper hand to the Republicans, and the extreme right were running this unmitigated shit-show already, which is why the saner (but still extremely shitty) bipartisan compromises went nowhere, this is frankly a ridiculous thing to expect. You don't give ground to bigots and zealots and expect them to reciprocate - it just encourages them to double or triple their efforts.)

The other option is playing the martyr, bowing out quietly, and watching ICE trying to deport dreamers before the mid-terms. That is a destructive and stupid thing to do, and frankly if you normalise it, it's saner than half of Trumps other shit, so blow-back could be a lot, LOT less than they're banking on - not to mention you just can't do that to people (or puppies), and they'd also be blaming the Democrats (for not paying the $10,000). We gave them a chance to save the dreamers and they didn't. They chose not to. They chose to put politics over people. (You know, like the people who created the situation in the first place, but ssssh on that bit.) Also the SCOTUS might reinstate DACA before then.

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The Lounge / Re: The Newbie Thread
« Last post by Askold on Today at 04:45:06 am »
Nice to see you again Rookie.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Eiki-mun on Today at 03:01:48 am »
What?

If I understood right the Democrats got a life saving program funded for 6 years for giving a temporary relief of 3 weeks to the Republicans. I don't see how anyone can see this as a loss for Democrats. If neither party budges the shutdown is imminent again in three weeks and the Democrats will have as much leverage then as before this deal.

Except the Republicans already had a plan to create a temporary spending bill that would fund CHIP. That was really never the issue - the issue was that Democrats wanted a DACA guarantee, and they shut down the government for the sake of a DACA guarantee... that they didn't get. All they got were a few empty words from Mitch McConnell, a man whose word is as good as a piece of dirt on the ground. In my eyes, that isn't exactly a win - you shut down the government and didn't even get anything out of it except a few words. Trust me, in three weeks McConnell is probably going to just conveniently forget he ever said anything and the Democrats will just go along with it, because that's what they do, has been for years.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by niam2023 on Today at 01:20:33 am »
No - the blame is placed squarely on the shoulders of the Repubs. I have seen polls that demonstrate this. People are not so blind as to ignore that Republicans control Senate, House and the Presidency and this still happened.

What this guy said. Most polls are about 45% blaming the GOP, 25% blaming the dems. I do not know about the other 30%, but I suspect it includes options for blaming "both parties" or "the president"

The Queen speaks correctly. The other options are indeed Both Sides or Just The Prez.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by SCarpelan on Today at 01:19:50 am »
Or the Republicans could just do what they always do, lie and forget about the whole thing. Really, this was a terrible move by the Democrats. They traded away all their leverage in return for a few words from a man who can't be trusted. I don't think they could possibly have gotten less.

What?

If I understood right the Democrats got a life saving program funded for 6 years for giving a temporary relief of 3 weeks to the Republicans. I don't see how anyone can see this as a loss for Democrats. If neither party budges the shutdown is imminent again in three weeks and the Democrats will have as much leverage then as before this deal.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Eiki-mun on January 22, 2018, 11:34:13 pm »
Mostly the president and his damned wall/ fence/ moat or whatever it is today. The good part of this is they have to have something on immigration by I think the 8th. So they're able to force the issue.

Or the Republicans could just do what they always do, lie and forget about the whole thing. Really, this was a terrible move by the Democrats. They traded away all their leverage in return for a few words from a man who can't be trusted. I don't think they could possibly have gotten less.
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Forum Games / Re: Ask the next poster a question!
« Last post by rookie on January 22, 2018, 10:50:58 pm »
At least 1 full briefcase full of unmarked used $20s for a small to medium sized friendly dog.

So how ya been?
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Forum Games / Re: Ask the next poster a question!
« Last post by Art Vandelay on January 22, 2018, 10:40:54 pm »
Depends if the dog is lactating or not.

How much would it take for you to suck a lactating dog's nipple?
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by rookie on January 22, 2018, 10:35:36 pm »
 Mostly the president and his damned wall/ fence/ moat or whatever it is today. The good part of this is they have to have something on immigration by I think the 8th. So they're able to force the issue.
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