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Title: Bullying
Post by: Nightangel8212 on October 12, 2012, 04:19:10 pm
As a former victim of bullying myself, I still carry a low self esteem, and have a difficult time trusting people. However, it seems that bullying seems to be getting worse, not better, especially if the following is any indication:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-girls-suicide-foreshadowed-video-204452577.html

Social media has increased the manner in which one can be bullied. This girl made a mistake when she was 12 years old and flashed a camera. The next few years of her life both online and in school were absolutely horrifying, and my life experiences paled in comparison to her own. People keep asking, "where were her parents in all this?" You think the fact that she switched schools THREE times indicates that her parents were doing what they could, but the sad fact of the matter is, bullying is still running rampant, and little to nothing seems to be getting done about it. Then you get kids who get bullied horrifically, and when they FINALLY stand up for themselves and hit back, THEY are the ones who get in trouble.

Zero tolerance certainly doesn't seem to be working if the above news article and video are any indication. My major question is... why was the man who posted the pic up in the first place not charged with distribution of child porn? Were the little fuckers who beat her up not charged? And why do the schools say "Zero Tolerance", and yet IGNORE the bullying and attack the victim when they try to retaliate?

There simply isn't enough being done. I'm sorry, but when a girl drinks BLEACH to try to end her life, and then has people posting on facebook pictures of Javex and telling her to try different brands so she 'gets it right the next time', that should be get the little shit BANNED from facebook, and EXPELLED from the girl's school!

I don't know if anyone agrees with me here or not, but all I know is that this triggers me. Hardcore. I can't say I know how she felt because I haven't been bullied to the horrific extent she was, but I WAS a victim nonetheless. And if I had been anywhere in her area, if I had been capable of doing so, I would have wrapped that poor girl up in my arms and given her the comfort she so desperately needed in her time of crisis.

RIP Amanda, and know that your story is now out, and you have the support you never got in life.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 12, 2012, 04:58:07 pm
As the son of a teacher, I got my ass handed to me routinely.  A 26-on-1 stomping in high school (my first one, of three) comes to mind... and the one time I tell the local rent-a-cop that I'm considering bringing a weapon with me to defend myself because I'm tired of getting beaten down and having the school do nothing? I'm the one that gets suspended.

My dad finally stepped in and went to the principal, who he went to school with himself years ago.  Dad only had to say one thing:  "You do something, or *I* do something.  And you won't like what I do about it.  Do your motherfucking job, or I'll do it for you."


13 kids expelled, another half dozen suspended for two months.  Yeah.  Shows how far I had to go with it, even with my dad backing me.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: ironbite on October 12, 2012, 06:45:05 pm
And that shouldn't happen.  Ever.  But it does.  Because schools have become so handicapped as lawsuit happy parents enter their kids into school.  So they enact zero tolerance policies that do nothing in the hopes the problem will just...go away.  But it doesn't.  The little shits start getting more and more bold and eventually start thinking nothing can touch them.  Until the day their victim says enough, brings a gun to school, and lets loose a hail of bullets.  It's tragic, it's sad, and it is...inevitable if we continue down this path.  The best way to get this to stop is to stop glorifying bullies in the media and teach kids there are real consequences to their actions.  They are not special little snowflakes who can do no wrong, they are bullies.  If they want to pick on kids so they get a reaction, the reaction won't be the one they want.

Ironbite-*gets off his soap box*
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Søren on October 12, 2012, 08:15:35 pm
I say bring the police in in the first instance of bullying, straight away and take them down. Fuck your childs innocence and the concept schoolyard antics, fuck the concept of child "not being able to hurt a fly". Show the kids what will happen if they continue bullying, show them a video or a picture of dead schoolkids from one kid that said "enough".

Or, take the alternate path, if you know your child is being bullied, teach him how to manipulate the bullies, get them expelled if other options arent feasible. Bullies are stupid little tools, so might as well mess with their heads and manipulate their dumbfuckery into getting kick out.

Is it too obvious that I don't like bullies? :P
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 12, 2012, 10:30:52 pm
As Johnny the Homicidal Maniac once said (paraphrased): How many times do we admit that the victims may have had a hand in creating their killer?
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: tygerarmy on October 12, 2012, 11:41:06 pm
As the son of a teacher, I got my ass handed to me routinely.  A 26-on-1 stomping in high school (my first one, of three) comes to mind... and the one time I tell the local rent-a-cop that I'm considering bringing a weapon with me to defend myself because I'm tired of getting beaten down and having the school do nothing? I'm the one that gets suspended.

My dad finally stepped in and went to the principal, who he went to school with himself years ago.  Dad only had to say one thing:  "You do something, or *I* do something.  And you won't like what I do about it.  Do your motherfucking job, or I'll do it for you."


13 kids expelled, another half dozen suspended for two months.  Yeah.  Shows how far I had to go with it, even with my dad backing me.

Go dad!

If I ever have children I telling them to stand up for themselves. 
In cases where it's 26-1 that probably won't help. 
I would like to think I'd act in the manner that your dad did.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 13, 2012, 02:49:32 am
oh, it got to the point where I was seriously considering just carrying a 12 pound sledgehammer in with me.  If they asked or bitched, my answer would have been "well, you can't protect me, so I'LL protect me!"
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: niam2023 on October 13, 2012, 02:53:22 am
I used to be bullied, usually by a guy named Joseph Stubbs in Middle School. He would trip me, push me, spit on me, and for nothing. I will always remember their names, especially his.

Well, until High School, when they ceased giving me their names, and instead opted to make fun of my temporary phobia of inflated balloons and other things. Two of them would often ambush me as I came to school and left. How I hated them. How I would've liked to kill them.

After a while, that became my mindset. I hated them. Because they got in my way for little or no reason, and ran away rather than instigating a school yard fight. They humiliated me and destroyed my ego to such a degree I retreated into my room for most of the day.

College, thankfully, has no bullies. I am grateful for that. I will not miss their activities nor their bragging and rumor spreading, or their tempting my nature out. I do not like looking unhinged or violent. Because, unless its forced out, I'm not that way. I'm not that bad a guy.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Fpqxz on October 13, 2012, 05:19:05 am
It's tragic, it's sad, and it is...inevitable if we continue down this path.  The best way to get this to stop is to stop glorifying bullies in the media and teach kids there are real consequences to their actions.  They are not special little snowflakes who can do no wrong, they are bullies.  If they want to pick on kids so they get a reaction, the reaction won't be the one they want.

Fucking right on the money here, and I'll tell you why.

The kids who become bullies are often the ones who have problems at home and/or not raised right by the parents.  They don't teach their kids to be polite and, you know, not attack people.  Or worse, they live in a home where verbal and/or physical abuse are the norm, so they have no proper frame of reference as to how to behave properly in school and in public.

On the other side, schools clamp down on self-defense, so the kids who are being bullied are forced to turn to a school administration who either can't or won't help them.

It used to be (at least when I was young, I was born in 1979) that "bullying" meant that you would occasionally get into scrapes with the neighbor's kids or your schoolmates, and they would sometimes involve physical violence.  The sort of persistent, systematic (and computer-enabled) bullying seen here is a bit new to me.  They are often more interested in attacking a person's reputation than physically harming anyone.  It is also much harder to defend against it.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 13, 2012, 06:20:12 am
And I dare say that attacking someone's reputation is more harmful than attacking their body.

I mean, sure, you could kill someone by attacking them, but... reputation damage lasts for a long time, takes a lot longer to heal (sometimes never) and it can persist even beyond death (though you're not exactly in a state to care about it, which is why suicide becomes an attractive option sometimes...)
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Zygarde on October 13, 2012, 01:17:42 pm
I've experienced bullying since I was in grade school and while high school is a bit better. (last year was the worst year and 8th grade was a living hell that I would not want to repeat for all the money in the fucking world and the worst 3rd grade were i was not only bullied by students but the fucking teacher who encouraged it.) Its also bullying that made me until i was about 16 partially suicidal I hate bullying and I hate bullies and I hate people who try to defend bullies!
Rant over!
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Nightangel8212 on October 13, 2012, 05:28:38 pm
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/tormenters-target-b-c-teen-amanda-todd-s-online-memorials-1.994594

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the FUCK is the matter with people?! She's DEAD!!!! WHY DO YOU STILL HAVE TO FUCKING TORMENT HER?!?! Do you self-righteous little FUCKERS have ANY REGARD FOR HER FAMILY'S FEELINGS?! I hope the police fucking well hunt you down and BEAT YOU DOWN AND LOCK YOU AWAY!!!!!

I don't give a flying FUCK what she did before her death! You little bastards are celebrating it, and there's even rumors that you're going to a PARTY THIS WEEKEND TO CELEBRATE HER SUICIDE!!!!

FUCK YOU ALL YOU LITTLE FUCKERS!!!!
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: ironbite on October 13, 2012, 05:35:33 pm
Because this is what the new generation of bullies do.  They torment past death.  They love it.  It gives them attention from other fuckwits who want to do shit like this but don't want to risk disapproval.  And when called to the carpet for their actions, they just cite freedom of speech.

Ironbite-wonder how free they'll be if someone tracked them down and then beat them into the carpet.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 13, 2012, 05:46:43 pm
There is only one word to describe people like this.

Pathetic.

Nothing more needs to be said about them.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 13, 2012, 07:17:04 pm
There is only one word to describe people like this.

Pathetic.

Nothing more needs to be said about them.

Nonono, pathetic is kind.  Pathetic makes them pitiable and worthy of attention.  They are not pathetic, they're scum.  They do not deserve pity, these monsters do not deserve kindness.  They deserve to have their asses beaten into the ground like they do to their victims.  Let them experience the sheer terror they evoke in others, then...then, they will understand.  Then, they will stop.

If there is one type of person I don't have a shred of pity, mercy, or even basic concern for, its bullies.  No sympathy, no mercy, no pity.  Ever.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: SpaceProg on October 13, 2012, 08:41:59 pm
With me the word is "Evil".  Disgusting.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Saturn500 on October 13, 2012, 09:00:30 pm
I prefer "badonger".
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 14, 2012, 02:29:42 am
The Young Turks have a video about this.
The comments were horrible.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 14, 2012, 02:35:39 am
Let me clarify.

When I mean "pathetic", I don't mean "pitiable".  They're pathetic.  And I say that with as much venom as I can muster.

These are mere worms, wriggling about looking for the most basic form of attention, thinking themselves so superior to other people.

They're not even worth calling evil.  They're just not.

They're worth stopping, because of the harm they cause, but to call them "evil" is complimenting them.  I don't have nearly enough faith in them as people to compliment them.

So when I mean "pathetic", I mean this as the worst insult I can possibly muster.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 14, 2012, 03:39:04 am
It's funny how this sort of things always goes. Every month or so, one particular case of bullying makes the news and goes viral. Outraged people everywhere rush to their keyboards to demand justice and sweeping reforms to prevent this from ever happening again, for at least a week or so. Then everyone loses interest until the next big story tugs the internet's collective heartstrings and the cycle repeats.

It happens on every forum I frequent pretty much in unison. I imagine there's a good psychology paper in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Distind on October 14, 2012, 06:12:49 am
The real problem is there isn't a solution to it.

It's not a lack of empathy, it's not an excess of aggression, and it's certainly not a lack of understanding what they could wind up doing. There will always be at least one twisted little fuck who wants to make others suffer. Now they have access to the internet and can cause problems for everyone. There are some exceptions, people with the slightest redeemable qualities, but not as many as one would hope.

I say this as someone who also went through plenty of bullying and solved the problem with a number of people. Some of them where decent people who hung out with idiots, others I simply found ways to complicate their lives until they didn't have time to harass me. Which I have to say some of these twisted little fucks will make very easy for you, habitual drug use, multiple 'girlfriends', assumptions of invincibility. It's just a matter of finding the holes you can Huck a wrench into and run. The entire 'ruling clique' of my school fell in on itself after enough of them heard what the others said behind their backs. It was fun to watch, resulted in an utterly epic fight by high school standards too.

That all said, nothing anyone ever says to, about or near you is worth killing yourself over. Fucking up your own life I can see killing yourself over, but I wouldn't give these pricks the pleasure. I wish there was some way to point out to these kids how inconsequential anything but what you learn in school is going to be after you graduate. Dealing with pricks is a damn useful skill too.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Sleepy on October 14, 2012, 09:57:02 am
Even if we can never eliminate bullies, schools are partially at fault for their treatment of the situation. Some schools brush it off when a student tells an administrator about it, and it only gets worse from there. Some of them are complete morons about self-defense, as well. There's a partial solution in there somewhere if schools would reach out and pay attention to the victims.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: niam2023 on October 14, 2012, 02:46:27 pm
I am very, very tempted to pay a visit to that party. And not a peaceful visit either.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Saturn500 on October 14, 2012, 03:11:22 pm
I am very, very tempted to pay a visit to that party. And not a peaceful visit either.

^This 100%
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Iczerfour on October 14, 2012, 07:34:07 pm
I am very, very tempted to pay a visit to that party. And not a peaceful visit either.
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Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rookie on October 14, 2012, 07:51:43 pm
When I had enough of my bully in the 7th grade, I took my week suspension as the cost of doing business. Have enough of him, break his nose and have him pissing blood for two days, take my week vacation, write my "apology letter" (I'm sorry you made me do this, I'm sorry it took me 7 years to do it, I'm sorry the damage wasn't worse, I'm hoping you realize I can do this again if I have to...). Everything has reactions. And I always figured my suspension was the reaction for standing up for myself.

Side note, the kid backed way off everyone. We became friendly over the years, we still email every now and again.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 14, 2012, 07:56:33 pm
I just backed one of mine against a corner, and told him that if he ever got the balls to fuck with me again, I'd gut him and hang him with his own entrails.

This was in 4th grade, by the way.

...

Yeah, I was a really, really fucking angry child.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Nightangel8212 on October 14, 2012, 09:15:36 pm
My nephew has been getting bullied this year. In the first week, one child deliberately PEED on him in the bathroom. The teachers just sort of laughed it off and had my sister come to the school with a change of clothes for him.

Then a couple of weeks ago, a boy who is in the fifth grade beat him up. My nephew is in the second grade, but because he couldn't identify the other student by NAME, the teachers told him there was nothing they could do about it. Um... no. When I was beaten up and didn't know the girl's name, the school handed me a large binder with photo's of every student in the school and let me look through it until I saw the girl who had done it!

My sister is already about to go apeshit on the school. I'm beginning to think their "Zero Tolerance" policy REALLY means "Shhhh.... don't tell anybody... you'll make our school look bad!"
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: largeham on October 14, 2012, 09:25:14 pm
That's generally what zero tolerance policies seem to be: zero tolerance of bad publicity.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Fpqxz on October 14, 2012, 10:16:28 pm
That's generally what zero tolerance policies seem to be: zero tolerance of bad publicity.

Zero tolerance policies don't exist to actually solve problems.  They exist to maintain a culture of silence (thus avoiding negative publicity for the school and parents of the involved students), and avoid having to grant involved students anything resembling due process by simply punishing all people involved in an altercation, while still making it appear as if the school administration is doing something.

Unfortunately, it also creates a classic case of unintended consequences.  A student being bullied (or involved with drugs, etc.) who needs help cannot simply go to the authorities for fear of punishment and further humiliation.  So he is forced to either A) accept his situation (usually to the detriment of his mental & physical health), B) become a vigilante, or C) get someone else to fix the problem for him (e.g. an older sibling, local gang leader, etc.)

So the schools have managed to inculcate, indirectly, both a distrust of authority and a belief that violence and revenge are the only solution to a problem.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: ironbite on October 15, 2012, 12:17:50 am
I'm impressed letters.  Didn't know you knew big boy words.

Anyways as for your sister's kid Nighty...yeah this school sounds really nice.  Yeah nothing we can do folks cause the kid who got the snot beat out of him can't tell us the name o fhis attacker.  Oh well.

Ironbite-and then they wonder why school shootings happen.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Vypernight on October 15, 2012, 06:11:50 am
I get bothered the most not by the lack of empathy, but by the people in charge not punishing the bully but punishing the victim who fights back.  When I was in summer camp, I was about 13 and 100 lbs. soaking wet.  Some 300 lb. kid picked on me every day.  My parents told the counsellors, but they did nothing.

Then we were at the pool when the kid jumped right on top of me while I was in the water.  Maybe it was just my view at the time, but I thought I was going to drown.  He got out of the water laughing, and I got out and punched him right in the face.  The kid went crying to the counsellors and I spent the rest of the day on the bus.

I never went back to camp after that.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Distind on October 15, 2012, 08:36:58 am
I may well merge the two bullying threads.

But the incident I referenced in the other thread involving a fight on a bus and a camera. I nearly got thrown out of school over it, after having gotten caught defending myself enough times that I was considered a problem. I'd be more likely to doubt myself if I hadn't had one of my friends in detention as often as I was with me, as he knew plenty well when not to back my ass. The only reason I wasn't prior to that fight was my mother threatening legal action, only reason I wasn't after that fight was, despite the administration's reaction, my fucking bus driver brought up the video and proved that I was defending myself. And once you get a few people nearly expelled people leave you alone a bit, and oddly enough after the people who regularly attacked me were suddenly gone my own record became far better.

The administration was entirely happy to use an incident involving 3 high schoolers, and 1 middle schooler to kick the middle schooler out. Until someone pointed out they had evidence they should bother looking at.

I'll definitely agree there are problems with some of the administrations over things like this. But I haven't seen as much of that particular problem in other school systems. At the same time, there are some things which simply don't enough evidence to be properly dealt with and other that don't really fall under a crime unless we criminalize being a prick.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rageaholic on October 15, 2012, 10:01:46 am
I get bothered the most not by the lack of empathy, but by the people in charge not punishing the bully but punishing the victim who fights back.  When I was in summer camp, I was about 13 and 100 lbs. soaking wet.  Some 300 lb. kid picked on me every day.  My parents told the counsellors, but they did nothing.

Then we were at the pool when the kid jumped right on top of me while I was in the water.  Maybe it was just my view at the time, but I thought I was going to drown.  He got out of the water laughing, and I got out and punched him right in the face.  The kid went crying to the counsellors and I spent the rest of the day on the bus.

I never went back to camp after that.

Typical cowardly bullies.  They can dish it out and make peoples lives hell, but the moment someone fights back, they cry and cry and cry.  It's not much different than the Christian right who act like they're being oppressed because they can't mistreat others.  And speaking of the Christian right, here's a RAGE inducing comment on the Amanda Todd situation.

Quote
I am sorry this young woman was not equipped with the brains to understand that showing your body naked on cam is a really stupid thing. Is she victim or a volunteer? I say she's a volunteer and through her one stupid mistake she brought on to herself too much wrath for her to handle. It's important to raise your kids with strong moral values so that they do not make this very serious first mistake.

What does this have to do with the Christian right?  Well, I highly suspect this asshole is one of them.  All his talk about "strong moral values" while blaming the victim sounds very familiar... 
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 15, 2012, 04:33:57 pm
Plenty of people have taken nude pictures. Going by their logic every woman who posed for a nude painting is a whore that deserves to die.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Nightangel8212 on October 15, 2012, 07:58:27 pm
I thought some of you might find this article interesting...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/internet-trolls-cloak-anonymity-torment-amanda-todd-death-195732341.html

One troll who calls himself "Haunter" is trying to claim that those speaking out against his disgusting posts and images are the real bullies. I think the true definition of a bully is someone who posts disgusting images and comments regarding a suicide victim while laughing at people's responses and hiding behind an IP address. This is someone who obviously doesn't stop to consider how the victim's family would react to seeing such images, knowing very well that they are in reference to their daughter's death. Is it possible to have someone's internet privileges revoked by law? Because I really think that people who engage in this sort of behavior SHOULD be banned from using the internet!
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 15, 2012, 09:30:44 pm
Is it possible to have someone's internet privileges revoked by law? Because I really think that people who engage in this sort of behavior SHOULD be banned from using the internet!
Yeah, but only if they actually break the law. What is possible though is some tech savvy vigilante manages to find and release this fellow's name and contact details for all to see. That way, anyone on the internet is free to unleash their wrath on him in many delightfully creative ways.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 15, 2012, 09:42:07 pm
I wonder where 4chan stands on this issue.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Smurfette Principle on October 15, 2012, 10:07:52 pm
I wonder where 4chan stands on this issue.

Likely they're either egging it on or don't give two fucks one way or the other. Keep in mind that harassing suicide victims beyond the grave is classic Anonymous.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 15, 2012, 10:16:35 pm
Is it possible to have someone's internet privileges revoked by law? Because I really think that people who engage in this sort of behavior SHOULD be banned from using the internet!

Yeah, I remember watching this documentary about these two boys who were banned from the internet because they got someone killed.


Edit, I just found this on Tumblr:

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are we really going to do this? i guess we’re gonna do this. some 15 year old kills herself because she couldn’t deal with bullying, and because her parents didn’t know how to be sufficient caregivers, and i’m supposed to give a fuck?
 
guess what assholes? bullying is a fucking joke. yeah, bullies are shallow and ignorant people, but if you’re getting bullied, put your nuts on the table and play the game. there are people who don’t have any food or clean water to drink, and you’re telling me you can’t deal with someone calling you “gay” or “whore?”
 
get over yourselves.

Apperantly bullying isnt a problem because some people live in poverty, or something.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rageaholic on October 16, 2012, 12:15:24 am
Oh the "not so different" card.  Yet another bullshit  arguement fundies use.  More proof that internet trolls and fundies have a lot in common. 

As for this Haunter guy, from what he said, why do I get the feeling he looks like this.

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090226142213/villains/images/9/93/Joker_in_Prison.jpg)
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Søren on October 16, 2012, 02:25:39 am
Every time I see the "person x has it worse off than you, so you dont have the right to be depressed" argument, I wish to castrate them.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 16, 2012, 02:32:55 am
Every time I see the "person x has it worse off than you, so you dont have the right to be depressed argument", I wish to castrate them.

You too?
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 16, 2012, 04:37:22 am
"Wish to?"  I start looking for my knife.  The rusty one.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Kain on October 16, 2012, 07:13:23 am
Every time I see the "person x has it worse off than you, so you dont have the right to be depressed argument", I wish to castrate them.

You too?

Oh good, I'm not the only one, then.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Nightangel8212 on October 16, 2012, 12:24:02 pm
Ooh, interesting development here! Anonymous has involved itself with this!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/amanda-todds-alleged-tormentor-named-hacker-group-011945897.html

Apparently they have posted the personal information of a 32 year old man who they say was her primary tormentor... the man who sent her images to friends and teachers. Given that the man has received many death threats since being exposed, he seems to have gone into hiding and now Vancouver police are worried about the public going vigilante on his ass.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 16, 2012, 12:31:59 pm
What do you know, I called it.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rageaholic on October 16, 2012, 01:47:38 pm
So the guy is basically a pedo.  He targeted a 14 year old girl (who was probably 14 at the time), and held her mistake against her.  Yet, I bet people would still be blaming her saying that it's her fault for getting involved in the first place.

Fuckers. 
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 16, 2012, 03:43:51 pm
So long as he suffers, I think I can call it at least partially karmatically even.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Distind on October 16, 2012, 04:48:35 pm
So the guy is basically a pedo.  He targeted a 14 year old girl (who was probably 14 at the time), and held her mistake against her.  Yet, I bet people would still be blaming her saying that it's her fault for getting involved in the first place.

Fuckers.
I'm rather lost on how posting naked pictures of yourself isn't supposed to come back to haunt you. But certainly nothing to the apparent extent he did. I'd figure they'd just circulate through some guys she knew and be the source for the odd rumor. Just because something hurt someone doesn't excuse them from fucking up in the first place. The victim as a sacred being business is wearing rather thin on me. The point should be someone has exploited a mistake, not that someone has horribly oppressed this magically blameless person.

But short note for any women on the forum, you probably don't want to trust any guy with photos like that. Even the most private and caring guy is liable to have a failure of judgement involving the line "Nya look what I've got bitches". Definitely don't trust any image hosting sites with them, no matter what their security settings say, there's a way to access them if people try hard enough. I know, I had to prove it to a few people.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Nightangel8212 on October 16, 2012, 05:53:17 pm
So the guy is basically a pedo.  He targeted a 14 year old girl (who was probably 14 at the time), and held her mistake against her.  Yet, I bet people would still be blaming her saying that it's her fault for getting involved in the first place.

Fuckers.

She was 12 at the time the pictures were taken if my memory serves me correctly.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rageaholic on October 16, 2012, 07:45:54 pm
So the guy is basically a pedo.  He targeted a 14 year old girl (who was probably 14 at the time), and held her mistake against her.  Yet, I bet people would still be blaming her saying that it's her fault for getting involved in the first place.

Fuckers.

She was 12 at the time the pictures were taken if my memory serves me correctly.

That's even worse. 
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Igor on October 16, 2012, 08:23:20 pm
Every time I see the "person x has it worse off than you, so you dont have the right to be depressed" argument, I wish to castrate them.
Having used that line of reasoning on myself far too much in the past, I completely agree...
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rageaholic on October 17, 2012, 12:21:40 am
Every time I see the "person x has it worse off than you, so you dont have the right to be depressed" argument, I wish to castrate them.
Having used that line of reasoning on myself far too much in the past, I completely agree...

Yeah, I've used that on myself too.  All it does is remind of me how things can get much much worse, which is the last thing you need when you feel utterly hopeless. 
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on October 17, 2012, 06:20:56 pm
I'm just amazed that this girl was bullied over boob shots. If I saw one of my classmates topless online, I'd probably chuckle in surprise, then immediately forget about it. What about this picture prompted people to ruin her life? Hell, forget boob pics, I'd feel the same way if they were full on nudes. What peoples people see nudity and act like idiots?

I mean, boob shots made people act like idiots. Grow up and stop tormenting kids.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: ironbite on October 17, 2012, 07:15:02 pm
Because the people harassing her wanted more.  They felt that since she flashed her boobs at age 12, at age 15, she'll be sure to have sex with them.  Or something.  The point is the bullying was a way to try and make her do more then what she did when she was younger.  Because obviously a slut would do that sorta thing.

Ironbite-makes me glad that htis board's NSFW section got nuked even if I'll not be able to see the Smurfette boobies.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Distind on October 18, 2012, 06:40:05 am
There's a reason we were rather agressive about not posting anyone underage, beyond the odd legal ramification.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rookie on October 18, 2012, 04:19:06 pm
Wasn't the legal thing enough? That and because it's, ya know, wrong?
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Distind on October 18, 2012, 04:36:44 pm
Wasn't the legal thing enough? That and because it's, ya know, wrong?
You'd think that'd be enough, but it's not like it stops people. Plus when you tell a teenager something is wrong you've got a fair chance they'll do it anyway, if you tell them "I'd rather not get arrested" they might listen.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: rookie on October 18, 2012, 08:22:26 pm
You'd think that'd be enough, but it's not like it stops people. Plus when you tell a teenager something is wrong you've got a fair chance they'll do it anyway, if you tell them "I'd rather not get arrested" they might listen.

Well, yes. it is true you aren't going to stop dumbass kids from being dumbass kids. What I meant was a little different. I assume moderating and administering a site such as this comes with a size 14 steel toed boot designed specifically for punting pictures of body parts that haven't aged the correct amount of years the hell off anything you are controlling. I also assume it comes with a crowbar for removing said boot from whatever knucklehead put the picture there in the first place.

But looking back, you might have meant "We" as the FSTDT community, not necessarily "We" the Moderators.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 18, 2012, 09:39:13 pm
You'd think that'd be enough, but it's not like it stops people. Plus when you tell a teenager something is wrong you've got a fair chance they'll do it anyway, if you tell them "I'd rather not get arrested" they might listen.

Well, yes. it is true you aren't going to stop dumbass kids from being dumbass kids. What I meant was a little different. I assume moderating and administering a site such as this comes with a size 14 steel toed boot designed specifically for punting pictures of body parts that haven't aged the correct amount of years the hell off anything you are controlling. I also assume it comes with a crowbar for removing said boot from whatever knucklehead put the picture there in the first place.

But looking back, you might have meant "We" as the FSTDT community, not necessarily "We" the Moderators.

I dunno, Krad's got some good shitkickers... he probably has boot knives in there for good measure.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: syaoranvee on October 19, 2012, 03:11:43 am
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Because I really think that people who engage in this sort of behavior SHOULD be banned from using the internet!

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Seriously, this line of reasoning is flawed. First off, it's impossible given how easy it is to find a access point to the internet. Second,  A person completely disconnected from the internet wouldn't even be able to keep up with society. Hell, a large chunk of jobs require a online application and many have been phasing out paper based ones.  Third, such a ban on a person would likely go to court and be struck down. So overall, this isn't a logical approach but a overemotional one.
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Søren on October 19, 2012, 04:54:39 am
Wasn't the legal thing enough? That and because it's, ya know, wrong?
You'd think that'd be enough, but it's not like it stops people. Plus when you tell a teenager something is wrong you've got a fair chance they'll do it anyway, if you tell them "I'd rather not get arrested" they might listen.

Using moral reasoning to stop a person from doing something instead of using legal reasoning is stupid anyway
Title: Re: Bullying
Post by: Distind on October 19, 2012, 06:15:16 am
Well, yes. it is true you aren't going to stop dumbass kids from being dumbass kids. What I meant was a little different. I assume moderating and administering a site such as this comes with a size 14 steel toed boot designed specifically for punting pictures of body parts that haven't aged the correct amount of years the hell off anything you are controlling. I also assume it comes with a crowbar for removing said boot from whatever knucklehead put the picture there in the first place.

But looking back, you might have meant "We" as the FSTDT community, not necessarily "We" the Moderators.
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/us/internet-troll-apology/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Internet moderation standards aren't quite what you'd expect.

Seriously, this line of reasoning is flawed. First off, it's impossible given how easy it is to find a access point to the internet. Second,  A person completely disconnected from the internet wouldn't even be able to keep up with society. Hell, a large chunk of jobs require a online application and many have been phasing out paper based ones.  Third, such a ban on a person would likely go to court and be struck down. So overall, this isn't a logical approach but a overemotional one.
Not as likely as you'd think. Technically the prick behind that innocence of muslims movie was prohibited from either using computers or the internet by court order after repeated fraud attempts. From what I've seen it's been treated as being perfectly legal. That said, the internet is not vital to survival or communication, so I don't see it getting treated as such any time soon.