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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2013, 05:27:52 pm »
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The United States and South Korea, as expected, maintain the most modern infantry transports of the trio. However, South Korea also has a good stock of older models that are somewhat comparable to the North Korean vehicles without the Soviet design features. The most numerous North Korean APC is the BTR-60, which has a number of problems when used in extended combat (mostly very thin armor) and ironically a difficulty fighting in mountainous terrain....like North Korea. The standard American vehicle, the M2 Bradley, is more numerous than North Korean vehicles while also having a primary weapon that's both fast firing and capable of taking on many models of DPRK tank. However, it should be noted that Allied vehicles are not invulnerable to tank cannons or missiles and RPGs (which can be easily hidden for ambush) and many of them are susceptible to IEDs and similar roadside explosives.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2013, 05:43:41 pm »
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2013, 05:50:50 pm »
Chit...do us all a favor and spoiler tag your porn and then give a brief summery at the end.

Ironbite-it's a lot of info and you're just dumping it on us.

Actually, that sounds like a really good idea.

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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2013, 05:55:03 pm »
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2013, 06:24:47 pm »
Any thoughts on whether or not China might help us out? I think it's more likely than you might think.
I asked my mother on her input. She says China would do everything it can to prevent another Korean War, since in the worst case, North Korean refugees would go straight to China. Only problem is that North Korea has stopped listening to them.

Would there be so many refugees going to China if there are troops coming OUT of China? I'm not talking about China giving us intel; I'm talking about PLA boots on the ground in North Korea.
Not sure about that. I mean, I think there are North Koreans that try to sneak into China without getting caught.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2013, 06:57:02 pm »
Unarmored Vehicles and Trucks

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As the above article says, a truck is a truck. The US may have more designs of truck and more advanced or specific breeds, but all of these vehicles are either light and meant to transport officers and light cargo, or they're prime movers used for hauling cargo and towed guns. While the US has some unique designs, their cargo trucks are generally almost identical in capability. That said, it's possible that the most dangerous North Korean job may be "truck driver": supply lines are a vital target, and it's highly probable that any convoys or even individual trucks will be targeted and destroyed to deny the enemy its contents. Using the trucks as troop transports in lieu of dedicated APCs means that you lose everyone inside, and losing three whole squads to one bomb or shoulder-fired rocket is not a pleasant thing. With the US and South Korea easily achieving air superiority, their own cargo vehicles will be under much less danger from bombings as long as they stay off the front lines as much as possible.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2013, 06:59:26 pm »
Any thoughts on whether or not China might help us out? I think it's more likely than you might think.
I asked my mother on her input. She says China would do everything it can to prevent another Korean War, since in the worst case, North Korean refugees would go straight to China. Only problem is that North Korea has stopped listening to them.

Would there be so many refugees going to China if there are troops coming OUT of China? I'm not talking about China giving us intel; I'm talking about PLA boots on the ground in North Korea.
Not sure about that. I mean, I think there are North Koreans that try to sneak into China without getting caught.

There are indeed large amounts of North Koreans trying to flee to South Korea or China, and refugees are actually who we get a lot of our information from. The country is terrible, but they strictly control their borders. While South Korea is much more welcoming of their brethren, China despises the refugees. They've already got a big population issue, and a sudden influx of millions trying to flee north would be a great incentive for them to totally lock down.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2013, 08:03:48 pm »
South Korea is more than just welcoming of North Korean refugees--they grant automatic citizenship to all North Koreans. The ultimate goal for most people trying to escape North Korea is actually South Korea. They only go through China (and other countries, some several thousand miles) because it's pretty well impossible to simply escape across the DMZ--demilitarized zone--that divides the North and South. It contains over a million landmines and is the most heavily fortified border in the world.
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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2013, 08:11:37 pm »
South Korea is more than just welcoming of North Korean refugees--they grant automatic citizenship to all North Koreans. The ultimate goal for most people trying to escape North Korea is actually South Korea. They only go through China (and other countries, some several thousand miles) because it's pretty well impossible to simply escape across the DMZ--demilitarized zone--that divides the North and South. It contains over a million landmines and is the most heavily fortified border in the world.

Also, it's difficult to get across the country because you're entirely reliant on government-run trains or walking (cars are a luxury and most citizens only see them either as government vehicles or rented out by technically private companies for transport service). It's just not possible to cross the terrain in any sensible length of time without coming under suspicion, especially since the fastest way around is controlled by the regime. China is just plain closer for some people.
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2013, 08:18:23 pm »
You need a permit to travel outside your city of residence anyway, even if you ARE one of the lucky elite living in Pyongyang. The government there is so thoroughly discouraging (and somewhat justifiably paranoid) about people travelling that even a BICYCLE is considered a special gift for the lucky and well-trusted few. Even having a BIKE is seen as too much freedom of mobility. Seriously.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2013, 08:38:36 pm »
As I hear more and more about the horrible state of North Korea, I wonder how likely is it that there won't be a New Korean War so much as a fairly-extended Battle of Korea? A few die-hards aside, I'd imagine that as stories spread (and they will, no matter how hard what remains of the NK leadership tries to stop them, people being what they are) that we're giving out what seems like an enormous quantity of food and not acting like fire-breathing monsters, the civilian population would become increasingly likely to flip in large quantities.

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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2013, 08:51:51 pm »
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...that we're giving out what seems like an enormous quantity of food...

It's interesting you bring this up. I've read and watched interviews with North Korean defectors and this is one of the things that they bring up a lot, regardless of where they end up. FOOD. They're fascinated by and in love with the seemingly inexhaustible supplies of food that exist outside North Korea. They talk about food almost with more happiness and fondness than they talk about the other myriad basic human liberties they have now that they're no longer in The Happiest Place on Earth--freedom of expression, movement, media, speech, basic healthcare, schooling, and privacy are all well and good but OH MY GOD THERE'S FOOD HERE.

I'm not trying to say this is a weird thing or a laughable thing. It's just one of the many things that tells you rather a lot about how terrible a place North Korea is, that the people who manage to escape are so taken by the simple fact that food is available whenever you need or want it.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2013, 08:56:29 pm »
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Anti-aircraft guns don't factor into modern combat very much, as jets can simply fly faster than they can be tracked. Many anti-air guns have either been retired or turned to ground combat, but they still remain in use because of their ability to destroy helicopters with even proximity detonations of their explosive rounds and ability to shoot slower and higher jets. Most modern AA capability is given over to anti-aircraft missiles, both man-portable and otherwise. While anti-aircraft missiles like the Stinger and SA-7 or SA-16 are typically similar in power and capability, North Korea simply doesn't have as many as the US and South Korea. In any case, American and South Korean air superiority will likely bring an end to North Korean aircraft more than ground based AA defenses. At the same time, North Korean AA guns will likely be turned on ground targets, where their high calibers and explosive ammunition present a major threat to infantry and light vehicles, even MBTs.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2013, 08:59:00 pm »
As I hear more and more about the horrible state of North Korea, I wonder how likely is it that there won't be a New Korean War so much as a fairly-extended Battle of Korea? A few die-hards aside, I'd imagine that as stories spread (and they will, no matter how hard what remains of the NK leadership tries to stop them, people being what they are) that we're giving out what seems like an enormous quantity of food and not acting like fire-breathing monsters, the civilian population would become increasingly likely to flip in large quantities.

Well, the civilians aren't the major issue. The problem we'd face with a propaganda campaign is that the people it needs to influence the most are the soldiers, who are either conscripts who will be killed and have their families and friends executed for disobedience or the most fanatic officers who lead them. Fear is a powerful motivator, and as I've said, you need to guarantee the safety of the soldiers and their families to get them to defect from the regime instead of simply blindly following orders. The fanatics are basically crazy, and the only solution to stop them is to shoot them.
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Re: The New Korean War: Discuss it here
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2013, 12:24:25 am »
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...that we're giving out what seems like an enormous quantity of food...

It's interesting you bring this up. I've read and watched interviews with North Korean defectors and this is one of the things that they bring up a lot, regardless of where they end up. FOOD. They're fascinated by and in love with the seemingly inexhaustible supplies of food that exist outside North Korea. They talk about food almost with more happiness and fondness than they talk about the other myriad basic human liberties they have now that they're no longer in The Happiest Place on Earth--freedom of expression, movement, media, speech, basic healthcare, schooling, and privacy are all well and good but OH MY GOD THERE'S FOOD HERE.

I'm not trying to say this is a weird thing or a laughable thing. It's just one of the many things that tells you rather a lot about how terrible a place North Korea is, that the people who manage to escape are so taken by the simple fact that food is available whenever you need or want it.

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