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Title: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 17, 2012, 12:51:38 pm
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10065503/1 (http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10065503/1)

Doubt it will go anywhere but wow so many pissed off fans >.>
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: SimSim on March 17, 2012, 12:55:12 pm
This seems incredibly silly.
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: shykid on March 17, 2012, 12:57:05 pm
...seriously?? lol.
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 17, 2012, 02:07:10 pm
HOLY FUCK.

So many fucking spoiled gamers!

And so many of these gamers grew up with games where you were more likely to get "Congratulations, you beat the game!" as an ending screen.

Ugh.....
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 17, 2012, 03:17:10 pm
Dear fellow Mass Effect players:

(http://i.imgur.com/OfT8o.gif)
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: VirtualStranger on March 17, 2012, 04:00:45 pm
FTC? That's fucking ridiculous.

Why don't they just ask Bioware to fix the game? I bet they're probably already working on some "ending dlc" as we speak.

EDIT: We already have a Mass Effect 3 thread, as well as the video game general thread. Do you guys like making redundant threads just for the fuck of it?
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 17, 2012, 04:14:11 pm
1) They already 'asked' in the way of a petition and multiple angry threads on the Bioware forums
2) 'you guys'?
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: e13 on March 17, 2012, 05:59:44 pm
Oh... THIS is what you were talking about, Shane... Seriously, this is stupid.  :o
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 18, 2012, 04:46:21 pm
Quote from: e13 on March 17, 2012, 05:59:44 pm
Oh... THIS is what you were talking about, Shane... Seriously, this is stupid.  :o

Haha, yep. It was. I heard about it early on twitter. It is VERY stupid. -_-
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 18, 2012, 09:58:13 pm
Have I mentioned I hate most gaming fans?

Because I hate most gaming fans.

A lot.

It seems like they can do nothing but whine like ungrateful bitches.

To the point where even people who make genuine criticisms are drowned out.

Of course, silent majority, loud minority, and all that.  But still, they infect the communities like a plague.
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Servo on March 19, 2012, 08:57:03 am
https://www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3/posts/356310957746286

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The #RetakeMassEffect movement does not in anyway support the idea of reporting Bioware or EA to the FTC. This isn't about a legal issue, it's about Mass Effect fans standing together to support an amazing series.
Title: Re: Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: e13 on March 19, 2012, 12:10:42 pm
Quote from: Servo on March 19, 2012, 08:57:03 am
https://www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3/posts/356310957746286

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The #RetakeMassEffect movement does not in anyway support the idea of reporting Bioware or EA to the FTC. This isn't about a legal issue, it's about Mass Effect fans standing together to support an amazing series.
I'm all for the right to bitch and see if you can get your problems addressed. It rarely works, but whatever floats your boat.

The FTC thing is dumb as fuck, and I'm glad this group is not standing by the insanity. It's waste of time, and frankly, taxpayer money.

The product was provided, you didn't like a subjective part of it, grow the fuck up. It works as advertised.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 21, 2012, 09:51:28 am
Amazon and now EA's Origins is offering refunds for ME3 in response to the FTC filings.

Amazon.com has stated that they will take the game back for an exact refund, even if the case has been opened and any code has been used. EA’s own digital distribution service Origin will also be refunding players. All they have to do is contact customer services and the game will be taken off of their account.

http://sticktwiddlers.com/2012/03/21/refunds-offered-for-mass-effect-3/ (http://sticktwiddlers.com/2012/03/21/refunds-offered-for-mass-effect-3/)

This just keeps getting crazier.  Though if you bought your game from gamestop you are still F-ed haha.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 21, 2012, 12:43:48 pm
I got my Collector's Edition ME3 from Newegg and the thought of sending it back for a refund has not crossed my mind even once.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: e13 on March 21, 2012, 02:34:35 pm
It's 99% an amazing game. I think people have the right to ask for DLC to increase different types of endings, so you still feel as if you can control an outcome, and to threaten not buying another game, the usual first world problems and all... But people are acting like this is some sort of swindle or scam. It's pure, unadulturated bullshit, and these so-called "gamers" are ruining a relationship with a divison of EA that hasn't completely screwed gamers over in the past.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Shane for Wax on March 21, 2012, 04:46:48 pm
Quote from: e13 on March 21, 2012, 02:34:35 pm
It's 99% an amazing game. I think people have the right to ask for DLC to increase different types of endings, so you still feel as if you can control an outcome, and to threaten not buying another game, the usual first world problems and all... But people are acting like this is some sort of swindle or scam. It's pure, unadulturated bullshit, and these so-called "gamers" are ruining a relationship with a divison of EA that hasn't completely screwed gamers over in the past.

FANBOY! /troglodyte 'gamer'

Anyways, yes... I have been uh... very vocal on twitter over it. My friends are awesome tho and agree with the precedent this sets. It's a very dangerous one and a massive slippery slope that will cause more death of ideas than anything else.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Yaezakura on March 21, 2012, 04:52:27 pm
You know, I've never played any Mass Effect game, but I have a lot of friends who do, and have talked about this at length.

I don't think anyone's upset that unhappy endings are possible. They're upset that only unhappy endings are possible. For that matter, they're upset that only one ending is really possible--every possible ending is a different flavor of the same scenario. No amount of effort you put in over the course of three games matters, only one decision you make really affects the outcome, and even then no matter what you pick, it's basically the same thing as if you had picked something else.

It's not what people were promised, and I think people have a right to be upset over that. If they had said "yeah, every ending is basically the same, and all are pretty much a 'fuck you' to the player", no one would have room to say anything. Instead, they were promised meaningfully different endings and a bunch of other stuff that simply wasn't delivered.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 21, 2012, 05:37:03 pm
Wooooooooow...really?  That's some Peter Molyneux-level failure, right there.  You make a promise, players are going to expect you to keep to them...and they're going to be rightfully pissed if you don't keep to em.

FTC complaints are overboard, yes...but, this does sound like a case where outrage is called-for.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 21, 2012, 06:09:15 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 21, 2012, 05:37:03 pm
Wooooooooow...really?  That's some Peter Molyneux-level failure, right there.  You make a promise, players are going to expect you to keep to them...and they're going to be rightfully pissed if you don't keep to em.

FTC complaints are overboard, yes...but, this does sound like a case where outrage is called-for.

I agree FTC complaints are overboard as well however, it did seem like EA went into a bit of a panic and gave a quick response once it found out that this happened and now you can get a refund for the game should you want one. 
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Vypernight on March 21, 2012, 06:20:06 pm
I'm proceeding under the assumption that the 'endings' are really illusions that Harbringer is using to try and control you.  Otherwise, the Catylist is just a pint-sized Jigsaw who wants you to either saw off your arm, your leg, or or your head.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: VirtualStranger on March 21, 2012, 06:47:39 pm
From what I understand, the problem with the ending isn't that the endings are depressing, or even that all of the endings are depressing. The problem is that the ending renders every choice you have ever made throughout all of the last 3 games completely pointless. In the end, none of your past choices matter in the slightest. Every outcome is the same.

From the very beginning, ever since Mass Effect 1, players were promised that their choices throughout the series would affect the final outcome. They were told that every choice they made would have a substantial impact. The final game completely failed to deliver on that promise.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: e13 on March 22, 2012, 02:07:23 am
The example I've given is this.

You're a kid. You buy a "you choose the adventure book." Every path you take ends with "go to page 50." Except a few that send you to 51 and 52. In those, you end the story wearing a different colored shirt. Why did you spend all that time making different choices?
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 22, 2012, 02:12:01 am
For the journey?
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 22, 2012, 02:14:53 am
The journey can be good, damn good...but, the ending is like the icing on the cake.  While shitty icing may not ruin the whole cake, it does leave a bad taste in your mouth.  It only serves to make that bad taste worse if you were promised that the icing would be excellent from the time the cake was naught more than batter.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Witchyjoshy on March 22, 2012, 02:20:30 am
On the other hand, I've sometimes found that too good icing can detract from a cake, and indeed, make it too rich to actually consume.

...No, that has nothing to do with Mass Effect 3 or choose-your-own-adventure books :V
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Yaezakura on March 22, 2012, 02:22:07 am
Quote from: Zachski on March 22, 2012, 02:12:01 am
For the journey?

The problem is, you don't read a choose-your-own-adventure book when you want a linear progression. You want your choices to matter. Sure, maybe you make the "wrong" choice and get eaten by a rabid wolverine. But at least your choices actually lead you to that outcome.

When every choice leads you to the same place, what's the point of having choices at all?

Heck, I tend to prefer linear progressions to open ones. I think the tighter focus leads naturally to better storytelling, as you don't have to water anything down to compensate for choices some players did/didn't make. But you don't promise to sell me a a photo-realistic landscape painting, then show up with a piece of canvas someone squirt paint out of their ass in the general direction of. Sure, both are art, and if you're into the latter there's nothing wrong with it--but it's not what I was promised, and it wasn't what I paid for.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: e13 on March 22, 2012, 02:25:28 am
Quote from: Zachski on March 22, 2012, 02:12:01 am
For the journey?
I bought a "you choose the adventure" book. If I wanted a set ending I would not have picked that up. I wouldn't read twenty different stories that all ended the exact same way. I'd want to read one if it had a set ending. Otherwise there is no point.

I play a lot of visual novels. The point of a visual novel is affecting the outcome, like in Mass Effect. If you have no impact on the ending, you're no longer "playing" a visual novel. You're "reading" a storybook.
Title: Re: Update:Angry Mass Effect 3 consumers file FTC complaints en masse
Post by: Shano on March 22, 2012, 01:48:55 pm
Here is my take on things. Aside from what everyone else already explained I have an issue with the vast discrepancy in quality that the endings present:
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