Is Israel stabbing America in the back?

[RavynousHunter]

Most of this kind of shit is the fault of the American public and their goddamn blind support for Israel.  I swear, that idea that Israel can do no wrong pisses me the fuck off.

Yeah, really...Israel's populated by humans; humans fuck up.  If you truly love something, then you ought to be able to admit when its fucked up.

[lighthorseman]

So, no trial required for people on terrorist lists. Good thing governments only put people they're really REALLY sure deserve it on such lists, and that no such extra judicial execution power would ever be missused by our political betters. I mean, they're the government, obviously we can trust them to make 100% accurate and just judgement in all cases.

[DasFuchs]

Given the list of trouble he was in, and then the messages he sent and said congratulating and praising extremists muslims, I'd say he wasn't the smartest man to exist.

[lighthorseman]

Given the list of trouble he was in, and then the messages he sent and said congratulating and praising extremists muslims, I'd say he wasn't the smartest man to exist.

Not arguing, but l don't think being an idiot revokes one's right to a fair trial- especially in death penalty cases.

Also, reprehensible as comgratulating terrorists may be, even if proven in a court of law, this is an execution worthy offence?

[DasFuchs]

Given the list of trouble he was in, and then the messages he sent and said congratulating and praising extremists muslims, I'd say he wasn't the smartest man to exist.

Not arguing, but l don't think being an idiot revokes one's right to a fair trial- especially in death penalty cases.

Also, reprehensible as comgratulating terrorists may be, even if proven in a court of law, this is an execution worthy offence?

I never said it did, did I?

I'm rather neutral on the issue. Yes, it's not right to kill him without trial, though he had a "dead or alive" warrant on his head from Yemen.
At the same time, if you've been seen as a suspect in 9/11, constantly running into issues with the law, then you'd kinda mind what you did and said.

It wasn't right, but he didn't exactly give them less reason.

[lighthorseman]

You seemed to be suggesting it. If not, then l apologise, but what DID you mean?

[DasFuchs]

You seemed to be suggesting it. If not, then l apologise, but what DID you mean?

I meant just what I said, I'm neutral on it, as in;
I don't give a fuck in either direction
I don't care either way
I don't give a shit ether way
I'm not pressed to call him a victim nor the US an over abusive executer

Get it yet? Do you, or should I break it down into smaller words?

[Eniliad]

Neutral on it myself. And for that matter, neutral on Israel in general. I'm perfectly aware there are arguments surrounding just about every single event that took place after WWII, and just about all of them are valid in some way. See, here's my problem: I wasn't born until long after Israel was created, so it's difficult for me to give my opinion on the subject. When I started paying attention, Israel was already a nation. If I were in charge of the whole thing, I'd probably try to find a way to get everyone to ignore the past and just focus on the situation, here and now, and try to find a way to get this generation to find the answer. It probably wouldn't work, but nothing seems to anyhow.

Actually, if you wanna go the "completely unexpected third opinion" route, the whole situation in the Middle East is the biggest argument I can think of against the idea of nationalism. After all, if there were no "nations" in the modern sense, and we found a different way to organize the political power centers in the region, there'd be no borders to fight over, would there?

Not saying that's the answer to the situation, but it's a fresh perspective nonetheless.

[Osama bin Bambi]

I don't think Anwar should have been killed without a trial. Even the Nazis got a trial, but apparently we can't extend the same rule to terrorists.

[lighthorseman]

I'm not sayong that lsrael is right to engage in this sort of beh aviour, just that the US lacks the moral authority to complain about it.

[DasFuchs]

I don't think Anwar should have been killed without a trial. Even the Nazis got a trial, but apparently we can't extend the same rule to terrorists.

Not all Nazis got a trial. And in some cases the verdict was decided long before the Nazi got a trial.

[Witchyjoshy]

I'm not sayong that lsrael is right to engage in this sort of beh aviour, just that the US lacks the moral authority to complain about it.

I'd be more worried if the US didn't complain about it.

Because then they'd be condoning it.

[lighthorseman]

I'm not sayong that lsrael is right to engage in this sort of beh aviour, just that the US lacks the moral authority to complain about it.

I'd be more worried if the US didn't complain about it.

Because then they'd be condoning it.

fair point