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Preaching and Worship / Re: IMPORTANT THINGS
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on Today at 08:31:50 pm »
I hate to defend Jacob, but the "smallpox blankets" narrative is probably a myth. There was only one documented attempt to do so, during the 1763 Siege of Fort Pitt. Furthermore, it was done by British military officers, not the American government (since there was no American government as we know it at the time), and we don't even know if it was successful.

That being said, he's still full of shit regarding just about everything else, as dpareja so skillfully pointed out. But I'd like to add a few things of my own.

"Primitive tribal civilization?" Much of our constitution was inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy, as was pointed out earlier. You also can't ignore the facts that "settling out west" all too often involved displacing the natives who were already there, and "native assimilation" tended to be done by force.

The Iroquois Confederacy May have inspired our constitution but they were far from being an advanced civilization like Europe.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: IMPORTANT THINGS
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on Today at 08:30:15 pm »
Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.

And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.

Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.

As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.

What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.

As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.

As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.

America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad?  It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.

And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.

Forced conversions are wrong because they violate the fundamental right to freedom of conscience and belief. And I'd hardly call a religion that sanctions slavery, condones conquest rape, orders genocide, and preaches infinite punishment for finite crimes "civilized".

The Catholic Church's claimed authority in Europe was based on an unsubstantiated myth and maintained through fear, force, and ignorance--in short, it was completely illegitimate and so, therefore, were their laws.

"Morality comes from humanism and is stolen by religion for its own purposes." -- Christopher Hitchens

Christianity is more civilized than the native religions because Christianity helped unify Europe during the Middle Ages, when the Europeans were converted to Christianity. The Catholic Churches got it’s authority by spreading their religion through Europe and conversions of Pagans by certain Saints. So they did spread their authority throughout Europe using legitimate means.
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Society and History / Re: The crazy stuff people say on the net
« Last post by Lana Reverse on Today at 08:29:10 pm »


What.
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Politics and Government / Article 13
« Last post by Lana Reverse on Today at 08:19:08 pm »
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Preaching and Worship / Re: IMPORTANT THINGS
« Last post by Lana Reverse on Today at 08:15:53 pm »
Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.

And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.

Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.

As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.

What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.

As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.

As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.

America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad?  It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.

And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.

Why didn't you acknowledge my criticisms? You clearly read my post.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: IMPORTANT THINGS
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 08:12:47 pm »
Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.

And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.

Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.

As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.

What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.

As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.

As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.

America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad?  It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.

And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.

Forced conversions are wrong because they violate the fundamental right to freedom of conscience and belief. And I'd hardly call a religion that sanctions slavery, condones conquest rape, orders genocide, and preaches infinite punishment for finite crimes "civilized".

The Catholic Church's claimed authority in Europe was based on an unsubstantiated myth and maintained through fear, force, and ignorance--in short, it was completely illegitimate and so, therefore, were their laws.

"Morality comes from humanism and is stolen by religion for its own purposes." -- Christopher Hitchens
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Preaching and Worship / Re: IMPORTANT THINGS
« Last post by Jacob Harrison on Today at 07:50:07 pm »
Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.

And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.

Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.

As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.

What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.

As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.

As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.

America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad?  It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.

And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: IMPORTANT THINGS
« Last post by The_Queen on Today at 07:27:30 pm »
Don't see many important things here. Just whining about thrones and the asses that sit on them.

The reason why it matters is because of property rights. The entire Kingdom of England was the property of the Kings. Therefore it is a violation of property rights for the heirs of John Beaufort to be deprived of what their rightful property.

Who the fuck is John Beaufort? Actually, don't even answer that, I don't care.
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Preaching and Worship / Re: IMPORTANT THINGS
« Last post by Lana Reverse on Today at 06:55:12 pm »
I hate to defend Jacob, but the "smallpox blankets" narrative is probably a myth. There was only one documented attempt to do so, during the 1763 Siege of Fort Pitt. Furthermore, it was done by British military officers, not the American government (since there was no American government as we know it at the time), and we don't even know if it was successful.

That being said, he's still full of shit regarding just about everything else, as dpareja so skillfully pointed out. But I'd like to add a few things of my own.

"Primitive tribal civilization?" Much of our constitution was inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy, as was pointed out earlier. You also can't ignore the facts that "settling out west" all too often involved displacing the natives who were already there, and "native assimilation" tended to be done by force.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 06:53:03 pm »
There's a point at which someone is so utterly evil that it is not worth trying to communicate with them.

EDIT: Also, Petkanas does go beyond just repeating "How dare you" later on.

EDIT #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrt7q6QKF5o

(Note: Lewandowki and Petkanas are talking over each other.)

Quote from: Corey Lewandowski
--rights of this country. We are a country with borders, we are a country of laws. And when you choose to cross this country illegally, your parents can understand this, they understand something very clearly: when you cross the border illegally, when you commit a crime, you are taken away from your family and that's how this country works. You go to any country in the world--

Quote from: Zac Petkanas
We have infants that are being taken from their mothers. We have infants that are being stolen from their mothers and put into cages, and you go "Womp womp"? This just exemplifies... How dare you, sir. How dare you. She has Down Syndrome and she was taken from her mother. How--

The moderator was trying to cut in, as well.

Quote
Nobody can hear when you both talk, so... All right, Zac. Hold on, Corey. Let's get Zac--
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