A is for asshole

[dpareja]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/09/07/bc-ubc-frosh-pro-rape-chant.html

I've never been more ashamed of my alma mater than I am now.

This time it was only the Commerce Undergraduate Society, and only on a bus, but the chant was basically the same, except with "G" being for "go to jail".

And apparently this too has been going on for years.

[Old Viking]

Yes, boys will be boys.  The most imaginative blasphemy, flagrant sexism and pathological social observations I ever encountered were in college.   That was the early 1950's.   And that was a Catholic men's college.  Other contributions to society included drinking beer until it ran out of our noses.   Most of us went on to be not quite so naughty.  It's called growing up.

[PosthumanHeresy]

Yes, boys will be boys.  The most imaginative blasphemy, flagrant sexism and pathological social observations I ever encountered were in college.   That was the early 1950's.   And that was a Catholic men's college.  Other contributions to society included drinking beer until it ran out of our noses.   Most of us went on to be not quite so naughty.  It's called growing up.

Well, we should teach them to not be like that. If I can be respectful towards women and treat humans as equal, so can they.

[RavynousHunter]

Yes, boys will be boys.  The most imaginative blasphemy, flagrant sexism and pathological social observations I ever encountered were in college.   That was the early 1950's.   And that was a Catholic men's college.  Other contributions to society included drinking beer until it ran out of our noses.   Most of us went on to be not quite so naughty.  It's called growing up.

Sorry, OV, but this is coming across as sneakingly close to "its their culture and we're wrong for judging it."  If people in Saudi Arabia were chanting this, people the world over would be calling for their heads.  A bunch of knuckle-dragging bros in college chant this, and its okay because "boys will be boys."  People aren't children going into college; more times than not, they're adults, and they're expected to act like adults and that means not being raging cunts and engaging in a cheer that's almost congratulating child molestation.

We are right for judging them, and they're in the wrong.  Its fucked, and the pukes who started this shit should be expelled, and any participants after the fact should be put on reprimand, at the very least.

[LeTipex]

Yes, boys will be boys.  The most imaginative blasphemy, flagrant sexism and pathological social observations I ever encountered were in college.   That was the early 1950's.   And that was a Catholic men's college.  Other contributions to society included drinking beer until it ran out of our noses.   Most of us went on to be not quite so naughty.  It's called growing up.

Sorry, OV, but this is coming across as sneakingly close to "its their culture and we're wrong for judging it."  If people in Saudi Arabia were chanting this, people the world over would be calling for their heads.  A bunch of knuckle-dragging bros in college chant this, and its okay because "boys will be boys."  People aren't children going into college; more times than not, they're adults, and they're expected to act like adults and that means not being raging cunts and engaging in a cheer that's almost congratulating child molestation.

We are right for judging them, and they're in the wrong.  Its fucked, and the pukes who started this shit should be expelled, and any participants after the fact should be put on reprimand, at the very least.

Should Jimmy Carr be forbidden from going on TV and on the radio because he makes child molestation jokes?

And if not, what exactly is the difference? The fact that his jokes are good and that this joke song was a shitty attempt at edgy humour?

[Witchyjoshy]

"Good jokes" and "Child molestation jokes" are mutually exclusive.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Depends on whether the joke is at the expense of the molesters or the victims.

[Yla]

Context, people.

I am reminded of the 'nuke them'/'kill them'/'rape them with a thousand rusty spoons' responses many topics here receive on the first page, when some scandal or other sparks our outrage.
Is it offensive? Yes, kinda. I don't think anyone really ever defended it as perfectly okay and appropriate. But there is a common understanding how it's not meant seriously. And when there is doubt that someone is, in fact, saying it seriously, they are called out on it.

Is it nevertheless an endorsement of child molestationmurder? Feeding into rapeviolent culture?
Where is the moral difference between this chant and this aspect of our forum culture? If I'm making a false equivalence fallacy, please point out the critical difference, because I'm not seeing it at this moment.

[LeTipex]

"Good jokes" and "Child molestation jokes" are mutually exclusive.

And there we disagree.

Is child molestation the only thing that is impossible to joke about? If yes, why that, since there are many, many horrible things in the world, and I'm not even going to try and decide which one is worse than the other. If no, what other things do you feel should never ever be joked about? And where do you stop?

And also, you did not answer my question. Seeing as how Jimmy Carr makes those kind of jokes, should he be forbidden to get on TV?

Context, people.

I am reminded of the 'nuke them'/'kill them'/'rape them with a thousand rusty spoons' responses many topics here receive on the first page, when some scandal or other sparks our outrage.
Is it offensive? Yes, kinda. I don't think anyone really ever defended it as perfectly okay and appropriate. But there is a common understanding how it's not meant seriously. And when there is doubt that someone is, in fact, saying it seriously, they are called out on it.

Is it nevertheless an endorsement of child molestationmurder? Feeding into rapeviolent culture?
Where is the moral difference between this chant and this aspect of our forum culture? If I'm making a false equivalence fallacy, please point out the critical difference, because I'm not seeing it at this moment.

Seconding this.

Again : not saying this isn't an offensive song. Merely that rape jokes such as that one might be horrible and unfunny, but do not constitute rape advocacy.

[Sleepy]

I don't think the chant advocates rape, but I think it can lead to people not taking it as seriously. It's frightening how many people are raped on campus, yet receive responses like "Well, at least you're getting laid" and "You were probably too drunk to care" and "Dressed like that? You were just asking for it."

[LeTipex]

I don't think the chant advocates rape, but I think it can lead to people not taking it as seriously. It's frightening how many people are raped on campus, yet receive responses like "Well, at least you're getting laid" and "You were probably too drunk to care" and "Dressed like that? You were just asking for it."

That I completely agree with.

Which is why I said that

The best way to tackle the issue would be to make sure that everybody understand what they're singing and what it really means.

[PosthumanHeresy]

"Good jokes" and "Child molestation jokes" are mutually exclusive.

Not always.

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I had my first sexual experience at infants school. I shagged little Jenny Jenkins behind the bike sheds. She said I was better at fucking than teaching Maths.   

I met a 14 year old girl on the internet. She was clever, funny, flirty and sexy, so I suggested we meet up. She turned out to be an undercover detective. How cool is that at her age?!   

Paedophiles are fucking immature arseholes.   

I don't know what's happening in this country. You've got school children dressing like whores and whores dressing like school children. It's a nightmare - you don't know whether to carry sweets or money.   

When I was a little boy, I was walking home from school one day when a man stopped beside me in his car and offered me sweeties if I got into his car. Now I liked sweeties very much, so I got into his car... However, the joke was on him...the sweeties made me hyperactive and I raped him.   

[Old Viking]

I am in no manner suggesting that the chant isn't crude and offensive.   That's what it's meant to be.   But if all it takes is a college cheer to turn people into slavering rapists we're in big trouble.   Perspective.   Perspective.   

[PosthumanHeresy]

I am in no manner suggesting that the chant isn't crude and offensive.   That's what it's meant to be.   But if all it takes is a college cheer to turn people into slavering rapists we're in big trouble.   Perspective.   Perspective.

I wish I had the links right now, but I am pretty sure studies have found that group mentality will go much, much further than one single person, and will take the group mindset to extremes. So... a chant kinda does.

[LeTipex]

I am in no manner suggesting that the chant isn't crude and offensive.   That's what it's meant to be.   But if all it takes is a college cheer to turn people into slavering rapists we're in big trouble.   Perspective.   Perspective.

I wish I had the links right now, but I am pretty sure studies have found that group mentality will go much, much further than one single person, and will take the group mindset to extremes. So... a chant kinda does.

In my experience with offensive uni chant, the group mentality does affect you a lot... it gets you to chant the offensive song with your buddies, while you would not do in on your own. It would take a special kind of fucked up for the group mentality to carry over that into actual molestation. (and in that case, yeah, they can burn)