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Title: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 07:36:06 pm
Hello Jacob, from what I've gathered you want to prove to people that God is real and convert them to Roman Catholicism correct? You've also prayed for this to happen?

Here's my challenge, make one convert on this board in one month. One convert by August 9.

What do you say? Will you do this?
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 07:46:22 pm
Hello Jacob, from what I've gathered you want to prove to people that God is real and convert them to Roman Catholicism correct? You've also prayed for this to happen?

Here's my challenge, make one convert on this board in one month. One convert by August 9.

What do you say? Will you do this?

Well tomorrow I start school again, which will make me busier but I will try.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 07:57:14 pm
Okey-dokey, game on!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 08, 2018, 10:51:57 pm
Just sayin', I would totally convert if the price is right.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 11:00:06 pm
I'd wait until the money's securely in the bank!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 08, 2018, 11:23:50 pm
Obviously. If I was that dumb, I would've converted already for free.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on July 09, 2018, 12:39:03 am
Just sayin', I would totally convert if the price is right.

Well, why aren't you kissing Hank's ass, then?
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 09, 2018, 12:42:08 am
Part of my terms and conditions would naturally involve nobody's shit valve going anywhere near my mouth.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 01:02:25 am
What about denim-themed fetish gear?
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 09, 2018, 01:07:35 am
It'd be pricey, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

...Is it just me, or have I been whoring myself out a lot more than usual, lately? I feel like I have, for some reason.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 09, 2018, 01:31:35 am
Don't blame us for the extra custom, you advertised Mr Whip it Out. You're gonna get young Jacob thinking unclean thoughts as he fumbles for his crucifix-stamped blue jean wallet and I shan't be held responsible!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 09, 2018, 01:49:32 am
I suppose this place truly is the Land of Opportunity.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 17, 2018, 11:04:22 pm
22 days to go and the folks on this site are only more opposed to your ethics, your politics, your beliefs and your religion than they were before I challenged you in the first place.

Kicking goals son, kicking goals!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: ironbite on August 01, 2018, 06:56:10 pm
You've got 8 days there incest boy.

Ironbite-can you convert any of us?
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: niam2023 on August 02, 2018, 06:21:16 am
I say if he fails the challenge he has to re-upload the Oink Vid!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 06, 2018, 04:24:27 am
Dawn of the first (of the final three) day.

72 hours remain.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 06, 2018, 05:59:24 pm
He'll pull out the weak excuse that he only promised to try to convert us, presumably by attempting to bore us into it with his weak-arse "proofs" that prove nothing.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 08, 2018, 11:40:36 pm
Time's up. To the great shock and surprise of absolutely nobody except perhaps Jacob himself, he has utterly failed to not only convert a single person, but he has if anything made people even more disdainful of Christianity than ever before.

The best part is if he simply slipped me a couple thou, he could've totally won the challenge.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 09, 2018, 12:06:13 am
Time's up. To the great shock and surprise of absolutely nobody except perhaps Jacob himself, he has utterly failed to not only convert a single person, but he has if anything made people even more disdainful of Christianity than ever before.

The best part is if he simply slipped me a couple thou, he could've totally won the challenge.

Well, I did go about posting facts about the Catholic Church midway through the time frame, so...
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 09, 2018, 06:12:51 am
C'mon Jakey-boy, tell us how you "tried."

Better yet, tell us that it's really pur fault.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 09, 2018, 06:36:45 am
C'mon Jakey-boy, tell us how you "tried."

Better yet, tell us that it's really pur fault.

I did provide several pieces of evidence. The problem is you people are willfully ignorant fools who ignore the evidence because you don’t want it to be true that you will be held accountable for your sins after death because of the wickedness in your hearts.

“For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.” 2 Peter 3:5 Dhouy-Rheims version

“Unto the end, a psalm for David. The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.”  Psalm 14:1

“And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;” Romans 1:28


Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: ironbite on August 09, 2018, 08:13:03 am
God I just....UG!  I feel like I just orgasmed.

Ironbite-oh wait I was masterbating to his second cousin so....
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 09, 2018, 10:02:06 am
C'mon Jakey-boy, tell us how you "tried."

Better yet, tell us that it's really pur fault.

I did provide several pieces of evidence. The problem is you people are willfully ignorant fools who ignore the evidence because you don’t want it to be true that you will be held accountable for your sins after death because of the wickedness in your hearts.

“For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.” 2 Peter 3:5 Dhouy-Rheims version

“Unto the end, a psalm for David. The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.”  Psalm 14:1

“And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;” Romans 1:28
Pro tip, you can't use the Bible to prove Christianity. That's like quoting the Koran to try to convert someone to Islam. To a non-believer, it's just a load of empty posturing and unsubstantiated bullshit. Try something a little more substantial.

My offer is still open. Throw a couple grand my way and I'll totally say I'm a devout Catholic.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 09, 2018, 10:41:44 am
C'mon Jakey-boy, tell us how you "tried."

Better yet, tell us that it's really pur fault.

I did provide several pieces of evidence. The problem is you people are willfully ignorant fools who ignore the evidence because you don’t want it to be true that you will be held accountable for your sins after death because of the wickedness in your hearts.

“For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.” 2 Peter 3:5 Dhouy-Rheims version

“Unto the end, a psalm for David. The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.”  Psalm 14:1

“And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;” Romans 1:28
Pro tip, you can't use the Bible to prove Christianity. That's like quoting the Koran to try to convert someone to Islam. To a non-believer, it's just a load of empty posturing and unsubstantiated bullshit. Try something a little more substantial.

My offer is still open. Throw a couple grand my way and I'll totally say I'm a devout Catholic.

If I paid you to say so, you wouldn’t be honest in saying that your a Catholic.

I was showing those bible verses which explain why people like you don’t convert despite all the overwhelming evidence.

Hopefully I will eventually open your eyes metaphorically. Here is more proof of demon possession, caught on live TV. https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/997460/americas-got-talent-2018-mel-b-simon-cowell-sacred-riana
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 09, 2018, 10:54:35 am
Of course the Bible would say that people who don't believe what it says are stupid. Citing that is circular.

As for the America's Got Talent act, really? That's a talented stage magician, not actual magic.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 09, 2018, 10:57:26 am
If I paid you to say so, you wouldn’t be honest in saying that your a Catholic.
Yeah, but let's be honest. You're citing America's Got Talent as your proof of Catholicism. It's the best you're ever going to get around here. Also, *you're. Learn to spell, genius.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 09, 2018, 12:46:13 pm
Of course the Bible would say that people who don't believe what it says are stupid. Citing that is circular.

As for the America's Got Talent act, really? That's a talented stage magician, not actual magic.

In this earlier act, an actual ghost from hell of a murder appears behind one of the judges which is nothing any stage magician has ever done, proving it is real magic.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kzEQNDNaSXA

What happened in the one I posted about, also cannot be explained by stage magic. A clone of Riana appeared in this one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P4JIcaRBeNw
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: ironbite on August 09, 2018, 02:19:36 pm
Dude...you failed.

Ironbite-oink for 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 09, 2018, 03:00:23 pm
Dude...you failed.

Ironbite-oink for 10 minutes.

Then bray for another twenty.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: niam2023 on August 09, 2018, 04:47:32 pm
I think he only made Return of the Koopas because with as much material as I'm making, he's worried his own work might get overshadowed.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 09, 2018, 05:49:41 pm
C'mon Jakey-boy, tell us how you "tried."

Better yet, tell us that it's really pur fault.

I did provide several pieces of evidence.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NUeRQzfh3GU/Tt85F2lNqjI/AAAAAAAAAeM/ox8nWnIT7Jw/s1600/calvin_hobbes_laughing.jpg)

Children's doodles, madman's tales, hack mockumentaries and you debasing yourself on your Vlog. Oh, how could we not be persuaded by such weighty "evidence."

The problem is you people are willfully ignorant fools who ignore the evidence because you don’t want it to be true that you will be held accountable for your sins after death because of the wickedness in your hearts.

Jacob, this is exactly like your attempt to get wives. It's not the fault of the women for rejecting you, though you probably figure that too. Hearts recoiled at your hatred of democracy, love of conversion therapy, refusal to hold the RCC accountable for it's misdeeds and way WAY too much oversharing about your Cuz and your weird denim fetish. Also our minds aren't going to be swayed by teen scrawls, breathless anecdotes or ancient legends. Ya know, the stuff you call "evidence." Your fault, not ours. You came to convince, the stuff you brought to the table wasn't convincing. Own it.

“For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.” 2 Peter 3:5 Dhouy-Rheims version

“Unto the end, a psalm for David. The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.”  Psalm 14:1

“And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;” Romans 1:28

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1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

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Leviticus 11:13-19 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls ; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; Every raven after his kind; And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

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Genesis 19:31-36 And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father.

According to the book you're trying to sway us with Pi is 3, bats are birds and date-raping dad is fine and dandy. Don't give me any of that shite about the New Testament, it ends with promised xenocide and wanton torture.

Winning hearts, fail. Winning minds, fail but predictably, and pathetically you tried to pin your failure on us. Go back to the Levis catalogue with a box of Kleenex, at least you'll do what you set out to achieve!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Skybison on August 09, 2018, 06:05:44 pm

I did provide several pieces of evidence.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NUeRQzfh3GU/Tt85F2lNqjI/AAAAAAAAAeM/ox8nWnIT7Jw/s1600/calvin_hobbes_laughing.jpg)

Children's doodles, madman's tales, hack mockumentaries and you debasing yourself on your Vlog. Oh, how could we not be persuaded by such weighty "evidence."

Don't forget my personal favorite: Catholic Priests torture a women to death in an exorcism that doesn't work.  Therefore Catholicism is true.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 09, 2018, 06:44:42 pm
C'mon Jakey-boy, tell us how you "tried."

Better yet, tell us that it's really pur fault.

I did provide several pieces of evidence.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NUeRQzfh3GU/Tt85F2lNqjI/AAAAAAAAAeM/ox8nWnIT7Jw/s1600/calvin_hobbes_laughing.jpg)

Children's doodles, madman's tales, hack mockumentaries and you debasing yourself on your Vlog. Oh, how could we not be persuaded by such weighty "evidence."

The problem is you people are willfully ignorant fools who ignore the evidence because you don’t want it to be true that you will be held accountable for your sins after death because of the wickedness in your hearts.

Jacob, this is exactly like your attempt to get wives. It's not the fault of the women for rejecting you, though you probably figure that too. Hearts recoiled at your hatred of democracy, love of conversion therapy, refusal to hold the RCC accountable for it's misdeeds and way WAY too much oversharing about your Cuz and your weird denim fetish. Also our minds aren't going to be swayed by teen scrawls, breathless anecdotes or ancient legends. Ya know, the stuff you call "evidence." Your fault, not ours. You came to convince, the stuff you brought to the table wasn't convincing. Own it.

“For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God.” 2 Peter 3:5 Dhouy-Rheims version

“Unto the end, a psalm for David. The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.”  Psalm 14:1

“And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;” Romans 1:28

Quote
1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

Quote
Leviticus 11:13-19 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls ; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; Every raven after his kind; And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

Quote
Genesis 19:31-36 And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father.

According to the book you're trying to sway us with Pi is 3, bats are birds and date-raping dad is fine and dandy. Don't give me any of that shite about the New Testament, it ends with promised xenocide and wanton torture.

Winning hearts, fail. Winning minds, fail but predictably, and pathetically you tried to pin your failure on us. Go back to the Levis catalogue with a box of Kleenex, at least you'll do what you set out to achieve!

In those ancient times pi was measured as 3, the ancient term for birds included bats, and the dad fucking was not portrayed as an ok thing.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 09, 2018, 07:04:12 pm
The bible is supposedly the communication from God, three words Archimedes of Syracuse.

Are you saying your omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God knows less than an old Greek guy?

As for the papa-roofing, it was keeping with the supreme biblical value of keeping the seed producing future generations at any cost. When God didn't approve of things in that very chapter he got his smiting on for frick's sake. It's more modern generations of believers that blanched at the (admittedly horrific) implications.

Bats have teeth and fur, you'd have to be as drunk as Lot getting boned by his girls to think they were the same thing!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 09, 2018, 07:25:55 pm
The bible is supposedly the communication from God, three words Archimedes of Syracuse.

Are you saying your omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God knows less than an old Greek guy?

As for the papa-roofing, it was keeping with the supreme biblical value of keeping the seed producing future generations at any cost. When God didn't approve of things in that very chapter he got his smiting on for frick's sake. It's more modern generations of believers that blanched at the (admittedly horrific) implications.

Bats have teeth and fur, you'd have to be as drunk as Lot getting boned by his girls to think they were the same thing!

The Bible was written in a way that people at the time would understand and 3 was a close estimate. The Old Testament was written before Archimedes of Syracuse.

The incest created the Moabites and Ammonites which were enemies of Israel so it shows that the incest had consequences.

And for some reason, the language of the time made the word bird include bats. They were probably considered a unique kind of bird.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 09, 2018, 10:58:42 pm
Again none of this makes sense of your god is as omni everything as you claim. Surely preventing the emergence of enemy nations to your chosen people is more worth your time than a bit of sodomy and if your book is inspired by the creator of life, the universe and everything then proper math and taxonomy isn't too much to ask for especially if the thing you're misclassifying has the distinctively unbirdlike characteristics like resembling a furry flying rodent!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 10, 2018, 01:06:57 am
I wish I could say I was surprised by how dishonestly Jakey-boy argued. I wish I could say I was surprised by how often he moved the goalposts on clerical sex abuse. I wish I could say I was surprised at how piss-poor his "evidence" was. I wish I could say I was surprised by how many appeals to unrecognized authority his "arguments" contained.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but it was pretty much par for the course with a religious apologist.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 06:22:17 am
Again none of this makes sense of your god is as omni everything as you claim. Surely preventing the emergence of enemy nations to your chosen people is more worth your time than a bit of sodomy and if your book is inspired by the creator of life, the universe and everything then proper math and taxonomy isn't too much to ask for especially if the thing you're misclassifying has the distinctively unbirdlike characteristics like resembling a furry flying rodent!

God acts in mysterious ways. I tried my best to explain Gods motives but I acknowledge that our understanding of him is limited because our minds pale in comparison to his infinite mind. That is what God told Job when Job asked God why he was suffering so much. I will have a better understanding in Heaven. Aren’t you curious to know his ways? If so then why would you want to go to hell and have eternal ignorance.

And as I said, God communicated to the prophets and patriarchs of the Old Testament in the language of the time. They would not understand the math and taxonomy that came later in history.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 10, 2018, 07:16:28 am
Aren’t you curious to know his ways? If so then why would you want to go to hell and have eternal ignorance.
I don't know, why don't you want to be reincarnated as a deity so that you may learn the ways of Brahmin?
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 08:19:59 am
Aren’t you curious to know his ways? If so then why would you want to go to hell and have eternal ignorance.
I don't know, why don't you want to be reincarnated as a deity so that you may learn the ways of Brahmin?

Because the evidence that Christianity is true is far greater than the evidence for the false religion of Hinduism.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 10, 2018, 09:43:27 am
Aren’t you curious to know his ways? If so then why would you want to go to hell and have eternal ignorance.
I don't know, why don't you want to be reincarnated as a deity so that you may learn the ways of Brahmin?
Because the evidence that Christianity is true is far greater than the evidence for the false religion of Hinduism.
Oh really? You think you can't find some dickhead spouting bullshit on Youtube? Well then, feast your eyes on this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWMRHkS2NIY
So, I assume you'll be converting at your earliest convenience.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 10:20:32 am
Aren’t you curious to know his ways? If so then why would you want to go to hell and have eternal ignorance.
I don't know, why don't you want to be reincarnated as a deity so that you may learn the ways of Brahmin?
Because the evidence that Christianity is true is far greater than the evidence for the false religion of Hinduism.
Oh really? You think you can't find some dickhead spouting bullshit on Youtube? Well then, feast your eyes on this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWMRHkS2NIY
So, I assume you'll be converting at your earliest convenience.

That video admits that Christianity’s bases it’s evidence on history and scripture while Hinduism bases it on alleged individual personal revelation by practicing Yoga meaning that Christianity has a lot more historical evidence to back it up.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: ironbite on August 10, 2018, 10:25:29 am
Does it hurt?  Trying to come up with justifications for your posts?  Cause I think it hurts you.  I think it hurts a lot.

Ironbite-maybe your second cousin can help you both spiritually and sexually.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 10, 2018, 11:05:25 am
That video admits that Christianity’s bases it’s evidence on history and scripture while Hinduism bases it on alleged individual personal revelation by practicing Yoga meaning that Christianity has a lot more historical evidence to back it up.
Does it now? So it bases its evidence on its own doctrine, and supposed events for which there is zero actual evidence that any historian, or really anyone who isn't a Christian apologist would take seriously, huh?

I have to say, this is one of very few instances where you're not wrong.

Besides, Hinduism has tantric sex. Give that a go with your second cousin and it'll make you a true believer in less than ten seconds.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 11:30:38 am
That video admits that Christianity’s bases it’s evidence on history and scripture while Hinduism bases it on alleged individual personal revelation by practicing Yoga meaning that Christianity has a lot more historical evidence to back it up.
Does it now? So it bases its evidence on its own doctrine, and supposed events for which there is zero actual evidence that any historian, or really anyone who isn't a Christian apologist would take seriously, huh?

I have to say, this is one of very few instances where you're not wrong.

Besides, Hinduism has tantric sex. Give that a go with your second cousin and it'll make you a true believer in less than ten seconds.

Christianity does have historical evidence to back it up such as the existence of Ancient Israel and the fact that the vast majority of scholars agree that that there was a historical Jesus.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 10, 2018, 11:50:24 am
That video admits that Christianity’s bases it’s evidence on history and scripture while Hinduism bases it on alleged individual personal revelation by practicing Yoga meaning that Christianity has a lot more historical evidence to back it up.
Does it now? So it bases its evidence on its own doctrine, and supposed events for which there is zero actual evidence that any historian, or really anyone who isn't a Christian apologist would take seriously, huh?

I have to say, this is one of very few instances where you're not wrong.

Besides, Hinduism has tantric sex. Give that a go with your second cousin and it'll make you a true believer in less than ten seconds.

Christianity does have historical evidence to back it up such as the existence of Ancient Israel and the fact that the vast majority of scholars agree that that there was a historical Jesus.

You know what it doesn't have? Any proof that Jesus was somehow divine.

And you know what it also doesn't have? Any evidence that a god exists.

It's funny how religious types will call for high standards of evidence when it comes to scientific claims (even if they move the goalposts a lot), but on a claim that is of absolutely fundamental importance they say you have to accept it on faith--as in, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

Fucking dishonest hacks.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 12:14:40 pm
That video admits that Christianity’s bases it’s evidence on history and scripture while Hinduism bases it on alleged individual personal revelation by practicing Yoga meaning that Christianity has a lot more historical evidence to back it up.
Does it now? So it bases its evidence on its own doctrine, and supposed events for which there is zero actual evidence that any historian, or really anyone who isn't a Christian apologist would take seriously, huh?

I have to say, this is one of very few instances where you're not wrong.

Besides, Hinduism has tantric sex. Give that a go with your second cousin and it'll make you a true believer in less than ten seconds.

Christianity does have historical evidence to back it up such as the existence of Ancient Israel and the fact that the vast majority of scholars agree that that there was a historical Jesus.

You know what it doesn't have? Any proof that Jesus was somehow divine.

And you know what it also doesn't have? Any evidence that a god exists.

It's funny how religious types will call for high standards of evidence when it comes to scientific claims (even if they move the goalposts a lot), but on a claim that is of absolutely fundamental importance they say you have to accept it on faith--as in, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

Fucking dishonest hacks.

If Jesus wasn’t divine, than how come he claimed he was divine, and how did Christianity soread so quickly that there were Christians in Rome by the time of Nero. Something must have driven Christianity’s growth. O mighty atheist give thy alternate explanation of such phenomena.

https://www.bethinking.org/is-christianity-true/the-evidence-for-christianity
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 10, 2018, 12:20:59 pm
Anyone can claim they're divine, and people are easily fooled, especially in a time when information was far less freely available than it is now.

Sorry, but you'll need to find actual proof of God's existence (and not just a vague deistic God, which is already hard enough, but your God), and Jesus's divinity.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 12:27:00 pm
Anyone can claim they're divine, and people are easily fooled, especially in a time when information was far less freely available than it is now.

Sorry, but you'll need to find actual proof of God's existence (and not just a vague deistic God, which is already hard enough, but your God), and Jesus's divinity.

But in order for people to believe that someone is God not just a magician, actual extreme miracles have to be performed proving that Jesus’s miracles were real and that he is God.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 10, 2018, 12:31:11 pm
Anyone can claim they're divine, and people are easily fooled, especially in a time when information was far less freely available than it is now.

Sorry, but you'll need to find actual proof of God's existence (and not just a vague deistic God, which is already hard enough, but your God), and Jesus's divinity.

But in order for people to believe that someone is God not just a magician, actual extreme miracles have to be performed proving that Jesus’s miracles were real and that he is God.



Or, they grew in the telling.

But provide evidence of God (and being that the existence of God would be more significant than any other discovery in human history, the standard of proof is higher than that for other propositions) or everything you're saying is empty and vacuous.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 10, 2018, 12:48:22 pm
Christianity does have historical evidence to back it up such as the existence of Ancient Israel and the fact that the vast majority of scholars agree that that there was a historical Jesus.
Right, because the existence of a bronze age culture totally points to the existence of a magical man in the sky. As for scholars, their word itself is meaningless. What's actually important is the evidence that their word is supposedly based on. In the case of Jesus, well, the closest thing to a primary source for his existence is the gospels, which claim to be first person accounts despite them being dated long after his supposed death. But I'm sure you're aware, seeing as we've gone over this before.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 01:24:21 pm
Anyone can claim they're divine, and people are easily fooled, especially in a time when information was far less freely available than it is now.

Sorry, but you'll need to find actual proof of God's existence (and not just a vague deistic God, which is already hard enough, but your God), and Jesus's divinity.

But in order for people to believe that someone is God not just a magician, actual extreme miracles have to be performed proving that Jesus’s miracles were real and that he is God.



Or, they grew in the telling.

But provide evidence of God (and being that the existence of God would be more significant than any other discovery in human history, the standard of proof is higher than that for other propositions) or everything you're saying is empty and vacuous.

But how did the tales originate? And Howe did it grow so fast if it was not based on real events that happened?
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 01:27:07 pm
Christianity does have historical evidence to back it up such as the existence of Ancient Israel and the fact that the vast majority of scholars agree that that there was a historical Jesus.
Right, because the existence of a bronze age culture totally points to the existence of a magical man in the sky. As for scholars, their word itself is meaningless. What's actually important is the evidence that their word is supposedly based on. In the case of Jesus, well, the closest thing to a primary source for his existence is the gospels, which claim to be first person accounts despite them being dated long after his supposed death. But I'm sure you're aware, seeing as we've gone over this before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 10, 2018, 01:33:37 pm
Jesus may well be a historical figure. It's his divinity for which I demand solid evidence.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 01:48:01 pm
Jesus may well be a historical figure. It's his divinity for which I demand solid evidence.

And I provided the solid evidence in earlier comments using common sense. If he was not divine, but claimed to be divine, how did he get so many people to believe he was God, and rose from the dead? A mere mortal can’t get so many people in a short period of time to believe all of that.

https://www.bethinking.org/is-christianity-true/the-evidence-for-christianity
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: dpareja on August 10, 2018, 02:06:45 pm
COMMON SENSE IS NOT SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE YOU DENSE FUCK!
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Skybison on August 10, 2018, 02:07:22 pm
Jacob we've been over this.  Jesus probably didn't think he was God.  Early Christians mostly didn't think he was, and Paul Mark Matthew and Luke never called him that.  That idea evolved later.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Eiki-mun on August 10, 2018, 03:59:23 pm
If Mohammed was not actually the prophet of Allah as depicted in the Qu'ran, then how did he get so many people to believe he was?

But we've gone over this before. You'll offer some platitude about Muslims converting by the sword, despite two problems with that explanation:
1. Mohammed would have had to convince an initial group that he was a divine prophet to get started, which would surely have been impossible if he wasn't actually the prophet of Allah.
2. Islam spread just as quickly by trade, to the east, as it did to the west by the sword, and much more quickly than Christianity did, thus establishing Islam as the one true religion.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Jacob Harrison on August 10, 2018, 06:10:52 pm
Jacob we've been over this.  Jesus probably didn't think he was God.  Early Christians mostly didn't think he was, and Paul Mark Matthew and Luke never called him that.  That idea evolved later.

Yes we have. And remember I debunked those claims.

The authors of the Gospels wrote about different specific parts of Jesus’s life and different specific information about Jesus’s life. It was a division of tasks.

That has nothing to do with my point.  The gospels still have very different ideas of who Jesus was, growing more divine over time.  Working backwards from that we find that the original Christians believed Jesus was not God.

They were not different ideas, they were just different pieces of information. Just because the other authors wrote son of God, does not mean that they didn’t believe that he was also God, they just used Son of God as a phrase knowing that the readers already knew that Jesus is God.
Title: Re: Jacob Harrison-a challenge
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 10, 2018, 06:41:33 pm
Jacob, the reason you believe your own arguments is that they aren't arguments per se but rather strategies to reinforce your own pre existing belief. Your historicity of the Gospels argument boils down to "at least it's history." You could make the same argument for aliens in area 51. It don't make it necessarily so.

Your waving the cudgel of hell at us doesn't touch the sides because it's a silly threat to people who don't accept the whole package, or even just your version of it. It's there to keep believers in line, doesn't mean shit to me.

You'd be a terrible salesman Jacob, you aren't selling a product to yourself, you have to aim your pitch at your audience.