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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 12:41:06 am »
You can still have sex with your legs closed.

Ironbite-hell, according to one link someone posted, it's more enjoyable for the woman.

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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2012, 02:41:54 am »
What makes this more disgusting is the minority of commenters who agree with him, saying that they shouldn't have to pay for others' contraception, that women need to not have sex, and that contraception is not a matter of health care.  Fuck.  You.  Guys.  I'm getting sick of this stigma that female contraception is only used for sex, when it's not.  There are health reasons that female contraception, specifically the pill, is used.  My 13 year old sister may have to use the pill soon, due to an unhealthily long and heavy period that brings her blood-iron down to dangerously low levels.  She's had to have liquid iron directly infused into her blood through a drip.  I don't know if my mom's insurance covers it, considering she works at Catholic hospital.  If this isn't corrected, whether by the stopping itself or stopping through the pill, then the only other option is to have her constantly injected and supplemented with iron.  But I guess constant iron injections are better than the more obvious solution of controlling her period, especially since the solution could, horror of horrors, allow her to have sex freely when she's older! *screams in terror*  If that did happen, then the pill working as a contraceptive would actually be a side effect of the pill, not the intent, since her taking it is for health reasons, not recreational reasons.

I think this goes back to a common pro-life argument: rape, incest, and health cases can't be considered because they're such a small percent of abortion, and most are done for convenience.  They'd probably use the same argument here: more women use the pill to have sex than due to health issues, so those cases shouldn't be a serious consideration.  Basically, they'd rather people who actually need it suffer, just so they can feel good about themselves for not having indirectly helped somebody else have sex outside of marriage or not for the purpose of procreation.  It's funny how they whine about "socialists" and "libs" having entitlement issues, when a lot of their arguments sound like "Mine, mine, mine, ME, ME, ME! I don't want to!"

(And before anyone asks, no, doctors haven't figured out what's causing these long periods yet)
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2012, 05:09:18 am »
"Religious freedom" in this instance means institutions can force their beliefs on employees.  If Catholic institutions can block birth control coverage, does that mean Jehovah's Witnesses can block blood transfusions, or that christian scientists can avoid having to provide any health coverage at all?

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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 08:11:00 am »
You can still have sex with your legs closed.
You know that. I know that. But I don’t think Issa knows that.

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Ironbite-hell, according to one link someone posted, it's more enjoyable for the woman.
I don’t believe that the types of folks that go on about “keeping your knees shut” are too concerned over whether women are enjoying their sex.

What makes this more disgusting is the minority of commenters who agree with him, saying that they shouldn't have to pay for others' contraception, that women need to not have sex, and that contraception is not a matter of health care.  Fuck.  You.  Guys.  I'm getting sick of this stigma that female contraception is only used for sex, when it's not.  There are health reasons that female contraception, specifically the pill, is used.  My 13 year old sister may have to use the pill soon, due to an unhealthily long and heavy period that brings her blood-iron down to dangerously low levels.  She's had to have liquid iron directly infused into her blood through a drip.  I don't know if my mom's insurance covers it, considering she works at Catholic hospital.  If this isn't corrected, whether by the stopping itself or stopping through the pill, then the only other option is to have her constantly injected and supplemented with iron.  But I guess constant iron injections are better than the more obvious solution of controlling her period, especially since the solution could, horror of horrors, allow her to have sex freely when she's older! *screams in terror*  If that did happen, then the pill working as a contraceptive would actually be a side effect of the pill, not the intent, since her taking it is for health reasons, not recreational reasons.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2012, 08:28:45 am »
I'm still trying to figure out how they think this is an attack on religion? Who's religious rights are being violated? If anything, peoples' religious rights have been violated for awhile by these institutions. Institutions don't have religious freedom; individuals do. They think it's an attack on their religion when they're not allowed to force their narrow interpretation not only on their own followers (Catholics, for example) but also other Christians, and non-Christians alike.

And the fact they have an all male member of this panel speaks volumes. Between Sanitarium's comments about the military and comments about rape being a gift from god, the Fox News rape-apologist, and the recent attempts of GOP lawmakers to redefine rape paired with all of this birth control nonsense really shows how they feel about women...and they'll pay for it in November.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2012, 09:11:31 am »
I'm still trying to figure out how they think this is an attack on religion? Who's religious rights are being violated?
I think they are somehow under the impression that requiring their health plan to cover contraception and abortion will force them to actually use contraception and get abortions, thereby violating their religious beliefs.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2012, 09:17:03 am »
And the fact they have an all male member of this panel speaks volumes. Between Sanitarium's comments about the military and comments about rape being a gift from god, the Fox News rape-apologist, and the recent attempts of GOP lawmakers to redefine rape paired with all of this birth control nonsense really shows how they feel about women...and they'll pay for it in November.

Sadly... no they won't. If they were going to pay for it in November, they'd already have been paying for it for years. The kind of people who are actually brain-addled enough to vote Republican in the first place just don't care about issues like this.

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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2012, 09:51:41 am »
Basically, they'd rather people who actually need it suffer, just so they can feel good about themselves for not having indirectly helped somebody else have sex outside of marriage or not for the purpose of procreation.

Married women use birth control. (I know you know that. Only pointing out the obvious.) Sometimes, married women use birth control for the same reason as your sister. It cracks me up when people assume the only women using birth control are unmarried women who want to sleep around.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2012, 09:59:22 am »
I'm still trying to figure out how they think this is an attack on religion? Who's religious rights are being violated?
I think they are somehow under the impression that requiring their health plan to cover contraception and abortion will force them to actually use contraception and get abortions, thereby violating their religious beliefs.

No, they're under the impression that they'll be forced to pay out-of-pocket for other people's abortions.  That is how fundies think that employer insurance works.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2012, 10:21:39 am »
I'm still trying to figure out how they think this is an attack on religion? Who's religious rights are being violated?
I think they are somehow under the impression that requiring their health plan to cover contraception and abortion will force them to actually use contraception and get abortions, thereby violating their religious beliefs.

No, they're under the impression that they'll be forced to pay out-of-pocket for other people's abortions.  That is how fundies think that employer insurance works.

Oh, yeah. That’s how they view taxes, as well. Shoulda realized that.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2012, 11:25:18 am »
I'm still trying to figure out how they think this is an attack on religion? Who's religious rights are being violated?
I think they are somehow under the impression that requiring their health plan to cover contraception and abortion will force them to actually use contraception and get abortions, thereby violating their religious beliefs.

No, they're under the impression that they'll be forced to pay out-of-pocket for other people's abortions.  That is how fundies think that employer insurance works.

Oh, yeah. That’s how they view taxes, as well. Shoulda realized that.
They seem to be anathema to paying for other people's anything. That's how civilization works really, and there's no opt out.

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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2012, 11:31:07 am »
I figure once these institutions take a cent of State and/or Federal money, they don't get to force their religion on their employees.

Also, I find it ironic if these insurance plans already cover viagra.

I'm sorry but I don't think the Pope (the one who ultimately has say over the Catholic's BC issue) gets the freedom to force his viewpoint on anyone -hell he's not even an American.

But to these conservative knuckle-draggers, you are violating their religious freedom if you don't allow them to force their bullshit on others.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2012, 11:31:40 am »
What makes this more disgusting is the minority of commenters who agree with him, saying that they shouldn't have to pay for others' contraception, that women need to not have sex, and that contraception is not a matter of health care.  Fuck.  You.  Guys.  I'm getting sick of this stigma that female contraception is only used for sex, when it's not.  There are health reasons that female contraception, specifically the pill, is used.  My 13 year old sister may have to use the pill soon, due to an unhealthily long and heavy period that brings her blood-iron down to dangerously low levels.  She's had to have liquid iron directly infused into her blood through a drip.  I don't know if my mom's insurance covers it, considering she works at Catholic hospital.  If this isn't corrected, whether by the stopping itself or stopping through the pill, then the only other option is to have her constantly injected and supplemented with iron.  But I guess constant iron injections are better than the more obvious solution of controlling her period, especially since the solution could, horror of horrors, allow her to have sex freely when she's older! *screams in terror*  If that did happen, then the pill working as a contraceptive would actually be a side effect of the pill, not the intent, since her taking it is for health reasons, not recreational reasons.

I think this goes back to a common pro-life argument: rape, incest, and health cases can't be considered because they're such a small percent of abortion, and most are done for convenience.  They'd probably use the same argument here: more women use the pill to have sex than due to health issues, so those cases shouldn't be a serious consideration.  Basically, they'd rather people who actually need it suffer, just so they can feel good about themselves for not having indirectly helped somebody else have sex outside of marriage or not for the purpose of procreation.  It's funny how they whine about "socialists" and "libs" having entitlement issues, when a lot of their arguments sound like "Mine, mine, mine, ME, ME, ME! I don't want to!"

(And before anyone asks, no, doctors haven't figured out what's causing these long periods yet)

This is the reason I did a major face palm the other day when some Libertarian tool on FB, kept on saying the answer to the whole birth control issue was for people to go out a buy a pack of condoms. As someone who was almost put on the pill for my period, and know serveral others that have messed up issues with their periods and are on the pill because of it, it annoys me to get lengths when people ignore this.

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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2012, 12:38:01 pm »
You can still have sex with your legs closed.

Ironbite-hell, according to one link someone posted, it's more enjoyable for the woman.

This is true (on both points, although the second has numerous "ifs" attached to it), but you and I both know he's referencing the old "Keep your legs shut!" bit used against women who have an active sex life.
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Re: Idiocy At Hearing Re: Contraception Insurance Coverage
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2012, 01:49:07 pm »
What makes this more disgusting is the minority of commenters who agree with him, saying that they shouldn't have to pay for others' contraception, that women need to not have sex, and that contraception is not a matter of health care.  ...

I had a friend use that those exact same reasons and he works in the health insurance industry.
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