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Quote from: Jacob Harrison on July 07, 2018, 08:33:43 amQuote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 10:29:49 pmQuote from: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 10:04:56 pmQuote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 09:46:43 pmOK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.Unbiblical and you know it.QuoteJeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”All OT, call yourself a Christian!O Lord. Forgive me for making a heretical unbiblical claim. Forgive me for not studying the Old Testament.In the case of Sodom, God paused his omnipresent traveling when talking to Abraham and also needed to pause it when preparing to rain fire upon the city which is why he needed to send Angels to see if there were any righteous people in Sodom.Seriously, what's the point? An omni-everything doesn't need to pause for thought because he knows the answer already.Quote from: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 09:37:39 pmWell God has to travel through time for him to be beyond time and to not require a cause. I do not have the answers to all the divine mysteries, but I try my best to speculate and try to reconcile science and Christianity. So, when you say "proof" what you mean is "speculation." Yeah, that's what I thought.
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 10:29:49 pmQuote from: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 10:04:56 pmQuote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 09:46:43 pmOK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.Unbiblical and you know it.QuoteJeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”All OT, call yourself a Christian!O Lord. Forgive me for making a heretical unbiblical claim. Forgive me for not studying the Old Testament.In the case of Sodom, God paused his omnipresent traveling when talking to Abraham and also needed to pause it when preparing to rain fire upon the city which is why he needed to send Angels to see if there were any righteous people in Sodom.
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 10:04:56 pmQuote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 09:46:43 pmOK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.Unbiblical and you know it.QuoteJeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”All OT, call yourself a Christian!
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 09:46:43 pmOK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.
OK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.
Jeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”
Well God has to travel through time for him to be beyond time and to not require a cause. I do not have the answers to all the divine mysteries, but I try my best to speculate and try to reconcile science and Christianity.
Or so you speculate, right?
Does God their when I use the bathroom? If so does that make him a pervert?
Quote from: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 05:38:42 pmDoes God their when I use the bathroom? If so does that make him a pervert?He’s not a pervert he is just watching to see if you commit the sin of masturbation while using the bathroom to see how much sins you must do penance for before you die and if you die without doing penance for your venial sins, you will do pennance in purgatory.
It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 05:47:24 pmQuote from: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 05:38:42 pmDoes God their when I use the bathroom? If so does that make him a pervert?He’s not a pervert he is just watching to see if you commit the sin of masturbation while using the bathroom to see how much sins you must do penance for before you die and if you die without doing penance for your venial sins, you will do pennance in purgatory.So... God watches to see if you jack off?Pervert.
Direct Question: If I was spying on you when you were showering without your permission to "protect" you, would you consider me a pervert?If yes, why is god different?If no, why not?
So you'd be okay with asexual humans watching you while you shower without your permission?
Quote from: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 06:00:29 pmSo you'd be okay with asexual humans watching you while you shower without your permission?No because they are not omnipotent so they can’t answer my prayers.