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Title: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Askold on March 28, 2016, 01:36:03 am
http://warisboring.com/articles/this-game-lets-you-sleep-with-tanks/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

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Panzermadels is a video game about dating tanks. As revenge for America nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II, Japan developed the technology to fit the era’s tanks into teenage anime girl bodies. The plan is for the tank-girls to seduce U.S. Army students into compromising situations.

Yes, it really is as bizarre a premise as it sounds.

If you ever thought "I would really, really want to fuck a T-34 that looked like a teenage girl" then this is the game for you.

...If not, then this is yet another reminder that Japan exists in an alternate dimension to the rest of the planet.

(http://cdn.warisboring.com/images/20160325195407/12884538_981359215281807_1174730711_n.jpg)

I refuse to believe that this was not made as a parody of all the silly dating sims in Japan!

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So, here’s the deal with Panzermadels — you play a military recruit named Erwin Lemmor who has, for some reason, ended up at a Japanese school where all the other students are tanks. He thought he was there to learn about tanks, but no, it’s a school for educating sentient tanks.

They look like Japanese teenagers, but fire projectiles, visit mechanics for repairs, have brakes that can lock up and have personalities tied to the cultural attitudes of their respective countries during World War II.

...This article is really worth reading and it just keeps getting better.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 28, 2016, 01:56:03 am
If you ever thought "I would really, really want to fuck a T-34 that looked like a teenage girl" then this is the game for you.
No, but thanks to you Askold I now know that demographic exists.
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Post by: Askold on March 28, 2016, 02:07:43 am
Oh come on, haven't you seen picks of those ship-girl hybrids or plane-girl hybrids on the net? Japan has some very strange demographics and I don't think that the rest of the world is any less strange. But for some reason the only ones who actually publish porn for those weirder tastes and market it abroad seem to be Japanese.
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Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 28, 2016, 02:25:05 am
Oh come on, haven't you seen picks of those ship-girl hybrids or plane-girl hybrids on the net?
Hey man, I know that there is porn or at least pornfic for everything and anything that can be fucked in any possible universe on the net. That doesn't mean I've seen it. Yet.

Also this:

(click to show/hide)

"Discharge..."
*runs screaming*
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Svata on March 28, 2016, 02:52:37 am
This is fucking incredible...
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Post by: Askold on March 28, 2016, 03:02:45 am
Apparently the term for this kind of manga/anime is "Mecha musume" and it is a decently sized genre. But usually the girls (always girls I think because either most weirdos are men, vehicles have always been thought of as females, or the female weirdos are also lesbian/bi.) have visible vehicle parts on them:

(http://media.indiedb.com/cache/images/groups/1/1/84/thumb_620x2000/1196353986123cc6.jpg)

(Cat ears are not mandatory but they help.)
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Post by: Even Then on March 28, 2016, 03:11:41 am
I guess she won't be needing a strap-on, then? Well, ships are referred to as feminine so this isn't that much of a stretch.
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Post by: Art Vandelay on March 28, 2016, 03:25:46 am
Well, I'm disappointed. I was expecting a game about dating tanks, but all I'm seeing are generic anime girls. If we can have a pigeon dating sim featuring actual pigeons, there's no reason why this game can't have real tanks.

...I mean, not that I'm into that or anything.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 28, 2016, 03:29:03 am
Well, I'm disappointed. I was expecting a game about dating tanks, but all I'm seeing are generic anime girls. If we can have a pigeon dating sim featuring actual pigeons, there's no reason why this game can't have real tanks.

...I mean, not that I'm into that or anything.

Suuure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaEM4JYFPfw
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Post by: Cloud3514 on March 28, 2016, 03:44:13 am
Huh. This is like someone looked at Hotoful Boyfriend and said "This is great and all, but what if instead of birds, they were tanks?"
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Post by: Even Then on March 28, 2016, 03:59:23 am
What's next? Flavours of British pudding? Personified turn-of-the-millennium memes? FQA members?

...gentlemen.
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Post by: chad sexington on March 28, 2016, 07:16:24 am
What's next? Flavours of British pudding? Personified turn-of-the-millennium memes? FQA members?

...gentlemen.

Finally, my time has come!  8)
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Post by: Askold on March 28, 2016, 07:45:02 am
But we haven't even gotten past the flirting stage... If you come this soon you might have a problem with premature ejaculation.
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Post by: Zygarde on March 28, 2016, 08:22:43 am
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)
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Post by: Eiki-mun on March 28, 2016, 09:28:13 am
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 28, 2016, 09:57:56 am
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.

Eroge or not, I'm sure some people still get off on it.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 28, 2016, 12:56:42 pm
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.

Eroge or not, I'm sure some people still get off on it.

If we're going by that logic, why don't we just dump every game from Japan ever, plus Borderlands, Skullgirls, Street Fighter, and just about any other video game into a bin marked "sex games"? People get off on those too, you know.

EDIT: Oh, and Overwatch too. And league of legends, I've seen a ton of porn of League of Legends.
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Post by: Zygarde on March 28, 2016, 01:41:57 pm
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.

I think you and me are talking about two different games, I can't remember the name of the one I'm talking about, but it's not what you mentioned. And if they are the same game you may have seen the censored version.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 28, 2016, 02:42:38 pm
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.

I think you and me are talking about two different games, I can't remember the name of the one I'm talking about, but it's not what you mentioned. And if they are the same game you may have seen the censored version.

They must be different games, then. Because Fate/Grand Order, the only game I can think of with a female Nobunaga Oda, is in no way an eroge.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Damen on March 28, 2016, 03:18:56 pm
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Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 28, 2016, 03:23:44 pm
To be fair, Rosario + Vampire and Tenchi Muyo are good, even if the former is exceptionally heavy on the fanservice.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Svata on March 28, 2016, 03:27:28 pm
To be fair, Rosario + Vampire and Tenchi Muyo are good, even if the former is exceptionally heavy on the fanservice.

True. Loved reading Rosario+Vampire when it was a thing.
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Post by: Damen on March 28, 2016, 06:39:24 pm
I watched Rosario + Vampire. I basically called it Fanservice/Panty Shot and a Vampire.
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Post by: Art Vandelay on March 28, 2016, 06:51:22 pm
I just had a thought. If you preferred armoured cars or self propelled artillery/AT guns to tanks, does that mean you have a midget fetish according to this game?
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Post by: niam2023 on March 28, 2016, 07:25:28 pm
I watched Rosario + Vampire. I basically called it Fanservice/Panty Shot and a Vampire.

Yeah I much preferred the Manga.
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Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 28, 2016, 07:33:03 pm
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.

Eroge or not, I'm sure some people still get off on it.

If we're going by that logic, why don't we just dump every game from Japan ever, plus Borderlands, Skullgirls, Street Fighter, and just about any other video game into a bin marked "sex games"? People get off on those too, you know.

EDIT: Oh, and Overwatch too. And league of legends, I've seen a ton of porn of League of Legends.

That was a joke about people having niche fetishes, not about the game itself.
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Post by: Cloud3514 on March 28, 2016, 10:06:07 pm
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.

I think you and me are talking about two different games, I can't remember the name of the one I'm talking about, but it's not what you mentioned. And if they are the same game you may have seen the censored version.

They must be different games, then. Because Fate/Grand Order, the only game I can think of with a female Nobunaga Oda, is in no way an eroge.

It is, however, from a series that started as an eroge visual novel (and, having played Fate/Stay Night, the porn is actually the least of its problems. Yeah, watch the animes instead).
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Post by: Zygarde on March 28, 2016, 10:38:34 pm
I would say this is the weirdest thing I've seen, but I've seen one erog game where all the characters except you are female versions of various historic figures like Oda Nobunaga and Napoleon. (Granted it plays like some weird bastard child of Fire Emblem and Nintendo Wars)

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Fate/Grand Order is an eroge. For one thing, as far as I know, there isn't a single sex scene in the game, which is... kind of required for it to be an eroge, by definition.

I think you and me are talking about two different games, I can't remember the name of the one I'm talking about, but it's not what you mentioned. And if they are the same game you may have seen the censored version.

They must be different games, then. Because Fate/Grand Order, the only game I can think of with a female Nobunaga Oda, is in no way an eroge.

So I did find out the name of the game I was talking about It's called Eiyu*Senki -The World Conquest so yeah we were talking about two separate games.
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Post by: Cloud3514 on March 29, 2016, 01:27:59 am
The fact that there are at least two different, completely unrelated games that feature a female Oda Nobunaga is not exactly something I expected to learn today.
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Post by: Askold on March 29, 2016, 02:02:24 am
Then there's Nobunagun manga&anime where Nobunaga (and a bunch of other historical celebreties) are reincarnated (slightly more complicated than that, but let's just call it reincarnation) into becoming superpowered soldiers to fight against alien invasion.

...And we get a teenage girl Nobunaga who uses magic-guns to kill aliens while fighting alongside Sir Isaac Newton (also a woman) and Jack the Ripper.

...And Drifters where a bunch of dead soldiers from history are sent to a fantasy world on the moment of their death by some kind of powerful creature to fight against an evil empire and the main Character is Nobunaga.

And a manga where a random cook from modern Japan ends up in the past and works as a cook for Nobunaga.

And a manga where a random guy from modern Japan ends up in the past and since the real Nobunaga isn't interested in doing his job the main character takes his place to ensure that history happens the way it was written (if the last two are not set in the same setting I am terribly disappointed.)

...And at least few more mangas where Nobunaga shows up which is weird because either Japan rediscovered him recently or I just hadn't known that putting him in a manga/anime is such a common trope in Japan.
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Post by: Even Then on March 29, 2016, 02:06:43 am
I guess it's kinda like there being a manga about Simo Häyhä. Who is a woman in it.

...man, what is it with Japan and making historical figures women?
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Post by: Eiki-mun on March 29, 2016, 02:52:23 am
I guess it's kinda like there being a manga about Simo Häyhä. Who is a woman in it.

...man, what is it with Japan and making historical figures women?

To be fair, women are cute, and men are quite often ugly.
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Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2016, 09:22:08 am
I guess it's kinda like there being a manga about Simo Häyhä. Who is a woman in it.

...man, what is it with Japan and making historical figures women?

To be fair, women are cute, and men are quite often ugly.

You think that's weird?  There's a book that turns historical dictators into moe girls:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-12-03/world-dictators-transformed-into-moe-girls-in-book (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-12-03/world-dictators-transformed-into-moe-girls-in-book)
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Post by: TheL on April 12, 2016, 02:24:33 pm
Dear gods, UP, that manga's terrifying.
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Post by: niam2023 on April 13, 2016, 02:30:44 am
Japan and World War II have a relationship almost as weird as America's obsession with WWII.

There is also Dies Irae, which involves Nazis who became immortal by using the casualties of the eastern front as part of a spell.

The protagonist apparently has a rivalry with Reinhard Heydrich - and all I need to tell you about how that went for the VN is that 75% of the Pixiv artwork is "Rein x Ren".
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Post by: Katsuro on April 13, 2016, 02:00:36 pm
Japan and World War II have a relationship almost as weird as America's obsession with WWII.

Nowhere is more obsessed with WWII than Britain, surely?  It's almost impossible to get through a day without encountering some mention of or reference to it.  That's not even much of an exaggeration.
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Post by: TheContrarian on April 13, 2016, 02:06:55 pm
Japan and World War II have a relationship almost as weird as America's obsession with WWII.

Nowhere is more obsessed with WWII than Britain, surely?  It's almost impossible to get through a day without encountering some mention of or reference to it.  That's not even much of an exaggeration.

Well it *is* the last bit of history before everything got communistic and boring.

Late 20th century history is dreary as fuck.
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Post by: Katsuro on April 13, 2016, 02:15:20 pm
That is actually kind of true, I personally find late 20thC history to be one of my least favourite periods.  However I don't think that's why we're obsessed with it so much to the point of almost refusing to move on.
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Post by: Eiki-mun on April 13, 2016, 03:00:35 pm
Actually, I think Japan and the UK are obsessed with World War II for the same reason: it's the last time they really got to be an empire, their last real glory days.

As for the US, it's because World War II was the last time we got to pretend to be the "good guys" fighting against the "bad guys".
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Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 13, 2016, 03:07:32 pm
Actually, I think Japan and the UK are obsessed with World War II for the same reason: it's the last time they really got to be an empire, their last real glory days.

As for the US, it's because World War II was the last time we got to pretend to be the "good guys" fighting against the "bad guys".

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/000/151/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg)
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Post by: Eiki-mun on April 13, 2016, 03:13:24 pm
Japanese internment camps, the firebombing of various Italian and German cities (as in, the civilian parts) and the nuking of two Japanese cities say yes, pretend. "Not quite as bad as Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan" does not equal "good".

EDIT: Not even bringing up the war crimes of the USSR, who may I remind you, we're on our side.
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Post by: TheContrarian on April 13, 2016, 03:23:54 pm
Oh come off it.

The combined death tolls of both atomic bombings AND the Soviet invasion of Manchuria come to about 300'000.

How many japanese citizens do you think would have died in the event of the allies needing to invade the Japanese islands?  We'd be sat here 70 years on bemoaning the "unnecessary" deaths of millions.

Arguments to the contrary are and have always been unmitigated DERP. 
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Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 13, 2016, 03:38:09 pm
Japanese internment camps,

Those were a black mark on American history, yes, but they're not even remotely comparable to what the Germans and Japanese did.

the firebombing of various Italian and German cities (as in, the civilian parts)

Care to give me a citation?

and the nuking of two Japanese cities

Which was the lesser of two evils.  There were about 200,000 Japanese casualties as a result of the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that subduing Japan through invasion would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities.

say yes, pretend. "Not quite as bad as Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan" does not equal "good".

True.  On the other hand, there's a very big difference between the fundamental nature of American war crimes and those of the Germans or Japanese.  See, when the Western Allies committed war crimes, it was generally a case of going too far in pursuit of legitimate military aims.  For the Axis, on the other hand, the war crimes were committed because they wanted to exterminate the "untermenchen."

Even when extermination wasn't the objective, the British and Americans were nowhere near as awful as the Axis.  For example, people make a big fuss about Dresden, but they conveniently ignore the fact that it was a legitimate military target.  The Nazis, on the other hand, bombed Rotterdam after the Dutch had already surrendered.  And keep in mind, the Dutch were considered "Aryan."

EDIT: Not even bringing up the war crimes of the USSR, who may I remind you, we're on our side.

True, the Red Army committed a lot of really awful atrocities.  However, you were specifically talking about Americans.
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Post by: dpareja on April 13, 2016, 03:39:16 pm
"Less Bad" != "Good"
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Post by: Even Then on April 13, 2016, 03:54:44 pm
Yeah, all pretense of being "good" or "a hero" goes out the window when you bring out the atomic bomb, mate. That's "a marginally lighter shade of grey" at best.
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Post by: TheContrarian on April 13, 2016, 04:04:17 pm
Yeah, all pretense of being "good" or "a hero" goes out the window when you bring out the atomic bomb, mate. That's "a marginally lighter shade of grey" at best.

I never got the sentiment behind this idea.

It's not functionally any different from using ordinary bombs to basically raze a city.  Just ask the survivors of Coventry, London, Hamburg, Dresden or Tokyo how glad they were not to have an a-bomb dropped on them.

You could even say that the above were in some ways worse because of the tactics employed.  An atomic bomb is indiscriminate, you can't (for example) fill your first wave of bombers with incendiaries in the hopes of starting fires and drawing the emergency services out onto the streets before the rest of your bombers arrive.
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Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 13, 2016, 04:25:44 pm
"Less Bad" != "Good"

But by the same token, controversial acts don't necessarily make you evil.  If you'll remember, Abe Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, but that doesn't make him a tyrant.
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Post by: Eiki-mun on April 13, 2016, 05:03:26 pm
Well, this topic blew up far more than I expected. Unfortunately I'm still at work so I can't formulate a proper reply, so if you're willing to wait, Conty and Ultie, I'll have a proper response this evening. In the meantime, after further thought, I'll withdraw the point about the atomic bombing. I was mistaken about a few relevant points related to it, and I feel my position is secure enough with the internment camps and the firebombing of places like Dresden and Hamburg anyway.

What is my position? Allow me to clarify it: World War II was not a fight of the brave, heroic white knights of America against the evil, vile krauts and japs. America was, like most countries involved in the war, guilty of some rather damning war crimes itself.
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Post by: Art Vandelay on April 13, 2016, 05:26:52 pm
Yeah, all pretense of being "good" or "a hero" goes out the window when you bring out the atomic bomb, mate. That's "a marginally lighter shade of grey" at best.
Do you have a better way to end the war? Conventional bombing was both bloodier (napalm really does a number on those wood and paper houses a lot of the Japanese lived in at the time, as it turns out) and didn't have near the same shock value as nukes, invasion would've made conventional bombing look like a scraped knee and blockade would've condemned hundreds of thousands of people (if that) to death by starvation instead of bombs. Most importantly, every one of these options would've resulted in far higher allied casualties. That and dragged the war out even longer. Operation Downfall for example was estimated to force a surrender late 1947 at the very earliest. Honestly, nukes were by far the least bloody way to end the war. Not just for the allies but also the Japanese.

Not that I'm saying America or any other WWII combatant were "the good guys", per se. Just that that's the reality of war. Whatever you do, people are going to die and far more are going to suffer.
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Post by: Even Then on April 13, 2016, 05:34:09 pm
I'm not saying it wasn't effective, or that it didn't prevent casualties. But like Eiki, I despise people thinking of thinking of the USA as "the good guys" because of it. Was it effective? Yes. Did it end the war? Yes. Was it "heroic" or "good"? Like you said, no. It was only (arguably) less evil.
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Post by: Art Vandelay on April 13, 2016, 05:57:32 pm
I'm not saying it wasn't effective, or that it didn't prevent casualties. But like Eiki, I despise people thinking of thinking of the USA as "the good guys" because of it. Was it effective? Yes. Did it end the war? Yes. Was it "heroic" or "good"? Like you said, no. It was only (arguably) less evil.
Then why is it such a terrible thing in your eyes compared to everything else they did? Of all the actions you could've chosen that sends "all pretense of being "good" or "a hero" goes out the window", why did you go with the thing that ended the war quickly largely through shock value alone? As I said before, the US also levelled Tokyo with napalm, and that had around the death toll of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Why, for example, is that not the thing that proves the Americans weren't "the good guys"?
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Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 13, 2016, 06:03:25 pm
Japan and World War II have a relationship almost as weird as America's obsession with WWII.

Nowhere is more obsessed with WWII than Britain, surely?  It's almost impossible to get through a day without encountering some mention of or reference to it.  That's not even much of an exaggeration.

Well it *is* the last bit of history before everything got communistic and boring.

Late 20th century history is dreary as fuck.
In other words Suez happened after WWII and cranky old Tories like you still haven't gotten over it.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Askold on April 14, 2016, 01:16:24 am
Remember that Japan was probably ready to surrender before Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One of the words in their reply was mistranslated and "no comment" on the demand to surrender became"that is not worthy of discussion."

Some of their army was ready to fight to the death as you could see from their attempted coup, but many knew that they had lost and were against useless bloodshed.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 14, 2016, 03:52:25 am
In WWII terms like "collateral damage" weren't in common currency, there weren't too many citizens in any of the parties involved who were going to put up much of a fuss over the mass slaughter of enemy civilians and plenty who would have cheered it on.

This doesn't make the tactic of bombing civilian populations to terrorize them any less noxious, it certainly doesn't excuse testing new weapons by blowing up noncombatants with them.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 14, 2016, 09:36:13 am
In WWII terms like "collateral damage" weren't in common currency, there weren't too many citizens in any of the parties involved who were going to put up much of a fuss over the mass slaughter of enemy civilians and plenty who would have cheered it on.

This doesn't make the tactic of bombing civilian populations to terrorize them any less noxious, it certainly doesn't excuse testing new weapons by blowing up noncombatants with them.

Okay, that's just factually incorrect.  Hiroshima was an industrial center that housed the 2nd Army and its command center, and Nagasaki was a major military port that served as a staging area for attacks on American vessels.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Katsuro on April 14, 2016, 11:29:39 am
Hey if we're competing for who was the biggest dickbag during WWII, which we weren't, you can't leave out Britain's carpet firebombing of Dresden.  It's hard to feel much like the good guys after reading about it.  And I mean proper reading about it, not just a cursory glance at the Wikipedia page on it - reading first hand accounts from survivors and that sort of thing.  I have read quite a lot about it as my GCSE History teacher kind of had a thing about Dresden and spent some time covering it and went into much, much detail.  If we'd nuked the city it actually might actually have been far less horrific.
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Katsuro on April 14, 2016, 11:33:10 am
Just realised things have gotten pretty fucking heavy in here considering the thread started off about a game where you can date a tank.  Let's balance it out with a picture of a kitty in a tiara:

(http://i.imgur.com/Zl5kZgT.gif)
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: TheContrarian on April 14, 2016, 12:48:33 pm
Remember that Japan was probably ready to surrender before Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One of the words in their reply was mistranslated and "no comment" on the demand to surrender became"that is not worthy of discussion."

Some of their army was ready to fight to the death as you could see from their attempted coup, but many knew that they had lost and were against useless bloodshed.

If we can interface with reality for just a moment, Japan's civil situation in 1945 is analogous to Germany's in 1918; the populace had been fed such a ridiculous pack of lies by those in charge that the idea of the war being a lost cause was barely believable.

If you were one of the few survivors of Iwo Jima or Okinawa you may have had enough of a reality check to know the war was lost, but Japan was preparing to defend its' home islands to the last man, civilian or otherwise.

Now, if you want to make the case that it wasn't the atomic bombings that persuaded them to surrender, but the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, you may have more of a point...
Title: Re: Would you like to date a tank? You can now do it in a Japanese game.
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 14, 2016, 01:05:20 pm
Apologies for not getting to that reply I promised. I was pretty tired most of the day and by the time I was ready, the forum was on the fritz. Tonight, I promise.