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Offline KZN02

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Nazis and US Political Parties
« on: January 18, 2013, 04:51:15 pm »
Having gone through quotes on the site, I've seen many equating Hitler and the Nazi party with Democrats and Liberals. When I try to search online on this matter, it would seem to be mostly right wing sites saying these sort of things over and over again. Searching for anything between Nazis and Republicans mentions some connections, though I'm still not sure on the matter. Does anyone have any better knowledge on the matter on which party is supported by or is closely related to Nazis and such?
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 05:01:31 pm »
In my dealings with Neo-Nazis and the like, they hate both the Democrats and the Republicans. Democrats are generally pro-gay rights and also do more for people of color. Republicans are steadfast supporters of Israel and are viewed as Zionist shills--they claim that debacles such as the Iraq War were done in the interests of Israel as opposed to multinational corporations. They tend to gravitate more toward American Third Positionism which, according to their platform, is against immigration, gun control, globalization, homosexuality, liberalism and neo-conservatism. They also support labor rights (to a degree), "voluntary racial separation", and environmentalism. In a essence, they believe that neither major party is sufficiently right-wing or pro-white. Some have staunch libertarian views as well, and Don Black openly supported Ron Paul during the 2012 presidential election.

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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 05:18:55 pm »
Are you forking serious?
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 05:28:50 pm »
In my dealings with Neo-Nazis and the like, they hate both the Democrats and the Republicans. Democrats are generally pro-gay rights and also do more for people of color. Republicans are steadfast supporters of Israel and are viewed as Zionist shills--they claim that debacles such as the Iraq War were done in the interests of Israel as opposed to multinational corporations. They tend to gravitate more toward American Third Positionism which, according to their platform, is against immigration, gun control, globalization, homosexuality, liberalism and neo-conservatism. They also support labor rights (to a degree), "voluntary racial separation", and environmentalism. In a essence, they believe that neither major party is sufficiently right-wing or pro-white. Some have staunch libertarian views as well, and Don Black openly supported Ron Paul during the 2012 presidential election.
Hmm, that makes sense, taking the third option. So obviously Nazis is just a term and scapegoat the political parties throw at each other, neither of which are supported by. Thanks for the clarification.

It's funny seeing each side attacking each other for supporting or being against an issue the Nazis agree with, but that pretty much goes into Hitler Ate Sugar.
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 06:45:43 pm »
To the extent that Hitler had anything at all to do with the United States, the people he liked are the people Republicans like (Ford, Disney, et al). In one of the most outrageous programs ever to go to air, Glenn Beck told everyone that FDR was a Nazi and Ford the anti-Nazi fighting for freedom.
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2013, 11:26:29 am »
To the extent that Hitler had anything at all to do with the United States, the people he liked are the people Republicans like (Ford, Disney, et al). In one of the most outrageous programs ever to go to air, Glenn Beck told everyone that FDR was a Nazi and Ford the anti-Nazi fighting for freedom.
Ford? Yes. But while Disney may have been a Republican many of the accusations against him (e.g. anti-semitism) stem from a book written by a disgruntled former employee of his.

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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2013, 11:59:35 am »
I've read The Turner Diaries, and the "heroes" don't like Democrats or Republicans.  To call either party "Nazis" would be totally inaccurate. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 12:12:41 pm »
I've read The Turner Diaries...
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 12:17:08 pm »
Strange thing is the happy ending has all non whites being killed.  And maybe Arabs

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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2013, 04:52:42 pm »
I've read The Turner Diaries...
Yikes. How the hell did you manage?
I read it for a project on hatred.  I managed to find a copy online, and I was sickened by it.
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2013, 07:34:20 pm »
To the extent that Hitler had anything at all to do with the United States, the people he liked are the people Republicans like (Ford, Disney, et al). In one of the most outrageous programs ever to go to air, Glenn Beck told everyone that FDR was a Nazi and Ford the anti-Nazi fighting for freedom.
Ford? Yes. But while Disney may have been a Republican many of the accusations against him (e.g. anti-semitism) stem from a book written by a disgruntled former employee of his.

Huh. You're absolutely right. I owe poor old Disney an apology.
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2013, 10:32:39 pm »
I ran into idiot!Skater!Neo-Nazi today, and I decided to take my shot and asked him what he thought of his affiliation being used as a political curse word between the Republicans and Democrats.

I have never seen that guy so damn furious. I didn't think he had it in him. He always seemed so...cartoonish. Silly. So profoundly un-menacing that it seemed unbelievable that he was, seriously, a part of a dangerous, reactionary group.

He punctuated it by trying to deck a guy wearing a pro-life shirt. He missed in a hilarious manner, and ended up on his ass.
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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2013, 11:46:23 pm »
Odd thing was that the Nazi's would basically oppose abortion of white people and make that illegal but force jews to have them

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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 03:36:31 am »
I think the more interesting point is not so much which party has the most Nazi supporters, but which political ideology most closely matches the political ideologies on the Nazi party.

From what I have seen, the main reason why the right calls the democratic party Nazis is because they honestly believe the Nazi party was socialist and communist and apply that thinking to the democratic party. The other attachment is that thy often just like to stick terms they don't like together and slap that label on the democratic party.

As for how closely the republican party matches the Nazi party, I will honestly admit I don't know enough about either to really make an informed comparison. If anything the only real links I can see is that both focused on social conservatism and were in favor of totalitarian police states.

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Re: Nazis and US Political Parties
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 04:32:49 am »
Republicans advocate rather totalitarian-leaning ideologies, especially from a social standpoint (such as Christian prayer in schools, no LGBT rights, no reproductive health rights, legalized death penalty, strict anti-drug laws, no citizen privacy, etc.). In this respect, their political views are similar to Nazis, minus the obvious racist aspects. Frankly, Nazis take their totalitarianism much farther, since while the average Republican has some rather regressive social views, he does not believe in fascism to the radical degree that Nazism promotes. If you took the average Republican and placed him in Nazi Germany, he would probably find its political system abhorrent just from the standpoint of individual liberties.

However, Republicans also favor more laissez-faire economics (at least, until the big corporations they're in bed with start asking for government handouts). From what I understand, Hitler didn't actually give a flying fuck about the economy, and his views on the matter were quite conflicted and contradictory. His party was called the National Socialist Party, and at times he identified as socialist in his speeches, though later speeches repudiated this. He also claimed to be very much against both capitalism and communism (particularly Marxism), which he saw as Jewish inventions. In private, he believed that protecting capitalistic competition was important, but his administration still passed laws that placed a number of restrictions on companies. Corporations were given free reign, unless their goods were useless to the state. Farmers owned their own land, but they were not allowed to sell it.
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