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2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« on: January 27, 2016, 06:09:28 pm »
I think we needed this.

First story: Donald Trump withdraws from a Fox News debate:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-abruptly-withdraws-fox-debate-iowa-011258535--finance.html

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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2016, 06:15:01 pm »
Heh, it's all about his hate-on for Megyn Kelly. Figures.

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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2016, 06:16:08 pm »
Heh, it's all about his hate-on for Megyn Kelly. Figures.

Never thought I'd be so certain when it came to siding with Kelly...

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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2016, 06:31:35 pm »
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2016, 06:43:37 pm »
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

In fairness, the Republican contest could actually be interesting this year, since it could well be undecided by the time the convention rolls around.

(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2016, 06:48:24 pm »
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2016, 08:18:10 pm »
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2016, 08:20:06 pm »
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

You forgot one thing: e) has actual political experience.

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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2016, 08:23:06 pm »
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

You forgot one thing: e) has actual political experience.

That too.
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2016, 08:39:11 pm »
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2016, 08:49:50 pm »
I know Republican voters like Trump, but I've read that the Republican party hates him worse than the word "government".

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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2016, 09:10:00 pm »
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

Technically, Trump never filed for bankruptcy. One of his sub-corporations did. As much as I hate the guy, there is a difference (bankrupting a sub-corporation can be tactically smart as the law allows the share holders and owners of the sub-corporation limited liability).

And yeah, Bloomberg... The same guy responsible for ordering New York's police force to brutalize occupy protesters.
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2016, 09:24:45 pm »
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

Technically, Trump never filed for bankruptcy. One of his sub-corporations did. As much as I hate the guy, there is a difference (bankrupting a sub-corporation can be tactically smart as the law allows the share holders and owners of the sub-corporation limited liability).

And yeah, Bloomberg... The same guy responsible for ordering New York's police force to brutalize occupy protesters.

Which... means he's probably no worse than the rest of the Republican field?

I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing

I personally want Bush to win the nomination, if only so that the election can be Clinton vs Bush and I can laugh at Americans who mock other countries for having hereditary monarchies and aristocracies. (Yes, I know Hillary isn't Bill's descendant.)
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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2016, 09:58:28 pm »
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing

Rubio and Cruz are both almost as pestilent as Trump. Chris Christie is probably the only one who isn't shit. Jeb Bush at least isn't probably got a Lawful Neutral alignment which is better than the rest.

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Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2016, 10:43:53 pm »
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing

Rubio and Cruz are both almost as pestilent as Trump. Chris Christie is probably the only one who isn't shit. Jeb Bush at least isn't probably got a Lawful Neutral alignment which is better than the rest.

Wasn't Christie caught screwing over cities whose mayors disagreed with him?
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.