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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #225 on: December 17, 2017, 12:11:03 am »
The report you cited was about toys.

This is the science and tech thread but Tonka trucks is a bit of a stretch!

So Lana, should we base human resources policies on a study showing that lads like cap guns then?

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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #226 on: December 17, 2017, 07:46:00 am »
Or that caps like lad guns?
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #227 on: December 17, 2017, 05:30:00 pm »
Or that guns like lad caps?

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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #228 on: December 19, 2017, 08:09:02 pm »
The report you cited was about toys.

This is the science and tech thread but Tonka trucks is a bit of a stretch!

So Lana, should we base human resources policies on a study showing that lads like cap guns then?

Oh my nonexistent god, are you serious?

This can't be real. You've been lecturing me about science for what seems like an eternity, and you don't understand the scientific implications of this? What we have here is evidence that boys and girls are interested in different things from a very early age, which casts a lot of doubt on the notion that the gender imbalance in the tech industry happens only for societal reasons.

And Askold, I'm going to be blunt: as a moderator, I don't think you're doing a very good job. And you still haven't satisfactorily answered my question.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2017, 08:18:06 pm by Lana Reverse »
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #229 on: December 19, 2017, 10:52:38 pm »
Yes, it answers a scientific question about gender using a group an age bracket and a question that was unrelated to Damore's thesis about women's supoosed choices about careers.

One study suggesting that biology is a factor among children for making choices about toys does not validate Damore's thesis that the same holds true for adults about an entirely different type of choice. It certainly doesn't discount structural barriers for women in employment in technology which Damore favors minimising.

The question is not "can biology affect human choice at all", rather it's whether Damore's thesis, that biology and it's effect on women's choices is responsible for employment disparities in STEM in general and computer fields in particular as opposed to sexism. This study on toy preference doesn't do that!

Gonna answer Murdin's points now? There was that fascinating case from one of the "academics" backing Damore using Data from the Early 20th century, from Scotland and also- from kids.

A tiny sample size of kids.

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There is a significant overlap, yes. But if we look at the tails, as I’ve been stressing over and over, one can still see massive differences.

The defilement of science is less eye-gouging than in the two previous exhibits, but there's a lot of different wrongs in this single point.
  • The linked article was written by an economist. Incidentally, the same economist with no background in natural sciences that pulled the Everest regression out of his ass.
  • It is, in fact, a libertarian political tract poorly disguised as a scientific study. Which is admittedly par for the course for an economist.
  • The blog author was trying to address the differences in software engineering skill between men and women. The relevant part of the article is about IQ instead.
  • Said part is based on a survey from Scotland, made in... 1932. That's right, 85 year old data from a fairly small and culturally homogeneous population.
  • On 11 year old kids.
  • The "massive differences" touted by the blog author... simply aren't that massive. Even at the very tail end of the chart, we have 277 boys for 203 girls, which is a bit over four boys for every three girls.
  • Inflated claims and abusive use of IQ as a measure for skill notwithstanding, this number does not even come close to explaining the truly massive gender disparities in software engineering.
From a more personal perspective, as a software engineer myself, I'm highly skeptical of the underlying claim that doing my job competently actually requires such extraordinary mental prowess.

Looking forward to your answer to Murdin's post! Maybe you'll have some grounds to demand answers from Askold and not look like a complete hypocrite!

But I doubt it.
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #230 on: December 20, 2017, 12:22:28 am »
Holy dogshit, this thread's over 4 months old.  And that is hilarious.
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #231 on: December 20, 2017, 02:07:42 am »
And the closer you look at Damore's claims the worse they look. He was able to keep up the "akshually it's about science" charade on exactly until people looked at what he based his rant on. And now he's gone straight into "women can't into computers and anyone who disagrees believes in unicorns" territory.
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #232 on: December 20, 2017, 03:33:19 am »
Damore: Actually, its about science. (said in as nasally a voice as possible)

Me: Shut up and enjoy your slushy, DaLESS!
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #233 on: January 08, 2018, 09:15:11 pm »
He's now suing Google for discriminating against "white, male conservatives."

Only in 20-fucking-18
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #234 on: January 09, 2018, 03:12:13 pm »
OH that's a case he'll win.

Ironbite-if Lana's on the jury that is.

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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #235 on: January 09, 2018, 03:49:35 pm »
I've read the lawsuit, and if what the plaintiffs are claiming is true, then I'd say they have a good case. Maybe you'd like to see some of the evidence.

Open discrimination against white men:





Making how-to guides on political violence:



Suggesting Google try to prevent fired employees from getting jobs elsewhere:



Now, I don't think we should automatically assume that all of these claims are true, but if even some of them are...
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #236 on: January 09, 2018, 04:36:15 pm »
Hey look!

Ironbite-my prediction came true!

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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #237 on: January 09, 2018, 04:40:41 pm »
Hey look!

Ironbite-my prediction came true!

Anything to say about what I posted?
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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #238 on: January 09, 2018, 05:23:48 pm »
Nah because you can't discriminate against white men.

Ironbite-anything we get, we deserve.

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Re: Google facing multiple lawsuits
« Reply #239 on: January 09, 2018, 05:52:03 pm »
Oh my god! Lana found quotes that nobody cares about from people that nobody gives a shit about, and then blows it all out of proportion to create a chimeric fallacy: with the tale of a red herring, the body of a galloping gish, and the head of a false-equivalency. How will our side ever recover from this masterful zugzwang?

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