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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 08:40:54 pm »
I've had one of those ultrasounds before and let me tell you, it is fucking uncomfortable. And that was for nothing more than seeing that my IUD was in the right place after the procedure was done--nothing so emotionally manipulative on the line as making me look at a grey blurry blob on a screen or hear a faint heartbeat to guilt me into keeping a pregnancy I neither planned nor wanted.

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2012, 09:02:51 pm »
Fuck Virginia.

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2012, 09:04:41 pm »
Invasive and uncomfortable yes.  Rape, no.

OF COURSE YOU DON'T THINK IT'S RAPE!  OF COURSE!

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 09:13:23 pm »
I kind of want to see how he can possibly claim it's not rape without saying something that sounds eerily similar to a rape apologist argument.

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2012, 09:28:48 pm »
It's not rape because it is a medical procedure that is agreed to by the women.  Yes, by this new law she must have one before she can have an abortion.  It's stupid and pointless, but she still has to agree to the procedure.
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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2012, 09:34:49 pm »
Congrats....you're now a rape apologist.

Ironbite-congrats.

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2012, 09:37:43 pm »
It's not rape because it is a medical procedure that is agreed to by the women.  Yes, by this new law she much have one before she can have an abortion.  It's stupid and pointless, but she still has to agree to the procedure.

"Either let me put this device in your vagina or you will be withheld medical treatment" sounds a hell of a lot like rape to me. Sure, she can decline, but I see very little difference between that and any other sort of threat. About the only difference I can think of is that the penetration isn't designed for the sexual or egoistic needs of the individual; it's just to punish the woman for having sex.
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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2012, 09:40:04 pm »
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It's not rape because it is a medical procedure that is agreed to by the women.  Yes, by this new law she much have one before she can have an abortion.  It's stupid and pointless, but she still has to agree to the procedure.

This is what you might call "coercion."

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2012, 09:43:42 pm »
Congrats....you're now a rape apologist.

Ironbite-congrats.

Coming from you that means absolutely nothing.
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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2012, 09:49:14 pm »
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It's not rape because it is a medical procedure that is agreed to by the women.  Yes, by this new law she much have one before she can have an abortion.  It's stupid and pointless, but she still has to agree to the procedure.

This is what you might call "coercion."

That might be true if the doctors were the ones making that decision.  They are not.  They will be following that law.  They will not have an option to just preform the abortion.

Plus I might think that actual victims of rape might disagree that having this procedure done is rape.  Hell, lets just call routine pap-smears rape as well.  I hear those are uncomfortable.
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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2012, 09:52:35 pm »
Congrats....you're now a rape apologist.

Ironbite-congrats.

Coming from you that means absolutely nothing.

After recent events, everything coming from you means absolutely nothing.

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2012, 09:52:52 pm »
I think the point they're trying to make to you is that they can use this to withhold treatment if you don't let them shove something you don't want in your vagina into you.  That's a weeeeeeee bit different than a pap smear.
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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2012, 09:54:41 pm »
Invasive and uncomfortable yes.  Rape, no.

That being said perhaps the thought escaped some of the state legislators that women might now just wait longer to have an abortion and avoid this procedure.

It's coercive, forcible penetration with an object. Don't they call that 'object rape'?
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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2012, 09:55:17 pm »
Congrats....you're now a rape apologist.

Ironbite-congrats.

Coming from you that means absolutely nothing.
I don't get it, did Ironbite say anything that would make his view on rape invalid?

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Re: Legally required invasive procedure and Medical Scarlet letter Law
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2012, 09:58:12 pm »
Speaking as an "actual" sexual assault survivor (not rape, but still a high traumatic experience; I would rather not go into the details), I would not be offended if someone referred to this as medical sexual assault. Granted, I only represent a single data point, but this kind of ranking of sexual assault really pisses me off. All unwanted touching, groping and penetration is traumatic, and how badly a person reacts doesn't work on a linear scale -- it's belittling to say, "Oh, what would REAL victims of rape/sexual assault/whatever think about this!?"

The coercion is at the hands of the government. The fact that the doctor is merely following the law does not alter the fact that this has the potential to traumatize countless women. This is medical assault, period.

And comparing this to a pap smear is ignorant as hell. It's not the discomfort that's the issue -- many medical procedures range from unpleasant to downright excruciation. It's the fact that women are being coerced into an invasive, uncomfortable procedure that's the real problem here. Last I checked, there aren't any laws forcing women to get pap smears.
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