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Title: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 16, 2016, 02:43:53 pm
Because I think we're well overdue for one.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: guizonde on January 16, 2016, 05:06:48 pm
first response: i'm totally cool with it. more business for me and my colleagues while simultaneously granting haven to those in need. win win. also, keeping the "terre d'accueil" tradition alive.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Søren on January 16, 2016, 06:14:41 pm
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ironchew on January 16, 2016, 06:30:55 pm
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late, Hofstadter. European migrants already colonized the world and currently control it.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2016, 11:46:36 am
Here's another atrocious crime apparently committed by migrants:

http://www.jpost.com/International/North-African-men-attempt-to-stone-transgender-women-in-German-city-441695 (http://www.jpost.com/International/North-African-men-attempt-to-stone-transgender-women-in-German-city-441695)

I have every reason to believe that most migrants are good people.  But if the authorities don't deal with incidents like these, they just give more ammo to the far-right.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Even Then on January 17, 2016, 11:47:34 am
But the police... are dealing with the Cologne attacks?
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2016, 11:58:04 am
But the police... are dealing with the Cologne attacks?

As far as I know.  And that's a good thing.

But on the other hand, you have cases like Rotherham, where the authorities were reluctant to investigate a pedophile ring.  Why?  Because the culprits were mostly Pakistani, and they were afraid of being called racist.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Even Then on January 17, 2016, 12:17:17 pm
...yeah, that's something I'll call BS on unless you have a statement from the authorities where they're literally stating they're reluctant to investigate specifically because the suspects are Pakistani.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2016, 12:27:09 pm
...yeah, that's something I'll call BS on unless you have a statement from the authorities where they're literally stating they're reluctant to investigate specifically because the suspects are Pakistani.

Alright, here you go:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089)

Quote
The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so."
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Even Then on January 17, 2016, 12:31:13 pm
...huh.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Askold on January 17, 2016, 02:17:46 pm
A Finnish parliament member, Pentti Oinonen, recently wrote to a newspaper and complained about cops doing nothing to catch the refugees who commit rape. He mentioned an example where a 15 year old girl had been raped at Kuopio and said that the police aren't doing anything about it. Lots

Soon after the newspaper came out he got a call from the police which apparently went something like this "Hi this is the police department of Kuopio. You recently mentioned a rape at our city with a 15 year old victim but no such crime has been reported to us. Obviously you didn't just make up this, because saying that a PM would make up rape cases to incite hate against refugees is simply preposterous so we are very interested in knowing more about this incident. If you could show up at the nearest police station for an interview that would be great."

...The next day Oinonen was again writing to a magazine and complaining about the police over reach and that he has no intention of entering a police station willingly. "Send 4-5 strong men to carry me by force" he said. Apparently when he is making up crimes by the immigrants it is shameful that the police aren't doing anything but when the police show interest on those crimes and willingness to investigate then it is ridiculous that they torment him with their questionings?

The debacle went on for a while until he finally released a statement saying that he had been mistaken at the date and the victims age and the rape had happened a bit earlier (in other words, his bluff was called and he went through records to find any case even slightly similar and claimed that he was talking about that one.)
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2016, 02:55:03 pm
A Finnish parliament member, Pentti Oinonen, recently wrote to a newspaper and complained about cops doing nothing to catch the refugees who commit rape. He mentioned an example where a 15 year old girl had been raped at Kuopio and said that the police aren't doing anything about it. Lots

Soon after the newspaper came out he got a call from the police which apparently went something like this "Hi this is the police department of Kuopio. You recently mentioned a rape at our city with a 15 year old victim but no such crime has been reported to us. Obviously you didn't just make up this, because saying that a PM would make up rape cases to incite hate against refugees is simply preposterous so we are very interested in knowing more about this incident. If you could show up at the nearest police station for an interview that would be great."

...The next day Oinonen was again writing to a magazine and complaining about the police over reach and that he has no intention of entering a police station willingly. "Send 4-5 strong men to carry me by force" he said. Apparently when he is making up crimes by the immigrants it is shameful that the police aren't doing anything but when the police show interest on those crimes and willingness to investigate then it is ridiculous that they torment him with their questionings?

The debacle went on for a while until he finally released a statement saying that he had been mistaken at the date and the victims age and the rape had happened a bit earlier (in other words, his bluff was called and he went through records to find any case even slightly similar and claimed that he was talking about that one.)

Hope he loses his seat.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Skybison on January 17, 2016, 08:10:59 pm
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late for what?  What do you think is going to happen?

Are Syrian refugees more likely to be rapists, or are Syrian rapists just given more attention because they can be used to promote anti-refugee bigotry?

Now I can believe that the percentage of migrants who are rapists might be higher then the percentage of Europeans, due to feminism being further behind in the middle east, but I'd still need some evidence.  At any rate the majority of Syrian refugees are not rapists.  Should we really deny safety to a non-rapist because he came from the same country as a rapist?  Americans are more likely to shoot people then Canadians, should we ban Americans from entering Canada over this?

Anyway as a partly Irishman, this blog post struck a chord with me
http://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/12/09/muslims-are-the-new-irish/
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: mellenORL on January 17, 2016, 09:23:04 pm
I suspect Hof was taking a piss at the thread's title being b]European[/b] Migrant and Refugee etc. Not Muslim migrants, which is what UP meant to say, I think.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 17, 2016, 09:45:12 pm
Still can't see the connection between British Pakistanis and Syrian Refugees aside from the fact that both are mostly Muslim. Pakistanis have been a large community in Britain for generations.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2016, 10:02:15 pm
Still can't see the connection between British Pakistanis and Syrian Refugees aside from the fact that both are mostly Muslim. Pakistanis have been a large community in Britain for generations.

They're not exactly the same, true, but there's always the chance that something like this might happen when it comes to the refugees.  Already, we're seeing accusations that there was some kind of cover-up regarding Cologne, and we know Reddit tried to bury the story.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: rookie on January 18, 2016, 12:18:25 pm
Reddit is a credible news source now?
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2016, 01:48:48 pm
There was a big controversy about /r/WorldNews deleting threads about the Cologne story.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Canadian Mojo on January 18, 2016, 01:55:40 pm
Define 'big'
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Askold on January 18, 2016, 02:49:45 pm
...I was waiting to get a non-Finnish or Swedish article on this:
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35343392

It's not like you would need to do anything to make the Soldiers of Odin looks like clowns. I mean aside from all the things about their name you should know that they only "patrol" the downtown area (which is safe) and they do it 19:30-20:30... But as usual those who support the SoO are now sending death and/or rape threats to Loldiers of Odin members and calling them "traitors."
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: mellenORL on January 18, 2016, 03:21:59 pm
Loldiers of Odin. Beautiful. Almost Pastafarian.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Søren on January 19, 2016, 05:11:50 am
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late for what?  What do you think is going to happen?

Are Syrian refugees more likely to be rapists, or are Syrian rapists just given more attention because they can be used to promote anti-refugee bigotry?

Now I can believe that the percentage of migrants who are rapists might be higher then the percentage of Europeans, due to feminism being further behind in the middle east, but I'd still need some evidence.  At any rate the majority of Syrian refugees are not rapists.  Should we really deny safety to a non-rapist because he came from the same country as a rapist?  Americans are more likely to shoot people then Canadians, should we ban Americans from entering Canada over this?

Anyway as a partly Irishman, this blog post struck a chord with me
http://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/12/09/muslims-are-the-new-irish/


They are incompatible with us.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2016, 09:04:32 am
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late for what?  What do you think is going to happen?

Are Syrian refugees more likely to be rapists, or are Syrian rapists just given more attention because they can be used to promote anti-refugee bigotry?

Now I can believe that the percentage of migrants who are rapists might be higher then the percentage of Europeans, due to feminism being further behind in the middle east, but I'd still need some evidence.  At any rate the majority of Syrian refugees are not rapists.  Should we really deny safety to a non-rapist because he came from the same country as a rapist?  Americans are more likely to shoot people then Canadians, should we ban Americans from entering Canada over this?

Anyway as a partly Irishman, this blog post struck a chord with me
http://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/12/09/muslims-are-the-new-irish/


They are incompatible with us.

That's only because they're never given a chance to actually assimilate.  It takes longer than a couple of weeks, Deimos.  Hell, it takes more than a couple of weeks to assimilate with an internet forum, imagine how long it takes to do the same with an actual country with actual culture.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: The_Queen on January 19, 2016, 09:25:44 am
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late for what?  What do you think is going to happen?

Are Syrian refugees more likely to be rapists, or are Syrian rapists just given more attention because they can be used to promote anti-refugee bigotry?

Now I can believe that the percentage of migrants who are rapists might be higher then the percentage of Europeans, due to feminism being further behind in the middle east, but I'd still need some evidence.  At any rate the majority of Syrian refugees are not rapists.  Should we really deny safety to a non-rapist because he came from the same country as a rapist?  Americans are more likely to shoot people then Canadians, should we ban Americans from entering Canada over this?

Anyway as a partly Irishman, this blog post struck a chord with me
http://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/12/09/muslims-are-the-new-irish/


They are incompatible with us.

No, the Syrian refugees, like ourselves, are perfectly compatible. While socialized differently, we share the same human qualities. They feel pain, they love, and they want acceptance. That is why they flee for their lives: so that they can hopefully one day live in peace with the loved ones they have left. To turn our backs on them puts some of the blood for their inevitable slaughter on our hands, and we, as humans, are better than that.

The only thing "incompatible" here is your xenophobic rhetoric with common intelligence and basic human values.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: pyro on January 19, 2016, 09:36:17 am
Anyway as a partly Irishman, this blog post struck a chord with me
http://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/12/09/muslims-are-the-new-irish/

"Muslims are the new Catholics" would probably be more accurate, or "Syrians are the new Irish."
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Skybison on January 19, 2016, 10:00:27 pm
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late for what?  What do you think is going to happen?

They are incompatible with us.

That's not an answer.  Let's say that's true, it isn't but I'll pretend it is, what is going to happen?  What horrible thing will occur if Noujain Mustaffa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4) is allowed to live in the EU or North America?
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Søren on January 20, 2016, 07:17:11 am
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late for what?  What do you think is going to happen?

They are incompatible with us.

That's not an answer.  Let's say that's true, it isn't but I'll pretend it is, what is going to happen?  What horrible thing will occur if Noujain Mustaffa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4) is allowed to live in the EU or North America?

Wheelchair girl guilt doesnt work on me, try it on someone else.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: The_Queen on January 20, 2016, 07:23:15 am
Strongly against, electrify the gates. Guard em, keep them out before its too late.

Too late for what?  What do you think is going to happen?

They are incompatible with us.

That's not an answer.  Let's say that's true, it isn't but I'll pretend it is, what is going to happen?  What horrible thing will occur if Noujain Mustaffa (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4) is allowed to live in the EU or North America?

Wheelchair girl guilt doesnt work on me, try it on someone else.

Maybe cause they're fucking human beings, with lives and feelings... who are about to be slaughtered. And, on our part, opening our borders to them is an insignificant burden. Oh, wait, I forgot that you're an edgelord "sociopath." phbththt.

/me goes to work

Fuck it, fuck it all I say.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Skybison on January 20, 2016, 11:30:14 am
Wheelchair girl guilt doesnt work on me, try it on someone else.

Besides the point.  No terrible thing will happen if we allow refugees into the west.  You aren't even attempting to explain why you're paranoid of them.

Say what you will about Ultimate Paragon, at least he makes an argument.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 20, 2016, 11:54:56 am
Gonna have to agree with Queen here, Hof.  Some of the migrants are assholes, yeah, but most of them are victims of war who just want shelter.  We cannot, in good conscience, bar them from entry simply because you think they're "incompatible."  People used to say that about the Chinese, the Italians, the Poles.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: ironbite on January 20, 2016, 12:46:26 pm
He's an Australian bogan who takes the piss out of anyone trying to have a "safe" space.

Ironbite-what do you guys expect?
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 20, 2016, 01:11:10 pm
He's an Australian bogan who takes the piss out of anyone trying to have a "safe" space.

Ironbite-what do you guys expect?

Which is ironic, considering he wants to turn the entire Western (read: white) world into a "safe space" from Teh Evol Mudslimes.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: davedan on January 20, 2016, 03:48:54 pm
He's an Australian bogan who takes the piss out of anyone trying to have a "safe" space.

Ironbite-what do you guys expect?

Which is ironic, considering he wants to turn the entire Western (read: white) world into a "safe space" from Teh Evol Mudslimes.

I think there is serious danger of a singularity occurring because right now - UP, Ironbite, the Queen and I all agree.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: ironbite on January 20, 2016, 03:58:46 pm
I'm not sure where you got that from Dave but Hof really doesn't want to do anything like that.

Ironbite-he's being a bogan is what he's being.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Random Gal on January 20, 2016, 03:59:41 pm
He's an Australian bogan who takes the piss out of anyone trying to have a "safe" space.

Ironbite-what do you guys expect?

Which is ironic, considering he wants to turn the entire Western (read: white) world into a "safe space" from Teh Evol Mudslimes.

I think there is serious danger of a singularity occurring because right now - UP, Ironbite, the Queen and I all agree.

I'm going to go check the weather forecast in Hell. And then see if any pig farmers noticed their livestock flying away.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: davedan on January 20, 2016, 04:10:00 pm
I'm not sure where you got that from Dave but Hof really doesn't want to do anything like that.

Ironbite-he's being a bogan is what he's being.

Bogans here fucking hate and fear anyone who is different. We grew here, you flew here. So being present by an accident of Birth is somehow more meritorious than deciding this is where you want to live. Fuck I hate bogans. Cronulla rioting, flag wearing bogans who worry that Sharia law is going to take over the sunshine coast. Wankers.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Søren on January 20, 2016, 05:41:41 pm
Wheelchair girl guilt doesnt work on me, try it on someone else.

Besides the point.  No terrible thing will happen if we allow refugees into the west.  You aren't even attempting to explain why you're paranoid of them.

Say what you will about Ultimate Paragon, at least he makes an argument.

On the incredivly rare occasion I let one of my positions known, I don't defend it. No internet argument is worth more than snark.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 20, 2016, 07:53:32 pm
Wheelchair girl guilt doesnt work on me, try it on someone else.

Besides the point.  No terrible thing will happen if we allow refugees into the west.  You aren't even attempting to explain why you're paranoid of them.

Say what you will about Ultimate Paragon, at least he makes an argument.

On the incredivly rare occasion I let one of my positions known, I don't defend it. No internet argument is worth more than snark.

No statement without anything to back it up is worth anything at all.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Skybison on January 21, 2016, 02:00:51 am
...Isn't the whole point of this forum arguing about politics on the internet?  It's perfectly reasonable to have no interest in internet arguments but I'm baffled as to why you'd be on a site like this.  Especially if you're not doing any snark.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 21, 2016, 02:04:51 am
Speaking as a child of European migrants myself, I think we did a mighty fine job colonizing this great nation we call the USA.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Søren on January 21, 2016, 02:55:07 am
...Isn't the whole point of this forum arguing about politics on the internet?  It's perfectly reasonable to have no interest in internet arguments but I'm baffled as to why you'd be on a site like this.  Especially if you're not doing any snark.

I've been here for a looooooooong time, s'why Rav called me Deimos, which was changed like....5 years ago?. Was a touch different back in the day, was slightly more focused when I joined
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 25, 2016, 11:30:26 pm
Well, here's another thing that happened:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/europe/sweden-asylum-seeker-stabs-woman/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/europe/sweden-asylum-seeker-stabs-woman/index.html)

I really hope this doesn't lead to a backlash against refugees.  Either way, the far-right is gonna use her death for political points, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Askold on January 26, 2016, 02:43:55 am
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/420a9b5e-b946-11e5-a7cc-280dfe875e28.html#axzz3yKlSGNvD

Denmark is planning a law which would allow the government to confisgate all valuables (except those of sentimental value and a small minimum sum of money) from refugees... Apparently the money gained by this would be used to cover the expenses that come from helping the refugees. Apart from being a horrible and inhuman process I doubt it could actually create profits since most refugees are poor. And it would put the refugees in even worse position as even the ones with enough cash to start a new life would be reduced to poverty.

...Also since, at least in Finland, one of the major points in our constitution is that laws are the same for everyone shouldn't this mean that anyone who applies for assistance from government should have all their property and belongings seized?
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: mellenORL on January 26, 2016, 09:28:38 am
Wow. Denmark? Why u Godwin, bruh?
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Delirium on January 26, 2016, 12:27:49 pm
Some great German posters (http://fuckyeahanarchistposters.tumblr.com/post/136947614424) about the Cologne attacks and sexism.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: niam2023 on January 27, 2016, 05:20:38 pm
Add me to Queen, UP and Davedan's agreement. The refugees are human - some are asses, some are good. To ignore reality for your feefees on the subject is puerile and disgusting.

The latest from Denmark is just lamentable. Godwin's law died with Trump's campaign, and now all of this...
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: I am lizard on January 27, 2016, 07:22:12 pm
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/420a9b5e-b946-11e5-a7cc-280dfe875e28.html#axzz3yKlSGNvD

Denmark is planning a law which would allow the government to confisgate all valuables (except those of sentimental value and a small minimum sum of money) from refugees... Apparently the money gained by this would be used to cover the expenses that come from helping the refugees. Apart from being a horrible and inhuman process I doubt it could actually create profits since most refugees are poor. And it would put the refugees in even worse position as even the ones with enough cash to start a new life would be reduced to poverty.

...Also since, at least in Finland, one of the major points in our constitution is that laws are the same for everyone shouldn't this mean that anyone who applies for assistance from government should have all their property and belongings seized?
Yeah, Amy valuables would have probably been used to pay for transport or bribe border guards.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 29, 2016, 06:45:33 pm
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/420a9b5e-b946-11e5-a7cc-280dfe875e28.html#axzz3yKlSGNvD

Denmark is planning a law which would allow the government to confisgate all valuables (except those of sentimental value and a small minimum sum of money) from refugees... Apparently the money gained by this would be used to cover the expenses that come from helping the refugees. Apart from being a horrible and inhuman process I doubt it could actually create profits since most refugees are poor. And it would put the refugees in even worse position as even the ones with enough cash to start a new life would be reduced to poverty.

...Also since, at least in Finland, one of the major points in our constitution is that laws are the same for everyone shouldn't this mean that anyone who applies for assistance from government should have all their property and belongings seized?

Half of every generation has to convince the other half that gas chambers are not a solution to their own paranoia and greed. Sometimes, as in Denmark, good does not triumph.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 29, 2016, 07:02:36 pm
I guess the Danes figure they're allowed to do this, since they saved their Jews during World War II.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 29, 2016, 09:10:57 pm
The collective memory of frightened xenophobes barely goes back five minutes let alone seven decades.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Askold on January 31, 2016, 04:01:16 pm
The Finnish Lutheran Church tweeted that "If there is a place that is not the right place for the cross and other christian symbols, it is a racist protest."

This was done because the "Close the borders" group had a anti-immigration/refugee protest where they carried a large cross. Now that group is threatening to sue the church for libel...

You know, despite how some of us here feel about religions, the Finnish churches have done a lot of good. Even my pagan friends are now talking about how they like this message (then again, the church has been talking about christian values and hospitality regarding the refugees for a while now) and how the church has helped them in other ways as well. (Not that they'd all be perfect. Plenty of the anti-refugee group members are LOUD AND PROUD Christians but most folks like that are leaving, or have left the church because they oppose a christian church that approves of LGBT minorities and refugees.)
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 31, 2016, 04:52:18 pm
The Finnish Lutheran Church tweeted that "If there is a place that is not the right place for the cross and other christian symbols, it is a racist protest."

This was done because the "Close the borders" group had a anti-immigration/refugee protest where they carried a large cross. Now that group is threatening to sue the church for libel...

You know, despite how some of us here feel about religions, the Finnish churches have done a lot of good. Even my pagan friends are now talking about how they like this message (then again, the church has been talking about christian values and hospitality regarding the refugees for a while now) and how the church has helped them in other ways as well. (Not that they'd all be perfect. Plenty of the anti-refugee group members are LOUD AND PROUD Christians but most folks like that are leaving, or have left the church because they oppose a christian church that approves of LGBT minorities and refugees.)

Why does Finland sound so much like some parts of the American South at times?

...Well, the only difference is that in the South, the Church is on the side of the racists.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Askold on January 31, 2016, 05:07:33 pm
Well, I still think these morons are in the minority, despite what they believe. Every time there are protests the anti-racism protests get a lot more people into the streets. ...Unfortunately a small but vocal bunch of anarchists is on the anti-racism side and their antics usually cause more damage than good.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: SCarpelan on February 01, 2016, 04:39:24 pm
Now police has published their crime statistics from last year. Since the streets are not safe for (white) women anymore without definitely-not-racist street patrols organized by a neo-nazi group a large percentage of the refugees must be rapists.

0,08% of the refugees are suspects in rape cases. Oops.

The most common crime committed by a refugee seems to be assault and battery mainly due to frequent fights between refugees in the reception centers. I wonder if these street patrols are going to volunteer to help prevent these fights since they are so worried about violent crime.

Edit:
Oh, and one of the reception centers and the town of Mikkeli had an experiment: they had five young adult refugees assisting in a local day care center as volunteers. All the people involved were happy with the results and the plan was to build on the success and expand the program to help with the integration of the refugees. Then the project hit the national news. Cue a racist shitstorm that caused the town to cancel the project to "maintain the trust" between the homes and the day care centers.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 01, 2016, 09:15:10 pm
Well, I still think these morons are in the minority, despite what they believe. Every time there are protests the anti-racism protests get a lot more people into the streets. ...Unfortunately a small but vocal bunch of anarchists is on the anti-racism side and their antics usually cause more damage than good.
Ah, antifa. Yep.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Skybison on February 21, 2016, 08:42:27 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35625595
"The fire in the town of Bautzen in the early hours of Sunday morning destroyed the roof of a former hotel, which was being converted into a migrant shelter.
Police said some of the crowd tried to prevent firefighters from extinguishing the blaze, which destroyed the roof.
The premier of Saxony, Stanislaw Tillich, described them as "criminals".
Police suspect arson. The investigation includes detectives who normally deal with extremist crimes. No-one was hurt."

Uhg.  I seriously can't picture being someone who'd try to stop firefighters from helping people in a burn building.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 21, 2016, 08:55:15 pm
That is incredibly vicious, nothing brings out the worst in people like nationalism, tribalism and xenophobia.
Title: Re: European Migrant and Refugee Discussion Thread
Post by: Askold on February 25, 2016, 07:16:26 am
Sons of Odin beat up a guy. He wasn't even a refugee or dark skinned or anything. They just didn't like what he said to them so 5 guys ganged up on him. The "loser" of the fight has broken bones and bruises, the "winners" are going to have a chat with the police and if the police do their job properly this might be the end for these "patriotic street patrols."