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Title: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 09, 2017, 09:15:49 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.b77e554604cb (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.b77e554604cb)

And this isn't just a single drive-by accusation, either. WaPo did a feature in-depth on Moore. They've clearly been sitting on this story for a while getting the facts together. When you factor in the Weinstein fallout, this could very easily sink Moore.
Title: Re: #HimToo: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on November 09, 2017, 09:40:20 pm
It's Alabama they'll still vote him in over a Democrat.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on November 09, 2017, 09:47:43 pm
Pretty much but hold on people.  The Great Turtle is saying that if these allegations are true, Moore needs to step aside.

Ironbite-that's powerful.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 09, 2017, 09:57:23 pm
Pretty much but hold on people.  The Great Turtle is saying that if these allegations are true, Moore needs to step aside.

Ironbite-that's powerful.

McCain's not happy either:

Quote from: John McCain
The allegations against Roy Moore are deeply disturbing and disqualifying. He should immediately step aside and allow the people of Alabama to elect a candidate they can be proud of.

Notice how McCain isn't adding an "if true" qualifier regarding the allegations. McConnell seems to be playing the Good Cop here, which suggests they're going to take a hardline stance on Moore. Not a shocker considering Moore isn't the most popular fellow.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 09, 2017, 10:05:04 pm
I wonder if the Senate will exercise its authority to control its own membership and refuse to seat Moore.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Cloud3514 on November 09, 2017, 11:49:25 pm
I wonder if the Senate will exercise its authority to control its own membership and refuse to seat Moore.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's a good one.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 10, 2017, 12:22:50 am
I wonder if the Senate will exercise its authority to control its own membership and refuse to seat Moore.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's a good one.

46 Dems, 2 Independents, some Republicans not running for reelection like McCain, Flake and Corker?

Not saying they will, just saying that it's not entirely unthinkable.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on November 10, 2017, 01:14:28 am
Remember how Breitbart took a tough stance against pedophilia and ran all those stories about the "Pizzagate?" I guess they should be REALLY pissed about Roy Moore.

...Oops: https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/11/09/breitbart-runs-defense-after-women-say-roy-moore-made-sexual-advances-while-they-were-teenagers/218500

Oh yeah, Moore isn't a Democrat so Breitbart is defending him. So are some other Republicans: http://time.com/5017940/roy-moore-sexual-contact-underage-jesus-defense-jim-ziegler/ BECAUSE JESUS!
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 10, 2017, 02:44:18 pm
The GOP as a whole seems to be distancing itself from him, given that the NRSC won't raise funds for him anymore (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/359814-nrsc-will-no-longer-fundraise-for-roy-moore).
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on November 10, 2017, 03:14:31 pm
He's still running, he'll still win. He'll get arrested and they'll do another vote to replace him with another Republican senator.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 10, 2017, 04:28:08 pm
Quote
And these women are just coming to tell their story now after almost 40 years.

It's Deja vu-- all over again. The same dirty trick they tried against Trump after he won the primaries. Which btw those women who had been recruited and paid to make the false allegations all disappeared after Trump was elected president.

The WaPo's scurrilous attempt to smear the judge... and a ploy to SUPPRESS THE VOTE... could end up backfiring by causing Moore's constituency in Alabama to redouble their support and efforts.

Not making that up.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on November 10, 2017, 04:49:37 pm
God I hope the GOP understands the pandora's box they're opening here with letting this idiot continue to run.

Ironbite-cause I can see what's coming.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 10, 2017, 05:01:39 pm
God I hope the GOP understands the pandora's box they're opening here with letting this idiot continue to run.

Ironbite-cause I can see what's coming.

They don't have a choice. He won the primary; he's running. They can't force him to drop out.

Most they could do is refuse to seat him if he wins.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on November 10, 2017, 05:20:39 pm
What did happen to all of those women that accused Trump of sexual harassment?
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 10, 2017, 05:49:12 pm
What did happen to all of those women that accused Trump of sexual harassment?

Knowing Trump, they were probably disappeared.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on November 11, 2017, 02:02:26 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/HAW7neRy0jOsVvIFbCXV9fd7LWSQJE1VUETEclpRq_4.png?w=1024&s=3d59b9fb0e5f3f18f48c785c1c7bf6fc)

In a different world this would have been an exaggerated joke...
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 11, 2017, 02:05:58 am
Republicans: Sharia is bad, let's have our religious law!
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 11, 2017, 09:53:41 pm
To me, what's really disheartening about all this is the number of people defending Moore. I can understand people saying we shouldn't presume his guilt. What I can't understand are the people trying to downplay or deflect. It reminds me of all those celebs who defended Roman Polanski.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 14, 2017, 02:50:10 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/roy-moore-republican-mcconnell-cory-gardner-1.4400882

What's worse for the Senate GOP than Roy Moore losing?

Roy Moore winning.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on November 14, 2017, 03:49:16 pm
Jesus.  That'll kill them in Alabama as the Neo Nazi Pedophiles come out in droves to protest this.

Ironbite-and they'll try and find someone worse then Moore to vote in.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on November 14, 2017, 04:10:54 pm
Nah, they Republicans and Libertarians will understand that electing a child molester is a small price to pay to stop a Democrat from getting elected.

I mean, that's why they preferred Trump over Clinton so why would they care about a lesser politician?

EDIT:

Latest defense to this scandal: If he did it, he was a Democrat back then. That's what Rush Limbaugh is now saying.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on November 15, 2017, 04:21:32 pm
Yeah Rush might wanna stay quiet least someone comes out against him.

Ironbite-also latest Republican-led poll has Moore down 12.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 15, 2017, 05:59:03 pm
Yeah Rush might wanna stay quiet least someone comes out against him.

Ironbite-also latest Republican-led poll has Moore down 12.

Imagine if the Dems had managed to pick off the Louisiana Senate runoff back last December...
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on November 15, 2017, 06:46:34 pm
They came close in every special election though.  Even in places they shouldn't have.  Gotta give 'em that much credit for making that much ground after The Orange Piss Pot won.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 15, 2017, 07:09:52 pm
They came close in every special election though.  Even in places they shouldn't have.  Gotta give 'em that much credit for making that much ground after The Orange Piss Pot won.

Yeah, but because the Senate has authority over appointments, it's arguably more consequential than the House. True, the GOP has been voting as a bloc on all the insane lunatic judicial nominees, but still...

EDIT: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/roy-moore-yearbook-handwriting-1.4403782

Who's not saying Moore should step aside? Trump, of course.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Katsuro on November 16, 2017, 06:43:34 am

EDIT:

Latest defense to this scandal: If he did it, he was a Democrat back then. That's what Rush Limbaugh is now saying.

I...but...you...what?  I mean....eh?

People; I don't get 'em.  Like seriously, things like this blow my fucking mind.  Just when you think people couldn't lower your expectations of the human race anymore, assholes like pop up.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 16, 2017, 09:09:13 pm
Overheard during a discussion of the Alabama special election: "Roy Moore is known to be a child molester. Doug Jones is known to be a Democrat. It's hard to say which is more damaging in Alabama."
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on November 17, 2017, 12:23:16 am
Well clearly Alabama leads the country in obesity, uneducated, and poorest. So clearly the Republican strangle hold the states had for the past twenty years is clearly working for them.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on November 17, 2017, 01:34:52 am
Well clearly Alabama leads the country in obesity, uneducated, and poorest. So clearly the Republican strangle hold the states had for the past twenty years is clearly working for them.

Yes, but Republicans hate the same people white rural Alabamians hate.

EDIT: http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-defends-al-frankens-response-sex-assault-accusations-715946

Hillary Clinton: Defends Al Franken, condemns Roy Moore.

Donald Trump: Defends (or stays silent on) Roy Moore, condemns Al Franken.

How about this: Franken leaves the Senate, Moore quits the race.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on November 21, 2017, 12:06:32 pm
Didn't the GOP already come out to back Moore (after previously trying to gain distance from him) because they need a majority to pass the tax cuts?
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on November 21, 2017, 12:58:17 pm
I know the Trump administration is I don't know if every Republican Senator is.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on November 25, 2017, 07:44:12 am
(https://i.redditmedia.com/Pl-UB_U-XLMvwea3hYqWgf_dtCRLARhu5shq8Q9u0UM.jpg?w=1024&s=ee387fc2ae8e044e156cee23b24cef1d)

Once again Garrison makes a ridiculous cartoon. I'm too tired to point out all the stupidity in it.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 25, 2017, 08:23:23 am
Wait a sec...of what sex scandal was Biden a part?

Also, yes, because having oral sex with a consenting, adult intern (adultery notwithstanding) is worse than being a fucking kiddie-diddler.

...

Ya know what?  I say, let the alt-reich come to the defense and bleat over letting a pedophile walk.  Just keep reminding people that Roy Moore is a pedophile, and that those "people" helped set him free.  Anyone that's not an inbred fucktard ought to be outraged enough to turn on the dumb cunts.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on November 30, 2017, 05:26:13 am
Wait a sec...of what sex scandal was Biden a part?

Also, yes, because having oral sex with a consenting, adult intern (adultery notwithstanding) is worse than being a fucking kiddie-diddler.

...

Ya know what?  I say, let the alt-reich come to the defense and bleat over letting a pedophile walk.  Just keep reminding people that Roy Moore is a pedophile, and that those "people" helped set him free.  Anyone that's not an inbred fucktard ought to be outraged enough to turn on the dumb cunts.

I googled "Joe Biden Sex Scandal" and all I could find was stuff about how he didn't handle the Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill case very well
https://thelily.com/anita-hill-and-her-1991-congressional-defenders-to-joe-biden-you-were-part-of-the-problem-1b0a3a622186?gi=bebd21e3a506

So idk if this is a reference to that or Garrison is just being Garrison again and pulling stuff from his ass.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on November 30, 2017, 06:31:42 am
People have a list of photos with Biden and kids and they claim that the kids look nervous so this means that Biden is touching them inappropriately.

...Because it's impossible that kids would have any other reason to be nervous when they meet the VP of the country.

It's just a diversion tactic because of the Moore scandal. (They even go with "Moore hasn't been convicted of anything so I gues the presumption of innocence should be gone for libruls as well!" despite the fact that with Moore getting BANNED from malls and other places the case against him is a lot stronger than just some random allegations.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on November 30, 2017, 04:38:47 pm
So is that like a pizzagate thing then?
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Skybison on November 30, 2017, 05:45:23 pm
(https://i.redditmedia.com/Pl-UB_U-XLMvwea3hYqWgf_dtCRLARhu5shq8Q9u0UM.jpg?w=1024&s=ee387fc2ae8e044e156cee23b24cef1d)

Once again Garrison makes a ridiculous cartoon. I'm too tired to point out all the stupidity in it.

Even the other sexual harassers would rather hide in a swamp then be seen with Roy Moore, A Good Cartoon.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 06, 2017, 11:38:40 am
What's more important than pedophilia and attempted rape?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/roy-moore-abortion-republican-democrat-doug-jones-1.4434597

Quote
Suzanne Michelle can scarcely hold it in any longer when it comes to Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore. At her Friday Bible study social, the Alabama Democrat is so troubled by Moore's alleged sexual misconduct involving teen girls that she's taken to applying Jesus's teachings to today's politics.

Michelle, 34, wants to know how anyone, including right-leaning Christians she sometimes socializes with, can square the "biblical truths" by which they all abide with what she sees as a "single-issue voting population."

"From people who are friends of mine, who have different political ideologies, they hold matters of the soul in super-high regard. And they keep coming down hard on this one single issue," she said.

"The abortion issue."

Indeed, while the Dec. 12 special election pitting Moore against former prosecutor Doug Jones may be defined by sexual misconduct, its outcome could be decided by how willing Alabamians are to support a pro-choice candidate in Jones.

Abortion.

EDIT:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ4c7GXXkAEg_ML.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ4dIImXcAEZ8SV.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 12, 2017, 10:48:38 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politics/alabama-election-latest/index.html

JONES WINS BY 10K VOTES AGAINST THE PEDO
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Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 12, 2017, 10:55:58 pm
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G17/AL#S2_

The Green Papers has Jones up by around 8,300. (EDIT: As of when I wrote this initially. Now they have him up by almost 13,000.)

Unfortunately, this doesn't derail what I think McConnell's real agenda is: packing the federal judiciary with young right-wing lunatics. Unlike on health care, where he lost Collins, Murkowski, and McCain, and on taxes, where he's already lost Corker and now could lose someone like Heller who sees his seat being under serious threat, and might be willing to draw the ire of the donors if it allows him to keep his voters (he wouldn't have flipped when doing so pushed it from 51 to 50 plus Pence, because then it's a futile gesture), he's held his caucus on judgeships, and he can keep ramming them through with 51 votes as well as with 52.

Of course, there's also the danger that Robert Menendez will be convicted before Chris Christie leaves office, which would put the GOP back at 52 in the Senate, at least for a time.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on December 12, 2017, 11:22:24 pm
I wish people would stop calling him a pedophile. He's an ephebephile which is still wrong and against the law and its still sick to manipulate a teenage girl into non consensual sexual harassment. But he wasn't into little children.

With that being said. This is an exciting turn of events. I had little hope for Doug Jones, but the son of a bitch pulled it off.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 12, 2017, 11:49:16 pm
I wish people would stop calling him a pedophile. He's an ephebephile which is still wrong and against the law and its still sick to manipulate a teenage girl into non consensual sexual harassment. But he wasn't into little children.

With that being said. This is an exciting turn of events. I had little hope for Doug Jones, but the son of a bitch pulled it off.

She was under the age of consent (in Alabama, it's a strict liability offense according to my research, which means that you don't have the "I didn't know" defense) and he tried to get her to touch his penis.

Under the age of consent and attempting to do sexual acts equals pedophilia in my book.

But even without that, attempted rapist who left his victim by the side of the road and drove off after she fought him off.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: SCarpelan on December 13, 2017, 12:57:32 am
I wish people would stop calling him a pedophile. He's an ephebephile which is still wrong and against the law and its still sick to manipulate a teenage girl into non consensual sexual harassment. But he wasn't into little children.

With that being said. This is an exciting turn of events. I had little hope for Doug Jones, but the son of a bitch pulled it off.

The problematic terminology is because people use pedophilia as a synonym for sexual abuse of a child. Both pedophilia and ephebophilia are psychological disorders and not evil in themselves. The evil comes if the person embraces their disorder instead of seeking help and avoiding any tempting situations. Such a person is a child abuser no matter whether they are a pedophile or an ephebophile.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on December 13, 2017, 01:29:24 am
I don't know why people don't just call him a child molester.

Besides, "Uh, he's not a pedophile, he's an EEBEEHEEBIEPHILE ...You've probably never heard of it" defense is such a hipster move and doesn't really make it any less creepy. People just use it to defend child molesters in a "gotcha" type argument where they think that pointing out one mistake in the "opponent's" claims will discredit all of it.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on December 13, 2017, 01:32:10 am
 I'm well aware that it's a psychological disorder. Maybe I'm just being technical, with my terminologies. Whether you're a convicted pedo or ephebiphile is bad either way.

I'm not defending what he did at all.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Cloud3514 on December 13, 2017, 02:56:21 am
But hey, the asshole lost. Hopefully this is the last we see of him. I don't doubt that Doug Jones will be lucky to win reelection when his term is up, but at least for now the Democrats hold a seat in Alabama of all places.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on December 13, 2017, 03:26:23 am
Nearly 80% of white Alabamans voted for Moore, almost all of black Alabamans voted against him.

Even whether or not you want child molesters in the senate has become a racial issue in USA.

...I'm not sure how you managed to do that.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: SCarpelan on December 13, 2017, 05:29:10 am
Nearly 80% of white Alabamans voted for Moore, almost all of black Alabamans voted against him.

Even whether or not you want child molesters in the senate has become a racial issue in USA.

...I'm not sure how you managed to do that.

Because child molestation doesn't matter as much as race, abortion and blind political partisanship for the southern Republicans. No matter how disgusting a Republican is they will find a way to justify not voting for someone who doesn't share key identity issues like these. Christian forgiveness, slut shaming, conspiracy theories about media bias... whatever it takes.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on December 13, 2017, 03:27:26 pm
This is huge as Alabama is a red state.  It's so red, it was read as gospel that Moore was gonna get in, not be seated, and the Governor appoint Strange in.  The fact that Moore lost is troubling to the GOP and they're going to attempt to rail through as much as they can before the end of the year.

Ironbite-cause the writing is on the wall for the power players and it's all blue.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 13, 2017, 04:01:06 pm
I think that if Strange had won the primary, he'd be finishing out the term now. It took a lot for Moore to lose. (Also, I doubt Strange would have been reappointed to the seat after he was rejected in the primary. I'm sure Ivey could have found any number of other partisans who would vote exactly as the donors and evangelicals wanted.)

EDIT: Seen on the mainpage:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=135135

Quote
Tonight's results are clear - the people of Alabama deemed Roy Moore unfit to serve in the US Senate. I hope Senator-elect Doug Jones will do the right thing and truly represent Alabama by choosing to vote with the Senate Republican Majority.

Sen. Cory Gardner, chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee

(emphasis by mainpage submitter)

EDIT #2:

Quote
If he wants to get re-elected, he'll take Sen. Gardner's advice.

More likely he spends three years saying 'Fuck You' to Trump then goes and plays golf with Scott Walker on the taxpayers' dime via his lifetime Senate pension.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 14, 2017, 08:12:58 am
This report  (http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/exit-polls-show-white-women-backed-roy-moore-despite-child-molestation-allegations/news-story/a6487bc6a7a24bc58ea0ca8e726c45fe)says that nearly two thirds of white women voted for Moore, regardless of kiddy diddling and that white voters gave Moore 68 per cent of their vote and Jones 30 per cent.

I'm seeing echoes of the US 2016 Federal election, most white voters happily supporting a known sexual predator so long as he promises to keep those "other" folks down.

I think the lesson the GOP will take home from this will be "suppress moar black votes!"
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on December 14, 2017, 08:29:26 am
I think the lesson the GOP will take home from this will be "suppress moar black votes!"

Also: "Only use racist dog-whistle code. Don't actually say that you would like to legalize slavery."
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 14, 2017, 02:10:06 pm
This report  (http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/exit-polls-show-white-women-backed-roy-moore-despite-child-molestation-allegations/news-story/a6487bc6a7a24bc58ea0ca8e726c45fe)says that nearly two thirds of white women voted for Moore, regardless of kiddy diddling and that white voters gave Moore 68 per cent of their vote and Jones 30 per cent.

I'm seeing echoes of the US 2016 Federal election, most white voters happily supporting a known sexual predator so long as he promises to keep those "other" folks down.

I think the lesson the GOP will take home from this will be "suppress moar black votes!"

Is that 68 percent of white voters, or 68 percent of white people who voted?
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 14, 2017, 02:51:50 pm
This report  (http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/exit-polls-show-white-women-backed-roy-moore-despite-child-molestation-allegations/news-story/a6487bc6a7a24bc58ea0ca8e726c45fe)says that nearly two thirds of white women voted for Moore, regardless of kiddy diddling and that white voters gave Moore 68 per cent of their vote and Jones 30 per cent.

I'm seeing echoes of the US 2016 Federal election, most white voters happily supporting a known sexual predator so long as he promises to keep those "other" folks down.

I think the lesson the GOP will take home from this will be "suppress moar black votes!"

Is that 68 percent of white voters, or 68 percent of white people who voted?
(https://i.imgur.com/BFI7xKf.jpg) Source: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.25f3736b9d9b)
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 14, 2017, 10:50:12 pm
This report  (http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/exit-polls-show-white-women-backed-roy-moore-despite-child-molestation-allegations/news-story/a6487bc6a7a24bc58ea0ca8e726c45fe)says that nearly two thirds of white women voted for Moore, regardless of kiddy diddling and that white voters gave Moore 68 per cent of their vote and Jones 30 per cent.

I'm seeing echoes of the US 2016 Federal election, most white voters happily supporting a known sexual predator so long as he promises to keep those "other" folks down.

I think the lesson the GOP will take home from this will be "suppress moar black votes!"

Is that 68 percent of white voters, or 68 percent of white people who voted?
(https://i.imgur.com/BFI7xKf.jpg) Source: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.25f3736b9d9b)

Thanks, but I'd like to see the raw numbers and compare them to previous years. I have a hunch that a lot of white voters might've stayed home this election.

Edit: Looks like I was right (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/upshot/alabama-turnout-republican-problem.html). Given Jones' status as a hero of the civil rights era, it makes sense that Alabama's black population turned out in droves to support him. As for Moore, he was a turnoff to many less extreme right-wingers even ignoring the pedophilia allegations.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 15, 2017, 12:04:58 am
Yeah, can't bring themselves to vote for the menace of the mall-commendable.
Can't bring themselves to vote for that civil rights lawyer either, hmmm!
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Skybison on December 15, 2017, 12:51:50 am
Speaking as a white guy, what the fuck is wrong with you white guys???

(https://i.redditmedia.com/Pl-UB_U-XLMvwea3hYqWgf_dtCRLARhu5shq8Q9u0UM.jpg?w=1024&s=ee387fc2ae8e044e156cee23b24cef1d)

Once again Garrison makes a ridiculous cartoon. I'm too tired to point out all the stupidity in it.
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/b41577a9f12fd74b8ece2f9bd0130ebd/tumblr_p0xcgmrFxn1rr5t33o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 15, 2017, 03:18:00 am
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Once again Garrison makes a ridiculous cartoon. I'm too tired to point out all the stupidity in it.

Just like the Titanic, Roy Moore also was declared 'unsinkable', an automatic victory for the GOP, and just like the Titanic, he sank in the end. A good cartoon.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Askold on December 15, 2017, 03:19:33 am
It's not over until he admits defeat. He can still cause some trouble refusing to concede and ...I dunno, promoting an armed uprising to make him the senator?
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on December 15, 2017, 10:16:34 am
Here's the thing.  He doesn't get an automatic recount as that's the only way he'd be able to get in.  Cause recounts.  With the margin being more then .5%, he'll have to pay for the recount with his own money.

Ironbite-and the deadline for that is fast approching.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 15, 2017, 11:57:17 am
Here's the thing.  He doesn't get an automatic recount as that's the only way he'd be able to get in.  Cause recounts.  With the margin being more then .5%, he'll have to pay for the recount with his own money.

Ironbite-and the deadline for that is fast approching.

We'll see if he files for a recount, but I bet the RNC and NRSC will foot the bill if he does.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on December 15, 2017, 01:38:50 pm
Apparently Trump and Bannon are telling him to concede.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 15, 2017, 02:58:35 pm
Apparently Trump and Bannon are telling him to concede.

Probably because they've got the votes to get the tax bill through the Senate and don't need to hang onto Strange as long as possible.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 16, 2017, 05:16:26 am
What I want to know is why they went with Moore. Even putting the child molestation thing aside this is a dude who was kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court for being too much of a fundie. Twice. Who looked at his record and thought "Eeyup, this looks like a man fit to be in gubmint" anyway?
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: niam2023 on December 16, 2017, 05:32:07 am
This is a man even the National Review is sick to death of.

The National Review is a paramount conservative oriented site and paper. When even they are done with you...
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 16, 2017, 05:49:22 am
The National Review at least has standards. They seem a bit more on the pragmatic side of the right than the fundie side from what I've read about them.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: niam2023 on December 16, 2017, 06:14:08 am
It seems they've encountered some division themselves; internally there seems to be a Buckley Camp (attempting with limited success to be more pragmatic and forward minded [the author of the Moore article even expressing anger and disappointment about Moore whinging about "Sodomy"]), with others being in Camp Tea.

But even then, they're not one of the alt-right blogs, and quite accurately described what Trump turned out to be.

Kind of reads like the last of the respectable conservatives fighting a steadily rising tide.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 16, 2017, 04:03:13 pm
What I want to know is why they went with Moore. Even putting the child molestation thing aside this is a dude who was kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court for being too much of a fundie. Twice. Who looked at his record and thought "Eeyup, this looks like a man fit to be in gubmint" anyway?

He hates the same people Alabama Republican primary voters hate.

EDIT: Or, "Don't read too much into [Trump's victory]. People are just voting for the craziest motherfucker out there now."
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Skybison on December 19, 2017, 02:44:46 am
Jesus Fucking Christ dude, you lost get the fuck over it.

Moore sets up ‘election integrity fund’ to probe voter fraud claims (http://www.rt.com/usa/413458-roy-moore-integrity-fund/)
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on December 19, 2017, 03:03:07 am
Because it obviously has to be voter fraud and can't possibly be due to his terrible moral character.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on December 19, 2017, 03:14:46 pm
He's never gonna let this go is he?
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 19, 2017, 03:57:18 pm
He's never gonna let this go is he?

Nope.

Remember, Alabama's not supposed to have Democratic Senators, so something fishy must've gone on.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Stormwarden on December 23, 2017, 01:10:55 pm
No, but Alabama's about to force the issue.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-senate/alabama-to-certify-democrat-jones-winner-of-senate-election-idUSKBN1EG2C1

They're doing a meeting to certify it.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on December 24, 2017, 05:19:37 am
So, I'm no expert on Alabama law, but I'm guessing once they certify Jones that mean Moore won't be allowed to try for a recount.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 24, 2017, 01:55:50 pm
So, I'm no expert on Alabama law, but I'm guessing once they certify Jones that mean Moore won't be allowed to try for a recount.

He might be able to challenge the certification in court.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on December 24, 2017, 03:19:27 pm
He probably will.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Dappler on December 26, 2017, 09:46:26 am
I'm still a bit disappointed no one could get close enough to him in the run up to ask him a simple question.

Roy, you've been DA, blah, blah, elected judge twice(? - not going to pull his dumbass bio) blah, blah, and are now running for legislature, where you will get to create and pass laws in the greatest nation the world has ever seen. What is your (learned?) opinion on 16 being the age of consent in Alabama?

Learned is probably laying it on a little thick, even though the hyperbole of the greatest nation the world has ever seen you could probably get away with, even as it undermines MAGA by appealing to jingoism. Basically get his attention for 30 seconds or more with the puff bio before sinking the boot in.

Say it's good and everyone thinks of the 14yr old, and you're also arming your foes for future battles. Argue or equivocate or pettifog or dodge, and look like at best a DIRTY old man who likes vulnerable barely pubescent children who don't have the self esteem to say "fuck off perv", or "I'm calling the cops".

It also lays the door open for a follow up question.

Do you believe that there should be a statute of limitations for statutory rape?

Even if he says no, or goes off on a tangent, there would've been a perfect opening for 1,000 discussion pieces.

The other possible first question could be about a federally consistent age of consent, which could be beautifully loaded if he starts mentioning numbers (or defending, or sounding dreamy about the lower ones), or talks about states rights (a massive dog whistle, which would be then associated with pedophilia), but it'd probably be an easier question to avoid, whereas Alabama and 16 really narrows the focus onto him and his 'alleged' actions...
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on December 26, 2017, 05:07:17 pm
I'd probably say "considered opinion" rather than "learned opinion".
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Dappler on December 28, 2017, 11:39:13 am
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/28/alabama-election-roy-moore-files-lawsuit-to-stop-doug-jones-certification (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/28/alabama-election-roy-moore-files-lawsuit-to-stop-doug-jones-certification)

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In the complaint, Moore’s attorneys noted the higher than expected turnout in the race, particularly in Jefferson County, and said Moore’s numbers were suspiciously low in about 20 Jefferson County precincts.

Gosh Roy, can you think of any other factors that might have noticeably suppressed Republican turnout, and elevated Democratic turnout? Heck, there was even an unprecedented number of write-ins (ignoring Murkowski in Alaska), how suspicious is that?

You suck!

Even 25% of blinkered, loyalist, fact-free Republicans could see it, and were prepared to admit it...
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on December 28, 2017, 12:03:52 pm
What a fucking baby ass sore loser.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on December 28, 2017, 07:01:11 pm
Doesn't matter anyways.  Alabama went ahead and certified the election.

Ironbite-Moore just had his dick cut off.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: Id82 on December 28, 2017, 09:35:58 pm
We haven't heard the last from Moore. Expect him to re run next time around.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: ironbite on December 28, 2017, 09:45:27 pm
Well there's speculation he'll run for governor in 2018.  Last time he did that, he lost and didn't concede there either.

Ironbite-man doesn't know how to lose gracefully.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on January 02, 2018, 07:32:43 pm
Seen on the mainpage:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=135661

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I'd rather have a pedophile in office rather than a democrat any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Pedophiles only screw kids while democrats screw everyone.

Excuse me while I find my vomit bag.
Title: Re: Sex Crime Allegations Against Roy Moore
Post by: dpareja on January 16, 2018, 06:29:34 pm
On another note, I wonder if Trump thought of making Roy Moore a federal judge. After all, he's Judge Roy Moore, he should be a judge. Tremendous.

But I wouldn't be surprised if someone talked Trump out of that since the GOP agenda right now is to pack the federal bench with young conservative lunatics, and that's the one place where Trump and the Senate GOP (read: McConnell) are absolutely in sync. (Or, rather, the one place where Trump is willing to take other people's advice.)