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Jesus: "I want you to kill all infidels."
« on: June 10, 2012, 08:56:12 pm »
At least according to a 5th graders art work.  Kid was supposed to create a poster recruiting soldiers for The Crusades as part of a history assignment.  And they fucking posted it in the hallway in a display case.  I don't think I would have given him a bad grade, however I personally in no way would have displayed it in a glass case.   

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The picture is on display in the lobby of Hamilton Elementary School in Central Fresno. It depicts Jesus with the caption, "I want you to kill all infidels." The term infidel comes from ancient history and was used to describe people who had no faith. The picture was created by a seventh grade student as part of a history assignment.

"The picture itself I feel goes against everything Christianity stands for."

In the picture, you can see a man wearing a Jesus name tag, with the caption, "I want you to kill all infidels." Below, the phrases: "meet me in Jerusalem" and "get a free ticket to heaven." The artwork is one of several drawings in a display case inside the main lobby at Hamilton Elementary.
 

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Re: Jesus: "I want you to kill all infidels."
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2012, 08:58:33 pm »
Meh it's for a history assignment and well that was what they used probably

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2012, 09:07:16 pm »
Sounds to me like it fits the assignment perfectly. I’m just curious as to the reason behind that assignment.
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Re: Jesus: "I want you to kill all infidels."
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2012, 09:10:47 pm »
We did similar things in school. My friends and I came up with a newspaper calling in support for child labour and conscription for the Crimean War.

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 09:16:35 pm »
We did something like this once for the Cultural Revolution in China.

Frankly that sort of work is stupid and time-wasting to begin with and shouldn't be given to children, but I don't think it should be put in a display case either unless all the students' finished products are being displayed. Once there was an art assignment in another class where you could make a poster with stamps or something, and one girl did a pro-life poster, which was posted in the hallway along with everyone else's work. It was stupid and trite, but I'm pretty sure living in the real world involves putting up with some stupid and trite people every so often.

If it was something that was downright hate speech like, "Christians are faggot Jew scum who will burn in hell with the towelheads, Heil Hitler," then obviously that can't be posted because it crosses the line from simply being a political or religious belief and into insulting another group of people.
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Re: Jesus: "I want you to kill all infidels."
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2012, 09:22:01 pm »


Frankly that sort of work is stupid and time-wasting to begin with and shouldn't be given to children, but I don't think it should be put in a display case either unless all the students' finished products are being displayed.

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Re: Jesus: "I want you to kill all infidels."
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2012, 10:14:26 pm »
So what exactly is stupid about this assignment? Would a one page essay be more to your liking?

The kids got a chance to creatively interpret their lessons and articulate them in a way that they may well lack the language and writing skills for, and this particular kid seems to have summed it up rather nicely (one might argue that it should have been someone wearing a pointy hat in the picture, but the pope is "officially" only the middle man). Art, and the process of creating it is a very important aspect of learning.

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2012, 10:43:14 pm »
Reading the context of the assignment, that was exceptionally spot on for a kid that young.  A few people just got butthurt over the fact that it wasn't showing the cushy soft side of Christianity.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2012, 10:44:00 pm »
So what exactly is stupid about this assignment? Would a one page essay be more to your liking?

The kids got a chance to creatively interpret their lessons and articulate them in a way that they may well lack the language and writing skills for, and this particular kid seems to have summed it up rather nicely (one might argue that it should have been someone wearing a pointy hat in the picture, but the pope is "officially" only the middle man). Art, and the process of creating it is a very important aspect of learning.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2012, 11:58:38 pm »
My English teacher had us read four short stories, all sharing the same theme of "outsiders." For each of them, she wanted us to make a collage to articulate the social boundaries in the story as well as its meaning. Why she could not stop with the analysis questions she had us answer, I have no idea. But it has left a very bad taste in my mouth when it comes to using art as "creative expression" for non-art subjects. I had some assignments like this before in history, and everyone found out that it was basically an easy A for all but the laziest students. You didn't have to understand history at all, you just had to look like you got the gist of it, and put it on your poster or picture or fingerpainting or whathaveyou. I believe that there should be more art courses in school, but using art to gauge students' comprehension of a concept is much less accurate than tests and quizzes. If the kids don't have the language skills (language disabilities notwithstanding), then history class is a good place to hone them, because they're going to need it for the rest of their life. (I don't think that history teachers should expect War and Peace or be total grammarians, though.) But yeah, I'm pretty unimpressed with teachers forcing the part of the class that actually has reading comprehension skills to participate in what is essentially meaningless busy work for them, just because some kids "need an opportunity to show their learning creatively."

At most, I'd give them a set of questions to answer (that is, the baseline of what they need to know), and let them answer in writing, pictures, or both, as long as it makes sense.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 12:05:54 am »
I had a similar assignment in middle school - a recruiting poster for one side or the other of the English Civil War.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 12:07:53 am »
I had a similar assignment in middle school - a recruiting poster for one side or the other of the English Civil War.
I had one of those for the 100 Years War back in high school.

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Re: Jesus: "I want you to kill all infidels."
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 02:05:45 am »
That would have been a great idea for French Class.

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2012, 03:37:41 am »
My English teacher had us read four short stories, all sharing the same theme of "outsiders." For each of them, she wanted us to make a collage to articulate the social boundaries in the story as well as its meaning. Why she could not stop with the analysis questions she had us answer, I have no idea. But it has left a very bad taste in my mouth when it comes to using art as "creative expression" for non-art subjects. I had some assignments like this before in history, and everyone found out that it was basically an easy A for all but the laziest students. You didn't have to understand history at all, you just had to look like you got the gist of it, and put it on your poster or picture or fingerpainting or whathaveyou.

I understand your point, and you are essentially right.
However there is another side of this that you are not looking at. Your assessment is a very clinical look at education. However, children learn better when they are having fun or doing something creative instead of simply filling out essays and memorizing facts. A simple project like this could greatly help a number of visually focused children to remember the basics of the crusades far more effectively and for longer than writing an essay. There are many facets to education especially when it comes to educating young children.

Personally I think the kid did a pretty good job. The essential message is about right, although I would have deducted marks because it was more the churches power trip than Jesus telling them so that caused the crusades. However, the church itself basically used that exact message of Jesus telling them to go kill infidels so its mostly accurate. The controversy to me just seems to be people who got butt hurt over someone making a picture they don't like which makes them feel uncomfortable.

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 07:08:25 am »
My English teacher had us read four short stories, all sharing the same theme of "outsiders." For each of them, she wanted us to make a collage to articulate the social boundaries in the story as well as its meaning. Why she could not stop with the analysis questions she had us answer, I have no idea. But it has left a very bad taste in my mouth when it comes to using art as "creative expression" for non-art subjects. I had some assignments like this before in history, and everyone found out that it was basically an easy A for all but the laziest students. You didn't have to understand history at all, you just had to look like you got the gist of it, and put it on your poster or picture or fingerpainting or whathaveyou.

I understand your point, and you are essentially right.
However there is another side of this that you are not looking at. Your assessment is a very clinical look at education. However, children learn better when they are having fun or doing something creative instead of simply filling out essays and memorizing facts. A simple project like this could greatly help a number of visually focused children to remember the basics of the crusades far more effectively and for longer than writing an essay. There are many facets to education especially when it comes to educating young children.

Indeed. Many folks learn differently. You may have gotten more out of basic essays and quizzes. Other folks may have gotten more out of simply listening to the lesson. And others may have gotten more out of the poster.
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