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Report on CIA torture is now public
« on: December 09, 2014, 12:12:35 pm »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30401100

No real suprises, but the main points BBC mentions bring up a rather sad picture:
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    At no time did coercive interrogation techniques lead of collection of intelligence on imminent threats

    None of 20 cases of counterterrorism "successes" attributed to the techniques led to unique or otherwise unavailable intelligence

    The CIA misled politicians and public, giving inaccurate information to obtain approval for using techniques

    The CIA claimed falsely that no senators had objected to the programme.

    Management of the programme was deeply flawed, for example the operation of the second detention facility, known as COBALT

    At least 26 of 119 known detainees in custody during the life of the programme were wrongfully held, and many held for months longer than they should have been

    Aggressive techniques were used on suspects from the start, despite CIA claims that interrogations would begin with less coercive methods

    Methods included sleep deprivation for up to 180 hours, often standing or in painful positions

    Waterboarding was physically harmful to prisoners, causing convulsions and vomiting

So will this finally shut up those who keep claiming that the torture was necessary and lead to capturing Osama?
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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2014, 12:17:41 pm »
This is fucking sick!

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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 01:10:03 pm »
Torture didn't work?  Well, fuck me, its almost as if torture never fucking works or something.  They're just going to tell you the first thing they think of to make the pain stop.  Its unnecessary and barbaric.  Not to mention its supposed efficacy has been shattered by modern psychology.  But, hey, who listens to scientists, right?  I mean, we're still scared about nuclear power because a couple of morons who ought not to have operated anything more complex than a bag of crisps somehow found themselves in charge of a nuclear reactor and it, quite predictably, melted down.  Nearly 30 god damned years ago.
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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 02:37:11 pm »
"Torture has never been an effective means of extracting information, and is ultimately self-defeating as a means of control. one wonders why it is still practiced" -Captain Jean-Luc Picard

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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2014, 03:13:02 pm »
Because lashing out and hurting people feels good for some.  Its as simple as that.
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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2014, 03:28:59 pm »
*Waits for Obama to be blamed, even though it happened during Bush's presidency*
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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2014, 07:00:00 pm »
*Waits for Obama to be blamed, even though it happened during Bush's presidency*

Oh please - they call it Obama-boarding.

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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 07:01:48 pm »
Even if it started under Bush, Obama kept it going and punished whistleblowers.

Ironbite-yeah not a pass on this one.

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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 07:52:59 pm »
*Waits for Obama to be blamed, even though it happened during Bush's presidency*

Obama was more than happy to keep the torture train going, though.

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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 08:06:11 pm »
And Fox News just has a melt down. This is great stuff, man.

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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2014, 08:08:16 pm »
Bush started it, and Obama continued it, right up until he no longer could.
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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2014, 10:53:51 pm »
"There should be one primary rule in public policy as in medicine: First Do No Harm."

...So...DON'T invade countries for flimsy, made-up excuses or make torture your go-to method for interrogation?
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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2014, 03:02:44 am »
Wow, that fox news bit was painful to watch. I dont know why I did that to myself.

Are American's really fooled by the blatant and obvious deflections of questions like that. Its astounding.

Still, as nice as having this report out is, it really reveals nothing we didn't already know, and wont change anything. Its not like the people involved will be arrested for war crimes.

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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 03:11:16 am »
The CIA seem to be determined to be as sick a collection of fucks as possible.
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Re: Report on CIA torture is now public
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2014, 06:06:52 am »
Based on the comments the torture wasn't that bad because:

a) THE JEWSSS DID THIS!

b) It was ok because Russia.

c) Muslims also torture.

d) CIA was just defending usa BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY like they are supposed to.

e) There is no public outrage because the BLACKS have already filled the streets with their riots over the little things like police killing unarmed people and "us crackers" vote rather than chimp out.

EDIT: I am going to say that d at least is refreshingly honest in being openly evil. So many excuses around this subject but a few people honestly think that there is nothing wrong in torture if it is being done by their side.

Washington post had a nice comparison between this report and the testimony by the CIA director:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/cia-interrogation-report/hayden-testimony/
« Last Edit: December 10, 2014, 10:05:52 am by askold »
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