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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/us-cuba-relations.html?_r=0

Surprised this hasn't been done already. Nice to see a bit of old Cold War insanity start to melt away.


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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2014, 11:12:45 pm »
Yeah, I saw that earlier. I hope this will mean good things for Cuba.
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 11:23:58 pm »
Yeah, I saw that earlier. I hope this will mean good things for Cuba.

I hope so too.

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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2014, 02:11:57 am »
Russian trolls are going into panic mode over this and watching that has been amusing. (Turns out that this is a direct attack against Russia. Either because Murica is trying NOT to look like the cartoon villain it is or because this means that Murica is afraid that Russia will again bring nukes to Cuba...)

Other than that, this is good, the embargo has been silly for decades.
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2014, 03:31:25 am »
Well I wouldn't get your hopes up with the fuck you congress already making noise.

Cynically, I'd call this Obama's 2016 Florida gambit.

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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2014, 03:39:23 am »
I'd disagree with that. Most Cuban-Americans hate the Cuban government, so this won't win Obama and the Democratic Party any favors among them. If I remember correctly, they're the only minority in America that consistently supports the Republicans.
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2014, 04:57:01 am »
I assume it is because of their rabid detest for communism / anything that vaguely smells of it.

And in the process make themselves tools of a group who would love to make their own ideology reign supreme.
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2014, 10:56:31 am »
Mark Rubio is already screaming he won't let any progress be made on this front.

Ironbite-because apparently if you don't go in with bombs and tanks you're not actually spreading peace.

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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2014, 06:15:23 pm »
The reaction of Cuban-Americans may not be as cut-and dried as some think, at least according to sources like Reuters

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Some Cuban exiles responded with outrage. Others with ecstasy.

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The reaction in Florida, which is home to about 80 percent of the nation's Cuban-American population, reflects a generational shift in an exile community whose powerful political influence in the United States and steadfast support for the Republican Party helped keep U.S. sanctions on Cuba in place for decades.

But with President Barack Obama's vow to push for "an honest and serious debate" about lifting the United States' long-standing economic embargo against Cuba, many Cuban exiles welcomed the turn, seeing a chance for more engagement with the homeland they left behind.

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But the diehard anti-Castro generation is aging. And with many younger exiles having arrived since 1980 with no direct memories of life under Castro and many more Cuban-Americans born in the United States, there is a younger generation of Cuban-Americans that is more pragmatic and more influenced by the needs of relatives who remain in Cuba.

This is from Markos Moulitsas, owner of the progressive Daily Kos, so perhaps take it with a grain of salt should you be inclined:

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With news that the president has brokered detente with Cuba, expect the crazy right-wing Cuban-American community to lose its head. Marco Rubio has predictably lost his, but Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez's hissy fit this morning has proven that idiocy can certainly be a bipartisan affair.

But here's the thing—the Cuban-American community is not monolithically in favor of keeping the failed embargo strategy alive. Quite the opposite, in fact. The only people left supporting failure are the crusty old fucks who can't get past having lost the war half a century ago.

Every year, Florida International Univerisity polls the Cuban-American community in South Florida. And the results are quite clear:

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A slight majority of the Cuban-American community in Miami-Dade County opposes continuing the U.S. embargo of Cuba. Countywide, 52% of the respondents oppose continuing the embargo. This percentage rises among Cuban Americans ages 18-29, 62% of whom oppose continuing the embargo. Similarly, 58% of those arriving since 1995 oppose continuing the embargo.

In other words, like most Republican policies nowadays, the main supporters are aging away, while the younger generations favor a more pragmatic, less dogmatic, approach.

We'll see how this plays out, I guess.
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2014, 07:29:57 pm »
The poll quoted sure seems accurate to me. It really is a generational thing. People still escape Cuba and get refugee status here continuously. And the younger Cuban Americans are actually very concerned about the living conditions which family members back in Cuba deal with, although that in itself does not automatically mean they are against the embargo. I was disappointed in Rubio, because even for a Republican shill, that freakout was showing a very cold shoulder against relatives that he knows are still alive back in Cuba, which is a shithole you would not condemn an enemy to live in.
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2014, 09:25:11 pm »
Mark Rubio is already screaming he won't let any progress be made on this front.

Ironbite-because apparently if you don't go in with bombs and tanks you're not actually spreading peace.

And now Rand Paul is openly mocking Mr. Rubio.

http://time.com/3642300/cuba-marco-rubio-rand-paul/

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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2014, 11:57:00 am »
Mark Rubio is already screaming he won't let any progress be made on this front.

Ironbite-because apparently if you don't go in with bombs and tanks you're not actually spreading peace.

And now Rand Paul is openly mocking Mr. Rubio.

http://time.com/3642300/cuba-marco-rubio-rand-paul/
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2014, 03:02:30 pm »
Mark Rubio is already screaming he won't let any progress be made on this front.

Ironbite-because apparently if you don't go in with bombs and tanks you're not actually spreading peace.

And now Rand Paul is openly mocking Mr. Rubio.

http://time.com/3642300/cuba-marco-rubio-rand-paul/
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His actions so far have been give-the-other-side-everything-it-wants. Somehow that doesn't strike me as a strategy worthy of a chess metaphor so much as Obama being as corrupted as the GOP.
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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2014, 06:42:32 pm »
Mark Rubio is already screaming he won't let any progress be made on this front.

Ironbite-because apparently if you don't go in with bombs and tanks you're not actually spreading peace.

And now Rand Paul is openly mocking Mr. Rubio.

http://time.com/3642300/cuba-marco-rubio-rand-paul/
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Do you ever get the feeling that playing a game of chess with Mr. Obama would be a very humbling experience?

His actions so far have been give-the-other-side-everything-it-wants. Somehow that doesn't strike me as a strategy worthy of a chess metaphor so much as Obama being as corrupted as the GOP.

Or more likely being corrupted by the party sponsors. Although "corrupted" implies that he was at some point not beholden to them during his presidency.

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Re: US opens diplomatic channels in Cuba for first time in over 50 years
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2014, 05:28:25 am »
Good. Long past time, too.
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