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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #180 on: July 07, 2013, 08:17:04 pm »
This is the beauty of implying a relationship but never dealing it out.

Since its implying, the queerbaiting goes into the imagination, and since its the imagination, its subjective and since its subjective its automatically bullshit. So its okay to "erase" the queerness.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #181 on: July 07, 2013, 08:37:46 pm »
But did the characters actually identify as gay? There's a difference between a show mocking how two straight people act like a gay couple and a show actually turning two legitimately gay characters straight.

Troy and Abed never self identified as gay. It was just very heavily implied. There are lists dedicated to all the "yeah, they're straight, uh huh" moments in the show because they're just so many of them.

Though, after thinking about it, I could see certain fans calling season four solely out for queer baiting. Some of the more obvious "guy love" moments happen after they've been given girlfriends. The second to last episode had a crazy quilt of destiny, it showed how their paths had crossed prior to the core seven characters becoming friends. Different characters start becoming mad because of the negative effect another group member had on their life. Shirley says someone ruined her marriage. Jeff claims it cost him his job. Troy's major complaint? Abed was out there somewhere and wasn't looking for him. Abed's girlfriend was also seen for exactly one episode and never mentioned again, as if she was just put there to drive home that the character is straight.

TL;DR I don't think it's erasing queer identity, but I see where some might think it.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #182 on: July 07, 2013, 09:09:03 pm »
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #183 on: July 07, 2013, 09:14:39 pm »
For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

Ever play Bully? Not only does it include the option to make out with boys for health boosts (though fewer boys than girls, which is demographically appropriate), but these are high school age kids. And there's no references to the characters' sexuality beyond that, to the point where anyone who didn't look it up beforehand likely wouldn't know it was even an option without trying.
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« Reply #184 on: July 07, 2013, 09:16:26 pm »
Well Bully's not exactly RPG enough for me.  Though it is a game I've been curious about so... eh.

I've never played it, though
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #185 on: July 07, 2013, 09:18:47 pm »
Well Bully's not exactly RPG enough for me.  Though it is a game I've been curious about so... eh.

I've never played it, though

I'd give it a try. It's old (even the HD re-release is still almost identical, but has some more bugs), but it's a very interesting game and a fun thing to play through. And it's got the usual Rockstar quality, including great voice acting.

And literally every single character is unique. It means the population of the school and town is smaller than normal, but there's no repetition of characters (though they may seem to teleport) and they don't generate generic NPCs to fill up space.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #186 on: July 07, 2013, 09:38:12 pm »
For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #187 on: July 07, 2013, 09:38:39 pm »
Bully can best be described as "GTA at a boarding school and the surrounding area"
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #188 on: July 07, 2013, 09:39:37 pm »
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

There's hope, with Harmon back at the writers' table, that they'll resolve it in a better way.

Modern Family is doing the best job of portraying a normalish gay couple. Though there's still much to be desired. They're almost completely focused on their daughter and don't get much couple time.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #189 on: July 07, 2013, 11:06:35 pm »


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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #190 on: July 07, 2013, 11:34:52 pm »
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« Reply #191 on: July 08, 2013, 02:03:54 am »
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

How about Dragon Age? You can romance Zevran, Anders, or Fenris as a male. Mass Effect 3 went the next step and had a male character you can ONLY romance if you're male (Steve Cortez, the shuttle pilot).
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #192 on: July 08, 2013, 02:11:04 am »
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

How about Dragon Age? You can romance Zevran, Anders, or Fenris as a male. Mass Effect 3 went the next step and had a male character you can ONLY romance if you're male (Steve Cortez, the shuttle pilot).

I was actually talking about Dragon Age with the last sentence of my post there.  I'm not a fan of Zevran.

Dragon Age 2... Anders and Fenris are both good choices (I've even heard that Fenris was written specifically with a gay romance in mind) but I don't own Dragon Age 2.  I've played the demo, and I'm actually really sick of all the hate DA2 gets for being different from DA1 (even though, IMO, DA2's gameplay blows DA1's out of the water.  But then, people love DA1 because it reminds them of their precious Baldur's Gate series)
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #193 on: July 08, 2013, 06:38:58 am »
Hrm. Mass Effect 3 also gives you Kaidan for a bisexual option. But man have I seen a lot of fetishizing homosexuals come from MShenko.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #194 on: July 08, 2013, 07:22:54 am »
Hrm. Mass Effect 3 also gives you Kaidan for a bisexual option. But man have I seen a lot of fetishizing homosexuals come from MShenko.

I wonder if I am the only person who is mildly pissed that Kaidan went from being a military veteran with a pessimistic understanding to how the world works into being a whiny overly emotional looser in the 3rd game.

I got the feeling that was for the new bi-sexual relationship options, but it was a serious turn off for me as a female player. It left me feeling like they were going for the effeminate gay stereotype and it bugged me.

Of course I could have misinterpreted it.