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Title: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 05, 2012, 10:50:25 am
TL;DR a Democrat plays WOW, Republicans attack her for it (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19842704)
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Post by: Art Vandelay on October 05, 2012, 10:54:27 am
Show of hands, who here is not even remotely surprised?
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Post by: Kain on October 05, 2012, 11:05:37 am
Show of hands, who here is not even remotely surprised?

Yo.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on October 05, 2012, 01:24:59 pm
Show of hands, who here is not even remotely surprised?

Yo.
*raises hand*
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Mechtaur on October 05, 2012, 01:36:54 pm
*Raises hand*

I'm mostly not surprised because one of the other threads already has some images over this. xD
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 05, 2012, 03:49:40 pm
Wait, this is, in fact, a recent thing?

Well.  That's surprising.  The recentness, not the fact that this happened.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Meshakhad on October 05, 2012, 05:02:31 pm
Dear Republicans,

Back down now. I'm warning you. If you keep at it, you will piss off the entire gaming community. There are a lot of us, and we have money. Hell, we even have our own lobbyists! Also, according to your own psychologists, we are very prone to violence. So unless you want to get fragged, get the hell out.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: RinellaWasHere on October 05, 2012, 05:16:12 pm
"Orc assassination rogue"

Jesus, at least get terms right.

Wo cares? She plays video games. That doesn't make her a child.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: ironbite on October 05, 2012, 06:12:29 pm
BUT THAT MAKES HER UNFIT FOR OFFICE!  DON'T YOU SEE!?

Ironbite-congrats on losing the youth vote though.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: starseeker on October 05, 2012, 06:14:25 pm
So she has experience at getting people with wildly disparate aims and ideas to work together long enough to acheive a goal and not completely fall into disarray arguing over who gets the results. In other words, perfect for politics.
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Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 05, 2012, 08:26:59 pm
So she has experience at getting people with wildly disparate aims and ideas to work together long enough to acheive a goal and not completely fall into disarray arguing over who gets the results. In other words, perfect for politics.

Or dickpunching Arthas, Deathwing/ insert big bad of the current expansion here.  Can't forget about that.  Raid leading is herding fucking cats, and I say this as a raider.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: niam2023 on October 05, 2012, 09:40:30 pm
Well, now they're acting like high school bullies.

Nerd slamming, in a political race. It would appear the Republicans will not be satisfied with one set low.

If she made a comment on WoW saying the Lich King is a very bad man, the Republicans would most likely leap to his defense.
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Post by: JohnE on October 05, 2012, 09:48:02 pm
Does this mean the new political parties are going to be Horde and Alliance?
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 05, 2012, 09:55:35 pm
Does this mean the new political parties are going to be Horde and Alliance?

I'd totally vote Horde :V
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 05, 2012, 10:09:38 pm
Does this mean the new political parties are going to be Horde and Alliance?

I'd totally vote Horde :V

As long as we can lock Garrosh in a room with Varian and let them kill each other.  Vol'Jin 2012!
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: nickiknack on October 05, 2012, 11:14:44 pm
Now this is just plain stupid. That being said I guess it's a good thing I never intend to run for political office, especially considering my likes.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Yaezakura on October 05, 2012, 11:18:03 pm
...Is it wrong that on one level I agree with them, but for entirely different reasons?

I mean, she plays WoW. There are better options. It shows poor taste.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: syaoranvee on October 06, 2012, 12:14:40 am
Not really, everyone that I've talked to that say WoW sucks or anything like that will still concede that it has the best endgame of any MMO out there and for the majority, endgame is really all that matters to them.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 06, 2012, 12:19:21 am
Not really, everyone that I've talked to that say WoW sucks or anything like that will still concede that it has the best endgame of any MMO out there and for the majority, endgame is really all that matters to them.

Huh, interesting...

WoW has an interesting thing going on with it.  Where a good deal of the fanbase is filled with immature brats... and a good deal of the haterbase makes that same fanbase look like well-adjusted, well-mannered individuals.
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Post by: syaoranvee on October 06, 2012, 12:24:25 am
Not really, everyone that I've talked to that say WoW sucks or anything like that will still concede that it has the best endgame of any MMO out there and for the majority, endgame is really all that matters to them.

Huh, interesting...

WoW has an interesting thing going on with it.  Where a good deal of the fanbase is filled with immature brats... and a good deal of the haterbase makes that same fanbase look like well-adjusted, well-mannered individuals.

Most of the people that I've seen that hate the game solely fall into the "Changed It Now It Sucks" trope that seems to plague online gaming.  Specifically toward the 3rd expansion Cataclysm which did change quite a few things. Although I've found a few that even knock 2nd expansion Wrath of the Lich King which the majority consider to be good.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 06, 2012, 12:36:59 am
I've noticed that the biggest complaint with the latest expansion tends to fall into two categories.

1. "They ripped off Kung Fu Panda and now they're even kiddier than normal!"
2. "Pandas!?  They're just blatantly pandering to little kids!"

Ignoring the fact that Pandaren predate Kung Fu Panda by about many years (and have, in fact, been requested by the fans for many many MANY years) , the core argument boils down to:

"The game has more colors than red, brown, and grit, and the style isn't realistic, therefore, it's immature and kiddy."

Ironically, people who complain about such things while praising games for having gore tend to be the kiddiest of them all....
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: SpaceProg on October 06, 2012, 12:57:17 am
I guess the natural world is OMGKIDDY too, as when I look out my window, I see more colors than red, brown, and grit... though I can't deny the presence of that lovely GA red clay...
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Yaezakura on October 06, 2012, 01:05:25 am
In general, I dislike WoW because by the time it tries anything, I've grown bored of it in other games. It never created a single new idea. All it did was take successful aspects of other products and polish them (which, admittedly, it did well).

I played a character up to 80 when that was the cap, and just... got bored. There was never really anything new or interesting in the game to hold my attention.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: ironbite on October 06, 2012, 12:06:08 pm
And that's fair.  But for some, it's interesting and holds their attention.  And can be a good stress relief.

Ironbite-but the fact that they're attacking her means they have nothing else to go on.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 07, 2012, 02:11:46 am
And that's fair.  But for some, it's interesting and holds their attention.  And can be a good stress relief.
That and a lot of people play MMOs for the social side of things rather than the oh so awesome gameplay. Even with a bunch of better MMOs on the market, a lot of people will still get more enjoyment out of WoW because all their friends play it.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Veras on October 07, 2012, 03:06:11 am
Why should I try to express my opinion when an NFL punter has already done so more wonderfully than I ever could (and in fewer than 140 characters, no less)?

(http://i.imgur.com/4kyvp.png)
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 07, 2012, 04:18:31 am
And that's fair.  But for some, it's interesting and holds their attention.  And can be a good stress relief.
That and a lot of people play MMOs for the social side of things rather than the oh so awesome gameplay. Even with a bunch of better MMOs on the market, a lot of people will still get more enjoyment out of WoW because all their friends play it.

Hell, I just like having a chatbox most of the time.  Most of the people who play any game are generally immature idiots, but at least it's almost as entertaining as the actual gameplay.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Sylvana on October 08, 2012, 07:09:48 am
I don't know about you all, but finding out my politicians play online games would probably encourage me to vote for them. At least that way if they do something that pisses me off I can PK them one evening in an impotent form of revenge.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: dietcokewithlemon on October 08, 2012, 09:22:12 am
As an ultra-liberal professional C++/Java programmer and games fanatic I am slightly amused by this story and its reaction. On the one hand the republicans are being the usual 'we hate everything' dicks they usually are but lots of online gamers seem to think this is some kind of big deal. This woman has the right to play WoW as much as she wants, and the Republicans have the right to criticise her for it, but lets not pretend that spending 20+ hours a week running around a fantasy world is anything but a total waste of time. Its not character building and its not productivel. No one over the age of 14 should ever claim to be a level 50 elf in any situation ever. Keep it to yourself.

Everyone I have ever met who plays World of Warcraft is a sad loser. Sorry. Usually with a weight problem. Sorry. Online gamers are odd. I play games to AVOID social interaction. If I want to communicate with real people I switch the machine off and leave the house - or speak to my wife. My current hobbies are smoking weed, watching girl on girl porn and playing Borderlands 2. All three I enjoy in private with the curtains closed. Two of them I share with my partner. None of them benefit the human race in any meaningful way.

Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Askold on October 08, 2012, 10:01:07 am
...uhhh...


Some of us have friends who we talk to online. In fact we might have met them trhough a computer game or a chatroom or something and not even have seen them in real life, but still consider them to be friends. I don't know if playing with your friends is any more "productive" than, say drinking with your friends at a bar, but both are social interaction so I don't think they are completely useless. And as for playing being "useless" what about watching TV, reading books or going to movies? Do all of our actions have to accomplish something? Aren't we allowed to have some free time?

And why should we keep it a secret that we play games? It is a hobby and it can either be a "social hobby" that you do with friends (and the occasional assholes and trolls you met in the interwebs) or you can play alone, but why sould either of them be kept a secret? I don't see anything shameful in such a hobby.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: erictheblue on October 08, 2012, 10:06:36 am
None of them benefit the human race in any meaningful way.

But that should not be the basis on which we judge politicians (or anyone). If she sat at church for 4 hours a day, she would be getting praised. But sitting at church does nothing to help the human race. And people can be just as fat sitting in a pew as they can be sitting at a computer.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 08, 2012, 10:30:15 am
Everyone I have ever met who plays World of Warcraft is a sad loser. Sorry. Usually with a weight problem. Sorry. Online gamers are odd. I play games to AVOID social interaction. If I want to communicate with real people I switch the machine off and leave the house - or speak to my wife. My current hobbies are smoking weed, watching girl on girl porn and playing Borderlands 2. All three I enjoy in private with the curtains closed. Two of them I share with my partner. None of them benefit the human race in any meaningful way.
You're either a mediocre troll, or a colossal fucking moron. Either way it's the same thing in practise.
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Post by: rookie on October 08, 2012, 10:37:34 am
As an ultra-liberal professional C++/Java programmer and games fanatic...

Everyone I have ever met who plays World of Warcraft is a sad loser. Sorry. Usually with a weight problem. Sorry. Online gamers are odd.

Damn. It's a good thing you came here and told us that. You know, because most of us here are unable to form opinions of our own about both people and activities. A little while ago, I met someone who plays online games. I thought he was a decent enough person to hang out with sometime. Whew. Almost made a huge mistake there. Thanks. And being you're a ultra liberal programmer and self admitted gamer, it means your opinions are really facts in disguise.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Distind on October 08, 2012, 11:18:06 am
Most of the people that I've seen that hate the game solely fall into the "Changed It Now It Sucks" trope that seems to plague online gaming.
Just to buck trend, I played the beta. Though it sucked then, promptly moved on.

Though some of my friends used it as a IRC Subscription service with a graphical component for quite some time.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: tygerarmy on October 08, 2012, 03:27:11 pm
... but lets not pretend that spending 20+ hours a week running around a fantasy world is anything but a total waste of time. Its not character building and its not productivel. No one over the age of 14 should ever claim to be a level 50 elf in any situation ever. Keep it to yourself.
dietcoke, why does everything a person does have to be character building or productive?  If she puts in a full week at the office she can do whatever she wants, why should she have to keep it to herself?

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Everyone I have ever met who plays World of Warcraft is a sad loser. Sorry. Usually with a weight problem. Sorry. Online gamers are odd. I play games to AVOID social interaction. If I want to communicate with real people I switch the machine off and leave the house - or speak to my wife. My current hobbies are smoking weed, watching girl on girl porn and playing Borderlands 2. All three I enjoy in private with the curtains closed. Two of them I share with my partner. None of them benefit the human race in any meaningful way.

I currently don't play any online games, but I've logged many hundreds of hours into the Fallout and Elder Scroll games, and it's when I don't feel like communicating with real people and it helps me unwind and go to sleep.  As many people on this board can tell you, I'm an extrovert.  I'm at work 12-14 hours with a commute, at the gym for 2-3 hours and then out with friends at any chance I can get.  Do you consider work to be productive?  Even if it isn't furthering my life goals?  Is the gym productive?  Is hanging out with my friends, going to concerts, seeing stand-up or other shows productive?  Or all those things a waste of time.  I must know what should I be doing with my time?  Should I be posting generalizing comments about people who play video games on internet forums, would that be a better use of my time?

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Post by: JohnE on October 08, 2012, 04:29:03 pm
Just gonna chime in to say that while I don't current spend much time gaming, I've been a gamer all my life, played WoW for a time, and I really did have a level 50 elf. I am also married, a home-owner, have a good paying full time job, and while I could stand to lose a little weight, I'm far from the stereotypical fat gamer DietCoke seems to have in mind.

And y'know who plays online games a lot more than me? My dad, the PhD who just recently helped land a rover on Mars, and my brother, who has a successful career at an investment firm and a very active social life.

So yeah...
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 08, 2012, 05:15:21 pm
Fuck that shit.

Football is a waste of time, too, and yet more people boast more proudly about that than any nerd boasts about his high level character. 

But that's the point -- hobbies are for wasting time and having fun.  And fun can be shared.

Not every second of human existence needs to be spent furthering the entire human race.  Further, neither do hobbies need to be hidden away like some dark secret.

So you play games to get away from people.  Good for you.  On the other hand, believe it or not, some of us like talking while we play games, and believe it or not, not all friendships have to be in person.  Hell, the people here on FSTDT are some of my closest friends.

I'm a geek, I'm proud of it, and if you think I'm a loser, I got bad news for you bro.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: starseeker on October 08, 2012, 05:30:51 pm
*points to avatar*

As a WoW player my response to that is FUCK YOU.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Saturn500 on October 08, 2012, 05:36:34 pm
Yeah, seriously, please kindly Die In A Fire. Nah, that's a bit harsh. Look, how about you just GTFO?
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Sleepy on October 08, 2012, 06:05:03 pm
As an ultra-liberal professional C++/Java programmer and games fanatic I am slightly amused by this story and its reaction. On the one hand the republicans are being the usual 'we hate everything' dicks they usually are but lots of online gamers seem to think this is some kind of big deal. This woman has the right to play WoW as much as she wants, and the Republicans have the right to criticise her for it, but lets not pretend that spending 20+ hours a week running around a fantasy world is anything but a total waste of time. Its not character building and its not productivel. No one over the age of 14 should ever claim to be a level 50 elf in any situation ever. Keep it to yourself.

Everyone I have ever met who plays World of Warcraft is a sad loser. Sorry. Usually with a weight problem. Sorry. Online gamers are odd. I play games to AVOID social interaction. If I want to communicate with real people I switch the machine off and leave the house - or speak to my wife. My current hobbies are smoking weed, watching girl on girl porn and playing Borderlands 2. All three I enjoy in private with the curtains closed. Two of them I share with my partner. None of them benefit the human race in any meaningful way.

This guy has the right to play Borderlands as much as he wants, and the Republicans have the right to criticise him for it, but lets not pretend that spending 20+ hours a week running around Pandora is anything but a total waste of time. Its not character building and its not productivel. No one over the age of 14 should ever claim to be a proficient role-playing shooter in any situation ever. Keep it to yourself.

Everyone I have ever met who plays Borderlands is a sad loser. Sorry. Usually with a weight problem. Sorry.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Morgenleoht on October 08, 2012, 06:06:06 pm
Gamer here, though mostly single player RPGs. You know what? I actually made more friends from the fandoms of my favourite games than I did out of it.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: ironbite on October 08, 2012, 06:38:00 pm
If that was your debut there dietcoke, you really fell flat on your dick.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 08, 2012, 08:12:35 pm
Nah, I remember dietcoke.  Pain in the ass then, pain in the ass now.

Incinerate with napalm and move on.

*goes back to crushing Mantis motherfuckers in FTL*
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Sylvana on October 09, 2012, 03:45:17 am
I play a bit of wow. Personally I was one of those freaks who always wanted the pandarian race (mainly because I think they are funny and cute) I normally sub for a month or two a year, play my fill and then move on. When I feel like killing random critters in virtual fields I re-sub and play again.

Online games are what you make of them. Playing too much can be hazardous to your health, but the vast majority of gamers and even MMO players are normal well adjusted people, despite how much of an ass they are while online.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: tempus on October 10, 2012, 10:56:16 pm
(http://www.co-optimus.com/images/upload/image/2010/borderlands-scooter.jpg)

This is where the tards live!  GIT YOU ONE!
--Scooter, on the GOP
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: erictheblue on November 08, 2012, 12:28:33 pm
I hate to necro this thread, but wanted to add the conclusion...

She won. (http://www.odditycentral.com/news/wow-orc-assassin-wins-seat-in-us-senate.html#LfU4HtmYvOHUdIEu.01)

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“So I’m a level 68 orc rogue girl. That means I stab things…a lot! Who would have thought that a peace-lovin’, social worker and democrat would enjoy that?!” This was the statement that won World of Warcraft gamer Colleen Lachowicz a seat in Maine’s State Senate.

It just so happens that Colleen is an avid gamer who spends a lot of time playing the incredibly popular online multiplayer video-game World of Warcraft. In this fantasy universe she is known as Santiaga, a level 85 orc rogue assassin, who as the player herself admits, spends a lot of time stabbing things. Little did she know that her gaming antics would actually help her win a seat in the State Senate. Apparently, her Republican Party rivals thought it would be a good idea to set up a website portraying Lachowicz as someone with a “bizarre double life”, and making her look like a violent person by describing her in-game behavior. This uninspired smear campaign actually won Lachowicz international support from the gaming community and eventually helped her won the race for the Senate.

(snip)

Taking forum posts Lachowicz made on various World of Warcraft fan sites, Republicans questioned her maturity and ability to make rational decisions for the people of Senate District 25, as if someone’s actions in a video game can be used to characterize their real life. Luckily, the whole thing backfired and Santiaga gained even more support from fellow gamers, who actually donated money for her campaign. “It just really goes to show that I think those of us who do play games are eager for it not to be stereotyped anymore,” Colleen said about all the help she got from the gaming community.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: kefkaownsall on November 08, 2012, 01:04:17 pm
I guess the Alliance stayed home
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 08, 2012, 03:20:27 pm
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Taking forum posts Lachowicz made on various World of Warcraft fan sites, Republicans questioned her maturity and ability to make rational decisions for the people of Senate District 25, as if someone’s actions in a video game can be used to characterize their real life. Luckily, the whole thing backfired and Santiaga gained even more support from fellow gamers, who actually donated money for her campaign. “It just really goes to show that I think those of us who do play games are eager for it not to be stereotyped anymore,” Colleen said about all the help she got from the gaming community.

The moment a party makes gaming a negative political issue is the moment they lost the youth vote. In case they have not noticed, people have stopped using maypoles for entertainment purposes.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 09, 2012, 10:48:46 am
I guess the Alliance stayed home

The Alliance was a bunch of pussies cowering behind Varian Wrynn.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Mechtaur on November 09, 2012, 12:29:27 pm
I guess the Alliance stayed home

The Alliance was a bunch of pussies cowering behind Varian Wrynn.

You shut your mouth, (W)Horde scum.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Agni on November 09, 2012, 02:30:07 pm
I think this little debacle is proof the ugly truth behind the Republican party; they know their positoons can't be backed up most of the time, so they have to resort to slandering the opposition. Rarely do they criticize the oppositions beliefs: they just slander some completely unrelated thing about them.

They're an entire party of mudslinging idiots.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 16, 2012, 02:08:13 pm
I guess the Alliance stayed home

The Alliance was a bunch of pussies cowering behind Varian Wrynn.

You shut your mouth, (W)Horde scum.

Don't make me come over there, Alliance filth! I've got some shiny new axes that could use a fresh coat of blood!
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: rookie on November 16, 2012, 02:34:48 pm

The moment a party makes gaming a negative political issue is the moment they lost the youth vote.

Lol. Yeah, that's what lost Republicans the youth vote.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: RinellaWasHere on November 16, 2012, 03:25:50 pm
I guess the Alliance stayed home

The Alliance was a bunch of pussies cowering behind Varian Wrynn.

You shut your mouth, (W)Horde scum.

Don't make me come over there, Alliance filth! I've got some shiny new axes that could use a fresh coat of blood!

Threats with axes. Typical Hordling.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Sour Grapes on November 16, 2012, 04:39:56 pm
I've got blasters.  Fie on you both.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: Material Defender on November 16, 2012, 05:05:57 pm
I guess the Alliance stayed home

The Alliance was a bunch of pussies cowering behind Varian Wrynn.

You shut your mouth, (W)Horde scum.

Don't make me come over there, Alliance filth! I've got some shiny new axes that could use a fresh coat of blood!

The Holy Light Says no.
Title: Re: "World of Warcraft hobby sparks US political row"
Post by: starseeker on November 16, 2012, 05:17:48 pm
*summons Fire Elemental*
*watches Fire Elemental ignore the fight and go and pull a completely different set of mobs*
*sighs and checks if Ankh is off CD*