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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 05:31:54 pm »
Really though, this shit could've all been avoided if the clergy weren't forced into celibacy all the bloody time, IMO.

If you're made to repress your sexuality for that long (whatever it may be), bad things happen, to put it mildly. This stuff is just one manifestation of that.

He's still an absolute fuckhead, however.
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 05:33:24 pm »
Really? I'm not that angry just because this is so retarded.

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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 05:35:21 pm »
Funny, that's exactly what the more malicious pedophiles say.
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 05:52:24 pm »
Dear Pope Benedict,

You now have an opportunity to restore the honor of the Catholic Church:

1. Recall this man to Rome.
2. Burn him at the stake in St. Peter's Square.
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2012, 06:37:02 pm »
How desperate to justify your behavior do you have to be to come up with shit like this?
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 07:10:38 pm »
Really though, this shit could've all been avoided if the clergy weren't forced into celibacy all the bloody time, IMO.

If you're made to repress your sexuality for that long (whatever it may be), bad things happen, to put it mildly. This stuff is just one manifestation of that.

He's still an absolute fuckhead, however.

I used to think this same thing myself, but over the years I've changed my opinion.

Yes, doubtless being forced to live your life in denial of your sexual needs could lead to any number of psychological problems. BUT!! People do not just 'become' pedophiles or rapists because they're not allowed to get laid--not if there isn't some preexisting mental problem at work, which could manifest or not manifest regardless of the person's living circumstances. Pedophiles and rapists and child-molesters exist everywhere and there isn't anything special about a celibate priesthood that attracts them.

I believe there are two problems at work here.

First of all, nobody really actually LIKES the idea of living celibate--a mandate the early Church put in place because it didn't want to have to pay to support the wives and children of its clergymen, and not because it thought there was anything special about not fucking. Not many people see 'NO SEX EVER!!' as a perk of joining the ranks of the Catholic clergy. Naturally, this makes the pool of applicants shrink pretty dramatically; in turn, the Church has little choice (other than, I dunno, maybe joining the 21st century and changing their rules) but to accept applicants who have a history of abusing others or show a predisposition to committing sexual assault. The Church isn't UNAWARE of their priests negative traits--they're just willing to overlook it rather than changing their rules.

The second problem is self-perpetuating. The sex scandals have only come to light in the last twenty or so years but they've been going on for at least the last century at the very least. Word gets around and at some point it became clear that the Vatican was willing to shield sexual predators without punishing them--making the priesthood an appealing choice to the kind of sick fucks who sexually prey on children or any subordinate. (The congregation is 'spiritually' subordinate to the priest, remember.) The more the priests committed these acts, the more the Church worked to shield them; and the more the Church worked to shield them, the more obvious it became that they were willing to do whatever it took; and the more they showed that willingness, the more appealing the Church became to people who wanted to sexually assault people.

The priesthood isn't by itself 'making' people into pedophiles by forcing them into celibacy--rather, the forced celibacy makes the priesthood an unattractive option to enough people that the Vatican has to ordain anybody who applies and turn a blind eye to the dangers.

I'm not saying teh church is innocent in all this--they're as red-handed as possible. They just brought it upon themselves with their enormous efforts to cover up crimes AND their refusal to change their rules to better suit modern needs.
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 07:18:45 pm »
I used to think this same thing myself, but over the years I've changed my opinion.

Yes, doubtless being forced to live your life in denial of your sexual needs could lead to any number of psychological problems. BUT!! People do not just 'become' pedophiles or rapists because they're not allowed to get laid--not if there isn't some preexisting mental problem at work, which could manifest or not manifest regardless of the person's living circumstances. Pedophiles and rapists and child-molesters exist everywhere and there isn't anything special about a celibate priesthood that attracts them.

I believe there are two problems at work here.

First of all, nobody really actually LIKES the idea of living celibate--a mandate the early Church put in place because it didn't want to have to pay to support the wives and children of its clergymen, and not because it thought there was anything special about not fucking. Not many people see 'NO SEX EVER!!' as a perk of joining the ranks of the Catholic clergy. Naturally, this makes the pool of applicants shrink pretty dramatically; in turn, the Church has little choice (other than, I dunno, maybe joining the 21st century and changing their rules) but to accept applicants who have a history of abusing others or show a predisposition to committing sexual assault. The Church isn't UNAWARE of their priests negative traits--they're just willing to overlook it rather than changing their rules.

The second problem is self-perpetuating. The sex scandals have only come to light in the last twenty or so years but they've been going on for at least the last century at the very least. Word gets around and at some point it became clear that the Vatican was willing to shield sexual predators without punishing them--making the priesthood an appealing choice to the kind of sick fucks who sexually prey on children or any subordinate. (The congregation is 'spiritually' subordinate to the priest, remember.) The more the priests committed these acts, the more the Church worked to shield them; and the more the Church worked to shield them, the more obvious it became that they were willing to do whatever it took; and the more they showed that willingness, the more appealing the Church became to people who wanted to sexually assault people.

The priesthood isn't by itself 'making' people into pedophiles by forcing them into celibacy--rather, the forced celibacy makes the priesthood an unattractive option to enough people that the Vatican has to ordain anybody who applies and turn a blind eye to the dangers.

I'm not saying teh church is innocent in all this--they're as red-handed as possible. They just brought it upon themselves with their enormous efforts to cover up crimes AND their refusal to change their rules to better suit modern needs.

Touché.

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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 07:52:16 pm »
This would probably be a bad time to admit that upon seeing the Doctor my immediate first thought was enraged retaliation in Vatican City by a bunch of people yelling, "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" and wielding machine guns.

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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 07:55:27 pm »
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 08:03:26 pm »
Awesome! Nerd sex AND cross-species impregnation AND male pregnancy AND abortion AND sexuality other than the totally vanilla heteronormative kind.

We could piss off all the fundies in the world at once!

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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 08:12:11 pm »
Awesome! Nerd sex AND cross-species impregnation AND male pregnancy AND abortion AND sexuality other than the totally vanilla heteronormative kind.

We could piss off all the fundies in the world at once!

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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 08:13:19 pm »
Awesome! Nerd sex AND cross-species impregnation AND male pregnancy AND abortion AND sexuality other than the totally vanilla heteronormative kind.

We could piss off all the fundies in the world at once!

Unrelated: 'Inter-Species Iron Abortion' would be a good name for a rock band.

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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2012, 08:15:27 pm »
Awesome! Nerd sex AND cross-species impregnation AND male pregnancy AND abortion AND sexuality other than the totally vanilla heteronormative kind.

We could piss off all the fundies in the world at once!

Unrelated: 'Inter-Species Iron Abortion' would be a good name for a rock band.
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Re: Catholic Bishop: Children want to be molested
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2012, 08:31:24 pm »
I'd be ashamed if it didn't.