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RIP Aaron Swartz
« on: January 13, 2013, 03:58:45 am »
Two thoughts:

What an amazing person. Here's a list of some of the stuff he worked on, in the decade-and-a-bit he was active (he was 26).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/12/aaron-swartz-heroism-suicide1

"At the age of 14, Swartz played a key role in developing the RSS software that is still widely used to enable people to manage what they read on the internet. As a teenager, he also played a vital role in the creation of Reddit...

He became something of a legend in the internet and programming world before he was 18. His path to internet mogul status and the great riches it entails was clear, easy and virtually guaranteed: a path which so many other young internet entrepreneurs have found irresistible, monomaniacally devoting themselves to making more and more money long after they have more than they could ever hope to spend.

But rather obviously, Swartz had little interest in devoting his life to his own material enrichment, despite how easy it would have been for him. As Lessig wrote: "Aaron had literally done nothing in his life 'to make money' . . . Aaron was always and only working for (at least his conception of) the public good."

"...he committed himself to the causes in which he so passionately believed: internet freedom, civil liberties, making information and knowledge as available as possible. Here he is in his May, 2012 keynote address at the Freedom To Connect conference discussing the role he played in stopping SOPA, the movie-industry-demanded legislation that would have vested the government with dangerous censorship powers over the internet."

"In 2008, Swartz targeted Pacer, the online service that provides access to court documents for a per-page fee. What offended Swartz and others was that people were forced to pay for access to public court documents that were created at public expense. Along with a friend, Swartz created a program to download millions of those documents and then, as Doctorow wrote, "spent a small fortune fetching a titanic amount of data and putting it into the public domain." For that act of civil disobedience, he was investigated and harassed by the FBI, but never charged."

Second thought: The FBI should be ashamed. The prosecutor should be ashamed. The judge should be ashamed. MIT should be ashamed for not speaking up. Everyone involved in a legal system that would do this to someone- headhunt them, bully them into suicide for a laughable non-crime, or probably no crime at all- has blood on their hands. Fuck you all. I hope you die before you kill any other good people.

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http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/40347463044/prosecutor-as-bully

And, for once, the comments are worthy and often correct.

"Aaron, Manning, Assange, Kyriakoy, Occupy, all persecuted, hounded, some tortured. For what? For speaking truth to power, for revealing corruption, war crimes. For liberating information.

Meanwhile, Yoo, Addington, Libby, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales go around signing book covers and giving lectures about national security. The murderers, torturers and torture apologists are celebrated. The whistleblowers crushed."

Once again, the western system of law shows itself to be a bad joke. Lock up the people working to improve humanity; throw away the key. Pardons for the murderers and thieves, if they're even prosecuted at all.
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 01:20:18 pm »
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2013, 02:23:57 pm »
Fred, all I can say is I re-shout everything in your post. The world just lost a beautiful human being, because a bunch of the rest of us can't see past our own ugly, self interested ambitions. I hope the career of every single fuckwit who drove Aaron over the edge grinds to a halt. Think like a human being, not a fucking machine, people. Got it?
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2013, 06:12:11 pm »
Oh look, they're dropping the charges!

They already won. They can't really prosecute anymore, can they?
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2013, 06:19:42 pm »
Oh look, they're dropping the charges!

They already won. They can't really prosecute anymore, can they?

I know. How magnanimous of them.
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2013, 07:24:18 pm »
Am I the only one who is almost willing to bet that if he hadn't killed himself, these charges wouldn't be dropped?
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 07:58:05 pm »
As the mother of 2 boys aged 21 and 27, this entire travesty of a story makes me so angry and sad and frustrated.
My deepest condolences to his family, friends and co-workers.
Let us hope nothing like this ever happens again.

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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2013, 08:09:06 pm »
Am I the only one who is almost willing to bet that if he hadn't killed himself, these charges wouldn't be dropped?

No, you're not the only one.
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2013, 08:24:06 pm »
Am I the only one who is almost willing to bet that if he hadn't killed himself, these charges wouldn't be dropped?

They'd have gone after him until the day he died.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 10:37:25 am »
This is a petition to remove the person who was prosecuting him. JSTOR didn't want him to be prosecuted apparently.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck
I'd be more sympathetic if people here didn't act like they knew what they were saying when they were saying something very much wrong.

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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 03:57:56 pm »
As the mother of 2 boys aged 21 and 27, this entire travesty of a story makes me so angry and sad and frustrated.
My deepest condolences to his family, friends and co-workers.
Let us hope nothing like this ever happens again.
You missed the bit in the original link.

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To say that the DOJ's treatment of Swartz was excessive and vindictive is an extreme understatement. When I wrote about Swartz's plight last August, I wrote that he was "being prosecuted by the DOJ with obscene over-zealousness". Timothy Lee wrote the definitive article in 2011 explaining why, even if all the allegations in the indictment are true, the only real crime committed by Swartz was basic trespassing, for which people are punished, at most, with 30 days in jail and a $100 fine, about which Lee wrote: "That seems about right: if he's going to serve prison time, it should be measured in days rather than years."

Nobody knows for sure why federal prosecutors decided to pursue Swartz so vindictively, as though he had committed some sort of major crime that deserved many years in prison and financial ruin. Some theorized that the DOJ hated him for his serial activism and civil disobedience. Others speculated that, as Doctorow put it, "the feds were chasing down all the Cambridge hackers who had any connection to Bradley Manning in the hopes of turning one of them."

Glenn Greenwald writes some really good, thoughtful pieces.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/series/glenn-greenwald-security-liberty

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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2013, 07:30:31 pm »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/01/17/swartz-us-attorney.html

Apparently the case against Swartz was pursued "reasonably" and "appropriately".
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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2013, 11:40:32 pm »
It's heart-breaking that he committed suicide. I wish there was a loved one or somebody who helped him cope. Has it ever crossed his mind that if he killed himself, they would win? Why are are the activists and people who can change the world for good always successfully silenced? Can't they be more cautious or something...watch out for assassins, spies, interlopers & other goons?

I wonder if it was even a suicide.

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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2013, 07:59:02 am »
It was a suicide. What would the government gain from killing him?

The government (that's who I assume you mean by they) has in no way won from his suicide. The government has gotten a lot of flack for the method of prosecution they were attempting. Where the government seeks the maximum penalties the law allows in the hope that the defendant will plead guilty to a lesser charge. There's also been an outcry to get our laws modernized.

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Re: RIP Aaron Swartz
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2013, 07:43:05 pm »
The government creates a deterrence. That's what all law is for. They deterred people from opposing the very tight regulation of the internet.
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