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Not sure if we should start a "most idiotic article" found on the internet thread.
Maybe I am even alone for thinking this is deeply stupid.

But a friend has been showing me reason.com articles on FB and this one seemed particularly dumb.

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One of the more remarkable results of the rise of industrial capitalism was that, for the first time in human history, the poorest classes of people gained access to luxury goods. Another remarkable result was that wealthier people who claimed to be allies of the poor told them this was bad for them. Recent developments in American popular music demonstrate that this paradox lives on. Last Sunday night, Macklemore and Lorde, artists who have built their careers upon songs attacking the desire for luxuries among African-Americans, received the highest commendations from the music establishment in the form of multiple Grammy awards. Their songs continue a long tradition, rooted in progressivism, of protests against the pleasures of the poor.
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Like the early progressives, Macklemore believes he knows better than the poor what they should desire, buy, and value. And also like the progressives he believes that the highest value is found not in shopping malls but in places like museums:
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and apparently that's a bad thing.

http://reason.com/archives/2014/02/01/that-kind-of-luxe-just-aint-for-us-the-p

Maybe I 'm just missing the point and this article is actually sarcastic or a POE.
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2014, 11:11:30 pm »
I'm not entirely sure what to make of this.   :-\

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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2014, 11:15:58 pm »
I can SOMEWHAT see his point in that, rather than people being content to live as they wish and let others do the same, many are actively trying to influence other people's lifestyles.

There's an awful lot of hyperbolic strawmen to wade through to reach that conclusion, though.
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 12:30:04 am »
What the fuck did I just read. No, seriously, what was I supposed to take away from that? (Besides a vague sense of "I've written better essays in the study hall before sophomore English")
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 01:03:09 am »
I think I've slammed out more coherent and informative essays the night before they were due.
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 02:48:07 am »
I think I've slammed out more coherent and informative essays the night before they were due.

I KNOW I have!
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 04:01:39 pm »
Incoherent.
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 01:47:36 am »
Isn't part of the problem with society that the poor can only rarely buy luxuries and that the media's representation on it is to discourage the poor from investing all their energy and happiness in the pursuit of luxuries because they know that happiness does not lie there? Hence, happiness can be more easily obtained through knowledge and self growth for example going to a museum?

It really just sounds like the usual double speak of demonizing anything that is not 100% pro-capitalistic squander because poor people who dont spend their pocket change on products hurt the rich peoples profit margins.

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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 04:50:37 am »
I'm reminded of the Fox News 'report' that if you have a fridge (among other things), that you're not 'poor'.

Yes, because keeping food from spoiling means you're sleeping on piles of money.
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2014, 08:47:11 am »
Sounds like the "stuff" equivalent of "Clean your plate, there's starving people in Africa!".

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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2014, 11:16:34 am »
Again with Macklemoore?

His song Thrift Shop seemed to demonstrate the message that you could find nice things in a thrift shop, I don't get the problem with that.

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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2014, 12:50:59 pm »
The problem is that anything that doesn't dig you deeper into debt with the price obviously isn't worth having! Duh! [/sarcasm]
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 12:37:10 pm »
lol reason.com

That's a good one. 

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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 09:47:48 pm »
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One of the more remarkable results of the rise of industrial the kind of capitalism I hate and want to destroy was that, for the first time in human history, the poorest classes of people gained access to luxury goods.

Quite true! A very good reason why glibertarians are wrong to want to destroy it.

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Another remarkable result was that wealthier people who claimed to be allies of the poor told them this was bad for them.

Nope! The left is largely made up of the working class everywhere but the US (even in America trade unions used to have quite a lot of power in the left party). In Australia for instance, every left prime minister bar one started poor. Nor is it true that the left "tells" the poor that "what they wanted" was "bad for them". That's just bullshit.

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Last Sunday night, Macklemore and Lorde, artists who have built their careers upon songs attacking the desire for luxuries among African-Americans

A deliberate misunderstanding of their music.

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Their songs continue a long tradition, rooted in progressivism, of protests against the pleasures of the poor.

Pleasures like "lack of representation in government". Or "low wages". "Crap and dangerous working conditions". "Death". "No access to medicine". Some pleasure! The poor need not worry, these pleasures are aptly defended here at Reason.com!

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Like the early progressives, Macklemore believes he knows better than the poor what they should desire, buy, and value.

In the same sense that, say, a book reviewer believes he knows better what the rich and middle class should read.

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And also like the progressives he believes that the highest value is found not in shopping malls but in places like museums:
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I thought conservatives valued the traditions of the past? Silly me. Conspicuous consumption is what Burke and Oakeshott are all about, I guess.



Again with Macklemoore?

His song Thrift Shop seemed to demonstrate the message that you could find nice things in a thrift shop, I don't get the problem with that.

It's a shockingly bad song. That's what's wrong with it.
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Re: if you don't consume lots of crap you don't need, you hate the poor!
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2014, 02:34:14 am »
Again with Macklemoore?

His song Thrift Shop seemed to demonstrate the message that you could find nice things in a thrift shop, I don't get the problem with that.

It's a shockingly bad song. That's what's wrong with it.

Actually I like the song and I don't' normally like hip hop
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