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Title: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Nightangel8212 on August 17, 2014, 02:45:10 pm
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/17/westboro-baptist-church-plans-to-picket-robin-williams-funeral-trashes-him-on-twitter-images/

Why couldn't this group die along with their founder?

Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Random Gal on August 17, 2014, 02:46:37 pm
Why am I not surprised?

These people are really just a bunch of attention whores.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2014, 02:51:05 pm
Loud and long does the fool bellow
and yet so very naught comes of it
Words are a fleeting song, and lo
The speaker is just a giant tit
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 17, 2014, 02:52:57 pm
Maybe they can troll them by playing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j4t185wl-0
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2014, 02:54:59 pm
Maybe the song by Avenue Q?
The goofy voices make it better, in my opinion.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 17, 2014, 02:58:04 pm
Maybe the song by Avenue Q?
The goofy voices make it better, in my opinion.
You mean this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEyskY0pg_g
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2014, 02:59:21 pm
Yes, that one.

I actually dislike it myself (if only because it's been overused) but I stand by my reasoning for why it would work.

Of course, I don't think it would be appropriate for Robin Williams' funeral, since he's not gay.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 17, 2014, 03:01:23 pm
Bunch of fuckin' psychopaths.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 17, 2014, 03:04:41 pm
Yes, that one.

I actually dislike it myself (if only because it's been overused) but I stand by my reasoning for why it would work.

Of course, I don't think it would be appropriate for Robin Williams' funeral, since he's not gay.
No, but he did play a gay man.  Speaking of which, I wonder if they'll recognize songs from The Birdcage.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Old Viking on August 17, 2014, 03:05:35 pm
I vote that we stop reacting every time WBC issues an imbecilic threat.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2014, 03:07:54 pm
Bunch of fuckin' psychopaths.

Hey now, that's insulting to psychopaths.

Yes, that one.

I actually dislike it myself (if only because it's been overused) but I stand by my reasoning for why it would work.

Of course, I don't think it would be appropriate for Robin Williams' funeral, since he's not gay.
No, but he did play a gay man.  Speaking of which, I wonder if they'll recognize songs from The Birdcage.

Now we're talking :D

I vote that we stop reacting every time WBC issues an imbecilic threat.

It is wise to ignore foolish men
But no one accused me of being wise ;D
I'll laugh as much as I can
Who cares if they get a rise?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: solar. on August 17, 2014, 03:22:02 pm
A fool's fool fools fools who foolishly accept the foolishness of a fool's fool. And believe me, there is none more foolish than the Westboro Baptist Church.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2014, 03:25:08 pm
A fool's fool fools fools who foolishly accept the foolishness of a fool's fool. And believe me, there is none more foolish than the Westboro Baptist Church.

I love you :D
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 17, 2014, 03:28:07 pm
A fool's fool fools fools who foolishly accept the foolishness of a fool's fool. And believe me, there is none more foolish than the Westboro Baptist Church.
Franziska von Karma!  What are you doing here?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Svata on August 17, 2014, 05:27:40 pm
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Anyway, in response to the fools sentence.... Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Yes. thats is a sentence.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: niam2023 on August 17, 2014, 05:35:46 pm
To these Fundamentalists, you have to hate reality to be on their god's good side.

Because Robin Williams spread joy, rather than informing others of the inherent misery and hate the world "deserved", he's thus on their hate list.

Of course, this just settles it in my mind - I'd really like ten minutes alone with a full ensemble of their protesters.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2014, 05:37:42 pm
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Anyway, in response to the fools sentence.... Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Yes. thats is a sentence.

The WBC have a hard-on for being controversial.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: R. U. Sirius on August 17, 2014, 06:24:28 pm
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Anyway, in response to the fools sentence.... Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Yes. thats is a sentence.

According to WBC, laughing at anything other than the torture of sinners in Hell is a sin.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Svata on August 17, 2014, 07:29:49 pm
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Anyway, in response to the fools sentence.... Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Yes. thats is a sentence.

The WBC have a hard-on for being controversial.

I mean, I know that and all, but what could their reasoning for this POSSIBLY be?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Cerim Treascair on August 17, 2014, 07:38:57 pm
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Anyway, in response to the fools sentence.... Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Yes. thats is a sentence.

The WBC have a hard-on for being controversial.

I mean, I know that and all, but what could their reasoning for this POSSIBLY be?

"Get someone pissed off enough to kick some ass, then sue the entire group of folks, even those not involved, for assault and emotional damages"
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: guizonde on August 17, 2014, 07:48:24 pm
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Anyway, in response to the fools sentence.... Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Yes. thats is a sentence.

The WBC have a hard-on for being controversial.

I mean, I know that and all, but what could their reasoning for this POSSIBLY be?

Another interpretation of your question could be answered by,"this man committed suicide, so he's a sinner." Maybe,"he's a comedian, so he's a sinner." Just maybe it could be,"he was immoral in undisclosed ways, be it his humor, or his irreverence. he is therefore a sinner."

You don't need much to get on those guys' bad sides. By the way, all of these examples were used in the middle ages to condemn to hell bards, thespians, tumblers, acrobats, and what can be considered nowadays under the artist umbrella.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: ironbite on August 17, 2014, 09:31:19 pm
I want to just ignore them but I know people won't.

Ironbite-best way to deal with them is a nuke.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 17, 2014, 09:45:23 pm
I'd say it's a given at this point that if someone famous dies in America, Westboro Baptist will picket.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Id82 on August 17, 2014, 10:02:31 pm
It's sad that this doesn't surprise me anymore.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 17, 2014, 11:08:25 pm
A life protested in death by the WBC is a life well lived.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Iczerfour on August 18, 2014, 12:04:46 am
sorry but i feel stabby right now..

Preferably to stab all of the people in WBC in the neck. REPEATEDLY!
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Askold on August 18, 2014, 12:33:35 am
Ah, these guys had not been in the news for a while now.

With less US military personnel dying I guess they've been suffering from not having that many funerals to picket. This seems quite logical for them if they are desperately trying to become relevant again and wish to fill their empty hearts with whatever joy they get from anger they cause.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Sylvana on August 18, 2014, 02:21:05 am
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Anyway, in response to the fools sentence.... Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Yes. thats is a sentence.

The WBC have a hard-on for being controversial.

I mean, I know that and all, but what could their reasoning for this POSSIBLY be?

This isn't even them being controversial anymore. I doubt they even have any real conviction in this picket. It is quite literally attention whoring. Picketing famous peoples funerals is the only way they can get their few seconds of fame back. No one cares about them anymore. No one takes them seriously not even enough to really hate them. these pickets are really just a desperate plea for any kind of fame and recognition. Its kind of pathetic really.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on August 18, 2014, 02:38:41 am
Really, WBC, really? The hell did he do to you? Make people laugh?

Quote
God hates laughing.-WBC
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Nightangel8212 on August 18, 2014, 03:35:47 am
I read in another article that they're using the excuse "He played a gay man in The Birdcage!! Therefore he's burning in Hell and we must make an example out of him!!"

 To be honest, I hadn't even heard of that movie until his death... though I might sit down and watch What Dreams May Come again... And I'm looking forward to the upcoming Merry Friggin' Christmas...
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Kat S. on August 18, 2014, 05:49:46 pm
These people will claim to plan a protest to get a funeral of some major celebrity to gain attention so they can tell us how they think we're going to Hell.  Their message isn't consistent anyway, and neither are their protesting at funerals.  They claimed they were going to picket the funerals Ronnie James Dio, Whitney Houston, the Sandy Hook massacre victims, the Boston Marathon Bombing victims, and others, and they ultimately didn't. 

I believe that the WBC's ultimate aim is to break our will, and get us to serve them by following their interpretation of Christianity.  The goal is immensely selfish, but they don't care since they say that the teachings of Fred Phelps, uh, I mean Jesus Christ* apparently told them that they can do that.  Then, they claim persecution because people disagree with them and how they protest. 

Gosh, if they wanted to persecuted so bad, how about they go to northern Iraq and eastern Syria? A lot of non-Muslim persecution is going on there.  Yes, WBC, we all know you think we're going to Hell, so how about you move on to other countries that haven't banned you and tell them how you think of their salvation?

Final PROTIP on any WBC member lurking the internet and this forum:  Persecution is something you won't enjoy or fondly remember with a smile on your face and with pride that it happened to you.  You are not being persecuted for your beliefs.

*As interpreted by the lead male member at the WBC currently.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Nemo on August 19, 2014, 10:56:06 am
Bear in mind, the WBC are Calvinists. As in, Vincent Cheung style Calvinists. They don't think they can convince us of anything. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Their job is to preach, and if we are of the elect, the Holy Spirit will make us believe. If not, the Holy Spirit will make us disbelieve. When you understand this cornerstone of hyper Calvinism, what the WBC does makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: lord gibbon on August 19, 2014, 06:11:39 pm
Calvinism always struck me as the most logical and the most terrifying branch of Christianity. I mean, let's face it, an all-knowing, all-powerful god WOULD know ahead of time what was going to happen to each soul.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 19, 2014, 08:16:38 pm
Calvinism always struck me as the most logical and the most terrifying branch of Christianity. I mean, let's face it, an all-knowing, all-powerful god WOULD know ahead of time what was going to happen to each soul.

Yes, but this is a god that's also supposed to be benevolent and yet decides that most souls are going to be damned and will be tortured forever.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 19, 2014, 09:11:48 pm
Calvinism always struck me as the most logical and the most terrifying branch of Christianity. I mean, let's face it, an all-knowing, all-powerful god WOULD know ahead of time what was going to happen to each soul.

Yes, but this is a god that's also supposed to be benevolent and yet decides that most souls are going to be damned and are will be tortured forever.

It's Christianity. The bar isn't set particularly high when it comes to logic.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 19, 2014, 09:25:33 pm
Calvinism always struck me as the most logical and the most terrifying branch of Christianity. I mean, let's face it, an all-knowing, all-powerful god WOULD know ahead of time what was going to happen to each soul.

Yes, but this is a god that's also supposed to be benevolent and yet decides that most souls are going to be damned and are will be tortured forever.

It's Christianity. The bar isn't set particularly high when it comes to logic.
*Ahem*

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5ZkDMmmonHM/ThxHhfaMcZI/AAAAAAAAEug/zraDszBBdqg/s1600/St+Thomas+Aquinas.jpg)

(http://www.celebritytypes.com/philosophers_files/descartes.jpg)

(http://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1287258849p5/11038.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Kierkegaard.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/C.s.lewis3.JPG)

And just for the record, I think most people are destined for heaven.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 19, 2014, 09:50:34 pm
Argument from authority. Very convincing.
And just for the record, I think most people are destined for heaven.
Unless you've got some new logically sound proof that heaven exists in the first place that I haven't yet heard of, well, this doesn't exactly help your case.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ironchew on August 19, 2014, 09:51:17 pm
It's Christianity. The bar isn't set particularly high when it comes to logic.
*Ahem*

-snip-

And just for the record, I think most people are destined for heaven.

Yeah, no. The Bible isn't even a consistent document, much less one that consistently follows any sort of internal logic.

I don't believe heaven exists, so that consolation doesn't really work for me.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 19, 2014, 10:50:28 pm
And no offense, but even if Christian Heaven was real, I really wouldn't want to go there.

I don't want to spend all eternity sucking up to a god like that.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: niam2023 on August 19, 2014, 11:01:12 pm
Personally, I don't think humans will ever really, en masse, flock to the logic and reason the two of you prefer. Humans are creatures who prefer comfort, thought processes that are ingrained and easy to reference. They will prefer to remain shrouded in a fog, unwilling to abandon past superstitions, because there is no comfort or reassurance in logic. It doesn't matter WHAT religion you follow, the basic truth remains - humans vastly prefer an immaterial promise to material rationality.

Regardless what kind of logical fallacies you try to point out, or argument types you outline, people won't care. Simply because they'd prefer to believe they're going to a better place than this, they want to abandon their responsibilities and live according to a lawful decree that they are very familiar with.

And ultimately, its a pretty sweet deal. There is no "Christian Church" - there are so many sects and groups, you can pick and choose based on your own individual needs. So, fundamentally, human need and thought shapes the God they worship. In essence, it is their moral standard and ethic they worship. And they would prefer to believe there is an ultimate figure enforcing this moral ethic, than simply trying to live by it alone, because then, they wouldn't have anyone to implore for assistance when their morals and ethics prove incapable of handling a certain situation.

There are even those that are nondenominational, and live by their own interpretations of their holy book and assume that their god is aligned with the rationality and outcome dictated by their interpretation.

So, regardless what you try to frame your ultimate rationality and logic as, a large number of humans will simply prefer to live shrouded in mist of their own design, to assure themselves they have a higher power on their side, which agrees with their personal morality. It does not matter if its real, or provable according to reason or science, because they believe that their mind and belief makes it real and able to be experienced, because in their minds, simply finding solace in their personal morality makes it something able to be experienced and "proven".

If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ironchew on August 19, 2014, 11:11:46 pm
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.

It does not matter if its real...

Those are contradictory. Pick one.

I care about the truth of my beliefs and I strive to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. It is as you say that many people prefer to believe fuzzy feel-good things that are not true (and oftentimes even demonstrably false), but I do not respect their decision to do so. There is no reality check on someone that doesn't care about the truth, and the fact that they indoctrinate little kids and damage their ability to distinguish fantasy from reality is truly frightening to me. Violent extremism naturally springs from such a mentality when you add a few generations.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 19, 2014, 11:17:48 pm
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.

It does not matter if its real...

Those are contradictory. Pick one.

I care about the truth of my beliefs and I strive to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. It is as you say that many people prefer to believe fuzzy feel-good things that are not true (and oftentimes even demonstrably false), but I do not respect their decision to do so. There is no reality check on someone that doesn't care about the truth, and the fact that they indoctrinate little kids and damage their ability to distinguish fantasy from reality is truly frightening to me. Violent extremism naturally springs from such a mentality when you add a few generations.
That's so wrong, I don't know where to begin.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: davedan on August 19, 2014, 11:35:30 pm
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/169055-comedian-hilariously-rips-apart-westboro-baptist-churchs-plans-raid-robin-williams-funeral/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/169055-comedian-hilariously-rips-apart-westboro-baptist-churchs-plans-raid-robin-williams-funeral/)

Adam Hills has the answer to the WBC
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 20, 2014, 12:04:23 am
It's Christianity. The bar isn't set particularly high when it comes to logic.
*Ahem*

[pictures snipped]

Nobody denies that some Christians were in fact very smart people (one might quibble on the examples, but the general idea is sound). That has very little to do with whether Christianity is logical.

@niam: Some people do care about reason and logic and truth, and most of the rest at least pay lip service to the idea. It is an empirical fact that people have left religion at least partially thanks to rational argument.

I care about the truth of my beliefs and I strive to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. It is as you say that many people prefer to believe fuzzy feel-good things that are not true (and oftentimes even demonstrably false), but I do not respect their decision to do so. There is no reality check on someone that doesn't care about the truth, and the fact that they indoctrinate little kids and damage their ability to distinguish fantasy from reality is truly frightening to me. Violent extremism naturally springs from such a mentality when you add a few generations.
That's so wrong, I don't know where to begin.

What part do you object to? Because "believing true things is good, believing false things is dangerous" strikes me as both obviously true and largely non-controversial. I'll grant that the "violent extremism" part is an unsupported generalization, but that hardly merits a blanket "so wrong I can't even"  response.

Seriously, guys, stop making me have to side with Ironchew.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: niam2023 on August 20, 2014, 12:08:04 am
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.

It does not matter if its real...

Those are contradictory. Pick one.

I care about the truth of my beliefs and I strive to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. It is as you say that many people prefer to believe fuzzy feel-good things that are not true (and oftentimes even demonstrably false), but I do not respect their decision to do so. There is no reality check on someone that doesn't care about the truth, and the fact that they indoctrinate little kids and damage their ability to distinguish fantasy from reality is truly frightening to me. Violent extremism naturally springs from such a mentality when you add a few generations.

It does not appear to be contradictory - the truth is people prefer falsehoods to any platitude you may offer, regardless what logical fallacy comes with their falsehood.

You have some honest believers, but the stupid ones, like David Stewart, cannot conceive of a world where their moral standard does not apply to everyone, so they imagine an ultimate force who CAN demand such a thing.

And it equally does not matter that you do not respect their decision to seek comfort there, with their fogged views of the world, whether the fog be rosy or dreary. Because ultimately, all you do is shout logical fallacy and your own personal platitudes at them, and to these people, what you offer resembles what they already have, except you define what is true, what is reasonable, and what is good. To these people who live according to their own definitions, it is not only feasible but most likely that they see little or no difference between people who believe as you do and the god they worship - and given their religion's stance on such things, no small wonder they reject your viewpoints more strongly as time goes on.

To them, all you are is a newer fog that offers different explanations.

While some people, as Sigmaleph has said, have mustered enough confidence to leave, those who need an ultimate source of morality to justify their dated opinions will probably never leave.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 20, 2014, 12:10:39 am
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
I didn't say it's not psychologically comforting, I said it's not logical. No shit Sherlock, of course that's why people believe in it. This doesn't in any way invalidate my statement, nor does it mean religion deserves my respect.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: niam2023 on August 20, 2014, 12:21:30 am
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
I didn't say it's not psychologically comforting, I said it's not logical. No shit Sherlock, of course that's why people believe in it. This doesn't in any way invalidate my statement, nor does it mean religion deserves my respect.

What I am saying is that being illogical and not deserving of your respect, due to the way these people think, matters less than you think it does. To them, religion only matters if it has the person in question's respect and a sufficient number of fellows who believe likewise. They can simply decree your respect not necessary, and your reasons inapplicable, due to their own thoughts.

What I am getting at, is that the truth, regardless how vaunted it is, is a fragile thing.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 20, 2014, 12:28:42 am
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
I didn't say it's not psychologically comforting, I said it's not logical. No shit Sherlock, of course that's why people believe in it. This doesn't in any way invalidate my statement, nor does it mean religion deserves my respect.

What I am saying is that being illogical and not deserving of your respect, due to the way these people think, matters less than you think it does. To them, religion only matters if it has the person in question's respect and a sufficient number of fellows who believe likewise. They can simply decree your respect not necessary, and your reasons inapplicable, due to their own thoughts.

What I am getting at, is that the truth, regardless how vaunted it is, is a fragile thing.

Obviously I'm not going to convert every last religious person. That doesn't mean you should keep silent in the name of "respecting their beliefs" whenever one of them claims that religion is just as logically sound as atheism, or that their belief systems are just as objective as logic. It's no different to someone claiming the sky is purple or Harry Potter is non-fiction. Even if it's unlikely that you'll ever get through to them, it's no reason not call them out on it and validate their delusions.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: niam2023 on August 20, 2014, 12:31:29 am
What I am actually getting at is not that you should keep quiet to respect someone's beliefs.

What I am getting at is that trying to remove someone from this state of bliss is futile. Its pointless even to try.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Mechtaur on August 20, 2014, 12:41:45 am
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
I didn't say it's not psychologically comforting, I said it's not logical. No shit Sherlock, of course that's why people believe in it. This doesn't in any way invalidate my statement, nor does it mean religion deserves my respect.

What I am saying is that being illogical and not deserving of your respect, due to the way these people think, matters less than you think it does. To them, religion only matters if it has the person in question's respect and a sufficient number of fellows who believe likewise. They can simply decree your respect not necessary, and your reasons inapplicable, due to their own thoughts.

What I am getting at, is that the truth, regardless how vaunted it is, is a fragile thing.

Obviously I'm not going to convert every last religious person. That doesn't mean you should keep silent in the name of "respecting their beliefs" whenever one of them claims that religion is just as logically sound as atheism, or that their belief systems are just as objective as logic. It's no different to someone claiming the sky is purple or Harry Potter is non-fiction. Even if it's unlikely that you'll ever get through to them, it's no reason not call them out on it and validate their delusions.

But, Harry Potter has to be real, they video taped it for Satan's sake!
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 20, 2014, 12:53:40 am
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
I didn't say it's not psychologically comforting, I said it's not logical. No shit Sherlock, of course that's why people believe in it. This doesn't in any way invalidate my statement, nor does it mean religion deserves my respect.

What I am saying is that being illogical and not deserving of your respect, due to the way these people think, matters less than you think it does. To them, religion only matters if it has the person in question's respect and a sufficient number of fellows who believe likewise. They can simply decree your respect not necessary, and your reasons inapplicable, due to their own thoughts.

What I am getting at, is that the truth, regardless how vaunted it is, is a fragile thing.

Obviously I'm not going to convert every last religious person. That doesn't mean you should keep silent in the name of "respecting their beliefs" whenever one of them claims that religion is just as logically sound as atheism, or that their belief systems are just as objective as logic. It's no different to someone claiming the sky is purple or Harry Potter is non-fiction. Even if it's unlikely that you'll ever get through to them, it's no reason not call them out on it and validate their delusions.

But, Harry Potter has to be real, they video taped it for Satan's sake!

But don't you know that electronics don't work in Hogwarts? See, that's how they get you.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Mechtaur on August 20, 2014, 01:12:33 am
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
I didn't say it's not psychologically comforting, I said it's not logical. No shit Sherlock, of course that's why people believe in it. This doesn't in any way invalidate my statement, nor does it mean religion deserves my respect.

What I am saying is that being illogical and not deserving of your respect, due to the way these people think, matters less than you think it does. To them, religion only matters if it has the person in question's respect and a sufficient number of fellows who believe likewise. They can simply decree your respect not necessary, and your reasons inapplicable, due to their own thoughts.

What I am getting at, is that the truth, regardless how vaunted it is, is a fragile thing.

Obviously I'm not going to convert every last religious person. That doesn't mean you should keep silent in the name of "respecting their beliefs" whenever one of them claims that religion is just as logically sound as atheism, or that their belief systems are just as objective as logic. It's no different to someone claiming the sky is purple or Harry Potter is non-fiction. Even if it's unlikely that you'll ever get through to them, it's no reason not call them out on it and validate their delusions.

But, Harry Potter has to be real, they video taped it for Satan's sake!

But don't you know that electronics don't work in Hogwarts? See, that's how they get you.

By Glycon's bleeding fangs, I never even considered that...
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ironchew on August 20, 2014, 01:19:24 am
What I am actually getting at is not that you should keep quiet to respect someone's beliefs.

What I am getting at is that trying to remove someone from this state of bliss is futile. Its pointless even to try.

On the contrary, when dealing with someone that values vague nontruths over evidence, I've found that sustained ridicule eventually gets the message across. When someone no longer feels good about peddling their false beliefs, they usually drop them in favor of what the rest of their group thinks.

There's no guarantee it will be replaced with a rational belief, but it does happen.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Mechtaur on August 20, 2014, 01:35:47 am
What I am actually getting at is not that you should keep quiet to respect someone's beliefs.

What I am getting at is that trying to remove someone from this state of bliss is futile. Its pointless even to try.

On the contrary, when dealing with someone that values vague nontruths over evidence, I've found that sustained ridicule eventually gets the message across. When someone no longer feels good about peddling their false beliefs, they usually drop them in favor of what the rest of their group thinks.

There's no guarantee it will be replaced with a rational belief, but it does happen.

This statement, coming from someone who behaves in this way, is just completely mindblowing.

EDIT: No, seriously, you just fucking justified every single action for oppressing any type of progress. You just justified every single action and reason that atheists or any other minority belief gets stomped on.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 20, 2014, 01:51:17 am
I legit cannot think of a single situation in history where ridicule has solved anything, in all honesty.  If anything, it's made the problem worse.

It just seems like an excuse to be a dick.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on August 20, 2014, 08:51:11 am
Ironchew and Paragon! Always fighting like children, making a mess of the universe! And I have to clean up the messes!

Let me get my Glock 17 and you two will be best friends. Nothing like a polymer-framed short recoil operated locked breech pistol to solve arguments between you two.

Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 20, 2014, 09:34:21 am
I legit cannot think of a single situation in history where ridicule has solved anything, in all honesty.  If anything, it's made the problem worse.

It just seems like an excuse to be a dick.
Well, yes and no.  Ridicule can change things, as proven by Voltaire and Benjamin Franklin.  However, it needs to have a point beyond "you're a moron!  Ha ha!".
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 20, 2014, 12:39:46 pm
If there is anything, ironchew and Art, that you've neglected, it is this truth.
I didn't say it's not psychologically comforting, I said it's not logical. No shit Sherlock, of course that's why people believe in it. This doesn't in any way invalidate my statement, nor does it mean religion deserves my respect.

What I am saying is that being illogical and not deserving of your respect, due to the way these people think, matters less than you think it does. To them, religion only matters if it has the person in question's respect and a sufficient number of fellows who believe likewise. They can simply decree your respect not necessary, and your reasons inapplicable, due to their own thoughts.

What I am getting at, is that the truth, regardless how vaunted it is, is a fragile thing.

Obviously I'm not going to convert every last religious person. That doesn't mean you should keep silent in the name of "respecting their beliefs" whenever one of them claims that religion is just as logically sound as atheism, or that their belief systems are just as objective as logic. It's no different to someone claiming the sky is purple or Harry Potter is non-fiction. Even if it's unlikely that you'll ever get through to them, it's no reason not call them out on it and validate their delusions.

But, Harry Potter has to be real, they video taped it for Satan's sake!

But don't you know that electronics don't work in Hogwarts? See, that's how they get you.

But, what if said electronics were built in Hogwarts itself, using magic?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 20, 2014, 04:38:19 pm
But, what if said electronics were built in Hogwarts itself, using magic?
I suppose it's possible. Maybe not actual electronics, but something that uses magic as a substitute for electricity could indeed work.

Now I feel as though the series would've been so much better if Harry and co had discovered thaumic computing.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Søren on August 20, 2014, 10:45:29 pm
And no offense, but even if Christian Heaven was real, I really wouldn't want to go there.

I don't want to spend all eternity sucking up to a god like that.

Actually ylu judt have to be a suck up in the present life. I dont think god will punt you out once you get your hand stamped
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 20, 2014, 11:01:29 pm
And no offense, but even if Christian Heaven was real, I really wouldn't want to go there.

I don't want to spend all eternity sucking up to a god like that.

Actually ylu judt have to be a suck up in the present life. I dont think god will punt you out once you get your hand stamped

From what I know of Christian Heaven, you don't have a choice - the idea of heaven is sucking up to God for all eternity because, apparently, basking in his presence is bliss.

Pardon my venom.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Svata on August 21, 2014, 12:00:55 am
Yeah. I'd rather cook.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: the_ignored on August 21, 2014, 01:11:26 am
Too bad that they're not the only ones who hated Williams (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/08/20/pastor-steven-anderson-robin-williams-is-burning-in-hell-because-he-didnt-follow-christ/):

Quote
… Robin Williams committed suicide. Why? ‘Cause he’s miserable. You know why? Because he doesn’t follow Christ…



You say “Don’t get on Robin Williams.” You know what? I haven’t even started getting on that cross-dressing freak yet…



… It’s a sad day when Christians today are eulogizing, and praising, and saying “Rest in Peace, Robin Williams.” Robin Williams is burning in Hell.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: solar. on August 21, 2014, 02:45:13 am
Fundies are complete monsters.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Canadian Mojo on August 21, 2014, 03:41:01 am
And no offense, but even if Christian Heaven was real, I really wouldn't want to go there.

I don't want to spend all eternity sucking up to a god like that.

Actually ylu judt have to be a suck up in the present life. I dont think god will punt you out once you get your hand stamped

Yeah, tell that to Adam, Eve, and Lucifer.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 21, 2014, 04:05:55 am
And no offense, but even if Christian Heaven was real, I really wouldn't want to go there.

I don't want to spend all eternity sucking up to a god like that.

Actually ylu judt have to be a suck up in the present life. I dont think god will punt you out once you get your hand stamped

Yeah, tell that to Adam, Eve, and Lucifer.

Adam and Eve were never in heaven in the first place.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 21, 2014, 07:48:46 am
But, what if said electronics were built in Hogwarts itself, using magic?
I suppose it's possible. Maybe not actual electronics, but something that uses magic as a substitute for electricity could indeed work.

Now I feel as though the series would've been so much better if Harry and co had discovered thaumic computing.

I do kinda raise my eyebrow at the implication that magic causes electromagnetic interference.  If that's so, why don't we hear of the muggles near places like Diagon Alley, which sell mass amounts of enchanted goods and have people working with and using magic almost every hour or every day in significant numbers, complaining about their electronics going haywire?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 21, 2014, 08:26:33 am
But, what if said electronics were built in Hogwarts itself, using magic?
I suppose it's possible. Maybe not actual electronics, but something that uses magic as a substitute for electricity could indeed work.

Now I feel as though the series would've been so much better if Harry and co had discovered thaumic computing.

I do kinda raise my eyebrow at the implication that magic causes electromagnetic interference.  If that's so, why don't we hear of the muggles near places like Diagon Alley, which sell mass amounts of enchanted goods and have people working with and using magic almost every hour or every day in significant numbers, complaining about their electronics going haywire?

It's Harry Potter. Selective bullshit is really the cornerstone of the series. Without it, the plot would completely unravel. Take Gringotts and it's stupidly massive network of underground vaults underneath a major city like London. In the real world, even a barely competent geologist in training could find that in a heartbeat (same with the Ministry, now that I think about it). Or Arthur Weasley's flying car. You cannot fly an aircraft with pedals and a steering wheel. That's just fucking moronic. Even with the handbrake controlling pitch, (which is an extremely awkward solution at best, good luck landing that thing), the wheel can only control yaw or roll, but not both. That thing would be completely unflyable.

Then there's the Hogwarts Express. Sure, it makes some sense to gather the students in a major city, then move them in secret to Hogwarts. However, if Hogwarts is in Scotland, why have them meet in London, then spend an entire day on a train? Wouldn't Glasgow or Aberdeen make more sense as a rallying point? Though considering the Knight Bus exists, I strongly doubt that system is even necessary in the first place. At the very least, charter that thing for half a day, have it warp around the UK picking up students, then drop them all at the castle. Or simply set up a portkey or Floo fireplace in one or more major cities to warp them to the school in an instant. Or hell, even having the staff spend the day personally picking up and dropping off each student via side-along apparition would probably be faster. The possibilities are almost endless.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 21, 2014, 08:05:52 pm
But, what if said electronics were built in Hogwarts itself, using magic?
I suppose it's possible. Maybe not actual electronics, but something that uses magic as a substitute for electricity could indeed work.

Now I feel as though the series would've been so much better if Harry and co had discovered thaumic computing.

I do kinda raise my eyebrow at the implication that magic causes electromagnetic interference.  If that's so, why don't we hear of the muggles near places like Diagon Alley, which sell mass amounts of enchanted goods and have people working with and using magic almost every hour or every day in significant numbers, complaining about their electronics going haywire?

A magical Faraday cage enclosing Diagon Alley, of course. Alternatively, space warping effect. Second alternately, magic interfering with electronics is only canonically stated to be true at Hogwarts, not necessarily all places with magical stuff. It's conceivable that the magical density of Hogwarts is much greater than that of Diagon alley for some reason or another.

As usual, the answer to problems caused by magic is "more magic".
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 21, 2014, 08:37:24 pm
It's possible that it's only places with high density of magic (for example: Hogwarts) that can interfere with electronics.  Diagon Alley isn't a high enough density, despite being a wizarding hub (I guess it's because basically every brick and bit of mortar of Hogwarts is heavily enchanted, whereas the only place that really needed heavy enchantment was the entrance to Diagon Alley)
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: davedan on August 22, 2014, 02:53:02 am
I dont recall where in the books it states that Magic does interfere with electronics?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 22, 2014, 03:03:49 am
Apparently, there's one example in Goblet of Fire. "All those substitutes for magic Muggles use - electricity, computers, and radar, and all those things - they all go haywire around Hogwarts, there's too much magic in the air."
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 22, 2014, 01:00:22 pm
The question is: is this "magic in the air" due to active (kids and instructors using magic) and passive (wards) magic use, or some inherent magic in the location itself?  If its the former, then it would stand to reason that places like Diagon Alley would have a similar, if reduced, effect due to the number of wards around the area keeping it from the view and access of muggles, and due to shopkeeps (like Fred and George) using spells to enchant various goods.  If its the latter, then what is it that makes the school special, and not some place like Diagon Alley?

The only explanation I can think of that would work in conjunction with the second hypothesis is that Hogwarts was constructed on or near a natural wellspring of raw magical energy.  Channeled and focused magic wouldn't disrupt muggle electronics, unless specifically designed to do so, because the intent changes the properties of the raw magical energy, turning it into a form that is, if nothing else, less likely to cause electromagnetic interference.  However, the raw arcane power, since its more chaotic and variable in nature, would have a more pronounced effect on devices relying on electromagnetism, like cell phones.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Mechtaur on August 22, 2014, 06:44:06 pm
The question is: is this "magic in the air" due to active (kids and instructors using magic) and passive (wards) magic use, or some inherent magic in the location itself?  If its the former, then it would stand to reason that places like Diagon Alley would have a similar, if reduced, effect due to the number of wards around the area keeping it from the view and access of muggles, and due to shopkeeps (like Fred and George) using spells to enchant various goods.  If its the latter, then what is it that makes the school special, and not some place like Diagon Alley?

The only explanation I can think of that would work in conjunction with the second hypothesis is that Hogwarts was constructed on or near a natural wellspring of raw magical energy.  Channeled and focused magic wouldn't disrupt muggle electronics, unless specifically designed to do so, because the intent changes the properties of the raw magical energy, turning it into a form that is, if nothing else, less likely to cause electromagnetic interference.  However, the raw arcane power, since its more chaotic and variable in nature, would have a more pronounced effect on devices relying on electromagnetism, like cell phones.

So, the main idea of what keeps Hogwarts anti-electronic is either wards or ley lines/nodes?

Given that it was surrounded by a protective bubble, I'm willing to bet the former primarily. Plus, we're never told about whether Diagon Alley has similar protections (or if it is in a pocket dimension, which I'm willing to bet) or not.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Ghoti on August 22, 2014, 09:46:30 pm
Why the hell are we discussing this in a thread about the WBC?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 22, 2014, 10:01:21 pm
Why the hell are we discussing this in a thread about the WBC?

'Cause fuck WBC, that's why.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: SpaceProg on August 22, 2014, 10:03:11 pm
POTTER'D OUT OF FREAKING NOWHERE.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Stormwarden on August 22, 2014, 10:21:16 pm
But if they want to go to Iraq and a comedian offered to fly them, would you listen?

http://www.advocate.com/politics/media/2014/08/22/westboro-baptist-church-says-it-will-go-iraq-protest-isis

http://gawker.com/westboro-baptist-church-accepts-comedians-offer-of-free-1625474509

Oh, by the way, THEY ACCEPTED. I just hope they don't take their kids with them. I don't like seeing the young get killed because their elders were idiots.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 22, 2014, 11:08:35 pm
If the comedian can't actually fund it, I vote we start a kickstarter to send WBC to Iraq. I wanna see that shit happen.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 22, 2014, 11:13:25 pm
Gotta love Adam Hills. That guy is a fucking legend.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Kat S. on August 22, 2014, 11:46:54 pm
But if they want to go to Iraq and a comedian offered to fly them, would you listen?

http://www.advocate.com/politics/media/2014/08/22/westboro-baptist-church-says-it-will-go-iraq-protest-isis

http://gawker.com/westboro-baptist-church-accepts-comedians-offer-of-free-1625474509

Oh, by the way, THEY ACCEPTED. I just hope they don't take their kids with them. I don't like seeing the young get killed because their elders were idiots.


I hope they follow through and don't back out at the last minute with the excuse of "God gave us a message not to go" B.S.  If you noticed early on in their protests, they would protest in towns and neighborhoods where the crime rates were low.  Nowadays, thanks to their notoriety, they don't protest much if at all because of personal safety issues out weighing the potential to sue someone.

If the comedian can't actually fund it, I vote we start a kickstarter to send WBC to Iraq. I wanna see that shit happen.

I give my yes vote.  If it does actually start, let me know.  I have military buddies who also have military buddies who wouldn't hesitate to donate.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: niam2023 on August 23, 2014, 01:31:56 am
I will watch the beheading video of WBC members over...and over...and over...
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 23, 2014, 02:36:16 am
I don't really see the point in letting them get killed, even if it's due to their own obstinance.

Even their lives are a bit more valuable than a little self-satisfaction.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Cerim Treascair on August 23, 2014, 02:40:49 am
Better they die in obscurity than as martyrs.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 23, 2014, 02:58:49 am
There's also that, yes.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 23, 2014, 03:04:04 am
Even their lives are a bit more valuable than a little self-satisfaction.
That's entirely your own subjective opinion.

In any case, I strongly doubt anything will actually come of this. Assuming they even make it to Iraq and this isn't all a load of empty dick waving, I'll bet my favourite testicle that they'll only protest in maximum security areas where no one can lay a finger on them. No way do they have the balls to do anything where ISIS can actually take a shot at them.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 23, 2014, 04:18:45 am
Even their lives are a bit more valuable than a little self-satisfaction.
That's entirely your own subjective opinion.

Generally speaking, when "a little self satisfaction" starts becoming more valuable than another human being's life, that's cause for alarm.  Even if it's the WBC.

That and being annoying and saying hateful things aren't worth capital punishment.

But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Kat S. on August 23, 2014, 09:28:40 am
I also don't really want anything bad happening to them either, but since they said they accepted the challenge, they should follow through.  After all, they claim God is on their side and that they are the chosen people.

I agree with you, Art.  I'm still skeptical that they will actually follow through.  This latest act they are doing is still nothing more than shameless attention whoring to stay in the spotlight.

I would find it as karma of sorts that they go to a place where they were glad service members were going and where some were killed because supposedly God is punishing us for being more tolerant of homosexuality.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 23, 2014, 11:40:08 am
The question is: is this "magic in the air" due to active (kids and instructors using magic) and passive (wards) magic use, or some inherent magic in the location itself?  If its the former, then it would stand to reason that places like Diagon Alley would have a similar, if reduced, effect due to the number of wards around the area keeping it from the view and access of muggles, and due to shopkeeps (like Fred and George) using spells to enchant various goods.  If its the latter, then what is it that makes the school special, and not some place like Diagon Alley?

The only explanation I can think of that would work in conjunction with the second hypothesis is that Hogwarts was constructed on or near a natural wellspring of raw magical energy.  Channeled and focused magic wouldn't disrupt muggle electronics, unless specifically designed to do so, because the intent changes the properties of the raw magical energy, turning it into a form that is, if nothing else, less likely to cause electromagnetic interference.  However, the raw arcane power, since its more chaotic and variable in nature, would have a more pronounced effect on devices relying on electromagnetism, like cell phones.

So, the main idea of what keeps Hogwarts anti-electronic is either wards or ley lines/nodes?

Given that it was surrounded by a protective bubble, I'm willing to bet the former primarily. Plus, we're never told about whether Diagon Alley has similar protections (or if it is in a pocket dimension, which I'm willing to bet) or not.

Actually, I kinda like that idea for places like Diagon Alley, the Ministry, and St. Mungo's.  It turns a bland "a mage did it" into a really nice bit of Time Lord-esque dimensional engineering.

Why the hell are we discussing this in a thread about the WBC?

Because they've been discussed to death and are now boring.  I also don't like the idea of potentially legitimizing them by treating them as an actual topic of conversation outside derision and ridicule.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on August 24, 2014, 05:25:29 pm
The question is: is this "magic in the air" due to active (kids and instructors using magic) and passive (wards) magic use, or some inherent magic in the location itself?  If its the former, then it would stand to reason that places like Diagon Alley would have a similar, if reduced, effect due to the number of wards around the area keeping it from the view and access of muggles, and due to shopkeeps (like Fred and George) using spells to enchant various goods.  If its the latter, then what is it that makes the school special, and not some place like Diagon Alley?

The only explanation I can think of that would work in conjunction with the second hypothesis is that Hogwarts was constructed on or near a natural wellspring of raw magical energy.  Channeled and focused magic wouldn't disrupt muggle electronics, unless specifically designed to do so, because the intent changes the properties of the raw magical energy, turning it into a form that is, if nothing else, less likely to cause electromagnetic interference.  However, the raw arcane power, since its more chaotic and variable in nature, would have a more pronounced effect on devices relying on electromagnetism, like cell phones.

So, the main idea of what keeps Hogwarts anti-electronic is either wards or ley lines/nodes?

Given that it was surrounded by a protective bubble, I'm willing to bet the former primarily. Plus, we're never told about whether Diagon Alley has similar protections (or if it is in a pocket dimension, which I'm willing to bet) or not.

Actually, I kinda like that idea for places like Diagon Alley, the Ministry, and St. Mungo's.  It turns a bland "a mage did it" into a really nice bit of Time Lord-esque dimensional engineering.

Why the hell are we discussing this in a thread about the WBC?

Because they've been discussed to death and are now boring.  I also don't like the idea of potentially legitimizing them by treating them as an actual topic of conversation outside derision and ridicule.

So discussing the underlying reasons for why they're fucked up, the girl that Fred Jr. dated's fate and things like that aren't a legitimate topic for discussion?
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 24, 2014, 10:14:49 pm
Too bad that they're not the only ones who hated Williams (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/08/20/pastor-steven-anderson-robin-williams-is-burning-in-hell-because-he-didnt-follow-christ/):

Quote
… Robin Williams committed suicide. Why? ‘Cause he’s miserable. You know why? Because he doesn’t follow Christ…



You say “Don’t get on Robin Williams.” You know what? I haven’t even started getting on that cross-dressing freak yet…



… It’s a sad day when Christians today are eulogizing, and praising, and saying “Rest in Peace, Robin Williams.” Robin Williams is burning in Hell.


Robin Williams was actually an Episcopalian. He just wasn't a fundie asshole like you.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 25, 2014, 09:54:04 am
So discussing the underlying reasons for why they're fucked up, the girl that Fred Jr. dated's fate and things like that aren't a legitimate topic for discussion?

Not...precisely what I meant, but I do understand how my words could be misconstrued as such.  I mean, I don't want to discuss their idiotic demonstrations and giving them the hate they crave.  I'm all for understanding them and what they've done, I just want to do so whilst starving them of attention so they eventually die the fuck off.  Kinda like the Duggars, the worst thing to ever be associated with my home state.  Yes, the Quiverfull movement is literally worse than a philandering president.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 25, 2014, 01:46:03 pm
Too bad that they're not the only ones who hated Williams (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/08/20/pastor-steven-anderson-robin-williams-is-burning-in-hell-because-he-didnt-follow-christ/):

Quote
… Robin Williams committed suicide. Why? ‘Cause he’s miserable. You know why? Because he doesn’t follow Christ…



You say “Don’t get on Robin Williams.” You know what? I haven’t even started getting on that cross-dressing freak yet…



… It’s a sad day when Christians today are eulogizing, and praising, and saying “Rest in Peace, Robin Williams.” Robin Williams is burning in Hell.


Robin Williams was actually an Episcopalian. He just wasn't a fundie asshole like you.

Episcopalians are Worse Than Catholics to many protestants (funny because they're technically protestants themselves) and considering many vocal protestants and Catholics refuse to consider each other to be True Christians, I think you can see where this is going.
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: niam2023 on August 25, 2014, 04:32:00 pm
Fundy: You're a heretic!!

Fundy 2: No YOU'RE a heretic!!

Warhammer Inquisitor: YOU ARE BOTH HERETICS! DIE FOR THE EMPRAH!!
Title: Re: WBC plans to picket Robin Williams funeral
Post by: dpareja on August 25, 2014, 04:37:56 pm
Quote from: Emo Phillips
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.