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No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« on: June 10, 2012, 03:43:43 pm »
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So yeah, petitions and such made it so that textbook publishers must omit or revise stuff about evolution in South Korea. Isn't that dandy?
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2012, 04:18:13 pm »
One of the publishers that revised its texts,  Kyohaksa, was quoted by local media as saying the fact that there was an apparent scientific controversy over the issue prompted its decision.

Generally, for something to be a “scientific controversy” it has to be controversial among scientists. As opposed to simply having a bunch of scientific illiterates making a big fuss over it.
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2012, 04:24:25 pm »
Because that's stopped it from being a controversy elsewhere.
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2012, 05:10:50 pm »
South Korea, I am disappoint.

I had no idea that creationism was so powerful a political force there.
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2012, 05:18:31 pm »
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Some major science textbook publishers for South Korea's secondary schools have deleted examples of Darwinism, bowing to petitions by a group that calls evolution "an unconfirmed theory."

In science, the word "theory" doesn't mean the same thing it means in layman's terms. What laymen would call a "law" is what scientists call a "theory." On the other hand, laymen call a "theory" is what scientists would call either "a hypothesis" or "ignorant unfounded bullshit," depending on the statement in question. Gravity is also a "theory." If you want to question the scientific definition of "theory," then go jump off a cliff.  Go on. After all, gravity is "just" a "theory."

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"We are an academic research society that aims to delete the errors [relating to] evolution, which is an unconfirmed theory," STR President Lee Gwang-won said. "It is important to revise the textbooks and teach the students that evolution is just one of the theories, as it affects how students form their view of the world. "

If you what you had to say was worth taking seriously, then you would understand that "unconfirmed theory" is a fucking oxymoron in science.

And what, pray tell, are these other "theories" you speak of, who are the scientists that support them, in which peer-reviewed academic publications are their findings available, and which other scientists have reported reproducing these findings? If these "theories" existed and you weren't pulling nonsense out of your arse, then you should be able to easily provide this information. Why haven't you?

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Lee denied his organization is affiliated with Christian groups or creationist scientists.

I smell bullshit.

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But Han Jungyeol, spokesman for the Korea Assn. for Creation Research, told the science journal Nature that the STR is an independent offshoot of his association.

Sure enough.

People who don't understand basic high-school biology should have absolutely no influence in science-education policy, so blatant anti-intellectuals who actively refuse to even try to understand it because it uncomfortably disagrees with their preconceived notions of reality certainly should not.

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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2012, 05:26:54 pm »
South Korea, I am disappoint.

I had no idea that creationism was so powerful a political force there.

About 25% of South Korea's population is Christian and a significant portion of that is evangelical. Despite not being a majority, the Christian Right in South Korea has a strong political representation. They are responsible for violence against Buddhists, discriminatory religious practice, stopping LGBTQ rights (it's just lucky that the court struck them down otherwise transgender folks wouldn't have transition rights in South Korea.)
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2012, 06:49:46 pm »
Because that's stopped it from being a controversy elsewhere.

But it is not a scientific controversy, is it?
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2012, 06:52:05 pm »
South Korea, I am disappoint.

I had no idea that creationism was so powerful a political force there.

About 25% of South Korea's population is Christian and a significant portion of that is evangelical. Despite not being a majority, the Christian Right in South Korea has a strong political representation. They are responsible for violence against Buddhists, discriminatory religious practice, stopping LGBTQ rights (it's just lucky that the court struck them down otherwise transgender folks wouldn't have transition rights in South Korea.)

In other words, they're a lot like the American Christian Right?
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2012, 07:25:34 pm »
Because that's stopped it from being a controversy elsewhere.

But it is not a scientific controversy, is it?
No, but it doesn't matter if the general public won't accept it enough to learn it.
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2012, 08:10:16 pm »
Because that's stopped it from being a controversy elsewhere.

But it is not a scientific controversy, is it?
No, but it doesn't matter if the general public won't accept it enough to learn it.

Yeah, truth rarely does matter in the political arena.
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2012, 08:53:57 pm »
I wonder if these guys care that this eliminates SKs immense advanage over the world in their school quality :(

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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2012, 10:19:47 pm »
At least it will be nice to have a population as ignorant as our own.
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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 09:40:47 am »
Can we stop with the sensationalist thread titles?

http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-surrenders-to-creationist-demands-1.10773

Nothing in there says that students are going to stop being taught evolution. It says that many (note: not all) major textbook publishers are removing a few (again, not all) select examples of evolution in several species.

Second, nobody made it so that they must revise their textbooks. They did that on their own, in response to a petition. They are not being forced to do anything.

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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2012, 12:22:33 pm »
Can we stop with the sensationalist thread titles?

http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-surrenders-to-creationist-demands-1.10773

Nothing in there says that students are going to stop being taught evolution. It says that many (note: not all) major textbook publishers are removing a few (again, not all) select examples of evolution in several species.

Second, nobody made it so that they must revise their textbooks. They did that on their own, in response to a petition. They are not being forced to do anything.

Yeah, what are we, Fox News?

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Re: No more learning about evolution in South Korea
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2012, 12:33:59 pm »
Yeah... VirtualStranger.. is... right. *chokes*

That said, it *is* a shift in the direction of the fundies for South Korea, and while it's not everything, it's not nothing, either. Rather tragic any time a fact is edited in a textbook because it doesn't agree with religious dogma.
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