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Re: Fandumb
« Reply #360 on: August 17, 2015, 04:43:22 pm »
I hang around the Ghostbusters forums...and goh boy, has it been horrible ever since the Paul Feig reimagining with an all-female cast was just a rumor.

First, let me say that no, not every person who's upset about the movie is a misogynist dickhead.  Many are angry because it's not a true sequel, and they feel like Sony treated Ivan Reitman and Dan Aykroyd shabbily by basically going around them to get this made.

That being said...oh yes, there are misogynist dickheads at work.

Like this little twerp, who's very in love with the word "misandry"

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The worst is how aggressively feminist this movie is. Truly equal gender would have been a movie like Gravity, where the strong lead female draws emotional strength from the equally strong lead male.

This GB3 just spits on and demeans men throughout like a bad 70's mysogynistic cop show but the mysandric equivalent.

A hunky, muscle bound male subserviant secretary. No male Ghostbusters, The proposed final scene with traditional primarily male figures of authority, the Army and Police force doing a possessed helpless synchronised goofy dance routine while the girls save the day, etc.

It's so misandric it would be shot down if the roles were reserved. But it's 2015 and you can say what you want about men, it's the in thing nowadays. A better movie would have featured men and women GB's equally.

I'm just surprised that not more people realize how sexist this movie is while claiming the opposite.


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But the real low was this:

New Ghostbusters Bashed After Visiting Kid's Hospital

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On Saturday, the cast of the new Ghostbusters movie filming in Boston—Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon, and Leslie Jones—visited patients at the Floating Hospital for Children at Tufts Medical Center.

But, this being the Internet after all, some people had to try and distract us from movie stars doing a nice thing for sick kids by commenting on the post with the kind of misogynistic hate that’s been circulating on the web since an all-female Ghostbusters reboot was still in the rumors stage. You see, some men aren’t happy that the Ghostbusters franchise will feature an all-female ghost-hunting team because, well, who cares. Something about childhoods being ruined, all because women are playing roles that were played by men 30 years ago. As director Paul Feig said to the haters back in March, “Honestly, the only way I could ruin your childhood is if I got into a time machine and went back and made you an orphan.”

https://www.facebook.com/tuftsmedicalcenter/posts/10154026896428356

As Jezebel noted, the comments on the above post were apparently so nasty, Tufts was forced to follow up with this post reminding Facebook users about their profanity policy:

Coincidentally, there is a different, all-dude Ghostbusters film in the works, with Channing Tatum rumored to star. The question of why the hell men and women can’t be on the same silver-screen paranormal investigating team here in 2015 remains to be answered.

Or shit like this:

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Yeah, thanks, jerkweeds.

To be fair, in this thread the community as a whole condemned this shit, except for one troll who claimed he was oppressed or something.  But thanks, now the Ghostbusters fans join the Bronies in hosting a surprising number of misogynist idiots.


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Re: Fandumb
« Reply #361 on: August 17, 2015, 06:12:53 pm »
There was a rumour that Bill Murray was going to do a cameo on the new ghostbusters just because it was an all female lead. If that's the case then I am all for it. Personally I'll be happy as long as it's not a scene for scene remake of the original with only the genders swapped.

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Re: Fandumb
« Reply #362 on: August 19, 2015, 02:33:42 am »
Rumor confirmed, actually.  Murray's coming back for a cameo.  Scuttlebutt is Ernie Hudson might poke his head in too.
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Re: Fandumb
« Reply #363 on: August 19, 2015, 04:40:34 pm »
There was a rumour that Bill Murray was going to do a cameo on the new ghostbusters just because it was an all female lead. If that's the case then I am all for it. Personally I'll be happy as long as it's not a scene for scene remake of the original with only the genders swapped.

Rumor confirmed, actually.  Murray's coming back for a cameo.  Scuttlebutt is Ernie Hudson might poke his head in too.

Murray's had, what I gather to be, a somewhat love and hate relationship with the franchise over the years.

He loved doing the first movie.  He considers it one of the best times he's ever had in his life.  That great time got him to take a look at what Reitman and Aykroyd were proposing for the second movie.

He didn't enjoy the second movie.  The script that was actually filmed was, it has been hinted, vastly different from the pitch that brought him onboard;  whether this was the cause of Murray's disdain of doing sequels, or just reinforced it, I can't say--but since then, the only sequel he's ever done is a second Garfield movie, where he could literally just phone in all his lines.

He sometimes feels like Aykroyd and the fans have been badgering him to do a third movie, which he just plain didn't want to do.  There were scripts over the years where he's barely in it; ever since the late 90's every GB3 pitch has basically been a "handing of the torch" scenario where a new team played by younger actors is trained by the remaining original Ghostbusters and would thus take over the property.  He did do Venkman's voice in the 2009 video game, but, again, it didn't take a lot of physical effort--and there's a member of the production team on the game who posts on GBFans, and has talked about Murray's mercurial work ethic doing even that.

Murray's also been a bit prickly about allowing his likeness to be used in merchandising;  one of the main reasons that the 1980's cartoon The Real Ghostbusters came up with completely different likenesses for the movie characters is so that they didn't have to worry with paying Bill Murray to use his face.  (The last few years have seen comics that look closer to the movie actors, though they tend to be very stylized caricatures or only vaguely resemble the actors--I remember one cover artist being told by IDW to redo a picture because Venkman looked too much like Bill Murray in the drawing).

I dunno.  Murray's gotten a lot of, depending on who you ask, either the blame for their not being a real GB3, or the credit for not letting what could have been an ever worse movie that GB2 come to fruition.  I suspect he's basically onboard for a cameo because that's all it is--he won't feel like he's being expected to carry the movie.
Fundie Doublethink:
* The Bible is the inerrant, literal word of God when it talks about the Earth being created in six days and homosexuality being an abomination. The Bible is a flawed work interpreted by errant humans when it talks about loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek, and the evils of greed.
*  All life is sacred and precious from the moment of conception until the moment of birth.
* You're not a sexist.  You just think women are nothing but baby machines and servants.