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Mass shooting in Vegas
« on: October 02, 2017, 05:47:35 am »
This fucking awful thing just happened.

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  • More than 20 people have been killed and well in excess of 100 were injured when a “lone wolf” gunman fired multiple shots at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival from a hotel overlooking the event. Two of those killed were off-duty police officers.
  • The only suspect, whose motives are unknown, was killed by police. A Swat team used a controlled explosion to enter his hotel room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel and casino.
  • Police are searching for the suspect’s companion, Marilou Danley. She is wanted for questioning and is described as a person of interest.
  • Jason Aldean, the country music star who was performing when the shooting took place, described the scene as “beyond horrific”. He said he and his crew were safe, but added: “It hurts my heart that this would happen to anyone who was just coming out to enjoy what should have been a fun night.”
  • Concertgoers reported seeing muzzle flashes from the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay hotel and several videos of the aftermath show hundreds of people fleeing in panic as the gunfire continued. Around 40,000 people were attending the festival.
  • Some flights have resumed at the city’s McCarran International airport after all planes were temporarily grounded on Sunday evening

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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 09:41:52 am »
As of today, 50 people dead, 200+ injured, suspect is dead, 64 years old, and most importantly, white.

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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 01:46:58 pm »
It's probably terrible of me to think, but I'll admit that my first thought upon hearing this was "eh, this is America, these things happen".
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 01:58:54 pm »
I've never in my life been surprised to hear of a mass shooting. Even the one that was within 20 miles of me several years ago only made me raise an eyebrow.

It's what happens when you live in a country of gun nuts I guess.

I'd say my thoughts, good feelings, and all of that go to the victims but it doesn't make any difference.

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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2017, 02:31:57 pm »
And now Alex Jones and others are claiming that this was a false flag attack...
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2017, 02:39:07 pm »
And now Alex Jones and others are claiming that this was a false flag attack...

Of course they are.
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2017, 03:28:02 pm »
I just posted a rant about this on another forum (with far more right-wingers, so I expect significant disagreement), so I'm just going to repost it here...

At this point, it seems like the US treats mass shootings (Sandy Hook, Pulse, now Vegas...) as natural disasters.

When, of course, they're anything but.

Natural disasters happen. Sure, climate change is making some of them worse (hurricanes especially), but ultimately it's nature that's in charge of this place, and we're interlopers.

But the US has had two "worst shootings in US history" in two years now--Pulse and now Vegas. If the Vegas death toll doesn't ultimately exceed that of Breivik's murderous rampage, I don't think it'll be long before the US has a shooting topping that one.

But when these things are brought up, those who advocate for tighter gun regulations are told to shut up and not politicize the tragedy. IT'S NOT FUCKING POLITICAL ANY MORE. THESE ARE REAL LIVING, BREATHING, CONTRIBUTING PEOPLE DYING, AND IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE IN YOUR COUNTRY AT ANY TIME.

Even though a gigantic proportion of the public is in favour of tighter regulations (especially in the wake of these slaughters), Congress can't even pass the weakest bills. Even Heller and its ilk allow for some regulation--and for myself, I think those decisions were horrendous and I think the Second Amendment needs to hit the dustbin of history where it belongs (especially since the original purposes of it--precluding the need for a federal standing army and keeping slaves from escaping--are no longer relevant, since official slavery is gone and the federal government, for better or worse, maintains a standing army)--but Congress can't even pass what those decisions allow, never mind find the political balls to go further.

These are not natural disasters. These are entirely preventable events, and the fact that you can't do anything about them and just treat them as natural disasters is just one more reason why (other) developed countries look at the US and wish dearly that it weren't also considered a developed country.
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 04:49:11 pm »
Reminder: After the Pulse shooting, Chris Murphy had to fillibuster for 15 hours to get the Republicans in Congress to even agree to hold a vote in response to what was then the worst mass shooting in American history. And, of course, nothing came of it.
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2017, 05:37:31 pm »
And after Sandy Hook, Mitch McConnell bragged on Twitter about blocking (via the "virtual filibuster" ie the 60-vote threshold) gun regulations that an overwhelming majority of Americans supported. (It had majority support in the Senate, but didn't get to 60.)
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2017, 05:42:13 pm »
It's actually one of the things about America that looks the weirdest to foreign eyes. In Australia we also have street gangs, they get into large scuffles and yes you can get serious injuries and even deaths from street brawling but they aren't confused youngsters fucking about with pistols. Yes criminals still get access to guns but when local Hells Angel thug Christopher Hudson shot three he had his gang tattoos removed by an oxy torch for getting his homies into trouble. Yes, in Australia we also have unstable loners who plan mass shootings but they have to rely on home made weapons that are just as likely to explode in your hand.

Yes I know Australia is vastly different in terms in it's arrangement between the federal government and the states and it's entire legal framework and constitution, but the fact remains that it's ban on semi automatic weapons, brought in by a right wing Prime Minister who was the author of Australia's draconian asylum seeker policy kind of worked.

TL/DR we Aussies have exactly the same pimply faced gangsters, older saltier gangsters, butthurt abusive husbands, confused kids, Nazis and lonely weirdos that you guys do but after Howard and his ban on semi autos they've statistically done less damage to everybody else here.
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2017, 07:59:46 pm »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/massacre-las-vegas-1.4316852

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As President Donald Trump prepared to address Americans after the massacre/horrific carnage/charnel house/slaughter/mass murder (pick an overused term) in Las Vegas, mainstream cable TV anchors and reporters — using that somber, pained tone they all adopt on such occasions — seemed united on one subject: this is not a time for a "political conversation."

"Many people," observed CNN's John King in a particularly imbecilic TV moment, "have lost their ability to set politics aside and listen to the president and just be Americans."

Yes, indeed, chirped anchor Poppy Harlow, somberly. This is the time for the president to be the "comforter-in-chief." Everybody nodded.

Well, one suspects that if the shooter's name had been Mohammed, it would have been a different tune.
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2017, 09:13:54 pm »
If as a nation you have to rely on Donald fucking Trump to be a "comforter" in any capacity you are in dire straits indeed!

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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 11:33:35 pm »
"Comforter-in-chief". And Trump supporters call everyone else whiny puss bags.

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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 11:34:17 pm »
"Don't politicize!" Tell that to the assholes trying to paint the shooter as a liberal or a communist with zero evidence. That's politicizing. We're not politicizing. Saying we're fucking sick of these incidents and the useless platitudes that always follows should be common sense.
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Re: Mass shooting in Vegas
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 11:36:03 pm »
"Don't politicize!" Tell that to the assholes trying to paint the shooter as a liberal or a communist with zero evidence. That's politicizing. We're not politicizing. Saying we're fucking sick of these incidents and the useless platitudes that always follows should be common sense.

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